Obama Pivots Toward Fall Challenges

Analysis: Electoral Math Is In Democrat's Favor To Get Nomination, But The Formula Is About To Change

(CBS)  This analysis was written by CBSNews.com senior political editor Vaughn Ververs.

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Two candidates, two states and two different Democratic parties were on display in Kentucky and Oregon, the latest installment of the never-ending primary. As expected, the two brought in a split decision, with Hillary Clinton winning with a West Virginia-like margin in Kentucky and Barack Obama handily carrying Oregon.

To the extent the final outcome is in doubt, the race has now come down to a dispute about mathematical computations. But the numbers aren’t adding up for Hillary Clinton, and barring a totally unexpected and dramatic reversal of fortune, she’s not going to persuade those superdelegates that two plus two somehow equals five.

With just three more contests to go on the calendar, Obama has now wrapped up the majority of the pledged delegates at stake, according to the CBS News delegate count and is less than 80 total delegates away from securing the 2,026 total delegates needed to claim the nomination.

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Kentucky Results
Oregon Results

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Clinton, who seems to turn into a better candidate the longer her odds become, showed no inclination to even acknowledge the situation. She continues to argue that Obama’s math will change with the eventual inclusion of the disputed delegates in Florida and Michigan and points to her calculations to claim the popular vote lead.

Wherever the mathematical calculations fall in the end, Obama made it more crystal clear than ever that his focus is now on running a general election campaign. Appearing in Iowa rather than the site of his Oregon win, Obama wanted to symbolically wrap up this primary campaign where it began on January 3rd. As he and his campaign have done in recent weeks, Obama was careful to praise Clinton and avoid any hint that he wants her to exit.

But Obama spent his time laying out the driving theme of his launch into the fall campaign - change. “Change is coming to America,” Obama proclaimed, on issues from health care to taxes, education and the war in Iraq. “It is more of the same versus change,” is how he defined the choice between himself and John McCain. “It is the past versus the future. It has been asked and answered by generations before us, and now it is our turn to choose.”

Change may be what Obama wants to talk about but as the results in Kentucky made clear is there is no change in what is a clear problem for the front-runner. Just as in Pennsylvania, West Virginia and Ohio before, voters in the Bluegrass state delivered a message that must worry even the most enthusiastic Obama supporters.

Just a glance at who voted for Clinton in Kentucky and in what numbers: 72 percent of white voters; 70 percent of those with no college degree; 67 percent of those with incomes of $50,000 or less; 67 percent-plus of those voters over age 50; 240,000 more total votes. In a 35-point win, those margins are going to be large. In fact, Clinton won the majority of votes in nearly every single category measured by the exit polls. But it’s that coalition of women, whites, lower-educated, lower-income and older voters that have clung to Clinton even as the pundits declare her campaign over.

It’s a coalition she did best with in Oregon as well, but not nearly in the numbers she’s shown in the Rust Belt states she’s dominated. More telling - and chilling for those Democrats plotting general election stories - is what has become evident in those states surrounding the Ohio River Valley.

In Kentucky, 77 percent of those voting for Clinton said they would be dissatisfied with Obama as the Democratic nominee while just 21 percent said they would be satisfied. Forty-nine percent of Obama voters in Kentucky said they would be dissatisfied with Clinton as the nominee while 47 percent would be satisfied.

More worrisome, just 33 percent of Clinton voters in the Bluegrass State said they would back Obama in a general election. Forty two percent said they would support Republican John McCain and 23 percent said they would not vote in the fall. Seventy one percent of Obama voters said they would back Clinton in the fall should she win the nomination. Those are striking number and larger than were reported in West Virginia, Pennsylvania and Ohio but the trend has held throughout a crucial region of the country for November’s vote.

In Oregon, however, a majority of voters supporting both candidates said they would be satisfied with the other as the nominee. Fifty eight percent of Clinton voters there would be satisfied with Obama and 55 percent of his voters said they would be satisfied with Clinton. Sixty eight percent of Clinton’s supporters in Oregon said they would support Obama in the fall while 80 percent of his voters said they would back Clinton as the nominee.

Questions about those two very different results - whether a matter of race, economic outlook or fond memories of the Clinton presidency - will continue to dog Obama well into the fall campaign regardless of how unified the party becomes. Kentucky and West Virginia may not be crucial to Democrats in the general election but Pennsylvania and Ohio are.

