Hillary In Bitterland

National Review Online: Hillary Clinton Finds Her People In Pennsylvania

(National Review Online)  This column was written by Byron York

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“People from the Mon Valley are fighters! You’re fighters because - you know what? You didn’t go to Harvard! You weren’t born with a silver spoon in your mouth! You live right here in this valley!”

As warmup acts for Hillary Clinton go, Pennsylvania State Rep. Peter Daley is just the ticket. Here in this valley - the Mon Valley, short for Monongahela, in the southwestern corner of Pennsylvania - Daley is speaking to a crowd of more than 1,000 people gathered to see Clinton in the gym at California University of Pennsylvania. Daley, born and raised in the Mon Valley, is still a bit angry about Barack Obama’s “bitter” comments - “absolutely appalling,” he tells me after he leaves the stage. But Daley doesn't deny that there are people in the economically-challenged Mon Valley who are bitter. He just doesn’t think Obama gets what it’s all about.

“People in this region aren’t bitter in the sense that he understands,” Daley explains. “Their bitterness is the fact that they’re just tired of losing their jobs, losing opportunities, losing their young people, just because we haven’t had that federal help, that little push to keep those steel mills here, keep those coal mines here, and create manufacturing opportunities.” That, of course, is pretty consistent with what Obama said, but it was the second part of Obama's statement - the part about clinging to religion, or guns, or bigotry - that rankled. “Unconscionable,” Daley tells me.

This is Clinton country. A new poll from Suffolk University, out today, shows Clinton leading Barack Obama statewide, 52 percent to 42 percent. But in the southwestern part of the state, here in the Mon Valley, Clinton has a huge lead, 74 percent to 17 percent.

And people here aren’t just for Clinton. They’re against Obama. At this Hillary rally, no one expresses any outright hostility to Obama, but they tell me over and over again that they just don’t like him, that they don’t care for him, that they don’t trust him. They view him as inexperienced and not ready to be president, and they think he’s selling them a bill of goods.

“I could tell you I’m going build you a house, and I’m going to do everything you want,” a man named Bernie tells me. “I'm going to put everything in it just the way you want it. And then you give me your money, and you find out I'm not a carpenter.”

The new Suffolk poll found that found that 46 percent of Democrats surveyed in southwest Pennsylvania would either vote for John McCain or would be undecided if their candidate doesn’t win. They’re the people here tonight. When I ask whether they will vote for Obama if he wins the Democratic nomination, the answers are quick:

"If Hillary doesn’t win, I’m not voting.”

“No.”

“I will not.”

“I’d have to debate myself on that one.”

Others said they would reluctantly cast votes for Obama. But at least half of the people to whom I speak say they simply would not vote for him in the general election.

For all that, however, the rally isn’t about Obama. Press reports have suggested that all the candidates do is trade attacks. But tonight Obama is barely mentioned at all, either by Clinton or her introducers - including Miss Pennsylvania USA Lauren Merola, who relates her experience as a Miami Dolphins cheerleader to the opportunities for women in the workforce that Sen. Clinton will foster. Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell doesn’t bring up Obama. Rep. John Murtha doesn’t bring up Obama. And Clinton herself makes the briefest of mentions, saying that Obama is “attacking me” in a new ad. “He always says in his speeches that he is running a positive campaign, but then his campaign does the opposite,” Clinton says.

But that’s it. The rest of Clinton’s pitch is bread and butter. We’ve got to have universal health care. We’ve got to make college loans more affordable. We’ve got to end No Child Left Behind. We’ve got to get the two oilmen out of the White House. We’ve got to get out of Iraq. It is a solid, polished, professional speech - without the slightest touch of magic. Indeed, when you ask people what they like most about Clinton, they give workmanlike answers, too. She has the experience, they say. She knows how Washington works. They remember the days of Bill Clinton’s presidency fondly and would like to see them come back. But no one says Clinton inspires them - that’s not what they're looking for in the Mon Valley.

