What Did The FLDS Kids Do To Deserve This?
Ben Stein Says Texas Authorities Are Acting Like The Gestapo By Taking Away The Children Of A Mormon Sect
-
Photo
More than 400 children were removed from the FLDS compound in Eldorado, Texas, and transferred to foster homes around the state, as the courts try to figure out how to act in the wake of accusations of abuse. (AP Photo/Tony Gutierrez)
-
Play CBS Video
Video
Ben Stein: Tex. Raid Was Wrong
In light of the removal of 416 children from a Fundamentalist Mormon sect compound in Texas, contributor Ben Stein argues that state officials in fact used poor judgment in making such a decision.
May I ask a question? What the heck is going on in Texas with the kids caught up in the polygamy ranch disaster?
Look, I am not a fan of polygamy. For one thing, it's all any man can do keeping up with one wife. For another, it's against the law in this country.
But the polygamists that have been in the news have been operating for decades. The authorities knew about it, and them. They didn't do a thing about it for all those years!
Then, on a totally unsubstantiated telephone call about sex abuse - which apparently did not come from anyone even connected to the polygamist compound - the state closed down the compound, and (what is totally incomprehensible) took the small children of the settlement away from their mothers and fathers.
Why? What crime had the kids committed? Why are they being dealt the most drastic punishment imaginable - separation from their mothers and fathers - for no known reason?
The state of Texas has not found one single crime against these children yet. Even if they do find one or two, how can that be a reason for taking dozens, maybe hundreds of children away from their mothers?
The kids are the victims here - not of the parents, but of the incredible, unbelievable cruelty of the state of Texas authorities. If there is evidence of cruelty by the families to these kids, where is it?
Look, I am a huge fan of Texas. I have many friends there and love being there. But what is the attorney general of Texas doing? This is an Orwellian nightmare. For no reason except what looks like a crank call, the lives of these children have been turned upside down and into a screaming horror movie.
Can't someone say the obvious here? That in this case, it's not the Mormons who are the criminals, it's the government of Texas.
Governor Perry, wake up and give those kids back to their mothers until you have some compelling, proven reason to do otherwise. What your state is doing here is Gestapo tactics pure and simple.
© MMVIII, CBS Interactive, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Video and Galleries from Sunday Morning
- Latest in Sunday Morning
- Rediscovering Henry Hudson
- Some Educated Opinions on Pundits
- MTV's Bill Flanagan On Jackson's Music



- 1
- 2
- 3
- 4
...
- 10
- next
See all 457 CommentsWhile I usually love your commentary, today I have to vehemently disagree. Yes, it is tragic for small children to be taken away from their parents, but it is far more tragic for young teenage girls to be forced into "spiritual marriages" with men old enough to be their grandfathers and expected to have babies when they should be in the 8th grade! If that''s not child abuse--I don''t know what you would call child abuse. And the fact that the boys are brought up in a culture that tells them that some day they, too, can have several wives and dozens of children is also abusive.
Also, you have some of your facts wrong--the FLDS sect has only been in Texas for a few years, not decades. They came to Texas after Utah and Arizona started cracking down on them for their polygamist ways and expected child abuse. (see this story for a fact check: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4629743)
Yes, it is a sad situation. However, the state would probably like nothing better than for the mothers of these children to realize that their lifestyle is not just illegal, but immoral and also traps them in a kind of slavery. A handful of the women actually asked to be taken to a women''s shelter. Hopefully, these women will start a trend and get free of their tormenters and will one day get their children back and be able to raise them in a healthy, safe way.
These kids will be tramatized for the rest of their lives and they did nothing wrong. We can all agree on that! Give the children back to their parants!
Your reasoning is exactly what has kept drugs and organized crime successful. Just because no one wants to step up and put a stop to known illegal activity does not make it legal! The pain and suffering of these children did not start with Texas law enforcement, it started with blind, ignorant apathy of any and all other law enforcers who chose not to do anything to stop their exploitation.
What more evidence do you want than pregnant 12 and 13 year old children, fathered by men old enough to be their fathers or even grandfathers? FLDS is a cult out of control, created and ruled by a group of degenerate men that have banded together to get all the *** they want, any time and way they want. Those poor little girls are raised for one purpose, to be *** cattle. They are brainwashed from the time they can learn English to be totally subservient to the "church" men, and to spread their legs on command right after the first sign of menstruation.
FLDS is SICK , Ben! Evidence? You and that *** "bgbevier" above don''t think pregnant 12 year old girls are evidence? Just exactly what do you think is in their wombs, Ben?
