Autism-Vaccine Link Gets Day In Court

Families Take On Mainstream Medicine, Claim Vaccines Caused Neurological Disorders

(AP)  Parents claiming that childhood vaccines cause autism should not be awarded by the courts when the scientific community has already rejected any link, U.S. government lawyers argued Monday on the first day of a federal hearing.

Overall, nearly 4,900 families have filed claims with the U.S. Court of Claims alleging that vaccines caused autism and other neurological problems in their children. Lawyers for the families are presenting three different theories of how vaccines caused autism. A hearing concerning one of those theories began Monday and is expected to last through the month. The theory at issue is whether vaccines containing the preservative thimerosal caused autism.

Lynn Ricciardella, a Justice Department lawyer, said that the theory has not moved beyond the realm of pure speculation. She noted that such organizations as the Institute of Medicine and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have rejected any link between thimerosal and autism.

"There is no scientific debate," Ricciardella said. "The debate is over."

Thimerosal has been removed in recent years from standard childhood vaccines, except flu vaccines that are not packaged in single-doses. The CDC says single-dose flu shots currently are available only in limited quantities.

Under a two-decades-old program, individuals claiming injury from a vaccine must file a petition for "no-fault" compensation with the United States Court of Federal Claims. The secretary of Health and Human Services replaces the vaccine manufacturer or vaccine administrator to defend the claim.

Two 10-year-old boys from Portland, Ore., will serve as test cases to determine whether thousands of families can be compensated. Attorneys for the boys will attempt to show they were happy, healthy and developing normally - but, after being exposed to vaccines with thimerosal, they began to regress.

To win, the attorneys for the two boys, William Mead and Jordan King, will have to show that it is more likely than not that the vaccine actually caused the injury, which they described as regressive autism.

Tom Powers, one of their attorneys, acknowledged that the evidence showing thimerosal led to regressive autism was indirect and circumstantial. Still, it is clear in the case of the two boys that they were normal and typical well after their first birthday. Only after the full round of vaccines had been administered, did they begin showing symptoms of autism.

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Exclusive: A prominent doctor tells CBS News we shouldn't rule out a possible link between childhood vaccines and autism.

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The attorneys for the families said that a study in monkeys showed that mercury could ignite "neuroinflammation" in the brain, and such inflammation is the hallmark of somebody with autism. They also noted that previous studies of thimerosal were focused on autism, rather than on a more rare, specific form of the disorder that they described as regressive autism.

The first witness for the families, Sander Greenland, a professor at the UCLA School of Public Health, said that published studies he reviewed failed to separate regressive autism from other types of autism when looking at thimerosal, thus they allow for a substantial association of the vaccines with clearly regressive autism.

Under the vaccine compensation program, officials titled special masters serve as the trial judges. The hearing that began Monday involved three special masters who will hear the evidence and determine whether thimerosal belongs on the list of causes for regressive autism. The ruling are appealable to the Court of Federal Claims.

Plaintiffs were instructed to designate three test cases for each of their theories - nine cases in all. The two cases beginning Monday are among the three that focus on the second theory of causation: that thimerosal-containing vaccines alone cause autism. If the families are successful, they could be entitled to damages that cover lost income after the person turns 18 and up to $250,000 for pain and suffering.

Many members of the medical community are skeptical of the families' claims. They worry that the claims about the dangers of vaccines could cause some people to forego vaccines that prevent illness.

"I think that what's so endearing to me about the anti-vaccine people is they're perfectly willing to go from one hypothesis to the next without a backward glance," said Dr. Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.

Autism is a developmental disability that typically appears during the first three years of life and affects a person's ability to communicate and interact with others. Dr. Andrew Gerber, a psychiatrist, said that medical experts don't have a comprehensive understanding of what causes autism, but they do know there is a strong hereditary component.

Toxins from the environment could play a role, but currently, data does not support that they do, Gerber said.

[alexma50085]

Science still has not proven one way or another in this case. The age that vaccines are given is the same age as when autism shows up, even with or without the vaccines. I feel these parents pain, because my son is slightly autistic, but I''m not going to sue the drug companies. Autism can be worked through. Has anyone every seen a baby with measels or mumps or rubella?? Google it if you haven''t, and see what happens when babies don''t get the vaccines. Usually those babies that do get it, die or have even worse mental problems than just autism. Truely, I believe that there are children that have a predisposition to autism and the little bit of mercury in triggers it and leads to autism. So basically, the child would probably have autism, weither they had the vaccine or not. I just think this is another frivolous lawsuit, that will waste more tax payer dollars.
Basically, it''s sad that children have autism and other mental desieses, but I think that we need to look into other reasons why there has been an out break of cases in the past 20 years. Has anyone thought about what our enviroment has done to contribute, the preservatives we pack into food, the polution in the air?? I''m sure that these factors have more of hand in the cause of our medical problems than we are giving them credit for.

