May 14, 2008

Obama Defeat Signals Race, Rural Problems

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(The Politico)  This story was written by Ben Smith.
Barack Obama’s stinging defeat in West Virginia brings a sharp focus on the new coalition he may have to assemble to win the White House in November.

West Viginians rejected the presumptive Democratic nominee by a roughly two-to-one margin, one of the widest margins of the primary season. The outcome was the predictable result of familiar demographics: West Virginia’s relatively poor white voters have been Hillary Rodham Clinton’s base since February.

In a stark rejection of Obama in a state Bill Clinton carried in 1992 and 1996, almost half of the Democratic primary voters - typically the most partisan Democrats in a state - said they’d vote for Republican John McCain rather than Obama in November.

The results also suggested a deeper dissatisfaction among the state’s Democrats with both candidates: John Edwards, who dropped out more than three months ago, registered a substantial 7 percent of the vote, though Clinton immediately used the results to make her own case for electablity.

“I'm more determined than ever to carry on this campaign,” Clinton told a cheering crowd in Charleston, stressing her electablity. “If you give me a chance, Democrats, I’ll come back to West Virginia in the general election, and we’ll win this state, and we’ll win the White House.”

Behind her, a young man waved a bowling pin - a symbol of the cultural distance between Obama, who bowls poorly, and the state’s working-class white voters. Her supporters cheered raucously when numbers showing Clinton’s margin among non-college educated voters flashed on the screen in Charleston.

But with Obama remaining as the likely nominee, the results highlighted the question of exactly how he will beat McCain in November, a question his campaign did not directly address in a memo released a few hours before polls closed.

The memo stressed Obama’s strength in a different group, independent voters.

“Nationally, Obama is running stronger among Independent voters than any winning Presidential candidate since 1988 and is significantly outperforming Sen. Clinton among these voters as well in general election polling,” the memo said.

The memo also dismissed as a “myth” the notion that “Obama cannot perform strongly enough among white voters.”

“Obama ... is running as well or better than past Democratic candidates among white voters,” the memo said, showing he currently holds a share of white support similar to that Al Gore and John Kerry held in their head-to-head contests in 2000 and 2004.

The results on which the campaign is relying indicate that Obama does somewhat better with educated white independent voters than Clinton, making up for his deficit with working-class white voters.

That’s a demographic fact that could change the map in November, pushing Obama’s campaign north and west, and posing problems for him in the crucial rust belt portions of Ohio and Pennsylvania.

Obama aides said Obama called Clinton, but didn’t reach her, after her victory became clear.

But he spent the night in Missouri, and let the West Virginia results pass without comment.

By Ben Smith
Copyright 2008 POLITICO



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by truthyness May 16, 2008 12:29 PM EDT
Barack is one of the smartest people you will ever encounter who will deign to enter this messy thing called politics.%u201D
-Michelle Obama
The definition of deign is:

condescend: do something that one considers to be below one%u2019s dignity
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
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by rowdytexan2 May 15, 2008 7:00 PM EDT
Obama can''t beat McCain....core democrats won''t vote for him either! If we can''t have a REAL democrat in the White House, we''ll opt for a liberal republican!

Screw Obama and his incompetent Ishlamofascit corruption krap!
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by ghostdog8 May 15, 2008 6:50 PM EDT
Can you say McGovern ''68?
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by ekucrew May 15, 2008 3:06 PM EDT
Memo to Obama message board hacks:

Please continue to insult all states and registered voters below the Mason-Dixon Line between now and November 4th. It will pay off handsomely and the GOP will thank you!
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by heath8992 May 15, 2008 3:04 PM EDT
Hmmm. That certainly clears things up. At least now I know what he stands for and what he plans to do. Right?

I rest my case. You don''t know what he plans to do either, but you''re buying into his empty euphoria. Just more empty promises from a power hungry politician - no matter which party and no matter what color. Nothing will really change. All any of them really want is power.

And money.