Bethlehem, Pennsylvania - The next day, Sunday afternoon, Clinton is on the other side of the state in Bethlehem. The name conjures up images of shuttered steel mills and rust-belt decay, but Bethlehem is a beautiful little city - just a couple of years ago, it was included in Money magazine's list of the 100 best places to live in America. (It was number 88.) The city has a lovely, historic main street that is quite alive - check out the Moravian Book Shop and a zillion coffee shops - without empty store fronts.

Clinton’s rally is in the gymnasium at Liberty High School. Her team is not exactly expecting a full house. On the left side of the gym, as one faces the stage, there are 25 rows of seats, from floor to ceiling. The Clinton team has put up a big blue curtain and an American flag blocking access beyond the first seven rows; all the seats above that remain empty.

But people pack into the room, after waiting hours to get through Secret Service security points. The gym floor is jammed.

“As I look out on the crowd, I’m not sensing any bitterness,” Bethlehem mayor John Callahan tells the audience. “I’m not sensing any pessimism.”

He’s right. And while Clinton crowds don’t exactly go wild, this crowd is as loud and enthusiastic as they get. “Isn’t this exciting?” Clinton says when she takes the stage to huge applause. “We’re getting to the decision day.”

Clinton is better than she was the night before in the Mon Valley. But there’s no denying that she is offering a prosaic menu of policy proposals. She doesn’t call these gatherings “Solutions for Pennsylvania” for nothing. “While my opponent says one thing and his campaign does another, you can count on me to tell you where I stand, and you can count on me to tell you very specifically the solutions that I’m offering for America,” Clinton tells the crowd. “I want you to know very specifically what I will do.” And then she tells them very specifically what she will do. As she speaks, the contrast between Clinton and Obama, between her plodding specificity and his soaring inspiration, could not be greater.

As far as voting for Obama is concerned, the views of people here are just about the same as those in the Mon Valley. More than half of those I ask say they won’t vote for him under any circumstances. A few others say they’ll have to think hard about it. And a few say they’ll be (grudgingly) loyal Democrats.

A couple of hours later, people in Bethlehem get a surprise when Obama shows up, unannounced, on Main Street. Word has gotten out a few minutes early, and excited people on the street are calling their friends and telling them to hurry down, that Obama will be there soon. And sure enough, his bus pulls up, and Obama makes his way down the street, shaking hands and stopping briefly at Mama Nina’s Foccacheria, before heading to the Bethlehem Brew Works, a brew pub with a Steel City theme - the booths are made of bare piping and sheet steel - on the corner. He sips a beer - a regular guy - talks to a few people, and takes off.

Tonight Obama is heading to the Mon Valley. He’ll appear in McKeesport, a town not far from where Rep. Daley introduced Hillary Clinton. Obama’s rally is sure to attract those 17 percent of voters in southwestern Pennsylvania who support him, but is there anything he can do to appeal to the rest? Not likely.

[dgwooster]

WARNING:
For anyone who believes a President Hillary will be like her husband remember this: many thought George W Bush''s presidency would be similar to his father''s. But they were wrong.

[termtex01]

"%u201CPeople from the Mon Valley are fighters! You%u2019re fighters because - you know what? You didn%u2019t go to Harvard! You weren%u2019t born with a silver spoon in your mouth! You live right here in this valley!%u201D "


LMAO. Al Gore went to Harvard.

[kaelinda]

Exactly WHAT experience has Hillary Clinton had that qualifies her in any way to be "commander in chief" of the United States Military? What experience has she had that qualifies her in any way to lead the country? She has exactly the same amount of experience at those things as Obama has - ZERO. Unless - wait! Are you saying that when Bill Clinton was president, it was Hillary making all the decisions?

[darrren12000]

Yeah, Obama went to the mat, and got to a count of three! I am curious why you guys think Obama opposes Nafta. I have never heard him say he would not have supported it. He has stated he is not for protectionism -- and all Nafta does is eliminae protectionism. He says that he would not seek to repeal Nafta, that repealing Nafta would cost us jobs, and that he would not even seek to fundamentally alter Nafta. I wont even go into the Canadian memo suggesting he said that all of the anti-Nafta rhetoric was just campaign talk. He first denied having a meeting with the Canadians, but when the memo emerged, he said they misstated his views. Of course, the Obamabots online have tried to say Clinton wrote the memo. LOL!!!!!

