Polygamy Sect Mom's Newborn In Custody

Teen Mother's Second Son, Born This Week, Is In The Custody Of The State

(AP)  A judge ordered that the baby boy born to a teenager taken from a polygamist sect's ranch in West Texas be placed in state custody, according to documents released Thursday.

Texas District Judge Barbara Walther signed the order Wednesday giving the state custody of the 1-day-old infant born to a teen believed to be 15 or 16 years old.

The girl has claimed to be 18 and based on a bishop's record used during the custody hearing two weeks ago, she would be 18 now. But officials believe she is younger and placed her in foster care with other children taken from the ranch.

The newborn is the teen's second child; the first is a 20-month-old boy. The father of both children was identified as Jackson Jessop, 22, but state officials say they don't know his whereabouts.

Child welfare officials now have 464 children in their custody, swept from the Yearning For Zion Ranch in Eldorado because authorities believe underage girls were forced into marriages and sex with older men. Authorities are also now investigating possible sexual abuse of boys.

Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints members have vehemently denied there was any abuse, and civil liberties groups have raised concerns at the sweeping nature of the removals.

FLDS spokesman Rod Parker said the girl who gave birth was reclassified as a minor by CPS when the children were moved from the San Angelo Coliseum to foster facilities last week. He said he believes some of the girls, including possibly the one who gave birth, are over 18 but told authorities they were minors so they could stay with the very young children. Minors with children were placed in the foster care facilities together.

"There's a little bit of fighting fire with fire," Parker said.

Individual custody hearings are set to be completed by June 5.

CPS and law enforcement raided the ranch on April 3 after a girl claiming to be 16 called a domestic abuse hotline to complain of abuse at the hands her much older husband. Authorities are investigating whether the calls were a hoax.

Regardless, child welfare authorities say 31 of the 53 girls aged 14-17 have children or are pregnant.

According to bishop's records filled out in March 2007 by heads of household at the ranch, there were eight wives under the age of 18 listed in 35 households. Several entries omitted ages of wives, however.

Parker said he had never seen the bishop's records that were introduced at the hearing and couldn't talk about them specifically. He said there was no indication whether the relationships began in Texas or in Utah, which he said has different standards for what constitutes abuse.

Under Texas law, children under the age of 17 generally cannot consent to sex with an adult. A girl can get married with parental permission at 16, but the girls who belong to the sect are not believed to have legal marriages.

The bishop's records released Thursday were used by CPS to demonstrate a pattern of abuse justifying the removal of all FLDS children in a hearing two weeks ago. The records indicate that about two-thirds of the ranch's households were polygamous while the others were young couples or traditional nuclear families.

Several family lists included dozens of wives and children, including one that listed 21 wives ranging in age from 24 to 79 for a 67-year-old man.

FLDS is a breakaway sect of the mainline Mormon church, which disavowed polygamy more than a century ago.

[usmcvn2]

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So are they going to take custody of the City of Detroit? Seems like it''''''''''''''''s in worse shape than this group and no one seems to care. "


Diffenrant "cult". Its the SLAP "A HOE TRIBE" in Detroit.

[scorpio59er]

It''s a tossup as to which one will be worse for this baby: Being raised by a cultist, or by the state that gave us Dubya.

[mythoughtsr]

What are you? A lesbiian against men or something who believes all relationships are rape??? I think so, sweety pie. No, it is absolutely wrong to take this baby away from this woman/girl. But CPS is having literal orgamss over doing such things.

Posted by rudy654

Oh and I wouldn''t be seen DEAD WITH an lesbian let alone be one. Stupid freaks. I am a VERY happily married (ONE man ONE woman, the ONLY acceptable way) not the rapist cult you support. You are probably making your story up to try and make yourself sound good. It''s NOT WORKING

[mythoughtsr]

If the only way to make yourself right is to hand out insults like communist brainwasher, go right ahead sweety, but you don''''t earn any points with anyone except idiots like yourself. The other day in a school in my town a girl turned up pregnant, she is only 15, her boyfriend is 22 years old. Law enforcement hasn''''t arrested him, nor will the girl lose her child. Yet, this woman in this case maybe 18. It is being disputed, but until there is proof contrary, I am not accepting CPS'''' word for it. Her "husband" (she may be married is 22) yet you have him labeled as a pervert. What are you? A lesbiian against men or something who believes all relationships are rape??? I think so, sweety pie. No, it is absolutely wrong to take this baby away from this woman/girl. But CPS is having literal orgamss over doing such things.

