Clinton-Obama Grudges Linger

Washington Post: Divisive Battle Threatens To Leave Bitterness That Could Hurt The Winner In The General Election

(Washingtonpost.com)  This story was written by Krissah Williams.

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Lifelong Democrat Kathleen Cowley watches with disdain as huge crowds hang on Sen. Barack Obama's every word. She dismisses Obama's "intolerable logic." She turns the channel on pundits who chalk up Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's primary victories to little more than racism. And she doesn't much care for the notion that while Obama is fresh and inspiring, Clinton is, by implication, old and mean.

"There's just been an attitude that if you aren't voting for Barack Obama, then you're a racist," said Cowley, 49, a mother of four from Massachusetts who has vowed to never back the senator from Illinois. "I just find that intolerable. I feel like when the members of the media talk about how [Obama's supporters] would react, they say, 'Well, we can't take the vote away from African Americans.' Well, excuse me, there's a higher percentage of women."

A Democratic race that a couple of months ago was celebrated as a march toward history -- the chance to nominate the nation's first woman or African American as a major-party candidate -- threatens to leave lingering bitterness, especially among Clinton supporters, whose candidate is running out of ways to win.

Some women, like Cowley, complain that Clinton has been disrespected and mistreated by the media and the political establishment. Many see Obama as equally condescending, dismissing Clinton's foreign policy role as first lady, pulling out her chair for her at debates and suggesting offhand during one debate that she was "likable enough."

"The sexist crap that comes out of people's mouths is really scary to me," said Amilyn Lanning, 38, a Zionsville, Pa., voter who supported Clinton in last month's primary. "There's a lot of the b-word being thrown about, even in jest by comedians. There's a lot of comments made about her pantsuits, and the way she dresses. There's a viciousness."

With equal ire, many African Americans complain about Clinton's negativity and have accused her camp of using Obama's race against him. Her comment that his "support among working, hardworking Americans, white Americans, is weakening again" was just the latest in a series of over-the-line comments, some said.

And many among the legions of young voters who have flocked to Obama say their enthusiasm is more about him than about the Democratic Party and it would not necessarily transfer to Clinton if she won the nomination. In Indiana, about six in 10 Obama voters under age 30 said they will be dissatisfied if Clinton is the nominee and about half said the same in North Carolina, according to exit polls.

Nationally, about a quarter of Clinton supporters in a Washington Post-ABC News poll said that if she loses they will ditch the Democratic Party and Obama for Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.). A similar number of Obama backers said they will pick the Republican this fall if Clinton becomes the nominee. In both Indiana and North Carolina, majorities of African American voters said they will be unhappy if Clinton is at the top of the ticket.

Acutely aware of these dynamics, the campaigns have sought to balance tactics against tact, so that the rift between the two Democrats -- and their backers -- doesn't grow so wide that the winner can't pull the party back together. Since the May 6 contests in Indiana and North Carolina, Obama has tried to ease much of the animosity by turning his attention to McCain, highlighting differences with Clinton only in responseto voters or the news media. Clinton has also shifted some of her strategy, running positive ads in West Virginia rather than the negative ones she aired in previous states.

Put together, Clinton's coalition of women and working-class white voters along with Obama's alliance of African Americans and young voters could be a potentially unstoppable Democratic force in the fall. But, at least for now, many on both sides said they have been too put off and have become too embittered to pull together for the party if their candidate isn't on the ballot.

To Veronica Tonay, 48, a psychology professor at the University of California at Santa Cruz and a Clinton supporter, Obama has become a pop star, the contestant on "American Idol" who wins votes because he's cute, while the best singer is eliminated.

"We are electing the leader of the free world, and that person has a finger on the nuclear launch code," she said. "It's not about likability." Her stance was cemented when a young woman in one of her classes declared that she wouldn't vote for Clinton because "she is not a beautiful woman."

If Obama is the nominee, Tonay said, McCain will be just fine with her. "In the end, I won't vote for Obama because I don't know who he is, and I don't trust him," she said. "If McCain gets in, he would have a weak presidency, and we would have a Democratic Congress anyway. Obama could do more damage."

Divisive primary fights followed by a period of kissing and making up are something of a ritual in presidential campaigns. It happened in 1860, when Abraham Lincoln brought his three challengers for the Republican nomination into his Cabinet. One hundred years later, John F. Kennedy won the Democratic nomination and avoided an intraparty feud by picking Lyndon B. Johnson as his running mate, though in the late stages of the primaries they had been fierce rivals.