[nothappyatall]

"medical experts dont have a comprehensive understanding of what causes autism, but they do know there is a strong hereditary component."

And the fact that the girl in the article had a "rare" underlaying disorder that was supposedly "worsened" by the vaccine shows she had a problem to begin with- a genetic WEAKNESS, but see, the parents wont accept that maybe THEIR child has a DEFECT, from heaven forbid- BAD genes inherited from them. Funny how 300 million other people in this country are vaccinated and have NO such problems.

I suppose the anti vaccine crowd would rather their kid develop polio or any of the multitude of diseases vaccines stopped, but then I guess they''d find a way to file those deep pocket lawsuits for failure of the Govt to protect THEIR child from nasty diseases.

[nothappyatall]

Thimerisol is a mercury COMPOUND, theres more raw mercury in those nice compact fluorescent bulbs, wait till the day you inevitably break one of those bulbs by accident- releasing the mercury vapor into the room whose air you BREATHE!

[shydroanna]

I don''t think we will know the causes of Autism for a while, not matter what side wins this case the other side will still beleive what they always have. The vaccines are well regulated. The toxins in our food and air are not. The toxic toys from other countries, the toxic medications shipped to us or the pollution could be causing it. We have seen years of animals in the wild suffering with strange diseases, did we think the pollution wouldn''t get us because we sleep in giant wood boxes? I think the causes are more mystrious and harder to see then vaccines.

[lambofgoth]

newster1 - cheers!

[toolmangler-2009]

here they go again, tilting at windmills, give it a rest.

[acolton1]

It''s about time for this to hit the courts. The Drug companys will just drag out any judgement in the courts for years and treat the children like trash and not give out any money for as long as possible. That''s how the Big Drug Mfg work.

[rational_1]

This is an excellent example of people confusing correlation with causality. Just because a child starts developing signs of autism after a vaccine does not mean the vaccine caused the autism. It just so happens that some vaccinations are scheduled at an age that typically precedes the initial signs of autism in children. The NIH and the National Academy of Sciences looked into the MMR vaccine/autism issue and evaluated all the evidence obtained thus far and concluded there is no link. Even 10 of the 12 authors of the study that ignited this controversy have retracted the original interpretation of their data. If you''re interested there''s a whole Wikipedia article on the MMR vaccine controversy, with links to the original articles, and it can be found here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy

I really do feel sorry for parents who have autistic kids and understand that they''d like to know why their child is autistic, but I think this vaccine issue is a red herring.

[toolmangler-2009]

wait till the day you inevitably break one of those bulbs by accident- releasing the mercury vapor into the room whose air you BREATHE!
Posted by newster1 at 09:30 AM : May 12, 2008


Right on the mark, newster1 and well said.

[rational_1]

I suppose the anti vaccine crowd would rather their kid develop polio or any of the multitude of diseases vaccines stopped, but then I guess they''''d find a way to file those deep pocket lawsuits for failure of the Govt to protect THEIR child from nasty diseases.
Posted by newster1 at 09:26 AM : May 12, 2008

And that is EXACTLY what did happen when vaccination compliance dropped off in the UK, shortly after the Wakefield paper came out in Lancet, supposedly linking MMR vaccine and autism. There were cases of measles-associated encephalitis and a few deaths.

[rational_1]

Thimerisol is a mercury COMPOUND, theres more raw mercury in those nice compact fluorescent bulbs, wait till the day you inevitably break one of those bulbs by accident- releasing the mercury vapor into the room whose air you BREATHE!
Posted by newster1 at 09:30 AM : May 12, 2008

And after thimerosal was removed from the MMR vaccine, autism prevalence actually ROSE in California.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080107181551.htm

[drinuk]

rational_1, You are a Big Pharma plant and you LIE.

The only measles epidemic we have had was from the strain contained in the MMR jab and after the jab. The case against Dr Wakefield is falling apart at the seams and there has been NO independent research into this junk, anyone who says different is a liar.

newster1, You Too, Big Pharma insider, it''s the same old rubbish. why don''t you publish details of the research. AND 300 million have NOT had the MMR jab you lying toad.