The math may all be on Obama’s side in his quest for the Democratic nomination which is just within his grasp. But the equations will become much more complicated for the general election.

[luigi999-2009]

POOR, POOR HILLARY!

[pepperwood2]

That PO PO Hillary - Allison Kasic, a spokesman for the Independent Women''s Voice, says members of the "feminist establishment" are distressed that Hillary Clinton has struggled in her bid to win the Democratic presidential nomination because they believe they are entitled to a Clinton presidency.

The Boston Globe reports that prominent liberal feminists like Kim Gandy and Martha Burk are "vexed" by Senator Clinton''s (D-New York) failure to overtake rival Senator Barack Obama (D-Illinois), and that the former first lady is "threatened with losing the nomination to a man whose charismatic style and powerful rhetoric are trumping her decades of experience."

Hillary - " Obama cannot, must not & will not, win the presidency. It''s just not fair. This is suppose to be about me The Queen Bee. I don''t get mad, I get even. My feminazi friends will organize a vast left wing conspiracy against Obama. Our days of being less confrontational & devisive are over. CACKLE CACKLE CACKLE

[samthetvcat]

Hillary should have ran in 2004, back when she could have unloaded all her pent-up anger and aggression straight onto Bush and ALL of us who felt frustrated by his lies over Iraq could have lived vicariously through her on that message. Hillary needs somebody to bump up against to shine, and with Bush not in the running 2008 has become all about where we want to go not just about breaking free . . .

So much of life is about timing and luck . . . hopefully she won''t try to make we Democrats ''pay'' for not ''seeing'' that the Presidency was ''supposed to be'' hers :(

[avembe]

It ain''t over ''till..it''s over...i hope that Obama will reap the benefits of the astonishing work he and his team have done to bring people in the election process hether they are for or against him...My question is: With 20 millions in debt what makes HRC''s supporters think she will be able to manage the country''s finances...i mean i thought the economy was the biggest issue...Doesn''t that concern the way you run your money?So instead of payong back she''s "loaning" again and again??? Can an HRC fan explain?

[samthetvcat]

You think Hillary''s yet thought about where she''s headed next or is everybody still feeling like she still sees herself as President and isn''t going to let something like Barack winning the nomination and then the Presidency get in the way of her goal?

What''s with that . . . admirable or dysfunctional? After Gore ''lost'' he went on to raise awareness of the environmental crisis and won all that international acclaim (Nobel, Academy, Grammy, etc). Does Hillary have a larger purpose - is continuing to pursue the presidency (like in 2012, 2016) a larger purpose? If so are there other ways she could accomplish that purpose?

[samthetvcat]

PS Wow, that guy with the color-coordinated ''Hillary'' shirt was a real find . . . are one of those entertainment shows ever going to do a piece on him or what . . .

[mummblemouth]

''But it%u2019s that coalition of women, whites, lower-educated, lower-income and older voters that have clung to Clinton even as the pundits declare her campaign over.''

Jeez, and Sen. Clinton told me that sexism was the big divide in this campaign. Seems racism is not only at least equally rampant, but has been propagated by her campaign, and that any real sexism that exists is, again at least equally, on the side of the feminists who vote for her because she is a woman and not the best candidate for our next president.

[joe1022joe]

The entire notion that Barak Hussein Obama could actually become the President of the United States of America, the most powerful man onn the planet, clearly fits into the tendency toward suicide that dwells in the heart and mind of the Democratic Party. Stephenson in 1952 and 1956, McGovern in 1972, Ted Kennedy''s run against a sitting president (Carter) in 1980 certainly did not help him defeat Reagan, Dukakis in 1988. Barak Hussein Obama is just the Dems latest version in this legenthening list. They never seem to learn.

[jack3213]

Obama will allow McCain to win by winning Dem Nomination. It is so amazing and yet, so appealing. My appreciation America.

[jack3213]

I have read some of these posts and one in particular says: " I will vote for a woman for something new and fresh" Give me a break! Buy a piece of fruit if you want fresh- New? How about doing something differant for yourself and not depending on the President to make changes happen for you. Clinton has lost she is just a sore loser- Obama is NOT QUALIFIED. Sorry, folks, facts are facts

[jack3213]

MCCAIN HAS THE GUTS AND THE GUMPTION TO MAKE THE CHANGES WE ARE ALL LOOKING FOR.