"I can''''t for the life of me understand why blue collar voters in PA support Clinton and her pro-NAFTA record, as opposed to Obama who has already stood up for laid-off steel workers in his recent past. It just doesn''''t add up. Then you read where they have to hide the empty seats in a small high school gym at a Clinton "rally" behind a big blue curtain while the Obama rally has 35,000 boisterous folks chanting "YES WE CAN" at the top of their lungs. It just makes no sense to me how supposedly legitimate polling shows her to be so far ahead when the enthusiasm at their staged events so overwhelmingly favors Obama. I JUST DON"T GET IT. C''''mon, PA....Barack will go to the mat for you!


Posted by TawpDawg11 at 03:32 PM : Apr 21, 2008"

[darrren12000]

GO HILLARY!!!! TAKE A CHILL PILL. THAT POST WAS WAY MELODRAMATIC.

"I just hope that the people of Pennsylvania can see through the facade that is Hillary.

One has only to follow her and Bills careers from Arkansas to the White House and the many scandals they created.

That these two conniving liars may have another shot at the White House is scary.

A woman will, one day, become the President of the U.S. but, hopefully, it will be someone more deserving, more honest, and more qualified than Hillary. "

[darrren12000]

concorde -- what about the people who say they will vote for mccain if clinton gets it? are they sexist? what? also - i know lots of blacks and latinos who wont vote for obama. i guess they are all racist too. no one can justify voting against the lord obama. if you dont - you must have some inner evil. lol. this is the most ridiculous *** i have heard of.

[darrren12000]

Well, you are witnessing the "people''s" rejection of being forcefed a candidate. I started this race as a Clinton supporter, but happy to vote for Obama. Now, I cannot stand him. I am very left. I usually think the Dems are too moderate. And I am a lifetime Dem. But I have never witnessed such hypocrisy. The party that claims to be about fairness has joined a clearly biased media with two goals: tear down the Clintons and valorize Obama. Everytime they do that, the people respond. They tried to knock her out at New Hampshire, Supertuesday, OH/Tex, and leading to PA (with all of the obnoxious pleas for her to leave the race). Well -- NO! That''s the answer. I am happily divided from the hypocritical, self-whiteous, naive, and swindled wing of the Democratic Party. These are the morons who propped up all of the other losers. You will lose again in November. Hopefully -- just hopefully -- you wiill have stopped blaming Clinton and really consider the reasons why the Dems lose every year (except when they nominate a Clinton).

[cfin5]

rant3000-some people don''''t vote the party line. As for the two parties being drastically different,maybe. However, this time around we have two socialists and I really don''''t know what mccain is. I won''''t be voting this election and it bothers me terribly.

Posted by Xlib at 04:33 PM : Apr 22, 2008-------McCain is a republicrat. I''m not to happy this cycle either.

[xlib]

rant3000-some people don''t vote the party line. As for the two parties being drastically different,maybe. However, this time around we have two socialists and I really don''t know what mccain is. I won''t be voting this election and it bothers me terribly.

[xlib]

jon2012-the context is in the fact that she is running for president. Also, Bush is NOT running for anything.
She is the only senator from NY that is running for president, therefore, my point is relevent. She stumped up here, visited nursing homes, came up for the photo ops and made promises that she would bring us jobs. When my county got into trouble and a local politico asked for her asistance her comment was "Erie County''s problems are Erie counties problems".
As for other politicans and lies, yep, they all lie. The strange thing is, your side constanly makes excuses for your liars.
And, once again, Bush isn''t running. The madame is.

[jon2012-2009]

Clinton, who has tried to cast her rival as too inexperienced for the job of commander in chief, said of Obama''''s stance on Pakistan: "I don''''t believe that any president should make any blanket statements with respect to the use or non-use of nuclear weapons."
Posted by BLACKSPIRIT3 at 03:42 PM : Apr 22, 2008

You''re stretching things here. A willingness to consider a nuclear response to what is deemed a serious aggression is just that. What would you have her say? That a nuclear response is out of the question? Now that would be more like a blanket statement, the kind she would not have made.