Parents interested should check out www.theoneclickgroup.co.uk

These Big Pharma cretins creep out of the woodwork every time this subject is raised, you are losing, get used to it. 1 in 100 kids are now Autistic, even McCain called it an epidemic.

[mbburch06]

So why are these people entitled to millions of tax-payer dollars because a vaccine MIGHT cause autism? Could this be any more ridiculous? Every medical procedure, even the most benign, carries risk. Vaccines have saved millions of lives; the benefits clearly outweight the costs, but when you choose to have your child vaccinated, understand that nothing is without risk, and don''t come crying to taxpayers when something goes wrong.

The biggest winners here are the lawyers who will be padding their pockets with 30 to 40% of the final settlement.

[drinuk]

I do feel for the parents, BS, if you did feel for them you would be well advised to support a halt on MMR until genuine, truly indepenent research was carried out. And since when did it offer protection against Polio? You are lying manipulating b a s t a r d s.

[drinuk]

Also You cretins should not blame mercury, you know full well it is the measles virus contained in the MMR shot which is causing the gut and bowel problems resulting consequently in brain damage, Oh! boy are the Morons are out today, where do Big Pharma get''em from.

[alexma50085]

How many children has been saved by vaccines compared to those that have developed autism?? Like someone posted before, every medical procedure carries some risk. Google pictures of babies with Measels and Mumps and Rubella and then decide if you want want your child protected against these deseases.

[itgranny]

I''m all for making vaccines safe but the antivaccine crowd is putting us all in jepardy.

As in most things, there''s a bell curve at work here. Some who are vaccinated will be super immune others will have adaquate immunity, and then there are some that it didn''t take at all.

It''s a numbers game. If these diseases start in the unvaccinated crowd, it increases the amount of bug that''s floating around, which in turn will push it''s way through individuals who didn''t receive adequate immunity, into affecting even what we call adaquately immune because the numbers are so high.

The people who think they don''t have to get their kids immunized need to be biach-slapped because they are putting all of us at risk.

[drinuk]

alexma5008, So you would sacrifice 1 in every hundred children ? is that what you are saying ? over 30 vaccinations before a child reaches 3 years old ? can that make sense? No it''s Big Pharma and the FDA and crooked politicians, It''s about greed and money and tax payers money.

[alexma50085]

drinuk
It''s not 1 out of every hundred, it''s one out of every 500 children that develope autism world wide. And children die every day, it''s a sad part of life, but if one child dies and it saves 100 children than so be it. Then that is a sacrifice that happens.

[drinuk]

itgrammy, are you going to slap all the Amish ? they have no vaccines and no Autism either. Don''t offer your opinion unless you know what you''re talking about, there are quite enough liars and con artists on here thank you.

Do you people realise how much of an earner MMR and Gardasil is to Big Pharma, it''d Billions and they just don''t give a dam about the health of any of us, they are worse than Bin Laden, they are the real terrorists.

[drinuk]

CURRENT FIGURES ARE 1 in 100, go check it. AND all diagnosed after having the jab. Remember THALIDOMIDE, that was''nt a problem either !!!!! Was it?

[itgranny]

drinuk:"are you going to slap all the Amish?"

The answer is yes. I work with some of them in the veterinary practice. Most do vaccinate their animals because they do understand the dire consequences of what can happen if they don''t.

"Don''t offer your opinion unless you know what you''''re talking about"... Back at you.

[drinuk]

So they give their animals MMR do they? Have you asked about their children! current studies show No MMR No Autism.

[drinuk]

Lets put this into persective, No one is against the single shot vaccines but there is a very serious question mark over MMR and the measles virus contained therein. There is also a serious doubt about this triple dose given together to under developed babies. The reason it is being pushed so hard and the problems denied is because it is cheaper than single shots for the government and far more profitable for big pharma. There are however many people worldwide seriously questioning the terrible side effects in many children. If there is any doubt whatsoever we should revert back to the single shot.
The problem being that on the say so of the pharmaceuticals and the FDA and without proper tests and consultation, governments have purchased tons of the stuff and one way or another there are going to use it, if not on our kids, on children in the third world. I simply say lets have truly independent research. If it''s that good surely no one could object to the saving of just one case of Autism.

[lambofgoth]

Why is every other post here from drinuk? I love the qualification "Even McCain called it an epidemic".

[drinuk]

They are all mine because the Big Pharma lobbyists have now all gone to ground. OH! and even Hillary and Obama agreed that serious research is required.