THE DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS IS A FINE EXAMPLE OF PEOPLE WHO MAKE PROMISES THEY CAN''T KEEP.

[trishab4]

My question is: With 20 millions in debt what makes HRC''''s supporters think she will be able to manage the country''''s finances...i mean i thought the economy was the biggest issue...Doesn''''t that concern the way you run your money?So instead of payong back she''''s "loaning" again and again??? Can an HRC fan explain?
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Posted by Avembe at 03:40 AM : May 21, 2008

-Great question! If this is the model she intends on this Nation''s finances, I''d rather say, no thanks. If that is experience, well, no thanks we prefer inexperience with leadership. Hillary you''re just another sheep in the Big Interests'' hurd of public figures.

[panhandlpete]

HRC just won''t give up......maybe that''s a strong quality for a President. OR, maybe not, for the current one does not even know the words, "I made a mistake, I am wrong, I am sorry I lied, etc."

Take Obama''s reaction to the Wright episode....took him several weeks to separate his views from the reverend. A President needs quick resolve and this will come back to haunt him in the general campaign......that is, unless a new discovery is thrust into the media......which it most likely will be at a time when he won''t have time to recover.

Then, lo and behold, we will have MORE OF THE SAME, but with an OLD, HOT TEMPERED, FLIP FLOPPER ON ISSUES, and HUNDRED YEAR WAR MAN as the commander-in-chief.

The changes that are coming will be a direct result of the last eight years and the IRAQ/AFGHANISTAN WARS, and the INVASION across of our southern border of ILLEGALS. (The Senate votes today on SA4786, attached to Iraq Supplemental Spending, which grants 1.35 million ag workers and their families a visa for up to five years. The total number would be about 3 million.) BACKDOOR AMNESTY by Democrats!

[zorar-2009]

Do the Math for Tuesday night..
Hillary..KY & OR....695,615
Obama....KY & OR....540,909
..If Obama wins the nomination...it''''s fuzzy math
..Bush beats Gore....fuzzy math.
Wake up America the POWERS to BE pick the President..
not the peoples vote..there is no democracy.. it''''s like a house hold with teenagers... ruled by parent dictatorship!

[jack3213]

Obama''s efforts to have the media and his political opposition turn away from his wife''s remarks certainly finds greater motivation in his need for people not to realize that she is an arrogant, anti-American racist than it does in chivalry.

The more we listen to her, the more we think of Jeremy Wright and wonder how Obama could have spent 20 years with the man, called him his intellectual mentor and yet not have picked up on, let alone agreed with, some of the most vile hatred masquerading as theology that you are likely to find in America today.

Michelle Obama is a window to all of that, so "chivalry" requires that we ignore her (except of course if you are a mesmerized Obamiac, in which case listen and send in more donations).

[carjenbe]

Mr. Obama starring the newest Social Democratic Party''s production of the "The Emperor''s New Clothes". A man of no substance, no experience, no spine, no foresight, and no international savvy. If you elect him, you have to live with him and the increased social welfare, the increased taxes, seeing the US play host to Hammas, Iranian shieks, and all manner of deceitful communists from South America. You wanted Mr. Obama, you can have him.

[nolalou]

Hillary - " Obama cannot, must not & will not, win the presidency. It''''s just not fair. This is suppose to be about me The Queen Bee. I don''''t get mad, I get even. Posted by pepperwood2

That is an inaccurate and unfair portrayal of Hillary Clinton''s position. She has said repeatedly that she will support the party''s nominee. She has every right to run for the office, until she decides to get out of the race. When she does, she will support Obama! Your posting is full of hatred that is not deserved!

[mcvet]

Michelle Obama is a window to all of that, so "chivalry" requires that we ignore her (except of course if you are a mesmerized Obamiac, in which case listen and send in more donations).



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Posted by jack3213 at 08:54 AM : May 21, 2008
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Really? Is that why the Fascist Senator has asked the Klan Member running that ad in Tenn to pull it? ROFLMAO You freaks just keep it up... watch the Republican Party just fade into history... Fine with me! Sieg Heil Bush

[mcvet]

MCCAIN HAS THE GUTS AND THE GUMPTION TO MAKE THE CHANGES WE ARE ALL LOOKING FOR.

