Possible Abuse Of Sect Boys Investigated

Officials Tell Lawmakers Of Possible Sexual Abuse, Broken Bones Among Polygamist Children

(AP)  Texas officials told legislators Wednesday that they're investigating the possible sexual abuse of some young boys taken from a polygamist sect's ranch, as well as broken bones among other children.

The disclosures are the first suggestions that anyone other than teenage girls may have been sexually or physically abused at the ranch run by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, a renegade Mormon sect.

In written and oral testimony provided to lawmakers Wednesday, officials with the state Department of Family and Protective Services said interviews and journal entries suggested that boys may have been sexually abused.

Earlier, the department's commissioner, Carey Cockerell, told lawmakers that at least 41 children, some of them "very young," have evidence of broken bones.

The state has custody of 464 children from the Yearning For Zion Ranch in the west Texas prairie town of Eldorado, including a baby born to a teen mother Tuesday.

Although Cockerell didn't elaborate on the broken bones, a report by his department's Child Protective Services division said medical exams and interviews indicated "that at least 41 children have had broken bones in the past."

"We do not have X-rays or complete medical information on many children so it is too early to draw any conclusions based on this information, but it is cause for concern and something we'll continue to examine," the CPS report said.

The state Senate Health and Human Services Committee's hearing on Texas' foster care system had been planned for Wednesday before the April 3 raid on the ranch. But for the morning part of the hearing, the polygamous sect took center stage.

The state has been criticized for taking all the children from the ranch, including infants and boys, on the theory that the girls may be abused when they are teens.

State authorities raided the ranch in search of evidence of underage girls being forced into polygamous marriages. Since then, the state won temporary custody of the children, now scattered around the state in group foster-care facilities.

FLDS spokesman Rod Parker called Cockerell's testimony "a deliberate effort to mislead the public."

Although the ranch has a small medical facility, Parker said any broken bones would have been treated away from the ranch and that doctors are required to report suspected abuse.

Parker said state officials were "trying to politically inoculate themselves from the consequences of this horrible tragedy."

Cockerell told a legislative committee the investigation has been difficult because members of the church have refused to cooperate.

Mothers who stayed with their children for two weeks after the raid launched a coordinated effort to stymie investigators, coaching their children to not answer questions, Cockerell said.

He said the women and children would gather into apparent family units, with the children referring to several women as their mother, then the "women switched children in these family units ... making it difficult."

"When asked, women and children would change their names and ages," he said.

The CPS report also said authorities "tried to use bracelets to identify children, but the women and children removed the bracelets or rubbed the wording off them."

The report also said mothers at first refused to let the children undergo basic health screenings and that "many" teen girls declined to take pregnancy tests.

On Monday, CPS announced that almost 60 percent of the underage girls living on the Eldorado ranch are pregnant or already have children.

Under Texas law, children under the age of 17 generally cannot consent to sex with an adult. A girl can get married with parental permission at 16, but none of the sect's girls is believed to have had a legal marriage under state law.

Church officials have denied that any children were abused at the ranch and say the state's actions are a form of religious persecution. They also dispute the count of teen mothers, saying at least some are likely adults.

[tomanyt]

"they''re investigating the possible sexual abuse of some young boys taken from a polygamist sect''s ranch"
They need to investigate ALL religious groups!!!!

[dinodavid220]

oral testimony ......um sounds fun to me.....

[michellem99-2009]

This is so sad..Really..Why..I have asked that since I was a foster child..I got no answers..Why do they do this..Control and sexx. Ye be supprised how much goes on behind shut doors..The child/ren are told to not say a word..we were groomed to what to say/not say to a case worker. It was hell. I can *see* from the childern''s side..They are scared..Poor dears..

[obamawhama]

Posted by MichelleM99 at 04:09 PM : Apr 30, 2008
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you are forgetting on thing..we are just humans..we are more than capable to do things..as long as thier an opportunity and desire..we will do it..

[obamawhama]

"they''''re investigating the possible sexual abuse of some young boys taken from a polygamist sect''''s ranch"
They need to investigate ALL religious groups!!!!


