May 11, 2008

The Price Of Bananas

Steve Kroft On How Colombian Paramilitaries Landed A U.S. Corporation In Hot Water

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    Chiquita Brands International says it paid murderous paramilitaries in Colombia to protect its employees there, but the families of civilians killed by the paramilitaries fault the company for their deaths. Steve Kroft reports.

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(CBS)  For American corporations, the rewards of doing business abroad are enormous, but so are the risks. And over the past 25 years no place has been more perilous than Colombia, a country that is just beginning to emerge from the throes of civil war and narco-terrorism.

Chiquita Brands International of Cincinnati, Ohio, found out the hard way. It made millions growing bananas there, only to emerge with its reputation splattered in blood after acknowledging it had paid nearly $2 million in protection money to a murderous paramilitary group that has killed or massacred thousands of people.

As correspondent Steve Kroft reports, the Colombian government is now talking about extraditing Chiquita executives to Colombia, and investigators in Bogota and on Capitol Hill are looking at other U.S. companies that may have done the same thing.


From the air, the plains of the Uraba region are carpeted with lush foliage of banana plantations, which have long provided a livelihood for the people of northern Colombia. And for the better part of century, its best known product has been the Chiquita banana.

But since the 1980's, the business of bananas there has been punctuated with gunfire. First, the area was taken over by Marxist guerillas called the "FARC," whose ruthlessness at killing and kidnapping was exceeded only by the private paramilitary army that rose up to fight them. Chiquita found itself trying to grow bananas in the middle of a war, in which the Colombian government and its army were of no help.

"These lands were lands where there was no law. It was impossible for the government to protect employees," says Fernando Aguirre, who became Chiquita's CEO long after all this happened.

Aguirre says the company was forced to pay taxes to the guerillas when they controlled the territory in the late 1980s and early 90s. When the paramilitaries, known as the "AUC," moved in in 1997 they demanded the same thing.

"Did the paramilitaries state, specifically to you, that if you didn't make the payments, your people would be killed?" Kroft asks.

"There was a very, very strong signal that if the company would not make payments, that things would happen. And since they had already killed at least 50 people, employees of the company, it was clear to everyone there that these guys meant business," Aguirre says.

Chiquita only had a couple of options and none of them were particularly good. It could refuse to pay the paramilitaries and run the risk that its employees could be killed or kidnapped, it could pack up and leave the country all together and abandon its most profitable enterprise, or it could stay and pay protection, and in the process, help finance the atrocities that were being committed all across the countryside.

"These were extortion payments," Aguirre says. “Either you pay or your people get killed.”

"And you decided to pay," Kroft remarks.

"And the company decided to pay, absolutely," Aguirre says.

There was no doubt in the company's mind that the paramilitaries were very bad people, Aguirre says.

Just how bad was already becoming evident. The paramilitaries, who were funded initially by large landowners, and later by the cocaine trade, not only drove the Marxist guerillas from the area, they tried to eliminate anyone who might have leftist sympathies, from labor leaders to school teachers. Sometimes entire villages were wiped out in the most grisly fashion. Gloria Cuartes was the mayor of Apartado, and witnessed much of it with her own eyes.

"I was a mayor whose job was just to gather the dead," Cuartes says.

In 1996 she went to a school to talk to the children about the violence that surrounded them. While she was there, the paramilitaries arrived and murdered a 12-year-old boy, whose only crime had been to announce their presence.

"They cut off his head, and they threw the head at us," Cuartes remembers. "I went into a state of panic. They were there for four hours, with their weapons, firing shots toward the ceiling. One hundred girls and boys were with me. The children did not scream. They were in shock."

Asked if they said anything to her, Cuartes says, "No. Their language was death. Their message was that if they could do this to children, they could do it to me."

As the atrocities piled up all across the country, Chiquita continued to make the payments to the paramilitaries, viewing itself as a victim of the violence, not a facilitator.

