Clinton Has Become A Conservative Populist

The New Republic: Candidate Has Undergone A Transformation In Recent Weeks

(The New Republic)  This column was written by Jonathan Chait.

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The dying days of the Hillary Clinton campaign have brought the breathtaking spectacle of a candidate lashing out at every element of public life that has nourished her career. The über-wonk has disparaged economists and expertise. The staunch ally of black America has attacked her opponent for lacking support of "working, hard-working Americans, white Americans." People who thought they knew Hillary Clinton have gazed in astonishment: What has she become? The answer is, a conservative populist.

Conservative populism and liberal populism are entirely different things. Liberal populism posits that the rich wield disproportionate influence over the government and push for policies often at odds with most people's interest. Conservative populism, by contrast, dismisses any inference that the rich and the non-rich might have opposing interests as "class warfare." Conservative populism prefers to divide society along social lines, with the elites being intellectuals and other snobs who fancy themselves better than average Americans.

Consider this analysis recently offered by Bill Clinton in Clarksburg, West Virginia: "The great divide in this country is not by race or even income, it's by those who think they are better than everyone else and think they should play by a different set of rules." This is precisely the dynamic that allows multimillionaires like George W. Bush and Bill O'Reilly to present themselves as being on the side of the little guy. A more classic expression of conservative populism cannot be found.

Historically, the conservative populist's social divide ran along racial and ethnic lines. In recent years, overt racism has all but disappeared from mainstream political life, and even racial hot button appeals like the 1988 Willie Horton ad have grown rare. What remains is a residue of nostalgia about small towns--whose residents are said to have stronger values and work harder than other Americans, and who also happen to be overwhelmingly white. In 2004, after John Kerry declared that some entertainers supporting him represented "the heart and soul of America," George W. Bush embarked upon a national tour of small- and mid-sized cities, where he would say, "I believe the heart and soul of America is found in places like Duluth, Minnesota," or other such places.

Likewise, Bill Clinton recently declared, "The people in small towns in rural America, who do the work for America, and represent the backbone and the values of this country, they are the people that are carrying her through in this nomination." The corollary--that strong values and hard work is in shorter supply among ethnically heterogeneous urban residents--is left unstated. Hillary Clinton's statement about "hard-working Americans, white Americans" simply made explicit a theme that conservative populists usually keep implicit.

Liberal populism is mostly harnessed to a concrete legislative program aimed at broadening prosperity. Al Gore's "people versus the powerful" campaign focused on his differences with Bush over issues like regulation of HMOs and progressive taxation. Conservative populism, by contrast, is a way of exploiting the grievances it identifies without redressing them. It has an ever-shifting array of targets — Michael Dukakis's veto of a law requiring students to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, or the rantings of Jeremiah Wright — but no way to knock them down.

Conservative populists sometimes ape liberal populism by promising material benefits to average people. But the promise is structured so as to pose no threat to any wealthy economic interest. George W. Bush offered tax cuts to the middle class, but paired them with far larger tax cuts for the rich, so that, ultimately, the middle class bore a larger proportion of the tax burden.

Hillary Clinton's embrace of the gas tax holiday is a miniature example of the same pattern. Her plan, which rests upon the political principle that high gasoline prices are unacceptable and that the federal gas tax is a burden on hard-pressed Americans, is highly congenial to the interests of oil companies. Yet she presents it as an assault on Big Oil, much as Bush presented his tax cuts as a way to force the rich to pay a higher share of the burden of government.

If economists or other social scientists dispute the conservative populist's claims, that is only because they, too, are elitists. Bush would dismiss objections to the upper class tilt of his tax cuts by picking a middle class family (in this case, the Muellers) and saying, "Oh, some of the sophisticates will say that $2,700 doesn't matter to the Muellers. 'It doesn't sound like a lot to me.' It's a lot to them. That's what counts."

And so, when Tim Russert said that economists believe the gas tax holiday won't lower prices at the pump, Clinton campaign chairman Terry MacAuliffe replied, "Maybe for Barack Obama and for many of your economists, Tim, who you may talk to, you know what, maybe an extra hundred bucks for them isn't a big deal. But I can tell you this, it is a big deal for most Americans."

Social science analysis is the mortal enemy of conservative populism. The liberal populist sees politics as a series of quantifiable trade-offs between competing interests. The conservative populist offers an appeal that can't be quantified: Who shares your values? Who is more manly? (James Carville: "If she gave him one of her cojones, they'd both have two.")