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by wakeup60 May 15, 2008 2:52 PM EDT
" Yes, We Can and Yes, We Will ... "WIN"
"THE WHOLE SHAMOLEY" ... !!! Sorry ... "ALL" the "Wrong/RIGHT WINGERS...of the Presidential Competitor Ring! You are not only going to be toast but burned toast! MCBUSHES"..."ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SIT IN YOUR FRONT-ROW SEAT AND WATCH IT "ALL" - "UNFOLD"/RIGHT BEFORE YOUR LITTLE WISH-FULL EYES. This Enormous Change "IS" already in the Works!You probably won''t enjoy the ride on your Republican Elephant/but you can bet your sweet a$$ that AFTER JAN.''09-it will be a much better journey for our country-even for you-to say the least! For everyone and every single issue on the plate that needs to be correctly changed for the People of Our Country! Hang in there and Hang On-It''s going to be a "Bumpy Ride" for awhile but "ALL" will be much improved/things will be better for our Beloved U.S.-have a multitude to be really proud of,again! An Exciting new beginning-full of promise,competent,strong & intelligent leadership with potential,prosperity and a more peaceful outlook for us. Get our kids back home from this monstrosity called: " Mission Accomplished Iraq "& rid ourselves of Dubys''s ...
Defective,Disasterous,Deceitful,Dumber than a stump,Despicable,Cocky-Determined Deeds...by the way..."TEXAS" DOES NOT WANT HIM BACK EITHER/& THE "REAL" TEXANS DON''T-that is!HOW ABOUT DOWNTOWN BAGHDAD-for his retirement-HAVE A STRONG FEELING THAT THEY WOULD LOVE FOR HIM TO TAKE UP RESIDENCE THERE! OBAMA/ALL THE Way...!!!
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by heath8992 May 15, 2008 2:26 PM EDT
Why is it racist to vote for a white person if you are white, but it is not racist to vote for a black person if you are black?

Why can''t we vote for people instead of skin color? Could it just possibly be that people don''t like what BO stands for? BTW, just WHAT does he stand for? Can anyone tell me what he stands for besides "Hope" and "Change"? How lofty and mysterious. He needs to tell me a lot more about his views before he gets my vote.

As far as I can see, he''s an absolute vacuum.

This morning Leslie Stahl asked James Carville if Hillary should disavow and reject the votes of WV because they came from white people. Would she dare to ask Donna Brazille the same question of BO? Should he disavow the 80%-90% of votes he has received from black voters?
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by popstom1 May 15, 2008 2:00 PM EDT
Obama the wimp chicago politician no white vote no
Obama
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by bfjones666 May 15, 2008 11:50 AM EDT
The only thing that came out of west Virginia is now the country knows exactly how many people will never vote for a black or a woman: 7%
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by dante805 May 15, 2008 11:02 AM EDT
Of course it does. Anyone with half-a-brain could see that. What''s funny is Obama doesn''t hide his loathing for Bitter, Small Town America. They only cling to Guns and Religion. This guy is a liberal piece of work. Look up his voting record in the senate. It''s worst than Ted Kennedy and barbara Boxer.
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by Lai K W May 15, 2008 7:23 AM EDT
The fact is BO starts cracking. He has no stamina to go distance. His high-flown language may impress the academic but far from being realistic and practical.

His gaffe about Iraq and Afghanistan, his sweetie talk in Michigan, His Bittergate in Frisco, his speech rattle and prattle, ramble and crumble, and he has lost his luster. People begins to see that he is extremely weak in simple facts like number of states in America. He tends to make up explanations and twists others word and take meaning out of context.

Should he try to flash race card, he would get caught and his media advantage is getting weaker every day. Race card may bring him black votes but turn off the other.

Keep up the pressure, you will see his dismay. He is only good at big issues with standard prepared answers. He is not flexible enough to tackle changes. It is big joke that his campaign is built on changes. He is not the type who can deliver. He is terrible without a script and anticipated model answer.

It''s time to put him through a scrutiny instead of giving him free rides to the top.
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by Lai K W May 15, 2008 7:22 AM EDT
The fact is BO starts cracking. He has no stamina to go distance. His high-flown language may impress the academic but far from being realistic and practical.

His gaffe about Iraq and Afghanistan, his sweetie talk in Michigan, His Bittergate in Frisco, his speech rattle and prattle, ramble and crumble, and he has lost his luster. People begins to see that he is extremely weak in simple facts like number of states in America. He tends to make up explanations and twists others word and take meaning out of context.

Should he try to flash race card, he would get caught and his media advantage is getting weaker every day. Race card may bring him black votes but turn off the other.

Keep up the pressure, you will see his dismay. He is only good at big issues with standard prepared answers. He is not flexible enough to tackle changes. It is big joke that his campaign is built on changes. He is not the type who can deliver. He is terrible without a script and anticipated model answer.

It''s time to put him through a scrutiny instead of giving him free rides to the top.
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by chulanow May 15, 2008 7:18 AM EDT
When will the DNC, Pelosi and the Elite who have been trying to manipulate this selection process for months realize that America does NOT believe or TRUST Obama.

That is why more people have voted for Hillary than Obama.

The hard facts are that although Obama might have more delegates, he received those delegates under false pretenses.

America NOW knows who he really is and when given a second chance to vote they will VOTE NO for OBAMA!

Obama has shown us that he is not for Unity but for DIVISION.

Both Obama and Michelle have consistently accused Americans of being bitter, mean and faithless. While at the same time Obama and Michelle have been sneaking off on the weekends to applaud the racist and Anti-American sermons of Rev. Wright.

