June 18, 2009 6:25 PM

Age Gap May Start Younger Than Thought

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(CBS)  This column was written by CBS News director of surveys Kathy Frankovic.

Age and education do affect the vote. Many of Barack Obama's wins have been fueled by big turnouts from younger voters, who have come out strongly for him. In many states, they also increased their share of the total votes cast.

For example, young voters made up 22 percent of the total vote in Iowa, up from 17 percent in 2004. They were 18 percent of the total in Georgia, up from 11 percent four years ago. Even in Ohio, a primary Obama lost to Hillary Clinton by ten points, the share of the vote cast by those under 30 rose from 9 percent to 16 percent.

Those are astonishing rises - especially since turnout in the primaries overall has also risen dramatically.

But Pennsylvania seemed to be an exception: the 12 percent of the vote cast by voters under the age of 30 was the same as their share of the Pennsylvania Democratic primary vote back in 1992, which is the last time the state had a meaningful Democratic primary. Obama's support among young Pennsylvania voters (60 percent) was a bit on the low side - it had been as high as 77 percent in Georgia and 76 percent in Virginia. And among white Pennsylvania voters under the age of 30, he did not even win a majority in Pennsylvania - according to the CBS News Exit Poll, 52 percent went for Clinton; 48 percent for Obama.

It's worth examining young voters by race and by education. In Ohio, Obama won 61 percent of the under-30 vote, but his margin over Clinton came almost entirely from young African-American voters. White Ohio voters 18-29 years old divided evenly, with 48 percent for each candidate.

Black voters accounted for a large share of the youth vote in other states, too. Half of the under-30 voters in Georgia were African-American, equal to the black share of the total vote there. In Ohio, they made up more than a third of the youth vote, much larger than their share of the total vote there. In Pennsylvania, the black share of the youth vote amounted to a little less than a third. But that was twice as high as the black percentage of the statewide vote, and much higher than the black share of the vote cast by those 60 and older n Pennsylvania: only about one in ten voters over the age of 60 there was black.

We know something about the role of education for young voters, too. CBS News worked with UWire - the news service for college journalists - to poll a representative sample of more than 2,000 Pennsylvania college students before that primary. Those who said they were registered Democratic voters in the state were overwhelmingly pro-Obama - 71 percent to 29 percent - and for that group, race mattered little. Whites favored Obama over Clinton 69 percent to 31 percent. Pro-Obama students were more enthusiastic than students supporting Clinton: six in ten liked him "a lot" better than Clinton; only 42 percent of Clinton's student supporters said they liked her "a lot" better than Obama.

But student opinion can be very different from the opinions of people who have left college - or perhaps have never gone. There are differences even within age groups depending on education.

In the last few days, reporters have asked Obama and his campaign managers if they thought the campaign might have problems attracting older voters. David Axelrod, Obama's senior political adviser, said: "I think there is a general inclination on the part of the older voters to vote for what is more familiar."

Obama himself told the press on Wednesday: "Our problem has less to do with white working-class voters. In fact the problem is that - to the extent that there is a problem - is that older voters are very loyal to Senator Clinton. And I think part of that is they've got a track record of voting for not just Sen. Clinton but also her husband."

Education is strongly related to social class. Looking at all the primary exit polls (combining exit polls, weighted to total votes, and excluding Florida and Michigan), it appears the "problem" the Obama campaign faces might involve both class and age. Among white voters with a college degree, Obama and Clinton have run almost even so far this year - 49 percent for Obama, 47 percent for Clinton. The results are very different by age within this group - those under 45 have given Obama a lead, and those over 45 have chosen Clinton. This does seem to support Obama's claim that older, better-educated Democratic voters are staying with what they know, keeping on "track."

White voters without a college degree, however, vote differently. This year, they have voted for Clinton over Obama by almost two-to-one - 61 percent to 33 percent. And the age of the voter matters less. Clinton leads decisively with just about all age groups of these voters - as long as they are over 30. She even edged Obama, 48 percent to 47 percent, among non-degreed voters under 30, but over 24 years old. Only the white non-college graduates younger than 25 have favored Obama so far this primary season. They voted for him 59 percent to 38 percent. This is the group that would include most of those pro-Obama undergraduate students.

We don't know exactly how large that group has been in the primaries this year - there is no exit poll question that measures students -- but the data suggest that any "problem" Obama has with older, working class white voters could start with voters a lot younger than we thought.
By Kathy Frankovic

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by p-syrus April 28, 2008 7:37 PM EDT
Racism is alive and well in America.

Posted by unlocking


That is very true. It has simply being less overt in expression.

All of which contributes to why Obama should NOT be the democratic candidate for president as that will undoubtedly assure a victory for MCCAIN.

Obama should try in eight years after having developed some genuine governing experience in Hillary''s administration. In eight years the aging of today''s youth will make his candidacy much more likely to succeed.
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by unlocking-2009 April 27, 2008 9:57 PM EDT
Considering that the ENTIRE Pennsylvania governmental machine was behind Clinton and Governor Rendall made the statement that Obama would not win the state because whites in the state would not vote for him the outcome did not surprise me. I was just surprised he didn''t lose by a bigger margin. Racism is alive and well in America.