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by walt1944-2009 May 8, 2008 4:48 PM PDT
The Great Emperor Bush II is upset with CBS 60 Minutes for showing a segment involving the deceit and extortion that goes on in Columbia.

The Great Emperor fears that if Congress sees this segment, it will doom any hope he has for CFTA to be passed, even if the Great Pretender, "Bagdad John McBush" McCain becomes Great Emperor. Then how will the Great Emperor explain to his wealthy corporate buddies that they can''t more jobs to Columbia after all!

SIG HEIL, BUSH!!!!
sig heil, DEFINITELY MORE OF THE SAME, McCain!!!
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by guadalcanal3 May 8, 2008 10:07 PM PDT
Oh they did..did they?
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by prinzowhales May 9, 2008 9:04 AM PDT
Gee, today someone may well be stupid enough to believe them...but its the same old story as with United Fruit Company....which is what Chiquita was known as in the past before it was taken over by Carl Lindner...the same sinister gangster that helped his former "associate" (in the ''Walmart'' sense of the word)start up Charles Keating in his Arizona crime empire--S&L rackets--the one that gave us the infamous Keating Five...five corrupt politicians who found their way into his pocket...one of whom was named John McCain.
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by acolton1 May 9, 2008 10:23 AM PDT
DES MOINES, Iowa -- A blind Iowa man scored a perfect 300 game at the Century Lanes bowling alley on Saturday, The Storm Lake Times reported.

The Times said Dale Davis, 78, of Alta, called the game "quite a thrill." He rolled 12 back-to-back strikes, the first-ever perfect game at the Century Lanes, The Times reported.

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by acolton1 May 9, 2008 10:34 AM PDT
Did you read about:

DES MOINES, Iowa -- A blind Iowa man scored a perfect 300 game at the Century Lanes bowling alley on Saturday, The Storm Lake Times reported.

The Times said Dale Davis, 78, of Alta, called the game "quite a thrill." He rolled 12 back-to-back strikes, the first-ever perfect game at the Century Lanes, The Times reported.

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by prinzowhales May 9, 2008 10:34 AM PDT
acolton1--Obama bowled a 35...a blind 78 year old man bowled a 300. Hats off to Mr. Davis!
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by rushman71 May 9, 2008 2:17 PM PDT
Hey, Chiquita!!! Hola, way!!!! Chingao somali, ok!!! Me vali verga todo!!!
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by reply60min May 9, 2008 7:23 PM PDT
I agree with ttinsly.
read stephen kinzer''s "Overthrow: America''s Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq". google united fruit and understand how cia connections abuse power to control outside country resources (dulles, bush).
it''s going on today. read john perkins'' "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" and watch bbc world news and you will see how as predicted, wolfowitz championed the invasion, then was appointed to the world bank. the highest paid multinational oil company lawyers drafted a 400 page PSA they want iraq to sign that gives away 50% of their oil. oh, and bremmer did his part by attempting to slip in a law "allowing mineral rights to be owned by outside companies who had the right to export all the profits" days before fleeing.
Talk about forcing people to sign under pressure! officials in iraq are not free to act in their national interests (hemmed-in just like congress members who can''t/won''t investigate blackwater killings). Hasty contracts at this point is like the difference to occupied cuba between AND/OR in "the us may utilize guantanamo bay until cuba AND the u.s. agree otherwise" (1900''s).
do this: next time you hear of a iranian boat skirmish TRY to pinpoint the exact gps location on a map of the hormuz straits and territorial waters. you just may find another gulf of tonkin war lie being perpetrated.
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by vfrankli2 May 11, 2008 7:17 PM PDT
The banana barons actually reaped what they sowed. Next, do a program featuring how many deaths Chiquita and the US military are responsible for in an effort to protect the banana monopoly and the railroad built to transport the bananas.
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by May 11, 2008 7:22 PM PDT
From the case that you present, Chiquita has done nothing wrong. They''ve paid extortionists to protect their employees and their business. If they aren''t popular in Columbia, it is for other reasons. I think that there are serious problems with Chiquita, such as their use of chemicals that have endangered entire species of migratory birds, but you should go after them for things they are doing wrong. As for U.S. law making it a serious crime to pay an extortionist, I can''t wait for a case to come to court. I don''t blame Chiquita executives for lying to protect themselves from mere harassment; moreover, it''s only lying if it can be reasonably expected to deceive someone.
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by puritan9 May 11, 2008 7:26 PM PDT
The Chaquita Banana case as reported by CBS is an attempt to white wash with gobbledygook. I am ashamed that CBS has not taken a stronger honest and truthful perspective as is readily available from Democracy Now by Amy Goodman. CBS should not be complicit with our (USA) corporate controlled government, in destroying other countries for corporate profits. If CBS wants to return to the respectable stature that it once enjoyed it has to stop acting like Fox News. Guys, show some backbone stand up with responsibility to honor your profession as bestowed upon you by the Constitution. The US is being corrupted because you guys have started pandering to the politicians and stopped doing your jobs.
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by iunderstand1 May 11, 2008 7:26 PM PDT
i can''t belelive what i have just heard about these people going after chiquitia. Whos next me because i eat bananas from chiquitia. do i support terrorism for supporting chiquitia. what about the lawyers going after them do they eat these bananas and support terrorism where does it end?
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by FileMakerGuru May 11, 2008 7:27 PM PDT
If Chiquita grows bananas in the United States, they also have to pay extortion payments (property tax) or choose the barrel of a gun (jail) or the loss of their land. Similarly, the taxes support foreign occupation (Iraq war) by scary men with guns wearing camouflage (US Armed Services). We can conclude Chiquita continues business in Columbia because Columbia''s extortion fees are cheaper than US extortion fees.