In this year's Republican race, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney became an active supporter of McCain after the two campaigned against each other with open antipathy. Romney is now thought to have an outside chance of being McCain's running mate.

But the Obama-Clinton fight has gone on so long and the ill will has become so intense that even if the candidates can heal the party, as both have vowed to do, they will have to spend critical campaign time dealing with those wounds rather than taking on McCain.

"You can't afford to leak away all of these Democrats come November," said David Paleologos, director of the Suffolk University Political Research Center in Boston. The Democratic nominee "will have to spend weeks solidifying the base," he said. ". . . Now you're cutting into the time you have to begin making the case to independents, because first you've got to take care of business at home."

Patricia Sparrow, 53, said there's nothing Clinton could do to win her over. She changed her registration from Republican to Democrat this year to cast her ballot for Obama after her son started talking about him. But she said a Clinton-McCain matchup in November would send her back to her old party -- even though she disagrees with McCain's position on Iraq -- because she finds Clinton so divisive.

"With Hillary Clinton, it's politics as usual -- old-school backbiting. I have no use for [her]," said Sparrow, who runs a soup kitchen near her home in Norfolk, Mass. I would probably vote for McCain even though I don't want to. . . . I would hope he would be swayed by public opinion on the war."

There may not be enough time to win over Cowley, who calls Clinton "brilliant" and has spent two hours a day for the last three months calling voters to talk about Clinton's health-care plan, her experience and her plan to end the war in Iraq.

"In my heart I just can't bring myself to [vote for Obama], and I feel like a schlep," she said. "I'm not going to be voting for him, and it irritates me. Nobody's concerned about the women. I don't think I can vote for McCain. I guess I'll have to sit it out."

Polling director Jon Cohen contributed to this report.

[dotindixie]

GRUDGE? I don''t have a grudge against Obama; He scares the f---ing sh-- out of me.

I wish he''d just melt, or something.

[ubrew12]

I voted for Clinton but have no problem voting for Obama. There''s no voter controversy just because CBS news says there''s one. My opinion is the Dems suffer from an embarrasment of riches, TWO wonderfully qualified candidates (actually THREE, I wish Edwards was the nominee, but he dropped out. Actually Four, Kucinich was the best candidate). Anyway...

[abbe91]

Posted by ubrew12 at 09:58 AM : May 19, 2008

On the other side, look what the GOP has come with ...

[krisellyn]

It was weird reading all those women talking about why they were angry and wouldn''t vote for Obama. I feel exactly the same way. If Obama 2008, then Clinton 2012!

[broadwayphi]

This nomination has brought out dormant racism and sexism. To change one''s vote based on that represents political immuturity -- at least -- and dooms any hope of progressive victory in the fall.

[jack3213]

''Well, we can''t take the vote away from African Americans.'' Well, excuse me, there''s a higher percentage of women."

BUT IS OK TO REVERSE DISCRIMINATE?! PLEASE- HYPOCRITS ARE SO ANNOYING.

[notopennshut]

As an older woman, I am insulted that the media often portrays us as Clinton supporters only. I fear for our gender because Hillary reminds me of the one vicious neigborhood lady who would stop at nothing, regardless of the consequences. There are many many of us "older" women who do not support her and the way she and her husband have run her campaign. She is in fact doing a disservice to all women, confirming a stereotype of what we are often portrayed as. How can that help our cause? Many women have been leaders, although not president and she has actually set us back by what she has stood for in these last months. Is it any wonder that an important women''s organization had come out in support of Obama? Often,people tend to blame others for the lack of supportfor Hillary instead of asking themselves why she has lost this support when she was anointed the "inevitable". Hillary must blame herself for this because she has shown that she is a divider. No one disputes that she is an extremely smart and tough woman, but her tactics are just the kind that turns people off. We should not live in a time warp where we should support one solely based on color and gender. A sign of true character is when one accepts blame for what one does wrong rather than blame the other party for all your failures. She must accept the blame as well as accolades, not because she is a woman, but a decent human being.

[jpmichigan]

As an American voter, I do my homework and check up on each candidate. An educated voter is the best voter, look at all the facts, then choose which one that you feel best meets your needs. Obama has little to no experience, no matter how hard they try to build him up. His 8 years in the Illinois house, he can just call one of those years where he actually did some work. To promote him on his way to the US Senate. There he did little to nothing. He chaired an important NATO committee, but never held one meeting. His associations are much to be desired, half in jail ,some should be in jail and others will probably end up in jail. He is a smooth talker and has an arrogance about him , where he feels an entitlement to the Presidency. I support Hillary . She has experience, strength, substance, and we know the good, bad and ugly of the Clinton''s. For years the media has had a field day with them. McCain is maverick. He has involved both sides of the aisle. He is an experience, strong and honorable man. So, if it is not Clinton, it surely will be McCain over Obama.