Posted by rudy654

They didn''t take the baby away from her you MORON. They put the baby ALSO into state custody. Maybe you should actually READ and LEARN. Maybe that girl in your town turned up pregnant with a 22 year old boyfriend, but you know what? I''ll bet her father only has one wife. The FLDS are lawbreakers and pedophiles. To me, there is a HUGE difference between a teen and a 7 year difference. However, what about the 14 year olds with SIXTY year old husbands? You are so blind just like your stupid, uneducated opinion. Go to hell, you supporter of rapists and pedophiles.

[rudy654-2009]

So are they going to take custody of the City of Detroit? Seems like it''''''''s in worse shape than this group and no one seems to care.

Are you kidding? Can you imagine the NAACP and the Reverend Wrights and Wrongs if the State of Michigan or the State of Illinois were to try to RAID the lives of the underaged mothers with abused children by going in with tanks and guns and removing them all to a sports arena for redistribution?


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Posted by minnick8 at 05:12 PM

Well SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rudy654-2009]

Well I didn''''t know there were too many people in here in favor of pedophiles, rapists and cults. Just because you support the raping of little girls doesn''''t mean the rest of us have to like it. Freak.


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Posted by Mythoughtsr at 10:45 PM

If the only way to make yourself right is to hand out insults like communist brainwasher, go right ahead sweety, but you don''t earn any points with anyone except idiots like yourself. The other day in a school in my town a girl turned up pregnant, she is only 15, her boyfriend is 22 years old. Law enforcement hasn''t arrested him, nor will the girl lose her child. Yet, this woman in this case maybe 18. It is being disputed, but until there is proof contrary, I am not accepting CPS'' word for it. Her "husband" (she may be married is 22) yet you have him labeled as a pervert. What are you? A lesbiian against men or something who believes all relationships are rape??? I think so, sweety pie. No, it is absolutely wrong to take this baby away from this woman/girl. But CPS is having literal orgamss over doing such things.

[mythoughtsr]

Mythoughtsr

Maybe your lack of intelligence is just staggering.

Posted by minnick8

Well I didn''t know there were too many people in here in favor of pedophiles, rapists and cults. Just because you support the raping of little girls doesn''t mean the rest of us have to like it. Freak.

[cheekygal-2009]

What a shame, our country is certifably nuts! All the freaks who do more than than this, but in purported secrecy .....

[hbevis]

hbevis, the vast majority of LDS church parishioners haven''''t been polygamous for many years. Although a minority probably does practice it, it''''s definitely not common.

You can find people of all religions breaking various laws and using mind-control, I''''m sure, but the FLDS is a very extreme version.
Posted by memerider at 05:27 PM : May 02, 2008


memerider:
Are you a member of the Mormon church? It seems that you know quite a bit about how they work.....
There are quite a number of People involved with the Mormon church that are on Law Enforcement watch list. I don''t have a full list from around the United States. I can guarantee you that these list exist. I would hope that most of these groups that are being watched will come up clean in the end. I would hope that we don''t have but few if any, like this mess in Texas. And you are 100% right about other church groups. We have them scattered all across the Country. I am sure a lot of them are unknown. But, as the become known they get looked at by Law Enforcement. This place in Texas has been under watch for some time, and they were just waiting for something to happen... And what they found was, by all accounts, a mess. If the young Girls and Boys were being abused, then the men in charge or responsible should be given the maximum that the Law can give. I am talking in addition to the sexual abuse of the young people. There are reports of broken bone''s, etc. There is no excuse for this kind of thing anywhere.

[memerider]

JB9111914 wrote "Both the FLDS and Islamic radical terrorist hide behind the same hypocrisy. Neither is associated with the spiritual realm."

Yes, mind-control is being used by those who seek power, wealth, and prestige in both cases, and they both have hi-jacked an ancient religion text they can interpret to match their agenda.

Warren Jeffs'' picture appears on the walls of the "homes" in the FLDS compound in Eldorado, much as a head-of-state would be found on the walls of government buildings. He''s viewed as the "Moses" figure--he makes and enforces his own law and everyone behaves at his pleasure.

That''s a problem with people claiming "prophet" status.

[memerider]

hbevis, the vast majority of LDS church parishioners haven''t been polygamous for many years. Although a minority probably does practice it, it''s definitely not common.

You can find people of all religions breaking various laws and using mind-control, I''m sure, but the FLDS is a very extreme version.