Alan Smith
Austin, TX
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by estabwary May 11, 2008 7:35 PM PDT
Everyone should google United Fruit Comapany and Standard Fruit Company to read the long, long histories of getting bananas to your stores. Not the company PR sites, the investigative stories. It is a education.
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by FileMakerGuru May 11, 2008 7:37 PM PDT
If Chiquita grows bananas in the United States, they also have to pay extortion payments (property tax) or choose the barrel of a gun (jail) or the loss of their land. Similarly, the taxes support foreign occupation (Iraq war) by scary men with guns wearing camouflage (US Armed Services). We can conclude Chiquita continues business in Columbia because Columbia''s extortion fees are cheaper than US extortion fees.

Alan Smith
Austin, TX
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by allthetime24 May 11, 2008 7:41 PM PDT
Of course the lawyers are lining up to bring down a company that was up front and honest about what was extortion money. If Chiquita didn''t pay and one employee was killed the lawyers would be lining up to sue Chiquita for being negligent to their keep employes safe.
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by mia_b54 May 11, 2008 7:41 PM PDT
Chiquita is guilty guilty guilty. I will find other ways to get my Potasium. They should have pulled out and found another less tortuous place to grow bananas. Americans do not give over to terriorists under any circumstances. That money is BLOOD money. All American companies doing business in such a manner should pay dearly. On this Mother''s Day my heart aches for the Mother that lost her 12 year old son. Americans need to come together and boycott all companies doing business abroad and paying anything other than a fair wage and fair benefits. Those busineses have an out. There are other places to go to conduct their business in a reasonable manner. I will not buy chiquita bananas ever again. Shame on them.
Mia
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by iaspire May 11, 2008 7:42 PM PDT
THe Translation of Gloria Cuartes, the mayaor of Partado, contained gross mistatements. As part of her interview, she began to describe a scene in which a 12 year-old child was beheaded.

At oone point, the English translation of her interview stated the following: "100 hundred girls and boys were with me," when in fact, what she said in Spanish was the following, " I saw how the animals ate the bodies of the people."

I am very concerned with the inaccurate translation. I fear it may have been changed because her eyewitness account of what happened may have been too disturbing for viewers. If this was the reason why, it disturbs me to know that a story was not aired in a truthful and accurate manner. I hope 60 minutes and the producer, Andy Court, will issue a correction and an explanaition.