[ubrew12]

jpmichigan said: "if it is not Clinton, it surely will be McCain over Obama."
Well THAT is just puzzling. I also think McCain is an honorable candidate, but there''s no question he wants to make Bush''s tax cuts permanent and would continue the Iraq War. That''s like saying he doesn''t think our $9.5 trillion debt is a problem that''s impacting our economy, and that the Iraq war is a just war!! Just on those two, vital issues, a vote for McCain is a vote for McSame. Yet, its clear that under Obama/Hillary/Edwards/whoever, radically different (and urgently important) responses to these two issues would be forthcoming.

Maybe I just vote for parties, while you vote for people. All the candidates seem honorable to me. But if you vote for McSame for another four years, this country is headed to fiscal catastrophe, drowned in debt and still fighting demons of OUR OWN MAKING in the Middle East. And by the time McSame leaves office, the first of the Baby Boomers will start drawing SocSec into the red, at which point trying to bring America back to a first class economy will be almost impossible.

[craigh9]

The political views and potential policies of Obama and Clinton are very similiar while those of McCain are significantly different from the democratic candidates. ANYONE, who would vote for McCain simply because their favored candidate did not receive the nomination comes from only one of two standpoints. They ONLY supported the candidate because they were a woman or black - OR - the will never vote for a woman or a black. Otherwise, there is absoutely no locigal reasoning as to why they would leave the political ideology behind and support such a radically different candidate.

[demtotheend]

I am a big Obama supporter but I would have voted for Clinton without a doubt had she been the nominee. I don''t understand how so many Democrats can say they would vote for McCain over the other Democrat, when Clinton and Obama are so similar on the issues.

[jack3213]

demtotheend- YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NOT DONE YOUR HOMEWORK- THEY ARE SO DIFFERANT ON ISSUES AND YET THEY ARE IN THE SAME PARTY- CLINTON IS MORE LIKE MCCAIN THAN OBAMA. AND, YES, SHE SHOULD TAKE THE BLAME OR THE ACULADES LIKE THE NEXT ONE- BUT WHEN HAVE WE HEARD HER ADMITTANCE OF ANYTHING SHE HAS DONE WRONG? OR- OF ANYTHING SHE HAS DONE YET TO PROVE SHE IS A LEADER? OBAMA HAS NOT DONE ANYTHING EITHER.

[domans666]

its either Hillary or McCain comes November that i will vote for. Why? because for one simple reason, i don''t want the White House to be named the Black House if Barrack wins the presidential race. hehehehe

[justinlz]

I think Hillary is controlled by some super rich group. Before, she is a very charming and able first lady although a little bit like an actress; However, since she becomes the New York Senator, she seems too much different from past.

Her strategy is totally wrong and just focusd to destroy her colleague''s race rather than how to win her own race. I prefer to believe what Richarson said, the people are arround her is not good and just want to get gains for themselves.

[neonink]

I don''t have a grudge, I''m just bitter....

"We can''t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK," Obama said.