You owe America an apology, based on more thorough research you should soon be doing. Meanwhile, I think we''ll be skipping your movie.
What more evidence do you want than pregnant 12 and 13 year old children, fathered by men old enough to be their fathers or even grandfathers? FLDS is a cult out of control, created and ruled by a group of degenerate men that have banded together to get all the *** they want, any time and way they want. Those poor little girls are raised for one purpose, to be *** cattle. They are brainwashed from the time they can learn English to be totally subservient to the "church" men, and to spread their legs on command right after the first sign of menstruation.
FLDS is SICK , Ben! Evidence? You and that *** "bgbevier" above don''t think pregnant 12 year old girls are evidence? Just exactly what do you think is in their wombs, Ben?
You owe America an apology, based on more thorough research you should soon be doing. Meanwhile, I think we''ll be skipping your movie.
What more evidence do you want than pregnant 12 and 13 year old children, fathered by men old enough to BE their fathers or even grandfathers? FLDS is a cult out of control, created and ruled by a group of degenerate men that have banded together to get all the *** they want, any time and way they want. Those poor little girls are raised for one purpose, to be *** cattle. They are brainwashed from the time they can learn English to be totally subservient to the "church" men, and to spread their legs on command right after the first sign of menstruation.
FLDS is SICK , Ben! Evidence? You and that *** "bgbevier" above don''t think pregnant 12 year old girls are evidence? Just exactly what do you think is in their wombs, Ben?
You owe America an apology, based on more thorough research you should soon be doing. Meanwhile, I think we''ll be skipping your movie.
Amazing. An intelligent man such as yourself not viewing this situation as grave beyond measure for these children. Your proclamation of "unbelievable cruelty of the state of Texas authorities" made me livid!
My question is, "Why did it take so long for the authorities to step in and do their job?"
The law is clear on these issues. All of these children need to be removed from their homes until the adults who care for them do just that - care for them!
Obviously Ben Stine thinks that seeing pregnant thirteen year old girls is not an indication of abuse. Obviously, seeing children afraid of the color of red (the devil%u2019s color to the LDS) is not a sign of brainwashing. Obviously, Ben Stein, doesn''t think that women who speak in a monotone, give identical rote answers are brainwashed.
Ben Stein, you should have your grandchildren in one of these situations. I would like to see how you would feel then. Believe me, even if I could never see them again (which I can''t now anyway), I would rather see them in a good foster home than with their parents who abuse them. They will get over it if taken away younger, but how does a thirteen year old girl get over being pregnant?
Amazing. An intelligent man such as yourself not viewing this situation as grave beyond measure for these children. Your proclamation of "unbelievable cruelty of the state of Texas authorities" made me livid!
My question is, "Why did it take so long for the authorities to step in and do their job?"
The law is clear on these issues. All of these children need to be removed from their homes until the adults who care for them do just that - care for them!
This is the worst case in history for Child Protective Services. Their mission: remove children from harm! That''s what Texas law enforcement has done. Where children are concerned, the perpetrator is guilty until proven innocent.
BTW, be careful about generalizing people, too. I''m a native Texan and was shocked myself to learn that a polygamist institution exists in our state. In that regard, shame on law enforcement for turning a blind eye to this and other cases of abuse in the past. I say thank goodness for the phone call, hoax or not!! We should all be thankful for the whistler blowers in the world!!
Is your reasoning that because Texas already knew about the illegal activity (polygamy, forced under-age marriages)before and did nothing, that they should do nothing about it now?
Polygamy is ILLEGAL. Forced marriage at 12 is ILLEGAL. You''d be repulsed and claiming outrage if you read about this same thing happening in India or Pakistan or Katmandu or Burkina Faso, so why aren''t you outraged about it happening here?
It''s mighty hypocritical of you as a life long Republican who has advocated the gov''t sticking its nose in just about every conceivable activity, to suddenly feign horror that the gov''t interceded to make sure that pre-pubescent girls were not being forced into marriages of sexual convenience by randy old men who share the perverted belief that they need at least 3 (young, complaint, subservient)wives to garner favor in the kingdom of heaven.
The Fed gov''t gave the male overseers of this female-slave organization 1 Mil in federal loans and 1.2 Mil in defense contracts to support this perverted lifestyle.
And you''re concerned when the gov''t said it had to stop?
The government''s already involved, Ben. And since some portion of my tax-dollars went to support this illegal lifestyle, I''ve been dragged into this, too.
Shame on you Ben. Shame on you.