Jose Rene
Hartford, CT
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by estabwary May 11, 2008 7:44 PM PDT
typos, sorry.
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by estabwary May 11, 2008 7:45 PM PDT
Check out molasses for potassium. You can add it to many things.
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by agentglaser May 11, 2008 7:46 PM PDT
Check out the www.affectedmovie.com My name is Jason Glaser and my production company Catawampus Films is tackling this and other related issues in our upcoming film ''The Affected''. We''re working with Stephen Kinzer, Noam Chomsky and the very people who have been affected by practices like this one and others that are far worse.

On our site, www.affectedmovie.com you can see a list of books by very respectable writers that discuss this and other related issues.

The history of United Fruit Company''s (name later changed to Chiquita) actions in Latin America are fairly damning. This ''extortion'' payment shows once again the collusion between U.S. multinationals, the US government (why wasn''t there a trial? Why is paying a fine good enough?) and much of the ''free'' press. Take a look at where Chiquita''s old CEO ended up, that''s right, head of Sun-Times media group.

If you''re interested in looking for solutions and sick of just pointing the finger check out our site...we''re sick of the blame game too.
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by blackwater66-2009 May 11, 2008 7:48 PM PDT
A company has got to do what it has to do to make a dollar and if buying protection does that, than it is their choice to that I guess. They should have contacted us first .....
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by agentglaser May 11, 2008 7:50 PM PDT
Check out the www.affectedmovie.com My name is Jason Glaser and my production company Catawampus Films is tackling this and other related issues in our upcoming film ''The Affected''. We''re working with Stephen Kinzer, Noam Chomsky and the very people who have been affected by practices like this one and others that are far worse by those who produce and transport our food.

The history of United Fruit Company''s (name later changed to Chiquita) actions in Latin America are fairly damning. This ''extortion'' payment shows once again the collusion between U.S. multinationals, the US government (why wasn''t there a trial? Why is paying a fine good enough?) and much of the ''free'' press. Take a look at where Chiquita''s old CEO ended up, that''s right, head of Sun-Times media group.

On our site you find links to podcasts, books and films that discuss related issues by respected authors, journalists, and filmmakers.

If you''re interested in looking for solutions and sick of just pointing the finger check out our site...we''re sick of the blame game too.

There is something fundamentally wrong when the production of food, which is meant to nourish, kills and poisons those that produce and consume it!
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by iaspire May 11, 2008 7:52 PM PDT
THe Translation of Gloria Cuartes, the mayaor of Partado, contained gross mistatements. As part of her interview, she began to describe a scene in which a 12 year-old child was beheaded.

At oone point, the English translation of her interview stated the following: "100 hundred girls and boys were with me," when in fact, what she said in Spanish was the following, " I saw how the animals ate the bodies of the people."

I am very concerned with the inaccurate translation. I fear it may have been changed because her eyewitness account of what happened may have been too disturbing for viewers. If this was the reason why, it disturbs me to know that a story was not aired in a truthful and accurate manner. I hope 60 minutes and the producer, Andy Court, will issue a correction and an explanaition.

Jose Rene
Hartford, CT
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by cbs105 May 11, 2008 7:54 PM PDT
walt 1944 has seriously false logic. no matter hoe it is cut, gwb & McCain are moderates.

but lets get down to bananas. its been found that chavez has been supporting the FARC, and ecuador too. Chavez needs to be brought to justice and morales in ecuador. The monroe doctrine provides for non foriegn involvement in the americas. socialism is a european phenom. chavez needs to be brought in, tried and shot, any socialist must face the same end. socialism & dictatorships are all european political phenoms, as is feudalism.