If the nomination is given to Obama without all 50 states being counted FIRST and without anyone receiving the 2209 delegates needed we are going to send a loud message to the DNC, Pelosi, Ted Kennedy and the Elite in November!

Any crowning of Obama as the candidate will be seen as a FRAUD and an illegal Democratic Nominee!!

Millions of Americans will NOT stand by and let you manipulate this selection process or any future elections

American will vote NO for Obama in November. We are AMERICANS first and Democrats and Republicans second.

We are going to vote in the best interests of this Nation.....and that is Hillary or McCain.

NO OBAMA 08
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by omaar-101 May 15, 2008 4:40 AM EDT
She`s Roasted & Toasted !!

Its Over !!

http://www.npr.org/templates/s
tory/story.php?storyId=90381052

Hillary`s Toast !!!


1. Delegate Math Favors Obama

2. But increasingly, the superdelegates are moving into the Obama camp. (He gained 30 in just the past week), negating any advantage Clinton might have had from the (16) or more pledged delegates she won in West Virginia.

3. So while the drubbing in West Virginia may be embarrassing for Obama, he still leads Clinton by any tangible measurement: pledged delegates, superdelegates and the popular vote, and there just arent enough contests left for her to catch up.

4. Big Note, And while Obama is setting new fundraising records, Clinton`s campaign debt is estimated to be more than $20 million and rising.

5. In a conference call Tuesday, Roy Romer, a superdelegate and former chair of the Democratic Party, announced his support for Obama, saying, "This race, I believe, is over." Its up to Clinton, he said, to decide when to drop out.

Hatefield & McCoys, Our Wives & Husbands are 1st Cousins, Moonshine, for a $1.59...Mountaineers...

Speaks for the Majority of White America...

No Waaay !!!







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by omaar-101 May 15, 2008 4:39 AM EDT


Hillary`s A!! is Roasted & Toasted !!!!

Did`nt get a Full 24 hrs. to savor her Hollow Win in W. Virgin ..Huh


The Demographic Story

West Virginia`s voters are typical of those that have been drawn to Clinton from the beginning.

1. The state is 96 % White.

2. Only Florida has a Higher Percentage of Seniors.

3. Big Note, A Mere (16 Percent of West Virginians hold a College Degree), the Lowest Percentage in the Nation, and (25 Percent Lack a High School Diploma.

4. West Virginia also Ranks near the Bottom Nationally in Median Household Income.

Those are the Reasons she did Well.

Translation: Hatfiled & McCoy, My husband & Your Wives are 1st Cousins, My Moonshine is Better than Yours, White Lightening, That Goos Ole Mountain Dew...HillBillies !!!

You Low lifes Knew that Heffa, was going to win W.Virginia & Kentucky, 2 months ago...Jeeesh !!

Much to do about...Absolutely...Nothing !!
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by jghutto May 15, 2008 2:20 AM EDT
That is a great idea - If Hillary is not the democratic nominee, we should ask her to run as an independent! She would get all of us that voted for her and some that move over from the Republican Party. I think she would finish ahead of Obama and McCain.

We are not suppose to say "race" is an issue. We don''t have to!! The African Americans said it for us in the beginning by Obama getting 90% of their vote. If he wasn''t black, this would not be happening! They made it a race issue to start with; it happens in all elections where a black is in the race. I am not saying they are wrong, but what is good for the goose is good for the gander - whites should not be blamed if they want a white candidate either.
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by jghutto May 15, 2008 2:20 AM EDT
That is a great idea - If Hillary is not the democratic nominee, we should ask her to run as an independent! She would get all of us that voted for her and some that move over from the Republican Party. I think she would finish ahead of Obama and McCain.

We are not suppose to say "race" is an issue. We don''t have to!! The African Americans said it for us in the beginning by Obama getting 90% of their vote. If he wasn''t black, this would not be happening! They made it a race issue to start with; it happens in all elections where a black is in the race. I am not saying they are wrong, but what is good for the goose is good for the gander - whites should not be blamed if they want a white candidate either.
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by chitown639 May 15, 2008 1:50 AM EDT
SAY NO TO 4 MORE YEARS OF BUSH/MCCAIN POLICIES!!!!!

VOTE DEMOCRAT....VOTE OBAMA 2008...YES WE CAN!!!!!!
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by truthyness May 15, 2008 1:44 AM EDT
Vote for a REAL AMERICAN!!

If not Hillary, then John McCain!!!
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by barbjc1 May 15, 2008 1:28 AM EDT
The majority of America is white.

The majority of America doesnt have a college degree.

The baby boomers are the biggest generation in America.

posted by tracymorgan0
This posting is absolutely 100% on the mark.
I think John Edwards endorsed Obama today so he would be the VP nominee.
I agree with the idea of Hillary running on an independent ticket.Wouldn''t that mess with those good ole boys minds?
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