If a liberal populist cites experts or numbers to back his position, that only proves to the conservative populist that he is out of touch. It's the intellectual equivalent of buying arugula from Whole Foods. A Clinton endorser addressed a rally last month, "You didn't go to Harvard! You weren't born with a silver spoon in your mouth!" (Never mind that Clinton graduated from Yale Law School and had a far more stable, middle class upbringing than Obama.) In the liberal populists' world, the locus of evil is K Street. In the conservative populists' world, the locus of evil is Cambridge, Massachusetts.

In Clinton's defense, she obviously does not believe her own social conservative rhetoric. But neither do Republican social conservatives. She is not running for president so she can suspend the gas tax any more than George H. W. Bush sought the office on order to increase the rate of flag-saluting.

One conceit of the conservative populist style is that its practitioners are "real," while its targets are "fake." For years, Hillary Clinton put herself forward as the earnest liberal policy wonk she actually is, while conservatives lambasted her as a phony. Since she started campaigning as the enemy of all she once held dear, some conservatives have started to appreciate her, even lauding her authenticity. The Weekly Standard's Noemie Emery gushed that after March 4, Hillary "began to seem real." Indeed, she is now real in exactly the same way the conservative populists imagine themselves to be.

Jonathan Chait is a senior editor at The New Republic.

[xlib]

Believe this and you''ve taken part in drinking from the koolaid vat too long. This biotch is a die hard socialist but is very good at pandering.

[paris1969]

if this article was on paper ... I would throw it in the trash!

[crat3]

"The dying days of the Hillary Clinton campaign" is a pro-Obama biased media assertion.

The pro-Obama biased media have interfered in, undermined, and subverted the Democratic nominaton process. The pro-Obama biased media continue to sabotage Sen. Clinton''s presidential campaign.

Black racism cannot trump the Democratic nomination process. Obama''s lead in delegates, superdelegates and votes is due to the black racism in voting against Sen. Clinton.

Obama does not have the requisite number of delegates for the nomination; he has no presumptive lock on the nomination. The Democratic nomination process is still in progress and concludes when all of the remaining states have voted and the superdelegates select the best qualified candidate using their independent judgment. Sen. Clinton is the best qualified presidential candidate and she must continue her fight for the future of America.

Qualifications must be the unyielding principle, similar to the rule of law, for the presidential nomination. Obama''s skin color and fear of alienating the black vote or the threat of %u201Cmassive demonstrations%u201D cannot trump the unyielding principle of qualifications.

Obama will crash and burn in November and the Democratic Party will be a train wreck in November. I will vote McCain. McCain will be president and it will be four more years of Bush under McCain. Media tyranny and black racism must be defeated.

[irliberal]

Good article.

[ubrew12]

This is a very prescient, well-written article.

If there''s a problem with conservative populism, its epitomized in the character of George Bush. In an America where dumb is really ''smart'', THIS is gonna be your president. And if Americans can''t really find the folly in THAT, then they deserve to follow their dollar into the dumps. Rome did the same thing: thought increasingly that their army WAS their empire.

America used to know how to grow communities. Now, it knows how to grow millionaire conservative pundits who''s advice to the little guys is, literally: "Whose looking out for you?"

Yes, Mr. O''Reilly, that really should be our FIRST question about our lives.

And THAT, in a nutshell, is the difference between liberal populism and conservative populism: Liberals asked us (once upon a time): ''ask... what you can do for your country''. Today, conservatives ask us: ''whose looking out for you?'' (i.e. better kiss the *ss of some rich guy, and soon!)

[biwat]

Someone said:
"Obama''s lead in delegates, superdelegates and votes is due to the black racism in voting against Sen. Clinton"

Obama is the head racist right now.

Quotation from Obama''s book: Dreams Of My Father:

"I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER%u2019S RACE%u201D.

[rsmith091]

Congratulations Mr. Chait. This day sees the apex of biased journalism grace our good land.

[rsmith091]

Congratulations Mr. Chait. This day sees the apex of biased journalism grace our good land.