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Posted by tomanyt at 04:07 PM : Apr 30, 2008
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because that is called ''facism''..AND when it comes down to it..YOU would complain about it (see how flawed you idea is)

[obamawhama]

If religion did not enjoy a kind of immunity from criticism, this cult and others would never been allowed to become so large a problem.


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Posted by jmcgilvray at 04:04 PM : Apr 30, 2008
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if that is true THEN WE WOULD NOT BE TALKING ABOUT THIS NOW.. would we?

[mudrose-2009]

UGH! DISGUSTING! UGH!

[obamawhama]

"its like a finger (religion) pointing towards the moon (the message of religion), DO NOT FOCUS on the finger or you will loose all of that heavenly glory"

[gwagener]

I''m not shure what they do for a living at that compound, but if it is farming, broken bones are not uncommon. An aunt of mine was chewed up by some piece of farm equipment about 80 years ago.
This is probably an indication that child labor conditions are not safe at the compound. Of course, child labor is generally agains the law, but I strongly suspect it is normal practice at the compound.

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[mudrose-2009]

Posted by lastdance116

I''m so flattered you keep my posts. You know they are snippets and not what I really say. The Rev. Right Brained and I have that much in common. Alas, peons like you don''t appreciate us.

[denn034]

Possible nothing! One only needs to talk to the Lost Boys in Utah, boys that were kicked out of the FLDS for being a threat to older men''s access to little girls, to see that abuse did occur. Some have also accused Warren Jeffs of sexually abusing a boy. As far as I''m concerned, abuse of boys and girls is a given not a mere possibility.

[mudrose-2009]

UGH! DISGUSTING! UGH!

[mudrose-2009]

"its like a finger (religion) pointing towards the moon (the message of religion), DO NOT FOCUS on the finger or you will loose all of that heavenly glory"

Posted by obamawhama

Were you raptured? We''d love to hear your story. Don''t be shy now. lastdance needs more spam.

[cpaide]

"child labor is generally agains the law, but I strongly suspect it is normal practice at the compound."
Posted by gwagener

i think it is immoral, abusive and disgusting that the mormans make their kids work in the family garden. i know i report to child protective services any person i see who makes their kid mow the lawn, take out the trash or wash dishes.

[cpaide]

"at least 41 children have had broken bones in the past."
HOWEVER
"We do not have X-rays or complete medical information."

I suppose Department of Family and Protective Services Commissioner Carey Cockerell has X-ray vision or something. Man, what happened to the other dozen "official spokespeople" who have been handling the press for the past month? Terminated, apparently, for their incompetences. Now the Commissioner is personally trying to save his own sorry @zz. Good luck with that!

Cpaide, Once again, you never answered which part of the world you live in.
Also, you made statements that case workers were fired. Nothing has been written about that, so how do you know, or did you just make it up?

Also, as another poster has mentioned, your English has improved greatly, so I would say that your handle is a group handle. How many of you are there?

[cpaide]

"Cpaide, Once again, you never answered which part of the world you live in.
Also, you made statements that case workers were fired. Nothing has been written about that, so how do you know, or did you just make it up?"
Posted by dome200q

i am everywhere, obviously. the original social workers who so prominently accused the mormans in the press are now, apparently, nowhere. what do you make of that?

[cpaide]

"Also, as another poster has mentioned, your English has improved greatly, so I would say that your handle is a group handle. How many of you are there?"
Posted by dome200q

read the bible, bro. we are many. mu ha ha.

[cpaide]

"Anyone who supports this cult group at this point is just as bad as them."
Posted by jh6379

I agree completely. Sadly, it appears that you and several other people are being mind-managed by the KLK (krazy lesbians kult), which conspired to provide a false police report that resulted in the raid on the Texas Mormons.

The objective of the KLK (whose members include the Texas social workers and judge on the case) is to obtain the humble, white Mormon children and adopt them out to infertile lesbian couples, and that is happening right now.

