HOLLADAY, Utah, April 21, 2008
"Lost Boys" Forced Out By Polygamist Sects
One Tells Maggie Rodriguez They're Seen As Competition To Older Men For Young Women
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Polygamy 'Lost Boy' Speaks
Polygamist sects often turn out young boys because they're seen as competition for the women. Maggie Rodriguez speaks to one of these young men and the director of an organization that helps them.
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Brent Jeffs and Shannon Price on The Early Show Monday (CBS/EARLY SHOW)
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Secret calls from alleged abuse victim lead to raid of religious sect's compound.
Most of the Lost Boys are between 13 and 21 when they're kicked out of compounds such as the one in Eldorado, Texas from which authorities removed more than 400 children and teens in a raid earlier this month.
The alleged wrongdoing cited by sect elders when Lost Boys are tossed include things such as watching a movie, playing football, or talking to a girl, Lost Boys say.
Among the many difficulties Lost Boys face is that they're raised to not trust the outside world. They're usually left with little education or life skills and must learn to live in a world about which they know little, while dealing with the deep psychological pain of being shunned by their families and believing they're beyond spiritual redemption.
One such Lost Boy is Brent Jeffs, nephew of controversial imprisoned polygamist leader Warren Jeffs.
Brent chatted withThe Early Show co-anchor Maggie Rodriguez Monday, along with Shannon Price, director of
Brent told Rodriguez, "(The reason) most of these men, you know, just like me, who were tossed out is if we're not following every little single thing that they say and do, they just find little reasons to kick us out. And you know, merely for the big reason of, you know, we're competition for these older men to get these younger women. It's a sad story.
"They'll usually find something, you know, that you've done wrong. Some little thing, then they'll say, 'well, you need to leave town because you've done this wrong thing. And we don't believe that you need to stay in here with us."
" ... when they're kicked out, these boys, their dad, they're told to drop these boys off at the edge of town and just tell them, 'Good luck.' These boys have nowhere to go. They don't have brothers and sisters, you know, anybody to go to. So they rely on somebody like us (The Diversity Foundation, which Brent is working with), who can kind of help them figure out what they're doing in life. Otherwise, they're just lost and, you know, they end up making some bad decisions down the road. And it's just not a good situation. We definitely need to help them."
Asked if young people in polygamist sects even know it's against the law for someone to marry and have sex with a girl younger than 18, Brent replied, "They don't even talk about it at all in the church. The thing they teach in there is, 'W hat we tell you to do is what you should do, and you should never, ever question what we tell you to do.' They don't say anything about underage marriages and you're being married to this girl that's definitely not of age to be married. They just don't teach that at all."
Price said services her group makes available to Lost Boys vary, "depending on the child and what their availability is of their family back in their community of origin. So most of them I think generally speaking, they're lacking in education, they're delayed in their maturity. So, we do a lot of life skills instruction to make sure that they can integrate into the larger society."
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Any mother who would allow her son to be "thrown" out at age 13 or would allow a daughter to be married at such young ages needs to be prosecuted for neglect!
Mothers are supposed to protect their children---and the "fathers" there--lock them all up, they''re preditators!
When were you not allowed? Stop lying to make yourself feel better.
Posted by chinoriley at 11:
You and a select group of whites are keeping bigotry alive and well---get on with your life--we have no time to be enslaved by our pasts, and believe me--we all have one.
The surplus boys are treated like male farm animals. Since not even the FLDS "gelds" their surplus males, they just kick them out. But its the same result, more females to breed with the select few remaining males.
Wild horses and other "herd" and pack animals are the same way. The "ALPHA" males run off or kill their competition. Subservient males are allowed to remain as "servants" to the alpha of the pack/herd.
What kind of sick culture would raise their children to fear, loathe and distrust the rest of American and then kick many of them out into the world they are supposed to hate?
I''ve been reading about these Mormon polygamy cults and am heartened to know that there are Christian outreach groups in Utah and elsewhere helping the Lost Boys and the girls who want to escape.
The surplus boys are treated like male farm animals. Since not even the FLDS "gelds" their surplus males, they just kick them out. But its the same result, more females to breed with the select few remaining males.
Wild horses and other "herd" and pack animals are the same way. The "ALPHA" males run off or kill their competition. Subservient males are allowed to remain as "servants" to the alpha of the pack/herd.
What kind of sick culture would raise their children to fear, loathe and distrust the rest of American and then kick many of them out into the world they are supposed to hate?