[trbundro1277]

Obama will crash and burn in November and the Democratic Party will be a train wreck in November. I will vote McCain. McCain will be president and it will be four more years of Bush under McCain. Media tyranny and black racism must be defeated.
Posted by crat3 at 01:40 PM : May 10, 2008
*** Please don''t vote for Amnesty Juan McCain! McCain wants to let 12 million mexicans become citizens overnight, and then let 5 million more in every year for the next 20 years. That is too many foreigners! Do you really want American to be bilingual in the next 2 years? Most Americans can hardly speak English, and now i''m gonna be forced to speak Spanish if Juan McCain is president? I''d rather a racist black man be president, then a mexican agenda driven 71 year old white male! If you want Clinton to be president even if Obama gets the democratic nominee, then write in Hillary''s name on the Nov ballot, rather than voting for Amnesty McBush!

[Marie Zarankevich]

Ahhhhhhh! -- Thanks. -- I needed that.

[miriamt-2009]

GREAT ARTICLE! No body describes the Clintons better than %u2013 Carl Bernstein, 360 Contributor and Author of %u201CA Woman In Charge: the Life of Hillary Rodham Clinton%u201C

%u201CWhat will a Hillary Clinton presidency look like?

The answer by now seems obvious: It will look like her presidential campaign, which in turn looks increasingly like the first Clinton presidency.

Which is to say, high-minded ideals, lowered execution, half truths, outright lies (and imaginary flights), take-no prisoners politics, some very good policy ideas, a presidential spouse given to wallowing in anger and self-pity, and a succession of aides and surrogates pushed under the bus when things don%u2019t go right. Which is to say, often.

And endless psychodrama: the essential Clintonian experience that mesmerizes the press, confuses the citizenry, confounds members of both parties in Congress (not to mention the Clintons themselves, at times) and pretty much keeps the rest of the world constantly amused and fixated."

"The basic dynamics of the campaign, except for the Clintons%u2019 vast new-found personal wealth and its challenges, have been near-constant since they arrived in Washington: through Whitewater, health care, the battle of the budget, the culture wars, the tax returns released only under duress, the travel office, Monica, impeachment, the pardons and through Hillary Clinton%u2019s often repugnant presidential campaign."

[joyous88]

she lost my vote when she started acting like a republicon,

as described in this article,

sadly, she is still a better candidate for president

than McBushCain, and way better than Bush himself.

[joyous88]

republicons have become fascist dogs , not only

UN american,

but anti american as well

[notopennshut]

No one knows what the REAL Clintons are like. They will say and do anything depending on the situation. They know no limits to what they can say in sowing a path of destruction to their ultimate aim of being in power. She brags about her 35 years of experience. All right, for the last 35 years, she had been living an elite and powerful life. Since then, she had NEVER live what is considered the life of a normal american. A governor''s wife, a top politician, a president''s wife, life in the WH etc..etc. What does she know of the pain and suffering of a normal working family? She has had the best there is in terms of insurance and everything else. How can she even claim to know of one who grew up like all of us. She lies through her teeth when she says she identifies with us. Once a liar, always a liar.

[ranger1948]

Anyone seen obamawhamma ? I have been looking under every rock for that snake.

[stopkidding]

Ranger! I see you are another tiny, unaccomplished kid throwing turds.

[Snerdguy]

Neither Hillary or Obama are willing to take on the source of many of our country''s problems. Even though the majority of Americans believe that our greatest problem is our broken government, neither candidate has the nerve to say it.

The solution starts with fixing the government. It needs a lot of work. The candidates are mostly playing mind games and offer little that is substantial. It''s getting to the point that we are blocking them out because we are just plain tired of hearing them argue like small children. Debate about the main problems for a change. You know what it is.

[samthetvcat]

Well look, I guess when two candidates basically have identical platforms, people are going to be drawn to those most like them.

Barack is black, urban, relatively young, white-collar, and he''s not yet connecting in some pockets with certain white, rural, relatively older, blue-collar voters. What I wonder about Hillary''s ''base'' is that given that she''s white, and relatively older, but urban and white-collar in her roots, doesn''t that maybe point to idea that the ''conservative populist'' crowd isn''t truly connecting with her, they''re just connecting with her more than Barack? Look how she did in Iowa - she came in 3rd behind John Edwards.

Like, if Barack were able to show John Edwards that his unique perspective was greatly needed as part of his Cabinet, might this ''Lou Dobbs'' vote be just as drawn, if not more drawn, to this coalition over Hillary or McCain?

It''d be interesting to find out, although they had a clip of an interview of John Edwards on Huffington Post from Morning Joe, and it sounds like he really understands what it must be like to be in Hillary''s shoes right now and isn''t eager to make her feel like he''s picking a side which would inure to her disadvantage. That''s really nice of him - a lot nicer than I''d be in his place Ha ha :o . Anyway, I guess maybe that''s something Barack and his advisors are probably exploring already, wouldn''t you think?