"That''s not leadership. That''s not going to happen," he added.


~~~ You fruitloops need to listen to what he is saying.

[rowdytexan2]

am a big Obama supporter but I would have voted for Clinton without a doubt had she been the nominee. I don''''t understand how so many Democrats can say they would vote for McCain over the other Democrat, when Clinton and Obama are so similar on the issues.


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Posted by demtotheend at 11:19 AM : May 19, 2008

Bull! If you''d believed in Hillary''s programs, you''d have voted for her anyway. To come back and say you''d vote for her now that she''s been slam dunked just doesn''t cut it.

[sblake63]

LOL we have heard from their own mouths "they are the party of unity". They have called the GOP the party of "division". Haha @ that. McCain is going to win folks face it!. The blue collar "workin" man (as proved in PY" will not bring him self to vote for Obama. Call it racism - call it what ever you will.

This is energizing us "religious" right folks as we sit back and watch the ones who call us "hate mongers" express such HATE lol. McCain needs to spend very little cash on campaign ads.. Hillary and Obama have done his work for him. GOP in 2008. Hey cry babies I have article for ya that states Europe is facing a shortage of skilled workers are and offering temporary or permanent visa to Americans who want to come over and fill those vacant slots. So when McCain comes into power, you don%u2019t have to stay here in this "intolerant" nation.

Feel free to take them up on their offer, because I''m sure sick of your whining over so called perceived "social injustice" in this nation. Do us all a favor and GTFU !

Go McCain 2008!

[neonink]

The republicans have been too far right.

Now the democrats are going too far left.

[bloogirl-2009]

I HAVE TO AGREE - THE MEDIA AND SOME OF THE OTHER TALKING HEADS HAVE DECLARED O''MAMA THE WINNER AND IT AIN''T OVER YET AND YES I WILL ALSO SHOW MY DISPLEASURE AT THE POLLS. THE DNC HAD SIT UP AND TAKE NOTICE AND LISTEN TO WHAT PEOLE ARE SAYING. WE WILL NOT VOTE FOR HIM!!!! HE IS INEXPERIENCED; I QUESTION HIS PATRIOTISM; HIS CHRISTIANITY AMONG OTHER THINGS.

[neonink]

fenner,

Obama done in the past?

What exactly has he done except write not LESS THAN 2 self-adorned anti-white autobiographies.

other than that, give the guy a cookie because a black man can actually graduate from college. Big deal.

[tack1234]

I sincerely don''t think that it is "sour grapes" that is propelling Clinton supporters to vote for McCain. I, one that will vote for McCain if Obama is nominated, will vote simply because of Obama''s lack of experience. This country can not afford a leader without experience. You can spin it any way that you want. I does sadden me that 90% or greater AA vote for a particular candidate, I thought that we were past that, but that percentage does polarize other voters.
Also, I hear on a lot of blogs that you shouldn''t go against the popular vote......isn''t that what Kennedy and Kerry did to the voters in their own state-they sold them out! If you have followed this election closely you can tell that the "establishment" is for Obama AND instead of having a brokered convention, we are having a brokered pre-convention. That is what is happening now!
We know very little about Obama and his vision; just because Obama says so doesn''t mean it is so. He is a politician and doesn''t have the years in public view that Clinton or McCain have so that we can rely on past achievements/disappointments to make an educated vote.
I am not one to jump on a bandwagon or fad. Obama "may" be a wonderful candidate just not in ''08, he needs to build a resume.

I am a Democrat and have always been a Democrat but will cross lines and vote for McCain in the general.

[zavatchen]

Wake up! WOMEN are the core of the Democratic Party no matter the color.

[suzyku]

These people who say they''ll vote for McCain if Obama wins the nomination are fools! Hillary does NOT have more experience, sleeping in the White House next to the President does not allow her to claim more experience! She has run one of the nastiest, most negative and misleading campaigns since Karl Rove hoodwinked the public into voting for dubya! She has made racist, sexist comments, has whined and complained throughout. As a woman, I wouldn''t vote for her, she''s the wrong woman at the right time. She has proven herself to be nasty and will say/do anything to win, it''s about HER, HER, HER, not us!!!!!!!

[neonink]

Oh. And I forgot. He voted to charge a homeowner in with a crime for defending himself.



In 2004, Hale DeMar a homeowner in a north suburb of Chicago was charged for violating a state law that required firearm owners to have a valid Firearm Owner''s Identification card. He was also charged with possession of a handgun.

DeMar was arrested after he shot Mario Billings, a criminal with a long history. At the time he was shot he was breaking into DeMar''s home. DeMar shot at Billings four times, hitting him twice. He fled the scene and was later arrested at an area hospital. Incidently, he drove DeMar''s vehicle to the hospital. You see he had stolen the vehicle from DeMar''s house the night before, when he had broke in the first time.

As a result of this shooting, the State Legislature passed a law making it legal to use a handgun in self-defense in your own home. State Senator Barack Obama voted against it.

[old300d]

It will take longer than 20 weeks to heal. Much longer. Obama has split the Dem party maybe for years.

At least people are now checking out Black Liberation Theology and Rev. Wright and such.

We need to talk about these things ! ! !

[tack1234]

Can someone post the DNC''s contact information so that we can email them and get our voiced heard!