I''ve been reading about these Mormon polygamy cults and am heartened to know that there are Christian outreach groups in Utah and elsewhere helping the Lost Boys and the girls who want to escape.
The people who held slaves have been dead 100 years! It''s time to get over it! You are the one promoting racism and guilt trips on people who have passed legislation three or four times to make you equal and free! Pick it up! Run with it to make a better place instead of walling in something that NEVER happened to you!
Again, home schooled children must every one of them be tested on their knowledge of the US Constitution and the law that they are required to live under.
You can almost pity these people who have been brainwashed by these perverts! On the other hand they have to be condemned for teaching their children they have no choice but to obey some ignorant old men that want a continued string of young virgins to prey on.
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Posted by rwm2_2000 at 02:15 PM : Apr 21, 2008
You pathetic Religious Nazi! They tried every way they could to find out who were the parents of those abused kids, they could NOT! So how do YOU suggest we find the criminals here... If we don''t use DNA to find them and they won''t tell us who the parents are? I''m tired of you Religious Nazi''s and your feeling that you are above the law. AMERICAN CITIZEN''s were being abused and fellony acts were being conducted within the walls of this compound. The LAW is the LAW and you freaks are NOT above it!! Sieg Heil and Amen
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Posted by RowdyTexan2 at 01:53 PM : Apr 21, 2008
+ report abuse
Maybe but the MENTALITY is still there and we all know it! Anyone who is from the State of Texas and refuses to admit such things as the Klan or Christian Idenity are alive and well... to refuse to admit that the SAME mentality that created and cause a war to keep slaves is as strong within their ranks is simply refusing to admit the truth. Go to their web sites, READ them and get back to me if I''m right or wrong on this!!
As far as the state of Texas goes--they are not in the clear as far as I can see either--this has been investigated for over 4 years--how much crime has been committed in 4 years that could have been prevented if they had not drug their feet for so long--how much suffering have the young girls had to endure by being raped for 4 years..this is pathetic. Just because someone says they do things in the name of their religion--does not make it so. If they were killing the girls --because that was a religious belief would that be any different. Rape kills the spirit of these young girls. It is murder anyway you look at it. As far as the lost boys are concerned--that amounts to neglect--which is another form of child abuse. DISGUSTION SITUATION.
The women are part of the conspiracy of silence and, perhaps unknowingly, help groom the children to accept underage *** and marriages and abuse. Victims can and do become victimizers, while still being victims as well. The risk that the mothers would coach the children to say what would cover up the crimes is too great. The Texas court is taking a very careful approach to protecting the children.
This society throughs people, men, women, and children away every day! Don''t beleive me? Just look at the homeless people, you''ll find all ages in that group.Just ask yourself, Are we any better than this cult?
That''s the real crime, of this "society".
It isn''t a psychologically healthy religion, that''s for sure.
The thing that gets me is that while of course I am angry at the sect,for a lot of things, the law handled it all wrong. I mean if a girl from a neighborhood had done the same thing (the call), would the government taken all the women and kids from the neighborhood? Of course not! You know dang well they wouldnt hagve done that. But because this was a religious thing they did. In the neighborhood scenario, they would have interviewed the families and not removed anyone without proof. The government had no right to do it the way they did it.
its the women that are completely brainwashed and abused - which then cycles to the children. These men purposely train their women to be dumb and miniscule. The females, of any age, are the most abused in all of this. How can you blaim a victim?
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/18/polygamy.fri/index.html
http://tinyurl.com/52z7wx
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The surplus boys are treated like male farm animals. Since not even the FLDS "gelds" their surplus males, they just kick them out. But its the same result, more females to breed with the select few remaining males.
Wild horses and other "herd" and pack animals are the same way. The "ALPHA" males run off or kill their competition. Subservient males are allowed to remain as "servants" to the alpha of the pack/herd.
What kind of sick culture would raise their children to fear, loathe and distrust the rest of American and then kick many of them out into the world they are supposed to hate?
I''ve been reading about these Mormon polygamy cults and am heartened to know that there are Christian outreach groups in Utah and elsewhere helping the Lost Boys and the girls who want to escape.
The surplus boys are treated like male farm animals. Since not even the FLDS "gelds" their surplus males, they just kick them out. But its the same result, more females to breed with the select few remaining males.
Wild horses and other "herd" and pack animals are the same way. The "ALPHA" males run off or kill their competition. Subservient males are allowed to remain as "servants" to the alpha of the pack/herd.
