May 8, 2008
May 20 May Be Dem D-Day
Politico: Obama Might Declare Victory After Securing A Majority Of Pledged Delegates
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Play CBS Video Video Clinton Ignores Calls To Quit Despite a growing chorus for her to bow out of the race, Sen. Hillary Clinton says she will press on in her quest for the Democratic presidential nomination. Joel Brown reports.
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Video Hillary's Uphill Battle Pressure is building for Sen. Hillary Clinton to bow out of the primary race, but she has vowed to press on. Harry Smith speaks with campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe about her strategy.
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The Obama campaign pegs a winning majority at 2,025 pledged delegates and superdelegates. The Clinton campaign, on the other hand, insists the winner will need 2,209 to cinch the nomination - a tally that includes Florida and Michigan. (AP)
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Not long after the polls close in the May 20 Kentucky and Oregon primaries, Barack Obama plans to declare victory in his bid for the Democratic presidential nomination.
And, until at least May 31 and perhaps longer, Hillary Clinton’s campaign plans to dispute it.
It’s a train wreck waiting to happen, with one candidate claiming to be the nominee while the other vigorously denies it, all predicated on an argument over what exactly constitutes the finish line of the primary race.
The Obama campaign agrees with the Democratic National Committee, which pegs a winning majority at 2,025 pledged delegates and superdelegates - a figure that excludes the penalized Florida and Michigan delegations. The Clinton campaign, on the other hand, insists the winner will need 2,209 to cinch the nomination - a tally that includes Florida and Michigan.
“We don’t accept 2,025. It is not the real number because that does not include Florida and Michigan,” said Howard Wolfson, one of Clinton’s two chief strategists. “It’s a phony number.”
Wolfson said they intend to contest the DNC’s 2,025 number “every day,” as well as any declaration of victory made by Obama based upon that number, because it does not include Florida and Michigan.
In January, Clinton won both states by wide margins when Obama did not actively contest them. The two states were stripped of their delegates for holding early primaries not sanctioned by the Democratic National Committee.
Obama will not reach the 2,025 magic number on May 20. Rather, on that date he is all but certain to hit a different threshold - 1,627 pledged delegates, which would constitute a winning majority among the 3,253 total pledged delegates if Florida and Michigan are not included.
“On May 20 we’re going to declare victory,” said an Obama senior advisor who asked that his name be withheld to speak candidly, adding that after those contests they will be “the ones with the most pledged delegates and the most popular votes.”
While the nature of that declaration of victory is “still developing,” in the advisor’s words, the Obama campaign contends that the winner of a majority of pledged delegates should be the party nominee.
“Senator Obama, our campaign and our supporters believe pledged delegates is the most legitimate metric for determining how this race has unfolded,” wrote Obama campaign manager David Plouffe Wednesday in a memo to superdelegates. “It is simply the ratification of the DNC rules - your rules - which we built this campaign and our strategy around.”
But the Clinton campaign’s insistence on counting Florida and Michigan would alter not only the overall delegate math, but the pledged delegate math as well. Because if the two states are included in the count, the total number of pledged delegates would rise from 3,253 to 3,566 - which means the magic number for a majority rises to 1,784, not 1,627 as the Obama campaign asserts.
By hewing to that interpretation, the Clinton campaign would thus be able to raise doubts about a May 20 declaration of victory by Obama.
Since the earliest possible resolution of the Florida/Michigan dispute is May 31, when the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee will meet in Washington to address petitions from Michigan and Florida DNC members, the 11-day period between the May 20 primaries and the RBC meeting could produce a chaotic stretch where Obama claims to be the party nominee while Clinton argues otherwise.
Already, the two campaigns are gearing up for the battle.
“With the Clinton path to the nomination getting even narrower, we expect new and wildly creative scenarios to emerge in the coming days,” wrote Plouffe in his memo. “Wile those scenarios may be entertaining, they are not legitimate and will not be considered legitimate by this campaign or its millions of supporters, volunteers, and donors.”
“You can declare mission accomplished but that doesn’t mean that the mission has actually been accomplished,” Wolfson said.
By David Paul Kuhn
Copyright 2008 POLITICO
- This article is right on. You should include pledged delegate, Michigan and Florida pledged delegates. The unpledged and super delegates should take their clues from the pledged delegates that reflect the voters wishes. They should also look at whether they were big blue states that you will need in November, or small red states with cross over voters that will never vote Democratic in the fall.
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- Obama and Hillary are not that far apart in most of their ideas for moving the country forward. However, those views are considerably different than those of McCain.
ANY reasonable person that truly embraces the philosophy of the Democratic Party would support the democratic nominee once the inital disappointment of their candidate not capturing the nomination has worn off.
Therefore, anyone who has supported Obama or Hillary during this process that now states they would vote for McCain versus the democratic nominee is just showing their ignorance as far as political process if concerned and just solidifies the fact that they are prejudice regarding blacks or females holding positions of authority. - Reply to this comment
- oops! wrong link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgUj1a_nXUg&feature=related - Reply to this comment
- kstar42 thanks for the useless links and your skewd commentary...they don''t work for me,but why even bring this up NOW? It has had no signifigant effect on the outcome of either Penn. or any other primary/caucus because he was right!