Great comment really right on I sometimes diagree with you but you really hit the nail on the head this time. Thank you for your compassion and understanding of this horror in Texas
and that the Utah and Texas should unite and Get to the Real Deal. I hate that the children are being separated from the mothers, I think the mothers and children can be together, the dna, the age of the girls and the Fact that no birth certificates or death certificates are required by the state of Texas and that a man is allowed to kill his wife if he so deems her "against the god rules" is why I feel that this needs close scurtiny and that both states should make a bond to cooperated and get ot the bottom of what is actually going on in this cult, this has nothing to do with separating the mothers and children if anything, show the mothers and children the outside world , the compassion, the museums, the crayons, the parks the beauty, open uo and take into our being our spirit not critical deamonization, but open and caring trying to understand, and then re introduce methods of living and "dicipline" that are not harsh and demeaning.
It''''s not often when I think I''''m smarter than Ben Stein, but Ben: You are WRONG. I am DEFINITELY smarter than you on this one.
Is your reasoning that because Texas already knew about the illegal activity (polygamy, forced under-age marriages)before and did nothing, that they should do nothing about it now?
Polygamy is ILLEGAL. Forced marriage at 12 is ILLEGAL. You''''d be repulsed and claiming outrage if you read about this same thing happening in India or Pakistan or Katmandu or Burkina Faso, so why aren''''t you outraged about it happening here?
It''''s mighty hypocritical of you as a life long Republican who has advocated the gov''''t sticking its nose in just about every conceivable activity, to suddenly feign horror that the gov''''t interceded to make sure that pre-pubescent girls were not being forced into marriages of sexual convenience by randy old men who share the perverted belief that they need at least 3 (young, complaint, subservient)wives to garner favor in the kingdom of heaven.
The Fed gov''''t gave the male overseers of this female-slave organization 1 Mil in federal loans and 1.2 Mil in defense contracts to support this perverted lifestyle.
And you''''re concerned when the gov''''t said it had to stop?
The government''''s already involved, Ben. And since some portion of my tax-dollars went to support this illegal lifestyle, I''''ve been dragged into this, too.
Shame on you Ben. Shame on you.
Posted by JLSCT at 10:47 AM : Apr 27, 2008
SO VERY WELL SAID! Thank-you!
You need to redefine the issure that you are arguing. The issue is about child abuse. The State needs to do its diligence to determine first of all what mother has what child to begin the legal proceedings. Just because these people live excluded from mainstream society does not give them special privileges.
The State went in on a valid suspicion of sexual assault. It cannot now stop and not investigate to the fullest extent the ages and therefore when a woman or girl was pregnant. Normally a child''s birth certificates provide the basic information of birth date and names of parents. The State does not have that information.
This is not about government overstepping its power. It is about protecting children from sexual abuse and assault and to argue otherwise is changing the topic. From your statements, you must value freedom from government intervention over sexual assault, which fortunately for the people of the United States has already been determined by law to be illegal.
I hope that you will re-examine your statements and make an apology or correct yourself on air next Sunday or earlier.
What did those children do to deserve the cruel reality of enforced sexual slavery?
How cruel is it for little children to watch their sisters disappear into "church" to be raped by old men?
How cruel is it for young girls to watch their brothers thrown out of their homes with nothing, into a world they have been taught is the realm of Satan, just so the old men can have all the young girls to themselves?
Ben, I think you''re more interested in generating controversy than you are in the welfare of these children. Which means you''re not a hell of a lot better than those men.
And your facile comment about how hard it is to keep up with even one wife was nothing more than a disgusting attempt to diminish what these women and children have been forced to endure.
All of which leads me to wonder about you. You must believe that those men had some right to do what they did, or you would never even entertain the idea that those children are better off with families committed to maintaining this abuse.
And let''s be clear, making the claim that those children should remain in that place because the original call turned out to be questionable is despicable. Once they found evidence of widespread *** with underage children, delaying the children''s removal because of the call only ensures more child rapes.
What kind of "man" can look past that for a little extra TV attention for himself?
Oink, oink, Ben.
And guys - dont think he reads this stuff - he has better things to do, like produce idiotic propaganda like "Expelled".
what age he or she is. I don''t expect all the public to obey the law; but I do expect the government and it''s agents to obey the law. This means some law breakers will never be able to be prosecuted. I would rather see a billion law breakers go free than 1 innocent go to jail. I would rather see millions of police die than 1 innocent citizen die at the hands of the government or it''s agents.
- 1
- 2
- 3
- 4
...
- 10
- next
See all 457 Comments