Had GWB been the leader this nation needs, imanutjob & chavez would have made it 200 miles out of JFK airport after the UN mtg. That is leadership America sorely lakes. We need a Polk in the white house.
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by agentglaser May 11, 2008 7:57 PM PDT
Check out www.affectedmovie.com My name is Jason Glaser and my production company Catawampus Films is tackling this and other related issues in our upcoming film ''The Affected''. We''re working with Stephen Kinzer, Noam Chomsky and the very people who have been affected by practices like this one and others that are far worse.

The history of United Fruit Company''s (name later changed to Chiquita) actions in Latin America are fairly damning. This ''extortion'' payment shows once again the collusion between U.S. multinationals, the US government (why wasn''t there a trial? Why is paying a fine good enough?) and much of the ''free'' press. Take a look at where Chiquita''s old CEO ended up, that''s right, head of Sun-Times media group.

On our site you find links to podcasts, books and films that discuss related issues by respected authors, journalists, and filmmakers.

If you''re interested in looking for solutions and sick of just pointing the finger check out our site...we''re sick of the blame game too.

There is something fundamentally wrong when the production of food, which is meant to nourish, kills and poisons those that produce and consume it!
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by markbloom1 May 11, 2008 8:10 PM PDT
Bananas don''t kill...

Given the enormous power of Chiquita Brand, and its ability to shut down the Cincinnati Enquirer, including the burial of all research and notes from the Enquirer''s expose, I can understand why Steve Kroft and CBS would want to tread lightly on this story.
Still it is sad that Kroft provided no historical context of Chiquita/United Fruit abysmal record in the region, from massacres to worker intimidation. United Fruit was even able to persuade Eisenhower to overthrow a democratic government in Guatemala, inaugurating nearly a half century of terror.
Kroft allowed Chiquita to portray itself as the poor victim of extortion, defending its workers. (That would be a historical first.) He never looked into current allegations of human rights abuses by Chiquita.
I suppose CBS was intimidated by Chiquita''s vast legal army. Still it would be nice to air the full story on Chiquita.
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by as141 May 11, 2008 8:25 PM PDT
Wow, they can keep there bannanas, Iam wondering about delmonte and dole as well.
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by agentglaser May 11, 2008 8:42 PM PDT
To Mark Bloom,

The hopes you have are found in our film. Before we deal with present day issues like the Nemagon cases or these issues in Colombia we are taking the viewer through a history of United Fruit Company (Chiquita) so people understand the depth of their meddling both in our own domestic politics but also in those of sovereign nations.

We''re even looking into the Cincinnati Enquirer story.
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by garygrunson May 11, 2008 8:47 PM PDT
The 60 minutes story about Chiquita Brands, you forgot to mention the history of corruption over 100 years.
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by cbsblogger May 11, 2008 9:26 PM PDT
Without the incentive of money and greed US corporations are nothing. They would sell out a country, or anything or anyone for another dollar. The problem is they underhandedly lead the policies of our government especially under the Bush led GOP. The article forgot to mention the predecessor of Chiquita, United Fruit Co. which was notorius for years as an instigator unethical policies in that area.
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by liberalme May 11, 2008 9:56 PM PDT
Because most of what we buy in this country IS imported, we are all guilty of supporting terrorists and Slave Labor (sweat shops).

Apparently the story about Nike wasn''t enough for most of us, we see it, we want it, we buy it.

The only people who can stop it is us--I for one, will not purchase imported produce.
What ever happened to growing our own and canning? It was good enough for most of our parents--we can sit here and moan and complain--but that isn''t going to fix anything!
They have hurt us in our pocketbooks, we can hurt them in theirs--it just takes a little more work.
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by liberalme May 11, 2008 9:57 PM PDT
Jason Glaser--your trailer doesn''t work, I would like to see it sometime when it''s working.
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by agentglaser May 11, 2008 9:57 PM PDT
Check out www.affectedmovie.com My name is Jason Glaser and my production company Catawampus Films is tackling this and other related issues in our upcoming film ''''The Affected''''. We''''re working with Stephen Kinzer, Noam Chomsky and the very people who have been affected by practices like this one and others that are far worse.