[blackspirit3]

FLIP FLOP HILLARY????
Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton discussed actions that would warrant a nuclear response that would %u201Ctotally obliterate%u201D Iran. The New York Senator told ABC''s %u201CGood Morning America%u201D Tuesday and MSNBC''s %u201CCountdown With Keith Olbermann%u201D Monday that, if president, she would be willing to use nuclear weapons against Iran if they orchestrated a nuclear attack on Israel.

Clinton, who has tried to cast her rival as too inexperienced for the job of commander in chief, said of Obama''s stance on Pakistan: "I don''t believe that any president should make any blanket statements with respect to the use or non-use of nuclear weapons."

[jon2012-2009]

We here in the nanny state of NY, upstate in fact, were promised THOUSANDS of jobs by the madame when she was campaining the first time around. Well, what we got were a total of 10 jobs for people working here in the area and thousands of jobs off shore to a customer service company. Yep, that''''s your hill, she sure can deliver.
Posted by Xlib at 11:22 AM : Apr 22, 2008

Please put this in context. How many promises did she make and what is her success rate? How does that compare with the average NY politician? So many bloggers pick out one fact or detail and touts it as be-all and end-all. Can you at least tell us, since you seem to know so much about the madame, how many promises she failed to deliver on?

For example, I could say that George Bush is a liar and I can tell you of two studies showing 500 lies spewed by this administration in the two-year run-up to the war in Iraq (that''s not counting the media surrugates like NRO that function as the Republican party''s Ministry of Truth.) I can also tell you Bush lied about global warming and the quality of air over NY in the days after 9/11 and the tax cuts for the middle class. When you guys says Hillary lies, you have no data to back you up.

[xlib]

blackspirits-and your half white empty suit is counting on black racism to win. Tell me the difference.

[xlib]

hill on Good Morning America today " I will attack Iran if they attack Israel", she will wipe them off the face of the earth. This is wonderful.
Now, where are the posters who relish in mccain singing "bomb, bomb iran" over and over again. Where are they.
This is nothing more than the madame pandering to a population SHE THINKS wants such propaganda.

[blackspirit3]

Hillary is betting on white racism to win. Is that a win? Hoping that White America will reject a candidate on racial terms. We all know had Obama ever lied about being shot at by a gang on the streets of Chicago he would be thrown out of the race. Hillary is allowed to remain in the race while the media create stories to beat Obama with, to say a man who just finish paying off his student loans is an elitist is retarded at best.

Obama went to college and received a Law Degree because he didn%u2019t know enough to help the churches and people of his community with just having a 4 year Degree. How is that elitist, who goes to college to become a lawyer to help poor communities? Not Hillary, she went to Walmart. Not Bill he went to Canada and rallied against the Viatnam war.

[concorde5]

rant3000......The reason hillary supporters are willing to vote for McCain over Obama is because they have a problem with a Non-White person in the white house. It''s the only thing that makes sense. I know people who say they support Hillary but they will vote for Obama if he is the nominee.

But the ones who say they will vote for McCain if Hillary is not the nominee are racists.

[rant3000]

I really don''t get it - for those democrats who say they would rather vote for McCain than a democratic nominee (especially where rejecting Obama is concerned) is beyond me! The two parties are DRASTICALLY like night and day, so for you to say you prefer to vote the total opposite of your believe, either tells me that you aren''t a true democrat to begin with, or there is something awfully peculiar about your way of thinking. Which one is it?

[rant3000]

I really don''t get it - for those democrats who say they would rather vote for McCain than a democratic nominee (especially where rejecting Obama is concerned) is beyond me! The two parties are DRASTICALLY like night and day, so for you to say you prefer to vote the total opposite of your believe, either tells me that you aren''t a true democrat to begin with, or there is something awfully peculiar about your way of thinking. Which one is it?

[mkbjon]

If the Hillary supporters want to vote for McCain, let them. Seven of our nine Supreme Court Justices were appointed by Republicans, and soon it will be all nine. I hope they don''''t complain when the matters that are TRULY important are ruled on by what will essentially be a Republican court because every land-grabbing, censor prone, pro-life, gun toting nut will be itching to make their way in front of them. That should be entertaining, lol.