THE DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS IS A FINE EXAMPLE OF PEOPLE WHO MAKE PROMISES THEY CAN''''T KEEP.


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Posted by jack3213 at 07:44 AM : May 21, 2008
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NO the Congress is proof that ONE party, the Republican Party completely IGNORES the wishes of WE the PEOPLE. We went to the Polls in 06. We sent a CLEAR message to the Republican''s by taking as many of them out of power as possible. That message? The War based on LIES should be ended. THEY, the Republican Party and it''s Fuhrer choose to ignore the people. There is a PRICE to be paid for that.... It''s already being felt by the NAZI''s (NEOCON''s). Now let the fuhrer know you are spreading the Nazi Spin here!! Sieg Heil Bush

[mcvet]

I have a deep faith in the People of this country. I believe they can and will overcome the hate and fear. I believe that is shown in the numbers for the Fascist Canidate. With all the fighting in the Democrat Party, with all the free ride the press has given him, Senator McSame has YET to get out of the 40% bracket. Has YET to lead for any period of time in ANY national poll. Obama can and will overcome the hate and fear... the Klan, the Racist and the Mud Slingers will aid him in doing that. Sieg Heil Bush

[jack3213]

Big Money controls the Media. There is no way they want an Average American to become president. The last common man to be elected in America was Abraham Lincoln. Need I say more.? Obama is controlled by big money. Even Warren Buffet just endored him. Think about it. That is not to say that Hillary isn''''t in the pocket of Big Money. She and Bill make $42,000 per day. As does McCain. But, if Obama is President, you will see him dictate his failed policies on the American people. Are the American People aware that their Democracy has been hijacked by Elitists like Obama?

If this Nation has a chance to better itself, it had better wake up to fact that No Leftist will solve America''''s problems.

[jack3213]

Posted by MCVet said "NO the Congress is proof that ONE party, the Republican Party completely IGNORES the wishes of WE the PEOPLE"

CONGRESS IS DEMOCRATIC, YOU A--.

[sleepyric]

John McCain is a fraud. Blocked access to records of POW families so as to keep his records sealed and secret. If you don''t believe me, go research it. His whole career has been built on being a POW. Other POWs tell his tale. Go research it. There are indisputable facts there.

[jack3213]

CONGRESS HAS NOT DONE THEIR JOB- THEY HAVE MADE PROMISES AND THEY ARE DISTINCTIVE FAILURES- THEY ARE DEMOCRATS.

[redlipsahead]

OBAMA CANT BEAT MCCAIN.

OBAMA GETS 92% OF BLACK VOTE. PROBABLY RACIST VOTERS.

HILLARY IS NOT DONE.

SUPER-DELEGATES CAN CHANGE THEIR MIND AND ENDORSEMENT.

IT''''S GOING TO THE CONVENTION TO BE DECIDED.

HILLARY IS THE ONLY CHOICE FOR A CHANGED AMERICA.

OBAMA WOULDN''''T GET THE WHITE VOTE V.S. MCCAIN.

MAJORITY OF HILLARY SUPPORTERS WILL NOT SUPPORT OBAMA.

HILLARY WILL WIN THE POPULAR VOTE IN THE END.

HILLARY WINS FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN.

HILLARY IS THE REALISTIC CHOICE FOR PRESIDENT.

HILLARY HAS WON MORE STATES SINCE FEBRUARY.

HILLARY HAS MORE VOTES SINCE FEBRUARY.

HILLARY IS THE RIGHT CHOICE FOR AMERICA.

[jack3213]

sleepyric good try- no sell- Mccain is not a fraud- and anything you say about the man is simply disrespectful.

[jack3213]

HEY redlipsahead: YOU ARE SOOOOOO DELUSIONAL. LMAO.

[abbe91]

"sleepyric good try- no sell- Mccain is not a fraud- and anything you say about the man is simply disrespectful.

Posted by jack3213 at 10:29 AM : May 21, 2008"

Listen to McCain''s friends then ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTHPMtNyn_8

Life according to DemoBrats:

I want free health insurance: What! you''''re going to raise my taxes?

I want to increase tax on big business: What! Good and Services are going up?

I want unions in control of workers: What! All the jobs are moving overseas?

I want to enforce stronger EPA regulations. What! I can''''t drive my SUV anymore?