Once these kids are in the hands of the KLK, they''re told there is no such thing as too early for ***. Whenever the head lesbian tells them to go ''marry'' an old lesbian, that''s who they''re given to. They''re groomed to be pedophile fodder. Information presented shows that they''re given to be concubines (not wives - lesbians can''t have wives) at puberty or before, and have un-natural $ex while still children themselves.

[cpaide]

I recommend the following book for more information on the filthy violent nature of the KLK (krazy lesbians kult) which is trying to obtain control of the Mormon children:

No More Secrets : Violence in Lesbian Relationships
http://www.amazon.com/No-More-Secrets-Violence-Relationships/dp/0415929466/
"This study of abuse in lesbian relationships looks you in the eye and dares you to turn away. Far from being a prurient study of a fringe group of violent lesbians, this book demands that the queer community at large--afraid of straight disdain --recognize its accountability. No More Secrets illustrates that despite what many lesbian feminists believe, acts of violence are not committed solely by men."

Deflection of a question is an old trick but does not answer it. Where is your source? Because the spokesperson is not the same does not mean that anyone has been fired. That must mean that you are making up %u2018facts%u2019 as you go, such as your KLK ideology.

So, which part of the Mid-East do you live in?

[cpaide]

and now i go practice my english and then practice being good american by drinking too much this cheap beer and watch the lebron james and basketball contest on new plasma television that i purchase with credit card i cannot possibly afford. i love this country!

See ya, wouldnt want ta be ya.

[tommieofford]

If were just adults involved, I''d say its nobodies business.
But the accusation is that the children are involved
and all one has to realize is that these children have been taught all thier lives that this is normal behavior, they know no difference so the only way this sect can be prosecuted is if a underage girl(s)
are pregnant, then they''d have to prove who the father is and he is the only one that could be prosecuted. I just can''t think of a way they will be
able to disband a whole sect of this kind.

What a mess!

[beehive21-2009]

Your all hyper,and love BS.Texas is trying to smooth over the mistake of violating the rights of the people,like Bush, with the atom bomb Iraq never had,More BS. Texans are full of it.

[taddles-2009]

"The objective of the KLK (whose members include the Texas social workers and judge on the case) is to obtain the humble, white Mormon children and adopt them out to infertile lesbian couples, and that is happening right now.

Posted by cpaide at 05:16 PM : Apr 30, 2008"


Of course all the child protection people and the MALE judges are members of some "klk" group, how obvious, and they are all aliens and live on Venus and come to earth to collect slaves.


Wow, a little out there aren''t we, smoke crack much?

[Syndicate]

I have 3 boys. One broke his arm last November. He fell backward off a power wheels car. So 33% of my children have broken bones. Contrast this to the 10% in this sect who have broken bones. I still think the state is trying to cover their ***. Does the state of Texas arrest the parents of pregnant 15 year olds? Do they remove the girl from her parents home and place her in foster care? Obviously the parents were not providing proper supervision. They are guilty of allowing their underage daughter to be taken advantage off. Texas will get theirs in the end. I figure its worth a couple billion.

[caliengineer]

This is really part of the Satanic plan. Since at least the 1500''s, the "Illuminated Masters of Zion" have planned to revert upbringing of children to the state. Public schools were their first move. (first schools were in Germany, where the illuminati started.)

[markcfl1]

So there goes Texas CPS again. Their X-ray eyes have discovered broken bones and when they paraded their "captures" past the county fair "age and weight guesser", he confirmed what was suspected- there are 31 of 53 girls between 14 and 17 that are pregnant. And to make this case even more disgusting for any pea-brain that will believe them, there "may" have been sexual abuse of boys. Texas CPS has covered all possible crimes against children, except murder. I find it increasingly difficult to believe anything CPS spews forth. They have a serious credibility issue.

[deepperppl]

It is well known in psychiatric circles that ga/y men are NOT the ones abusing the young. The average *** offender is white, middle-aged, and straight. We''re hearing more about African Americans and Latino Americans abusing kids, but in almost all cases, they are straight. I don''t know who "they" are trying to prove and only mention ga/y men sexually abusing kids, but "they" are wrong.