[Syndicate]

Autism seems like a pretty complicated disease for mercury to cause. It looks to me like this is heat damage caused by a reaction to the vaccine. Not that it matters the disease would cause the same reaction.

[tucano2]

Merck''s MMR vaccine, made from imported materials, deafens thousands of American children each year. The vaccine is particularly devastating to kids with allergies to eggs as the vaccine is incubated in eggs!

[rational_1]

rational_1, You are a Big Pharma plant and you LIE.
The only measles epidemic we have had was from the strain contained in the MMR jab and after the jab. The case against Dr Wakefield is falling apart at the seams and there has been NO independent research into this junk, anyone who says different is a liar.

newster1, You Too, Big Pharma insider, it''''s the same old rubbish. why don''''t you publish details of the research. AND 300 million have NOT had the MMR jab you lying toad.
Posted by drinuk at 10:15 AM : May 12, 2008

I''m not a Big Pharma plant; I''m a university professor with a Ph.D. in pharmacology, and with no ties to the pharmaceutical industry. The reason I mention I''m a professor is to illustrate that I have the training to be able to evaluate the science that I read - and I well understand the difference between correlation and causality. Earlier I posted a link to a Wikipedia article that provides references to a wide variety of studies that show no link between MMR vaccine and autism. These MANY studies have been persuasive enough for the CDC, National Academy of Sciences and the UK Natl. Health Service to all declare no evidence of a link between the two. But if you want to believe in fairy tales, knock yourself out. Incidentally there was an increase in measles (and deaths) in the UK after vaccination rates dropped due to the bogus Wakefield Lancet paper, so know that if you don''t vaccinate your kid, you are putting him at risk.

[rational_1]

itgrammy, are you going to slap all the Amish ? they have no vaccines and no Autism either. Don''''t offer
Posted by drinuk at 10:42 AM : May 12, 2008

You''re concluding that because the Amish do not vaccinate their kids that''s why they have no autism. So, apart from not vaccinating their kids, their children grow up exactly like our kids? They eat the same junk food, get exposed to the same levels of pollutants (household and otherwise) and basically are identical to our kids except for the vaccination thing? This is exactly what I meant about not confusing correlation and causality. You mention one thing the Amish do differently from the rest of society (among the many many many differences) and then conclude that this must be responsible for them not showing signs of autism. Not a particularly deep thinker are you drinuk?

[chatmandu002]

One of the problems with our medical system today is that every thing MUST be perfect and no one can suffer. But in the real world nothing is perfect and some do suffer. 4,500 families out of how many millions that claim to have been hurt by the shots. Autism is the new convenient diagnosis for what use to be ADD and hyperactivity.

[alexma50085]

This is a waste of tax payer dollars. No one has proven that thimerisol cause autism. The signs of autism just happen to show up the same time that we give the vaccines. My son has slight autism and I have never blamed it on the shot he received. Truely, I would rather work with the autism than to think of the problem he could have from contract Measels, Mumps, or Rubella. Look at the pictures of baby''s that have gotten these diseases, and the aftermath of having one of these diseases at a young age. Autism is walk in the park compared to the mental and physical problems caused by measels, mumps, or rubella.

[rational_1]

Also You cretins should not blame mercury, you know full well it is the measles virus contained in the MMR shot which is causing the gut and bowel problems resulting consequently in brain damage, Oh! boy are the Morons are out today, where do Big Pharma get''''em from.
Posted by drinuk at 10:26 AM : May 12, 2008

Nice little bit of revisionist history going on here drinuk. Why was thimerosal removed from the MMR vaccine? It was because it contains mercury. So the anti-vaccination crowd jumped on that as the cause of autism. However, its removal from the MMR vaccine hasn''t affected autism incidence in the slightest. So now the anti-vaccination folks have changed gears and say it must be the vaccine itself that''s responsible for autism.

[alexma50085]

Chatmandu002,

I wouldn''t go as far as saying that autism is just an extension of ADD/ADHD. But you are right about people thinking that their everyone needs to be perfect and no one should suffer. It''s a part of life, a sad part, but still a part of life that everyone has to deal with. It sounds heartless, but children die everyday, but by those deaths, we as a human species grow stronger.

[rational_1]

CURRENT FIGURES ARE 1 in 100, go check it. AND all diagnosed after having the jab.
Posted by drinuk at 10:45 AM : May 12, 2008

My 6 year-old son has lost a couple of teeth recently. All of this occurred after his MMR vaccination and I think it is responsible. Parents beware, your children''s teeth will fall out a few years after getting the MMR vaccine.