I want my government to protect me and make me safe. What! The government is actually spying on the terrorist and listening in on cell phones!

and the list goes on.......

[sleepyric]

see the video for yourself....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CazKanlYDg&feature=related

[sleepyric]

here''s another:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBiti-ZbeO0

and another:

http://www.youtube.com/user/VETSAGAINSTMCCAIN

these people aren''t actors..
decide for yourself...

[max0010]

Obama%u2019s campaign says the staggering numbers that Clinton received in West Virginia and Kentucky %u201Caren%u2019t meaningful%u201D because Obama spent very little time in West Virginia or Kentucky and they say when he does campaign the numbers will move up accordingly. Unsound. His campaign spent HEAVILY and advertised HEAVILY in OREGON---remember the crowds 75,000 at one location---in our faces on the news, yet he only managed to TIE Clinton with the white collar workers and the college crowd. This should be sending a SUPER MESSAGE to the DNC unless they want a candidate that is going to LOSE the Election in NOVEMBER.

The DNC is counting on Hillary%u2019s followers to go to Obama but they will not! They will not follow this man who is deceiving the country. The feelings are strong and growing stronger by the day. Barack Hussein Obama will fail in the November Election and it is a sure thing.

[ksh1022]

Hillary should be the nominee. She has won more votes since February when the media started giving us a glimpse of the real Obama. I will not vote for Obama in the general if he is the nominee. He is too far left and too inexperienced. He is all talk and no action. Hillary is stronger, smarter, more capable and more accomplished.

[blackalot]

WHAT THE CLINTON HILL"BILL"IES DONT UNDERSTAND IS THAT BY HER AND HER SUPPORTERS NOT VOTING THIS ONE YEAR FOR THE BLACK DEMCRATE CANDIDATE, THEY WILL LOOSE ALL THE BLACK VOTE (25% OF THE ENTIRE PARTY)FOR EVER! THE WORLD DOESNT HATE AMERICA! THE WORLD HATES WHITE AMERIKKKA! DO YOU THINK THE SAUDIS WOULD HAVE TOLD OBAMA NO TO PRODUCING MORE OIL LIKE THEY TOLD BUSH AND WILL TELL MCCAIN? 99.9% OF THE DEATHS IN 9/11 WHERE WHITEBOYS! 99.9% OF THE DEATHS IN THIS WAR ARE WHITEBOYS! LIKE I SAID. THE DOESNT HATE AMERICA. THEY HAD WHITE AMERIKKKA! THAT IS WHY THE U.N. IS DOING A STUDY ON RACE JUST BEFORE THE FALL FALL ELECTION. WAKE UP!

[DaveGress]

ksh1022 - hillary couldn''t even keep her man happy how does she think she''ll keep this country happy? She the wrong woman for the job. Right-wing conspiracy my-***.

[aldon61]

jack3213: You''re absolutely right, congress at present is a majority of democrats. However, they do not have a "veto proof" majority. Legislation that they have passed has largely been veto''d by the brush. What is needed is for voters to futher expand the democratic majority, then even if McSame is elected, he can do no harm. McVet:, I''m bowing out of this site today, keep''em in line, will ya?

[drputt45]

There are three running for Prez and soon there will be two. Is there a choice on the ballot for "None of the Above?" I am not sure I want any of these people running the country I live in.

Where are all the honest people that really care about the USA? They are not in politics because they can''t stand the tactics used to repay supporters and lobbyist. So we are stuck with this pitiful selection.

[blackalot]

just imagine how much more the world will hate white amerikkka. i served in the Army and i really dont think that we understand how much our image can help or hurt us. do you really think that the saudis would have told obama no.

[blackalot]

AS A BLACK MAN, I SEE HOW UPSET WHITES ARE BUT REMEMBER THE ENTIRE WORLD IS WATCHING YOU AND THE AMOUNT OF RACISM THAT AMERIKKKA HAS WILL DISTROY YOUR CONTRY. IT REALLY IS A WIN/WIN FOR ALL AMERICAN BLACKS!

[sgtrds-e4]

Once the national media stops concentrating on the Democratic nomination and turns it''s attention to John McCain he''ll crumple like a cheap suit. All he offers is more the same policies that Bush has scr*ewed us over with and he''s tied himself too closely with him to ever get anyone reasonable to believe he''s his own man. The Democratic ticket will be headed by Barack and he''ll be running against a ticket of McCain/Bush.