[cpaide]

again, don''t take my word for it. i recommend the following book for more information on the filthy violent nature of the KLK (krazy lesbians kult) which is trying to obtain control of the mormon children:

No More Secrets : Violence in Lesbian Relationships
http://www.amazon.com/No-
More-Secrets-Violence-Relationships/dp/0
415929466/
"This study of abuse in lesbian relationships looks you in the eye and dares you to turn away. Far from being a prurient study of a fringe group of violent lesbians, this book demands that the queer community at large--afraid of straight disdain --recognize its accountability. No More Secrets illustrates that despite what many lesbian feminists believe, acts of violence are not committed solely by men."

[markcfl1]

cbscrash07- you are so correct. I have four boys and one broke his finger playing basketball, another fractured his arm playing football. This can happen when children play outdoors- something people don''t understand that have fair-skinned, pansy-a**ed kids that play violent video games all day.

[cpaide]

"Texas CPS has covered all possible crimes against children, except murder."
Posted by markcfl1

Give them time, and they''ll say that''s what happened to the (non-existent) 16-year-old girl who disappeared after she was raped in texas by the 50-year-old man (who was in arizona at the time).

[minnick8-2009]

My mother took my three younger brothers from one polygamist group to the next for a number of years back in the early 70''s. I learned years later from the oldest that, one of the group''s leaders had beaten another brother frequently with a 2 X 4. I went to court and got custody of my brothers when I was only in my mid twenties to try to get them out of polygamy. I didn''t know about the abuse at the time, but looking back that sure explains why there was such a measure of distrust and lack of communication. Even counseling did little to help because by age 14, most young people''s personalities are set.

[darnedsocks]

WOW! IT''S AMAZING HOW THOSE SECT MOTHERS CAME OUT EARLY PUTTING ON A "BIG ACT" AS THOUGH THEY WERE SO INNOCENT AND SWEET! IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO FIND OUT WHO THE ABUSERS ARE!

[dakotaclark]

Hmmm...

Older boys and men who seek sexual gratification from underage girls and/or boys are pedophiles, also known as sexual predators.

It has nothing to do with a person''s sexual preference or orientation. Rather, it is the lust for ***, any kind of ***.

More than likely, there are not any FLDS males who would consider themselves as gay. Yet, I will bet the farm there are many older males, (high school age on up), that have had some sexual encounters with younger males%u2026

The person who registers to vote, pays their taxes, sings in the choir, and has never had any trouble with law enforcement, could be a typical sexual predator.

You name the religion, and there are sexual predators among them.

Speaking of that, Warren Jeffs, who is the leader or so-called ''prophet'' of this cult, is THE prime example of a sexual predator grooming his targets, and using his position of authority to help accomplish sexual gratification.

I wonder how he is doing in jail?

Stay tuned, there WILL be more details about this.

[cpaide]

"WOW! IT''S AMAZING HOW THOSE social workers CAME OUT EARLY PUTTING ON A "BIG ACT" AS THOUGH THEY WERE SO INNOCENT AND SWEET! IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO FIND OUT WHO THE ABUSERS ARE!"
Posted by darnedsocks

Good point, but we already know that the real abusers are the social workers and the judge, all supervised by Texas Department of Family and Protective Services Commissioner, Carey Cockerell, who is supervised by the KLK.

[cpaide]

Posted by dakotaclark

you are clueless. probably a member of the KLK yourself, ya?

Again, Cpaide, you make statements (Carey Cockerell, who is supervised by the KLK) without any way to validate those facts.

Are you going to answer any past questions, like which country do you live in?