[teeus]

"...I feel these parents pain, because my son is slightly autistic, but I''''m not going to sue the drug companies. Autism can be worked through..."
Posted by alexma50085

I...I...am AGAST at your blythe ignorance of people with situations other than your own.

My son is also autistic, but not slightly. He wasnt potty trained until he was 10. He has a working vocabulary of about 50 words. If he gets lost, and some one asks him "whats your name", he will simply repeat the question back at them. He will climb in strangers vehicles simply because he likes the type of car they have. He has no concept of personal space, and will try to grab people who look like people he knows. This was kind of cute when he was five. Now that he is 13, its a little more dicey--especially when he grabs girls.

I could go on and on, but my point is that my son will never live unassisted. My husband and I are not wealthy. So when we die, who is going to pay for his living arranglements? Im guessing since you feel autism can be "worked through" Ill send him to your house.

Do NOT offer up your rightous judgment until you walk in my shoes.

Maybe a victory over mainstream medicine will end the use of this deadly toxin. The dental community hopefully will voluntary end their association with this deadly heavy metal.

[teeus]

Thimerisol was removed almost 10 YEARS ago. Nothing to see here. Move on.
Posted by MyOpinion1

Not true. Thimersisol was VOLUNTARILY removed by SOME Pharma companies in the last 3 or 4 years. And because it was voluntary, many companies chose to use up there stock pile instead of just throwing it away.

It was removed from ANIMAL vaccines over ten years ago. Because it was hazardous. Maybe thats what youre thinking of.

[alexma50085]

teeus,

I sorry that your son has autism, and will be permantly disabled for the rest of his life, but there are different levels of autism as you should know being the parent of an autistic child. 6 months ago, my son had 15 words in his vocabulary and today, he has more than 200, and this is due to daily therapy, by me and my husband and special instructors that come to our house. Some spectrums of autism can be worked though, don''t deny that. However I don''t believe that these parents sueing the drug companies have any right to compensation for their childs affliction when there is no medical evidence to back them up.

[teeus]

However, its removal from the MMR vaccine hasn''''t affected autism incidence in the slightest. So now the anti-vaccination folks have changed gears and say it must be the vaccine itself thats responsible for autism.
Posted by rational_1

Sigh. No one who is saying--no matter what bunk you try to spread here--is saying its the vaccine. People involved in this discussion who have done more research 10 minutes worth feel these kids have a genetic/envirnomentally mutated physiology that prevents them from sloughing off mercury and other heavy metals. The mercury in the vaccines push these kids systems to the breaking point at a crucial stage in development. THATS why it doesnt affect every child. And THATS why no one ever says dont get vaccinations.

Just remove the toxins from the ones you jab into toddlers.

And mercury hasnt been out of all vaccination long enough to judge whether theres been a drop in rates of autism or not.

[rational_1]

Sigh. No one who is saying--no matter what bunk you try to spread here--is saying its the vaccine.
Posted by teeus at 01:05 PM : May 12, 2008

Sure they are - read all the posts from drinuk below. I think he''s a fool, but that''s just em

[rational_1]

People involved in this discussion who have done more research 10 minutes worth feel these kids have a genetic/envirnomentally mutated physiology that prevents them from sloughing off mercury and other heavy metals. The mercury in the vaccines push these kids systems to the breaking point at a crucial stage in development. THATS why it doesnt affect every child. And THATS why no one ever says dont get vaccinations.
Posted by teeus at 01:05 PM : May 12, 2008

I''ve not heard this argument - do you a have a scientific reference (preferably a review article) for this? I''d really be interested in reading up on this.

[nothappyatall]

many companies chose to use up there stock pile instead of just throwing it away.
teeus

Um, vaccines ALL have an expiration date, they do not store well, so what you are claiming isn''t so, unless you want to now claim they are ALSO distributing vaccines past their printed expiration dates.

[nothappyatall]

many companies chose to use up there stock pile instead of just throwing it away.
Baileycc

I think you''d better look at FLUORIDE added to all tooth paste and water supplies, not only is this a TOXIC chemical but it was declared "safe" by a Dr Hodges who just happened to be involved with the Manhattan project and others to build the atomic bomb, which coincidence to beat all, just happened to use FLUORIDE. Do a google search on fluoride toxicity and Dr Hodges- while you yammer on about vaccines you are dosing your kids with toxic FLUORIDE and FLUORIDE tooth paste, which if you read the warning label states that even a kid swallowing a pearl-sized amount of the paste can cause poisoning.
Your kid is shoving that rat poison in their mouth 2-3 or more times a DAY.