[johngaltwho]

It really is a shame that in their disappointment, so many Clinton supporters plan to exact revenge on Obama for defeating Hillary in the primary process. He clearly won through broader appeal, better planning and organization and she didn''t lose because of racism or sexism or any ism; she made some critical mistakes and well, she lost. She underestimated Obama, the importance of the caucus states and ironically didn''t plan a campaign that ran until every state had voted but engineered a strategy based on her belief that she would have it won on Super Tuesday. Talk about the expression - "cut off your nose to spite your face" - Voting for McCain would be a silly thing for most people who supported Hillary on the basis of issues. However, if they really were voting exclusively because she is female, then they may cynically and in a private display of shallow cynicism choose to sit out the election but its hard to fathom why they would support McCain. Believe me, if she had to run against McCain in a primary, you would have appreciated how professional and respectful Obama''s campaign has been.

[tack1234]

Can someone post the DNC''''s contact information so that we can email them and get our voiced heard!

[old300d]

Hi JohnGaltWho ,

McCain is closer to a middle of the road Dem than Obama is.

[neonink]

learn the term wealth re-distribution.

because Wright/Michelle/Barry already know it.

[credibility2]

Why is just Clinton accused of being racist and bigoted when speaking the truth? Why is Obama given yet another pass on his racist and bigoted comments, inferences and innuendos? Obama is being given repeated passes because of his mixed race and his gender. Clinton has routinely been discredited and villified because of her gender, her experience, her strength, her character, her resolve, and her name. An interesting article on how the media has especially portrayed Clinton, even to the extent of wishing her death by the likes of Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann and Jack Cafferty, is a must-read for truly intelligent and enlightened individuals. The article appears in the Arts & Entertainment section of the May 18th edition of the Chicago Tribune. Using history and liturature, it underscores how strong women are repeatedly villified, hated, feared, and wished dead by their detractors. Hillary Clinton is no different. What is disturbing and frightening is that those assailing Hillary Clinton actually view it as normal, ingenious, witty, worthy and credible treatment of her. It is more than blatant sexism, it is a wish for ultimate harm to her persona, death. It is also a deep-seeded hatred for women by insecure, threatened, and fearful ignorant, misguided, and psychologically disturbed men and women.

[old300d]

Dems for McCain ! ! !

[neonink]

love my country more than my party.

but thanks anyway.

[craigh9]

Nothing but racist babble today, go ahead vote for Bush III versus Obama and a chance for change - then see how you feel looking in the mirror for the next 4 years!!

[tonyd_31]

I would like to meet your sorry aZZ otracymorgan. I bet you will cower like the senseless, in-bred, *** that you are.

[thisandthat1]

I see all the moron Obama haters are on here today ..... I guess their KKK meetings must have been cancelled due to rain.

[johngaltwho]

old300d:

That may be so but Obama is alot closer to Hillary than McCain is. I''m an independent so this is a nice election year from my standpoint. McCain is way better than I expected from the Republicans as is something of a centrist but I think Obama would be a refreshing and important change in this country and will serve to clean up the political mischief wrought by Bush. Any year where the religious right doesn''t have absolute power is a good one from my standpoint. Now, while it may be the case that the US is ready for a woman president, perhaps an African-American, it will take Armageddon till we can get an atheist elected.

[perceptions5]

Hillary should be the nominee.

If the DNC (Howard Dean) had the same rules as the GOP then Hillary would have been the Dem nominee on Super Tuesday.

I don''t think any American should support a "party" that really doesn''t "count all the votes".

How could the Democrats ignore the votes from Americans living in Florida and Michigan?

With a race this close, how can the DNC not count Florida and Michigan.

And what should the voters of these two state do in November?

Will it be their turn to ignore the Democrat Party?

Thoughts...........??????

[credibility2]

Why is just Clinton accused of being racist and bigoted when speaking the truth? Why is Obama given yet another pass on his racist and bigoted comments, inferences and innuendos? Obama is being given repeated passes because of his mixed race and his gender. Clinton has routinely been discredited and villified because of her gender, her experience, her strength, her character, her resolve, and her name. An interesting article on how the media has especially portrayed Clinton, even to the extent of wishing her death by the likes of Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann and Jack Cafferty, is a must-read for truly intelligent and enlightened individuals. The article appears in the Arts & Entertainment section of the May 18th edition of the Chicago Tribune. Using history and liturature, it underscores how strong women are repeatedly villified, hated, feared, and wished dead by their detractors. Hillary Clinton is no different. What is disturbing and frightening is that those assailing Hillary Clinton actually view it as normal, ingenious, witty, worthy and credible treatment of her. It is more than blatant sexism, it is a wish for ultimate harm to her persona, death. It is also a deep-seeded hatred for women by insecure, threatened, and fearful ignorant, misguided, and psychologically disturbed men and women.