[truthalways]

CPS is getting better and better at getting sympathy from the public...everyday they are coming up with more stories or tales to justify their violations of the constitution of this country....allwe''ve got is:

"may have had broken bones from the past"

heck how many kids have had broken bones due to accidents, from faling etc???

then the worst possible..again possible...sexual abuse on boys...how can there be a possibility..either the boys were abuse or not...or cps know or know..there are no possiblities in these kind of accusations...or saying...we are not sure now but has to investigate more...coz it''s too early..what kind of nonsense is this???

who is gullible enough to believe these lies...

boy!!! you have older men abusing underage girls, then boys sexually abuse, kids bones broken....

and why no one has been jailed yet???

guess what??? no evidence yet!!!

you are getting good at persuading the public how horrible these parents have been state of Texas and CPS...everyday you come up with a story about possibilities., past broken bones...assumptions...etc

[cpaide]

"Are you going to answer any past questions, like which country do you live in?"
Posted by dome200q at 07:35 PM : Apr 30, 2008

please provide your full contact information, and i will be happy to oblige you. you are such a pathetic idiot ;^)

[tfheringer]

This cult is not a renegade part of the Mormons, these are the origional Mormons (Morons). This is what mormons use to believe. They are wrong in so many ways I have no idea about where to start, so lets just say they are not nice people.

Good point, but we already know that the real abusers are the social workers and the judge, all supervised by Texas Department of Family and Protective Services Commissioner, Carey Cockerell, who is supervised by the KLK.
Posted by cpaide at 07:10 PM : Apr 30, 2008

Did it ever occur to you that you might be wrong and that these children may have suffered untold misery? Does that ever cross your pea brain? Protecting citizen rights is important but not at the expense of children. How are you going to feel if it turns out that all they say that''s happening there really is? Your remarks here are unexcuseable.

[fabrat1]

cpaide is obsessed with lesbians. That''s all he ever talks about so after a while you just learn to ignore everything he posts.

[truthalways]

andersonk49

are you miss or mr. gullible of cps statements...one question I ask you, if these abuse have occured, can you think of why, there hasn''t been any arrests???

I can tell you why!!! Coz there is no evidence...again like I said, it''s a lot of "possibly", "too early to know", phony call and phony warrant, may be etc...

if you are really concerned about kids, just check this website informating the public where child rapists,molesters reside....

they are all around us...I guess that''s safer for kids...in houston itself where they sent these kids there are over 500,000 registered child molesters and rapists...these are the registered..now think about how many are unregistered...

if there are some crooked men at the FLDS, then go get them, jailed themm..but don''t dumped them back onto the general population in 7 years....mamking way unsafer for everyone...

www.familywatchdog.com

[truthalways]

"they''re investigating the possible sexual abuse of some young boys taken from a polygamist sect''s ranch, as well as broken bones among other children. "

possible, broken bones...

you better get statements from your kids'' doctor, explaining every fracture your kids have had in their bodies...coz you might get charged for abuse in the future...make sure also you don''t alienate your neighbor or build to high fences...coz you might get the swat team in front of your house...

hooray...we are in free America..enjoying lots of rights...cheers to cps and the state of Texas...

[1prod]

I do not trust the state.They acted on a warrant based on false information and now they have to make a case here to show they are right.Over 400 children, some are going to have been hurt playing.When I was in school, every year someone in class had a cast on his arm.Then there''s the pregnant teenagers.Anyone who is married, at least sixteen (fourteen prior 2005 TXlaw change) can be pregnant with their husband no matter how old he is.BUT, the state won''t recognize any of their marriages.They keep calling them "spiritual marriages", because they cannot trump up rape charges if they recognize their marriages.It''s absolute bull.If someone was married before the 2005 law at the age of at least 14, they should be grandfathered by the law they were married under.And yes, they could legally have babies at that age if they were married before the law changed.Why isn''t some higher authority coming down on this judge and CPS for their nazi style persecution?Lastly, I heard that the women were told by state officials, if they ever wanted to see their children again, they''d better choose the shelter and not go back home.What the heck is that?Manipulation.THEN, the officials go to the media and say, most of the women don''t want to go back to the ranch.SURE???They threatened them with the loss of their children so they could run to the media.UGHHH.I know one thing, these state people are going to face a much harsher judgement after this life because of this.

[wwudiver]

I didn''t catch the title of this movie. It starts out very similar to Schindler''s list, the last time I have seen so many people forced onto buses, but these people don''t look very jewish and some seem to be speaking English. Oh well, I will change the channel and watch the war network or Faux news...if any one gets the title please let me know I will get it when it comes out on video, this copy is grainy and looks bootleg anyway.