[samthetvcat]

PS Or if John Edwards wasn''t interesting perhaps there''s somebody else who might if given the time be able to earn the trust of the ''conservative populist'' crowd.

I guess Hillary''s going to have a huge win in West Virginia - instead of pointing out how she''s more electable in November than Barack, I would argue that given Barack''s idea of leadership being to inspire cooperation from the ground up rather than the top down makes him still the more electable and that it''s just a matter of finding somebody to join his coalition who understands the rust-belt, coal-mine town interests so that they too can feel like they''re going to be part of the change movement that the rest of us are so excited about

[ranger1948]

stopkidding
I don''t have to throw turds when there are POS like you laying around

[samthetvcat]

Ranger, what do you think about the idea of Barack having a White House filled with some of the talented people whose names are being thrown around - Jim Webb, John Edwards, Michael Bloomberg, Bill Richardson, etc? Just as good as Hillary?

[ranger1948]

sam the tv cat
I am totally opposed to obama or mccain. I do not think we need either one of them ion the white house and have no respect for anyoine who would run with them or be a part of their regime. My first choice is Ron Paul. If the black community ever gets someone qualified to run for president i would be on board and vote for them. I do not trust obama. I know mccain wants to continue bush''s policies in Iraq so he can get filthy rich like bush and doesn''t care how many Americans have to die to do it. You don''t see the politicians kids going to war.

[stn_sage]

If Clinton has become a conservative populist as pointed out by the author---and I think that''s true; and on the basis of her race-baiting, divisive campaign she''s run, then the real question is WHY she is still IN the Democratic Party?!

She should leave it just as Joe Lieberman did! She doesn''t represent the party, the people in it, or the best interest''s of the nation anymore! She represents arrogance, greed, and lust for power and wealth! She''s making the Dem party look bad! At some point, if leaders in this party had any guts---and they don''t---they should ask her to LEAVE! Or, kick her out!

It''s not the ''Clinton party'', it never was! She needs to understand that.

[samthetvcat]

McCain''s sons apparently have served or are serving in Iraq, but yeah he''s Bush 2.0 for sure - scary!

Thanks for your feedback about maybe cabinet members providing some different perspectives and that not being quite what you were looking for. Shucks . . . hmmm, well hopefully Barack''s campaign will think of something before November to prove to some of the naysayers that he''s worthy . . .

There''s another libertarian running named Bob Barr . . . not sure, but I think he wants to end the Iraq war just like Ron Paul . . . maybe he''s more up your alley (?)

[ranger1948]

stn_sage
I don''t believe in parties to begin with. If we had parties that would represent the people the way they want then i would agree they are a good thing to have. We vote every four years and none of our officials have done what the American public wants done. I can not see giving my vote blindly to any party. I look at the issues and want to vote for who will lead us in the best manner.

[ranger1948]

Sam the tvcat
I haven''t heard of this Bob Barr. As for McCains son''s serving i would question where they are serving in Iraq. Are they navy pilots sitting on a destroyer and flying combat missions ? That would be relatively safe since the enemy doesn''t have planes to fight us with.

[ranger1948]

stopkiffing
Since you want to run your mouth lets hear about your long line of accomplishments in life ? Kindergarten doesn''t count.

[samthetvcat]

---"Are they navy pilots sitting on a destroyer and flying combat missions ? That would be relatively safe since the enemy doesn''t have planes to fight us with."---
Posted by ranger1948

Yeah good question - with McCain being a presidential nominee now, I wouldn''t be surprised if they''re treated like Prince Harry (with more security than everybody else, but nothing assured) . . . I guess it is what it is . . .

Bob Barr used to be in Congress or something - I thought if Hillary got the nomination he was somebody I might consider. Here is some of his positions (from his website):

%u201CI want to end the artificial control of the economy and end burdensome taxation; take a hard look at cutting cabinet positions; reduce the cost of the occupation of Iraq by beginning the process of removing the security blanket from the Iraqi regime . . . return respect for habeas corpus; reinstate the rule of law; stop the warrantless surveillance of American citizens; and remedy the abuses of the Patriot Act. . . .%u201D

http://blog.bobbarr2008.com/

[ranger1948]

With the support Hillary has been given by the democratic party i think she should become an independent. The Clintons have their faults like anyone else but at least when Bill left office our economy was doing great. I would hope Hillary could fix the problems we have here at home and with the government.