The history of United Fruit Company''''s (name later changed to Chiquita) actions in Latin America are fairly damning. This ''''extortion'''' payment shows once again the collusion between U.S. multinationals, the US government (why wasn''''t there a trial? Why is paying a fine good enough?) and much of the ''''free'''' press. Take a look at where Chiquita''''s old CEO ended up, that''''s right, head of Sun-Times media group.

On our site you find links to podcasts, books and films that discuss related issues by respected authors, journalists, and filmmakers.

If you''''re interested in looking for solutions and sick of just pointing the finger check out our site...we''''re sick of the blame game too.

There is something fundamentally wrong when the production of food, which is meant to nourish, kills and poisons those that produce and consume it!
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by cbsblogger May 11, 2008 10:17 PM PDT
The best thing that could ever happen to the USA would be to change the culture from our media driven "Consumer driven economy" to a savings driven economy. The result would reduce personal debt, strengthen the dollar, reduce stress to the environment, reduce influence of corporations, and allow Americans to enjoy a generally more satisfying lifestyle with a reduced dependence on things and increased exposure to friendships and experiences.
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by joandavis2 May 11, 2008 10:21 PM PDT
Maybe they should extradite all the people connected with the Olympics? The non freedom rights in china is no cause to celebrate the Olympics there? If you do well as guess your as guilty as Chiquita Brands!
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by gce65 May 11, 2008 10:32 PM PDT
Isn''t Chiquita just a successor to United Fruit Co, the old monopoly that''s enslaved millions and killed tens of thousands across Latin America to maintain their power?
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by andylance1 May 11, 2008 10:35 PM PDT
Since 1997, The USA has sent 603.4 million to Colombia for military and police assistance and 751.3 million to Colombia for economic and social assistance.

This financial aid to the Colombian government has been extremely effective in stopping the terrorists of FARC and the para-military forces. The city of Medellin, once known as the murder capital of the world, now has fewer homicides than Washington, D.C.

What is most puzzling is that Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic leadership is against the trade agreement with Colombia. Pelosi has said she is concerned about the treatment of Colombian workers and labor union leftists say they are troubled by the assassination of trade unionists even though the killings have dropped dramatically in recent years. All this does is give Hugo Chavez a big boost, hurts our relationship with Colombia and damages our reputation throughout Latin America.
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by ontheleft May 12, 2008 12:52 AM PDT
"damages our reputation throughout Latin America."

Posted by andylance1 at 10:35 PM


Your way too funny. As if we had a good reputation down there to begin with.
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by faustoduarte-2009 May 12, 2008 12:55 AM PDT
Very good article. I have some annotations. First, paramilitaries were right from the beginning supported by drug dealers, including Pablo Escobar. Drug dealers were joined by landowners, bussinessmen, and even some members of Colombian army. Very poweful people has had ties with paramilitaries.For example, many allies of current president, Alvaro Uribes, have been shown to have ties with paramilitaries. About 100 Congressmen, most of them of Uribe''s parties, are now in jail or investigated because of their ties with paramilitaries. The conclussion of many Colombians today is that paramilitaries conquered power through current president Alvaro Uribe. The bad thing is that Bush''s goverment has supported Uribe because Uribe supported fiercely Irak''s war, and because Uribe is opposed to the "left" wave in the continent (Chavez, etc). The good news is that US Democrats are finally paying close attention to what is going on inside Colombia, and they have used the proposed free-trade US-Colombia deal to push Uribe to improve human right conditions in Colombia.
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by faustoduarte-2009 May 12, 2008 1:11 AM PDT
Gce65:"Isn''''t Chiquita just a successor to United Fruit Co, the old monopoly that''''s enslaved millions and killed tens of thousands across Latin America to maintain their power?"
Yes it is, and in 1929 the Colombian army massacred more than 3000 workers during an strike of the TroCo union. Today the paramilitaries kill union members in Colombia every month. History in Colombia is circular.
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by mwaltner1 May 12, 2008 1:31 AM PDT
Thank you, CBS, for airing this!