[memerider]

I doubt many women would argue "it''s just their religion." Bertrand Russell pointed out that many cultures have brainwashed women to be subjugated, even slaves, to the detriment of the entire culture. All people crave freedom and liberty, but mind-control processes keep them in check.

Notice how quickly Western culture is embraced by girls and women, getting some Muslim girls killed by their own fathers.

And in Iran, when the Ayotollah seized power, women had to be fought, abused/tortured, and enslaved to force them to return to ancient dress and give up their jobs and freedom.

Women are enslaved and abused in the name of religion world-wide, and it''s ignored by the men in power who say "it''s their religion."

[hbevis]

I don''''t know where you get your information, and I really don''''t want to know, but members of the mainstream Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints do not practice polygamy. Persons who are found to be in sympathy with the polygamists can be excommunicated. Persons who engage in intimacy outside of their marriage vows will be excommunicated or disfellowshipped.


Posted by minnick8 at 05:09 PM : May 02, 2008
FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT

[hbevis]

I don''''t know where you get your information, and I really don''''t want to know, but members of the mainstream Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints do not practice polygamy. Persons who are found to be in sympathy with the polygamists can be excommunicated. Persons who engage in intimacy outside of their marriage vows will be excommunicated or disfellowshipped.

Posted by minnick8 at 05:09 PM : May 02, 2008

[hbevis]

The child is still with it''''s mother - this is legal housekeeping. Since the mother is a ward of the state, so is the child.

Jeffs nephew could only do a civil suit - the statute of limitations allows a pedophile to rape a child when they are young, and so long as the parents don''''t press charges, by the time the child is grown, they can no longer press criminal charges. That is what happened here - and in so many other cases.

Posted by SusanHelit at 05:03 PM : May 02, 200

The child is still with it''''s mother - this is legal housekeeping. Since the mother is a ward of the state, so is the child.

Jeffs nephew could only do a civil suit - the statute of limitations allows a pedophile to rape a child when they are young, and so long as the parents don''''t press charges, by the time the child is grown, they can no longer press criminal charges. That is what happened here - and in so many other cases.

Posted by SusanHelit at 05:03 PM : May 02, 200

Please tell me where this law exist? I have never heard about this one. If the law finds out about an older man having S** with a young girl, the parent does not have to press charges. If fact with any criminal charge does not have anything to do with a private person. The local law takes it to the District Attorney%u2019s office and charges will be brought. If the law goes into building with a warrant of any kind and find%u2019s something else that is illegal then they can attend to that as well.

[jb9111914]

The Texas government is obligated to move forward on the FLDS just as they are doing. The State and the Fed and justice in general cannot effectively resist religious fanaticisms at home or abroad including terrorism while turning a blind eye to other law breakers. Both the FLDS and Islamic radical terrorist hide behind the same hypocrisy. Neither is associated with the spiritual realm.

[minnick8-2009]

tomr83
So are they going to take custody of the City of Detroit? Seems like it''''s in worse shape than this group and no one seems to care.

Are you kidding? Can you imagine the NAACP and the Reverend Wrights and Wrongs if the State of Michigan or the State of Illinois were to try to RAID the lives of the underaged mothers with abused children by going in with tanks and guns and removing them all to a sports arena for redistribution?

[memerider]

SusanHelit, excellent points. We now see the law needs to be amended so those who commit heinous crimes can''t hide behind the statute of limitations. Rape and molestation are, to my mind, the worst of crimes.

[minnick8-2009]

hbevis,

I don''t know where you get your information, and I really don''t want to know, but members of the mainstream Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints do not practice polygamy. Persons who are found to be in sympathy with the polygamists can be excommunicated. Persons who engage in intimacy outside of their marriage vows will be excommunicated or disfellowshipped.

[memerider]

You can see how lynchings and "witch" burnings occurred by just reading this thread. This is not a religion--it''s a sick mind-control cult that abuses boys and girls alike--dumping boys in the streets and subjecting little girls to non-intimate forced *** with older men at their whim.

The baby is still with the mother--the only change is that now the baby is officially on the list of children.

The women suffer from Stockholm Syndrome and are so used to complete dictatorship and just following orders that they lie to protect their abusers. We know from polygamy studies that women in these situations feel there is no choice, no way out, they suffer from jealousy because they are vying with a group of people for a male''s attention and are not treated like full human beings, they are publicly humiliated by the male who owns them, the males are breaking laws meant to protect women and children, and they can be reassigned to another man on a whim by Jeffs or one of his generals.

Let''s not forget what this group is.