[ranger1948]

Sam the rv cat
He does sound a lot like Ron Paul. Maybe they should team up and run as independents. I think the problem is if you don''t have big money backing you you can''t possibly win. I had a friend in the military. He was black but didn''t see color. Could get anyone to do anything he wanted. He was known all over the world and if he were alive today i would vote for him for president. Unfortunately he died and wasn''t rich. He was one of the greatest people i ever knew. I never knew anyone who knew him and didn''t like him.

[ranger1948]

Samthetvcat
As for Prince Harry, he was serving on the front lines asa a forward air controller dire4cting air strikes on enemy positions. That is not a safe job and i respect him for having the courage to serve like that. Our leaders could take lessons from him. I think he will make a great king someday.

[samthetvcat]

Ranger, I''m about to fall asleep on the keyboard - I''ve enjoyed hearing your thoughts as always, but have to call it a night zzzzzzzzzz (lol)

PS They sort of had that in California with a recall of the Governor and hundreds of people ran for the position, but funny it did end up going to the richest person in the race (Arnold Schwarzenegger). Yeah, it''s kind of telling that all the 3 candidates are multi-millionaires, with 2 of the three being REALLY rich :o

[ranger1948]

Samthetvcat
I don''t think John Edwards is presidential materal, after richardson betrayed the Clintons who had been loyal to him, i wouldn''t trust him, as for the others i do not know them so have no opinion on them.

[ranger1948]

Samthetvcat
Nice talking with you even if we have different opinions on who should be president i respect your right to your choices.

[ranger1948]

stn_sage
I think the democratic party makes itself look bad by backing obama.

[stn_sage]

stn_sage
I don''''t believe in parties to begin with. If we had parties that would represent the people the way they want then i would agree they are a good thing to have. We vote every four years and none of our officials have done what the American public wants done. I can not see giving my vote blindly to any party. I look at the issues and want to vote for who will lead us in the best manner.

Posted by ranger1948 at 03:59 AM : May 11, 2008
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My response: I AGREE! The ''party'' system is doing little to nothing to improve the avg citizen''s life!

[stn_sage]

stn_sage
I think the democratic party makes itself look bad by backing obama.

Posted by ranger1948 at 04:26 AM : May 11, 2008
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My response: I know a lot of people feel/think this!
He''s not my first pick. He''s the best of the two candidates standing. If ever there was an election defined as the ''lesser of two evils''---from the semi-finals through the finals---this is it! It''s hold your nose and vote, or don''t vote. Or, when things get bad enough---revolution! Hopefully, it doesn''t come to that!!

[tbweb]

Clinton Has Become A Conservative Populist

I''m not so sure about this articles conclusions. My take on Sen. Clinton is she wants to win "at any price!" and is migrating to where the voters are who will support her whether she historically agreed with the agenda of those voters or not! For me the saying "keep it simple stupid applies!", a.k.a. KISS! What does that mean in this context? Sen. Clinton is having problems managing her campaigns finances, has borrowed millions on numerous occasions from her personal funds to keep her campaign going. Pres. Bush was also a business failure and his business failures has translated into U.S. economic failures as well. If Sen. Clinton can''t successfully manage her own campaign finances and needs to borrow money, she can''t manage the finances of the United States either and will need to continue the embarrassing policy of borrowing money from Communist China no less to keep the U.S. going! The U.S. made the mistake with Pres. Bush thinking his business failures would not translate into American failures but it has and the same will be true for Sen. Clinton! If a person is not good with managing finances, money or economics, changing their job title doesn''t make some magic happen to give them that ability!!

[ranger1948]

stn_sage
That is what i am thinking about, if it gets any worse or obama gets elected i am afraid we are headed for a revolution. I personally think Hillary is the best choice of the three. At least when Bill was in office he left the country with a great economy. I would hop[e she would do the same. My first choice is Ron Paul.

[ranger1948]

tbweb
I think the biggest problem with bush is he has developed a God complex and believes his own lies that everything is ok. If we were all stinkibng rich like him it would be ok.