[pepperp1]

hey sweetie again dont pick out the drapes...

[pvperson]

Life according to RepubliThugs:

I don''t want health insurance: What! you''''''''re giving my taxes to Iraq?

I don''t want to increase tax on big business: What! Exxon and Mobil posted record gains again?

I don''t want unions: What! All the jobs are moving overseas?

I don''t believe in Global Warming. What! The earth isn''t flat?

I don''t expect my government to protect me or my country. What! The government is actually spying on Americans and listening in on cell phones!

and the list goes on.......

[lasurfgrl]

The media says only college people or people of worth are voting for obama. Obama has loved a man for 20 years who has said and shown that he hates America. Farrakhan said obama was like Islams first leader. Oil barons like the Rockefellers who steal our money at the pumps are backing him. Why? He was on a foundation whose past people bombed fed. buildings.
The military backs Hillary, ask why they believe in her?She tells you her plans and how she will accomplish them. All obama says is what he will do, not how he will do it. I question the Dem. party becoming communistic. You have to put your first allegiance to america & not a party.Come Nov. I will vote in spite of hard times, for someone who loves america that won''t be Obama.

[lasurfgrl]

Everyone is assuming that those of us for Hillary will come on board if Obama gets the nomination. They believe that because she would back Obama if he got if over her that we would too, but they are assuming way too much. They assume that because of hard economic times we would rather put a racist, in office over one who isn''t. They assume that we will forgive how they shunned us and what we wanted. I question their love for America. They are the uneducated ones.

[blackalot]

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[lasurfgrl]

I call into question those delegates that have voted for Obama & their patriotism & their lack of love for America. They want a person that has been on a board of terrorists that bombed fed. buildings & has hung out with & loved a man who says America got what she deserved when we were bombed, who has money given to him for his campaign from oil barons, the same ones that are taking our money at the pumps, and a person like Farrakhan who says Israel is a dirty word and hates white people
These are the people who are voting for Obama. They don''t sound that educated to me and they sound as though they are not Americans at all. Obama has close relationships with people who clearly have said and shown they hate America. So why is he running for office. I suggest it is because of the power our America can give to him and for no other reason. My first allegiance is to America and not to a party. Even in poverty I would rather choose someone who loves America than someone like Obama. You all need to choose where your allegiance lies? Do you care about your party more than your nation? Or will do what is right rather than say "well, my party wants this so..." your first allegiance must be to your country and that country deserves to have someone running it who truly loves America. Someone who truly loves america would not hang out with people who truly show their hatred by word and deed for America.

[undermyboot]

Once the national media stops concentrating on the Democratic nomination and turns it''''s attention to John McCain he''''ll crumple like a cheap suit.
Posted by SgtRDS-E4 at 12:23 PM : May 21, 2008
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NOT! The Murdoch-owned media is dominating the direction of media coverage in all major markets and on cable, as the far-right propaganda machine gobbles up more and more media outlets. Second: the MSM has been cowed and castrated into supporting the far-right agenda. No mention of the McCain scandals and his whacked-out far-right supporters will show up. The fix is in and the media- all of it- will make sure McCain is elected.

[pepperwood2]

Sources with direct knowledge of the conversation between Sen. Clinton and Gov. Bill Richardson, D-N.M., prior to the Governor''s endorsement of Obama say she told him flatly, "He cannot win, Bill. He cannot win."

Don''t you see, Bill - It''s not fair, I''m the Queen Bee & It''s suppose to be all about me. THIS is a VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY. I''m just not warming up. I''m in it to win it. I flatly dare you to support him. I don''t get mad I get even. Just so you know The feminists are all behind me and we will stop at nothing to further divide the Democratic Party just to keep that boy from winning the presidential election. Make sure you send ME the Money, Tide, & Tithes.

Richardson, who served in President Clinton''s cabinet, disagreed.

[ranakarimi]

hold on ! not too fast! let me just say in behalf of millions of hard working american women( or as called by obama supporters under educated base of party!) if Hillary is not on the ticket then we will punish our party and hand the presidency to republican just wait and see

[sgtrds-e4]

if Hillary is not on the ticket then we will punish our party and hand the presidency to republican just wait and see

Posted by ranakarimi at 02:15 PM : May 21, 2008

Yeah yeah yeah yada yada yada.