[rational_1]

Just remove the toxins from the ones you jab into toddlers.
And mercury hasnt been out of all vaccination long enough to judge whether theres been a drop in rates of autism or not.
Posted by teeus at 01:05 PM : May 12, 2008

Actually they have been monitoring autism levels since thimerosal was removed and not finding decreases in autism. Go to the Pubmed site

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

Type in "schechter grether" (the two authors) into the search box and you''ll see an abstract of a recent paper.

[nothappyatall]

Fluoride - More Acutely Toxic Than Lead
Fluoride is a powerful poison - more acutely poisonous than lead. This explains why fluoride is the active ingredient in many pesticides and rodenticides. It also explains why accidental over-ingestion of fluoride can cause serious toxic symptoms.

Malfunctioning water-fluoridation equipment, leading to excess levels of fluoride in water, has been another periodic source of acute fluoride poisoning.

http://www.lovethetruth.com/truth_about_fluoride.htm

http://poisonfluoride.com/pfpc/html/symptoms.html



Symptoms of Fluoride Poisoning

%u201CThough apparently vague and non-specific, most of the symptoms of fluoride toxicity point towards some kind of profound metabolic dysfunction, and are strikingly similar to the symptoms of Hypothyroidism.%u201D

http://poisonfluoride.com/pfpc/

August 2002 - Belgium becomes the first country in the world to prohibit fluoride supplements Fluoride tablets, fluoride drops and fluoride chewing gum, for decades promoted as the crown jewels of dentistry, are going to be taken off the market because they are poisonous and pose a great risk for physical and psychological health. This has been decided by the Federal Minister of Public Health.

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/fluoride.htm

[nothappyatall]

"Fluoridation ... it is the greatest fraud that has ever been perpetrated and it has been perpetrated on more people than any other fraud has."Professor Albert Schatz, Ph.D. (Microbiology), Discoverer of streptomycin and Nobel Prize Winner

14th Nov 2005 - Most of Western Europe has now abandoned fluoridation of water due to a lack of evidence as to its effectiveness and concerns about major side-effects. 98% of Europe is now free of fluoridated water.

see:http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/fluoride.htm

[demslie]

You have all missed the point. The entire purpose of this story is to generate revenue for the Trail Lawyers Association which is the largest CASH contributor to the DNC. Democrat slimee trial lawyers have contributed Billions to Democrat Campaigns. The purpose of this story is to justify the Billions of Dollars that Trial Lawyers plan on getting from suing for damages. When the trial lawyers sued Dow Corning for the damage caused by Silicone Breast Implants, the Democrat news media carried all sorts of %u201Cstories%u201D about doctors and researchers who agreed. As it turned out, that was all lies by Democrats. There was no evidence of wrong doing. Dow Corning went out of business after paying more than Seven Billions Dollars. 16,000 people were put out of work when all the subsidiaries failed and the 250 thousand claimants got nothing. The Democrat Trail Lawyers got Billions to buy more yachts and mansions. And the end result, the 20 year CDC research showed no evidence of harm and Silicone Breast Implants can now be sold again in America. And the Slime Democrat Trial Lawyers are back to do the same thing all over again with vaccine companies. Democrats are really good for America.

[nothappyatall]

See video.google.com/videoplay?docid=319371121952493016

Fluoride & the Atomic Bomb: Harold Hodge''s Conflict of Interest

In this interview, journalist Christopher Byrson discusses the life of Dr. Harold Hodge. Hodge was a key scientific figure in the early promotion of water fluoridation in the U.S. Hodge''s interest in fluoride stemmed from his work with the Manhatten Project & Atomic Energy Commission, where he studied the toxicity of fluoride and uranium - two chemicals of key importance to the U.S. bomb program.

[teeus]

"...No, it was removed and you have ALWAYS been able to order, fresh thimerisol free vaccines if you choose to...
...Autism-LIKE symptoms, it''''s not even Autism"
Posted by MyOpinion1

What does the fact that you could order special vaccinations have to do with anything? You would need to know about it in order to ask for it. Thats assuming your Dr. would humor you and special order it, delaying the vaccination, and assuming you could afford it because your insurance wont cover it.

And dont get too hung up on "Autism-like" as though it proves something. People say it because there is no test that "turns the sample blue" that identifies autism. If you have flu-like symptoms, does that mean you dont really have the flu? Or does it just mean that there is not test to prove it?