[ranger1948]

stn_sage
I wrote my senators last week and told them the American people are tired of waiting for change and if i didn''t see change by november i would be looking for all new blood to elect to run our government. I hope everyomne else will also write this message to their senators. I do not want to see a revolution in opur country. We already have enough problems.

crat3 wrote:
Obama will crash and burn in November and the Democratic Party will be a train wreck in November. I will vote McCain. McCain will be president and it will be four more years of Bush under McCain. Media tyranny and black racism must be defeated.

Whether or not crat3''s prediction winds up being correct, I find his principled position entirely persuasive. My distaste for Obama and, especially, the institutions skewing the results in his favor is so great that I am willing to pay the price of a McCain presidency to help set my Democratic Party back on the right track. That price will be high but so are the stakes.

[stn_sage]

ranger1948 -

First, I hope you get some type of response from your rep.. I wrote one a couple years ago and got NONE!

Second, there''s nothing sacred about any of our elected officials! I''ve said for years, they should produce or be voted out-of-office! So, I''d join you in that effort.

Third, of all the Republicans, I''d say Paul is the most honest! He''s definitely tried to live his life and run his family by those values he espouses! But, he told the truth in debates and extremist GOPers couldn''t stand it!

Fourth, it can''t help but to get worse! We haven''t even hit bottom yet! Some people laugh at the suggestion of a revolution/uprising here in America, but if things got bad enough, it could happen here!

Finally, whereas ''doing good'' was the primary concern of the Clintons'' in the 1990s---knowing they''d get something for it personally. The Clintons'' of the 21st century have CHANGED---and changed a LOT!

NOW,---due probably to what they perceive as the unfair way they were treated while Bill was prez, and how much everbody ''owes'' them (self-entitlement), they are MOSTLY concerned about PROFITING from office! They''ve become nearly identical to GWB!

[ranger1948]

stn_sage
I have seen this situation happen in other countries and it could happen in the U.S. I believe obama to be a racist and at least a sympathyzer to the terrorist sincve he sent his cousin in Africa $1.000.000 to help overthrow a govt there. His association wih wright, the church, farakhan, jackson, black panthers and the mobster is too much coincidence to take a chance of his being in the white house. If he does get elected i think there are enough white radical grous that will not accept a black president that will take him out. I am a retired soldier. I fought my war, now i only want to enjoy retirement and make sure the country stays stable so my children and grandchildren can have a great life also.

[ranger1948]

stn_sage
It has been a wekk since i wrote and i have not received one response and really didn''t exp[ect too. At least they can''t say they weren''t warned that they would lose votes and be voted out of office.

[sharncedar]

This was a funny article - it seems what he is saying is that Hillary is just as much a genuine honest conservative populist as all the others -which means a complete liar who pretends to sympathize with the dumb yokels who imagine themselves in "small-town America" (there is no such thing anymore).

These wanna-be yokels are responsible for Bush and the Iraq war, and basically are a drag. Too stupid for democracy.

[mcvet]

These Nazi Rags are beyond belief!! They are afloat with a motor when you take away the wedge issue. When it becomes PLAIN that smear and trashing will NOT get it done this time, they just wander in and out... never addressing the MOUNTAIN of Problems we face... PROBLEMS that BOTH Democrat Canidates had positions on SO simular than they didn''t even bother to talk about them. Sorry all you swastika huggers... it''s just not going to float this time. Sieg Heil Rush!!

[mcvet]

I wrote my senators last week and told them the American people are tired of waiting for change and if i didn''''t see change by november i would be looking for all new blood to elect to run our government. I hope everyomne else will also write this message to their senators. I do not want to see a revolution in opur country. We already have enough problems.


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Posted by ranger1948 at 06:25 AM : May 11, 2008
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What good will that do when ANY moves they make face a LOSER of a PRESIDENT who will VETO it and who''s party is so spineless they will NOT override it?? Bush is a complete and absolute failure as a PRESIDENT and a LEADER of this there can be no question but his PARTY?? There''s one I don''t understand. The PEOPLE couldn''t have sent them a stronger message last election... IT WAS LOUD. Yet the continued to defy the wishes of those people... they continued to back the WORST in our history to the hilt. THEY are the ones that must go!!

[mergatroid_4]

Wow, everyone just calm down ..., geez!

[obamaslady]

Who is more manly? (James Carville: "If she gave him one of her cojones, they''d both have two.")

Well Carville (whom I used to think was quite smart, but have since learned is no more than a "Judas" assigner) just tells me that HRC is truly either a cross-dresser or even a "she-man"! Take your pick! But in either instance, I much prefer the values professed by Obama any day!