[old300d]

Hi craigh9 ,

If comparing Bush to McCain is all ya''ll got then you are in real trouble ! ! !

[tack1234]

"It really is a shame that in their disappointment, so many Clinton supporters plan to exact revenge on Obama for defeating Hillary in the primary process. He clearly won through broader appeal, better planning and organization and she didn''''t lose because of racism or sexism or any ism;"



That is SO NOT TRUE!!!!!
I am not voting for McCain in the general because of disappointment, I am voting for his experience and record.

I don''t trust Obama. I am cynical and just because someone tells me something doesn''t mean I believe it.
How can you Obama supporters really know what he''s about? Do you really know him? or are you just believing what you read and hear in the media.
He just hasn''t been on the political scene enough to know what he''s about and America needs a proven leader NOW!

[perceptions5]

Nothing but racist babble today, go ahead vote for Bush III versus Obama and a chance for change - then see how you feel looking in the mirror for the next 4 years!!
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criagh9, that''s what the poor people are saying in Obama old district, the south-side of Chicago.

Where the National Guard has been deployed to stop all the shootings and dozens of deaths in the past few weeks.

Obama has NO RECORD of accomplishments and if he thinks he can give us just "sermons" then I''m afraid he''s done.

[hungry1968]

If the DNC (Howard Dean) had the same rules as the GOP then Hillary would have been the Dem nominee on Super Tuesday.

Posted by perceptions5 at 12:03 PM : May 19, 2008






The republicans pick their nominee by choosing the candidate with the least amount of delegates and popular votes?

I think that you''re wrong. It sounds like you''re copying Hillary''s lies, and reposting them here, without verifying that they''re true.

[craigh9]

Posted by suzyku: Hillary does NOT have more experience, sleeping in the White House next to the President does not allow her to claim more experience!

actually, it does, not because she was the ''''co-president'''' or vp, but you have to acknowledge that living with, talking to, waking up in the morning with (and, yes, at 3am in a crisis), going to bed every night with, etc, the president of the united states, living in the white house every day, dealing with the politics, the political campaigns, being personally vilified by the press and the other party, etc, gives someone a completely unique ''''experience'''' which none of the other candidates can come close to. then of course she''''s also got 8 years in the senate from nys. i personally think that if she''''d made that argument from the beginning, that form of ''''experience'''' would have given her at least the same numbers as obama''''s got now.


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Posted by ccfsdca at 12:03 PM : May 19, 2008

ABSOLUTELY THE MOST RIDICULOUS POST I''VE EVER SEEN. The wife of my surgeon isn''t going to operate on me I can assure you. This has to be the lamest line of thought yet regarding Hillarys'' experience - get a grip buddy!

[old300d]

Hi JohnGaltWho ,

Obama is not a good listener. He sat in that church for 20 years before he caught on.

He is a real slow learner and we don''t need a slow learner at this time in the white house.

[perceptions5]

The republicans pick their nominee by choosing the candidate with the least amount of delegates and popular votes?

I think that you''''re wrong. It sounds like you''''re copying Hillary''''s lies, and reposting them here, without verifying that they''''re true.


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Posted by hungry1968
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hungry1968.........what? are you having a "senior" moment?

Try writing a comment that makes sense.......strange.

[johngaltwho]

I can see voting for McCain over Obama because of his experience. I think Obama has some good ideas about foreign policy, a better understanding of the economy and as a physician, I think this country would be well served by having real health care reform. John McCain''s disposition scares me and I am worried that he is being forced to placate the extreme right wing of his party rather than running as the middle of the road maverick that he was as a legislator. I also don''t like his stance on the war. Therefore I am taking a chance and going with Obama, after 8 years of Bush, it would be an interesting concept to have a smart guy as president. I just wish I could have an Obama presidency with a Republican congress; I am concerned about the democrats over-reaching if they have that much power.

[old300d]

Hi JohnGaltWho ,

It looks like we will have a Dem congress and Rep president. With McCain as president that will make a nice balance. :)

[perceptions5]

it would be an interesting concept to have a smart guy as president. I just wish I could have an Obama presidency with a Republican congress; I am concerned about the democrats over-reaching if they have that much power.


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Posted by JohnGaltWho
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If Obama is so smart then why didn''t he "solve" the problems of the poor folks living in his district, south-side of Chicago.

And if he is so smart why would he stay in a racist church for twenty years?

Even Oprah had the brains to get out a decade ago.

[johngaltwho]

Maybe, and on everything other than the war and healthcare - thats fine with me. I still think Obama has a chance if enough Hillary voters calm down and the youth vote materializes, antyhing could happen.