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by jon2012-2009 April 27, 2008 5:01 PM EDT
I don''t make much of the fact that young educated people find Obama the more attractive candidate. I am encouraged that they are getting involved in this most vital exercise of democracy. But they''re instincts aren''t quite there yet.

Obama might turn out to be one of the best American presidents ever, should he become the nominee and win in November. However, he is pretty much an unknown quantity by measures that a president could be evaluated and in the same vein there is nothing about him to reject him out of hand. His campaign based on hope and being a new face in Washington is built on an ability to give a good speech.

For speeches, Bush is good enough. Didn''t he beat those dull Democrats, Kerry and Gore? What Obama lacks at this point is hard evidence that he has what it will take to solve the problems we face. Hillary has some of that. It''s a slim advantage but a real one, not hypothetical, not based on a promise.
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by jon2012-2009 April 27, 2008 4:35 PM EDT
Want Join? That is fine.But there is NO place in White House for DIRTY Clintions at all.
Posted by lordmi at 03:19 PM : Apr 26, 2008

All these politicians speak with a view to spinning information in their favor. I don''t think the Clintons are any more especially guilty than the others. I can honestly say that Bush and the Republicans practice deception with a Machiavellian calculation. You talk about DIRT, don''t ignore the big nose in your face.
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by downsteamjim April 27, 2008 3:02 PM EDT
Last week I asked a young man why he was supporting Obama. His reply was that Obama was cool. I then asked him if he felt that was a good reason to elect a man President of the U.S. He thought for a second and then a troubled look came on his face.
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by jack3213 April 27, 2008 1:21 PM EDT
IT IS A SMART MOVE THAT OBAMA WILL NOT DEBATE- AND SPEND MORE TIME CAMPAINGING-- TO BEAT CLINTON- CLINTON IS AGAIN SO HIGH ON HERSELF- FOR IF SHE DIDN''T WIN PENN ( NOT BY MUCH, MIND YOU) SHE WOULD NOT BE ASKING FOR A DEBATE- HER EGO AND BILL''S EGO WILL BE THE DEMISE OF THEM & THE PARTY. OBAMA WILL WIN AND THEN MCCAIN WILL BEAT HIM. WHY? WHEN CLINTON LOSES HER SUPPORTERS WILL DEFECT, BUT NOT TO BARACK- AGAIN, HER PARTY WILL FAIL BECAUSE OF HER AND BILL. ps. The youth do not vote in the Fall. History proves that.

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by libra127 April 26, 2008 7:16 PM EDT
lordmi -

You are sadly mis-informed about the Clintons. Hillary has worked all her life to try to help other people, especially children. She has a long record of accomplishment and is committed to working for change for the benefit of all Americans. She is an incredibly hard worker and is determined to put her intelligence and considerable capabilities in the service of the country.

Her ideas and plans for her Presidency are detailed in the issues section of her website (www.hillaryclinton.com). I hope you will take a look with an open mind.

It appears that you have read much about her that is not true. There is alot of that to be found on the internet and in certain books written by her political opponents.
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by lordmi April 26, 2008 6:23 PM EDT
to libra127: do not fool yourself - she can NEVER win from high-educated, because she is simply can NOT get any NORMAL votes, from people who can think: she is phony, talk her phony false things under the sniper fire and there are only NON-educated House Hens , who can trust it, cause their mind does not go out of cookies.
Clintons ate the dirtiest family ever been close to White House. They have jus ONE and ONLY goal - to get the power FOR Clintons.
They do not care about anything else, anybody else.
Never forget , it was SHE, who said " Screw them". Them - were all working people in Southern states.
She does not care and as for now she Screws them all.
Want Join? That is fine. But there is NO place in White House for DIRTY Clintons at all.
Forget it.
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by lordmi April 26, 2008 6:19 PM EDT
to libra127: do not fool yourself- she can NEVER win feromhigh-educated because she is simply can NOT get any NPRMALvotes, from people who can thinh: she is phony, talk her phony false things under the sniper fire and there are only NON-educated House Hens , who can trust it, cause their mind does not go out of cookies.
Clintons ate the dirtiest family ever been close to White House. They have jus ONE and ONLT goal - to get the power FOR Clintons.
They do not care about anything else, anybody else.
Never forget , it was SHE, who said " Screw them". Them - were all working people in southen states.
She does not care and as for now she Screws them all.
Want Join? That is fine.But there is NO place in White House for DIRTY Clintions at all.
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by commonsense4once April 26, 2008 12:46 PM EDT
But the chief indicator of social class in America is the Bachelor''''s Degree; those who have achieved it, or have spent at least a couple of years of college time working at it, have a far broader and more enlightened view of social problems than people who haven''''t.
Posted by razzl at 03:33 PM : Apr 25, 2008

Oh really? I guess the "salt of the earth" people couldn''t possibly have any "enlightenment". So, lets see....lawyers who extort money from people in crisis, doctors who give sub-par care by pushing as many people through their office as fast as they can, politicians who take money from special interest and sell us out, investment bankers and brokers who steal our money, CEOs who raid corporation for big bonuses...etc, etc. I would assume these are the "socially enlightened" educated people you are referring to?
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