As a matter of fact,the media(even FOX NOISE)was hardpressed to find people on the street to disagree with him...even McCain supporters in Penn. agree with Obama.
If you are using the outcome of Penn. as your proof then you are only fooling yourself.It even helped him close the gap in Penn.
The majority have already thought it through and spoken.No point in beating a dead horse!
Obama will have a much easier time dispatching that hoplessly confused Mr. McGoo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgUj1a_nXUg&feature=related - Reply to this comment
- Barack done pissed off the Hillary supporters and I''m sure they are seriously thinking not to vote for him....he in for a rude awakening when the GOP start attacking him....he aint seen nothing yet...
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- BE COOL KSTAR , YOUR NOT BLACK SO YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND ,,,ALL IM TRYING TO SAY IS ITS ABOUT TIME,,, NOW WHO THE BIG BOSS MAN !!!! LMAO
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Posted by eatmochickn at 12:47 PM : May 09, 2008
what makes the difference what color you are? If you don''t have the experience then why would anyone want to vote for you...because your black? - Reply to this comment
- eatmochickn you foo...you KNOW we know you are NOT black...you are a white racebaiter...nothing more...nothing less.
Go Obama!
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- VOTE OBAMA !!! TIME FOR BLACKS TO RISE ABOVE THE WHITE RACE -- ITS OUR TIME NOW !!!!
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Posted by eatmochickn at 12:14 PM : May 09, 2008
your retarded...if you would stop complaining and get a job then you would rise.... - Reply to this comment
- Obama''s Bitter Analysis: All the Bigots are Working Class.
When did he EVER call "blue collar working class" people bigots?
Please post that link.
Posted by hungry1968 at 11:37 AM : May 09, 2008
they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren%u2019t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
If you break it down...he actually called poor working class bitter bigots...
blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/04/11/obama_calls_smalltown_pennsylv.html -politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/14/obama-makes-light-of-bitter-comments-labels-them-a-distraction/ - Reply to this comment
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- HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA... YOU MCCLINTON SUPPORTERS ARE A BUNCH OF BABIES - JUST LIKE SHE IS.... AND YOU NEO-CON NAZIS ARE SHAKING IN YOUR BOOTS BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE SEN. OBAMA IS GOING TO BE OUR NEXT PRESIDENT!
IF YOU DON''T LIKE, MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY. I CAN''T WAIT TO SEE THE LOOK ON YOUR BIGOTED, PIMPLY FACES WHEN SEN. OBAMA IS SWORN IN. JUST THINK, YOUR PRESIDENT IS A N**** !!!!!!!
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- I would be willing to bet eatmochickn is a white racebaiter which makes him an irrelevent 28%er.: )
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- hungry1968 I will leave you to dispose of these hired concern trolls ;) You don''t need me.
Keep spreading the word and please don''t hesitate to use this favorite link of mine.How can anyone argue with this?
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/03/12/countdown-special-comment-sen-clinton-this-is-not-a-campaign-strategy-this-is-a-suicide-pact/#comment-548078 - Reply to this comment
- THIS WAS OAVER LONG BEFORE IT STARTED. WHAT A WASTE OF TIME, EFFORT, AND MONEY. THE DUM-CRATS THINK THEY HAVE SOMETHING WORTH SAYING- AND HAVE NOT YET AND WILL NOT EVER.
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- The only way Obama could have gotten the nomination, is if Howard Dean and his thugs discounted the votes of Florida and Michigan..The only way...Otherwise Hillary would have been nominated....Why aren''''t they have a re-vote? (see above)
Posted by JoeCoolSwat at 11:40 AM : May 09, 2008
Counting FL AND MI, Obama is WINNING the nomination. And if there was EVER any dispute about FL and MI NOT being counted, then why didn''t Hillary say about it in 2007?
Why did she AGREE in October that those votes weren''t AND SHOULDN''T count, if she wasn''t sincere? - Reply to this comment
- The only way Florida and Michigan delegates would be counted is if they followed the rules just like the rest of us!
They have to play by the rules and so does Hillary.
Sports analogy...If foul balls were homeruns the Cubs would be in first place.
If incomplete passes were touchdowns the Bears would have won the superbowl......
But my personal favorites are Hillaries own sorry excuses like this gem from yestrday...If I was republican I would have already won.
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- Oh, you were going to post his record of having named a post office and passed a bill to support efforts in the Congo?
Because that''''s ALL he''''s done, right?
Posted by RowdyTexan2 at 11:13 AM : May 09, 2008
Hillary last week promised 5 MILLION new jobs IF (never happen) she becomes a president.
When is she going to deliver on her 2000 campaign promise to bring 200,000 jobs to NY?
How many CENTURIES are we supposed to give her before she would create 5 MILLION jobs?
Hell, McCain would have us out of Iraq, before Hillary delivered on ANY of her lies, er "campaign promises". - Reply to this comment
- Exactly. Obama might as well say he''''s the new president right now. None of what he says will be true, just like everything else that he says. I remember months Obama said this about Hillary. Now he is saying it about himself... Oh well, with him as President, this means that we will have yet another president that doesn''''t perform the job well enough.
Posted by in_correct at 11:10 AM : May 09, 2008
You''re worried about who is more honest, AND you support Hillary Clinton?!?!
What a contradiction that is!!!!! - Reply to this comment


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