It''s about time some of these multi-national corporations received press on this. Coca - Cola, Nike, and more need to be held accountable for this. But people need to know so they can put pressure on these companies as well.

Great job - THANK YOU!

~Mary, Chicago
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by rudy654-2009 May 12, 2008 1:42 AM PDT
Why don''t they also go after those who supply weapons to these people? Who are the gun manufacturers? Hmmmm? How interesting that they want to chop at the banana people who were getting no help from anyone, but the gun manufacturers and suppliers became pretty wealthy off the blood of campesinos...and not a word.
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by brianbwb-2009 May 12, 2008 2:03 AM PDT
"Colombian Paramilitaries Landed A U.S. Corporation In Hot Water"

Again blame it on the people who have been corrupted by centuries of European and US hegemony.

The "language of death" was taught to them as it was the only language spoken in answer to those who resisted colonialism.

Had Chiquita pulled out, perhaps we would have a greater variety of bananas in the US due to varied sources, and there would have been no need to hire mercs to murder the resistance, there would not have been any.
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by brianbwb-2009 May 12, 2008 2:06 AM PDT
%u201CEither you pay or your people get killed.%u201D

So when you pay, the resistance gets killed, either way, someone will die for your bananas.

Or you can pull out, and get bananas elsewhere.
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by deacon20081 May 12, 2008 3:08 AM PDT

Eliminate the "NAFTA" agreements and STOP BUYING PRODUCE FROM THE IDIOTS......PERIOD...

I can now see blood dripping from their Bananas in the stores in my minds eye.
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by closethippy1 May 12, 2008 3:26 AM PDT
Do you now see why the FARC is the oldest guerilla group in Latin America and why they have to act in self defense?
Do you now see why Chavez is trying to tell the US and the European Union to remove the FARC from the list of terrorist groups?
Do you have an inlking of what right wing military forces have been doing all across Latin America and not just Colombia?
Do you now understand why people like Chavez and Castro are popular throughout Latin America?
Do you know that when the Spaniards took over Latin America they made it a practice to give huge parcels of lands to few families and make these families the rulers of whatever country they carved out for themselves? And how all you had to do to get hanged by your balls is to ask for better treatment?
Do any of you have a clue as to what happened in Latin America and what''s going on?
Do you even care? Or is it enough for you just to follow whatever the freaking State Department along with the media elite says and to hell with the rest of the world?
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by juwboy May 12, 2008 5:19 AM PDT
closethippy1 asked:

"Do any of you have a clue as to what happened in Latin America?"

Yes. It was no different to what happened anywhere else in the Spanish Empire or even in Spain itself.

Anyone suspected of heresy i.e. any non-Catholic, was hauled before the Inquisition and their wrists were tied together behind their backs. They were then suspended by the wrists via a rope and pulley system and yanked up and down. They were not interrogated, but every word they said was recorded by a scribe.

If they confessed their heresy, i.e. confessed to being a Jew, Moslem or Protestant, they were set free if they agreed to convert to Roman Catholicism.

If they did not convert or did not inform the Inquisitors what their religion was, they were condemned to death by burning.

The burning of heretics was the weekend recreational pastime for Spaniards, analogous to our attendance at a ball game. The burnings took place in stadia dedicated for the purpose. Programs, detailing the order of events were sold as was the medieval equivalent of fast food.

The execution by burning of shipwrecked, Protestant, English sailors, led to war between England and Spain.
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by honestabe8 May 12, 2008 7:38 AM PDT
The story on bananas isn''t all that a-peel-ing.

Regarding the Columbian drug trade, this is a natural outgrowth of prohibition.
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by daabbey May 12, 2008 8:17 AM PDT
I am confused%u2026 it%u2019s ok for the United States to pay (bribe) the Iraq militias and the Afghan tribal leaders, but it%u2019s not OK for Chiquita to pay the militia in Columbia. Like I said, I am confused are we hypocrites or just confused.



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