What kind of sick culture would raise their children to fear, loathe and distrust the rest of American and then kick many of them out into the world they are supposed to hate?
I''ve been reading about these Mormon polygamy cults and am heartened to know that there are Christian outreach groups in Utah and elsewhere helping the Lost Boys and the girls who want to escape.
The surplus boys are treated like male farm animals. Since not even the FLDS "gelds" their surplus males, they just kick them out. But its the same result, more females to breed with the select few remaining males.
Wild horses and other "herd" and pack animals are the same way. The "ALPHA" males run off or kill their competition. Subservient males are allowed to remain as "servants" to the alpha of the pack/herd.
What kind of sick culture would raise their children to fear, loathe and distrust the rest of American and then kick many of them out into the world they are supposed to hate?
I''ve been reading about these Mormon polygamy cults and am heartened to know that there are Christian outreach groups in Utah and elsewhere helping the Lost Boys and the girls who want to escape.
look at this http://web.sccn2.net/flds/More-Pics.htm and see that i have good and honest proof of this KLK activities with this mormans.
Posted by ME_NZ
you making good point, my friend. and besides, biologically, is impossible for this lesbians to reproduce so in few years, there are none left.
which is why this KLK (krazy lesbians kult) have attempt to kidnap this nice clean mormans girls and have the lawyers sell them to this infertile lesbians couples. this we know by much good and honest proof.
Posted by newviolin
you are mistaken again. this lesbians are the social workers, the judge who try to take the nice clean mormans womens and children and give them to this KLK (krazy lesbians kult), which has taken control of the child welfare services and courts in this america. we have much good and honest proof of this as you can see.
The AMISH - THEY dress "funny", have "different beliefs" and DON''T send their children to GOVERNMENT RUN SCHOOLS.
The Japanese? OH, we ALREADY DID THAT during WWII and after DEMONIZING, CONFISCATING AND KILLING bunches of them DECADES later we "paid reparations".
The NATIVE AMERICANS?? OOPS WE DID DO THAT TO THEM - and EVEN MORE!! Taking their CHILDREN, their Culture and their lands and GUESS what our BUREAUCRATS ARE STILL DOING THAT to them with RELOCATION, TOXIC DUMPING and JACK ABRAMOFF''S kind of "deals".
Maybe the ELITE that manipulate ASSUMPTIONS NEED a TASTE of their OWN ACTIONS.
There are a LOT of "SCARY DANGEROUS things" going on in those UPPER CLASS "gated communities" and McMansions too - let''s go in and CONFISCATE ALL THOSE KIDS so they can be "protected" by our so much "better" military-industrial complex!!
It''ll cut out those pesky rules that REAL PARENTS might use to stand in the way of TOTAL POPULATION CONTROL and MORE cannon fodder for the NEXT WAR.
Didn''t HITLER USE THAT REASONING??
Contact the Texas Department of Social Services.
OVER 400 with YOUR CHOICE of age (they have over 100 of those HEALTHY RARE WHITE BABIES!) No NEED to GO OVER SEAS TO PURCHASE your "STATUS SYMBOL ADOPTION" these are HIGH PROFILE "RESCUES" AND WITH THE right incentives CAN BE played up to have been in A HORRENDOUS situation that WILL guarantee a slot on the TALK SHOW CIRCUIT and PLENTY OF SYMPATHY and CHARITY to "RE-EDUCATE" your NEW "MISGUIDED" attention-getter!!
EXPERIMENTAL LABS - DRUG FREE teenage SUBJECTS under STATE CONTROL and free of SOCIETAL TOXINS AND REBELLIOUS ATTITUDES!
FULL DNA BACKGROUNDS to INSURE the MOST ACCURATE and CLEAR EXPERIMENTAL RESULTS!
A BONANZA of UNTAINTED tissue and blood!
CHILDREN''S "RANCHES" - Running low on "profitable" kids of your CHOSEN GENDER???? NEW SUPPLY AVAILABLE!! UNDER STATE CONTROL and easily "LOST" in the system due to expected DECADES of Bureaucracy.
EXPECTED DELAYS SHOULD take them well into a profitable ADULTHOOD in the "specialized areas" you''re FAMOUS for ( see Boystown SCANDAL info on the web). NO REBELLION and "tattle-tails" here. OBEDIENT, HEALTHY, UN-DRUGGED and a PRIME ASSET for those that like to be "in control"! Shipping prior to processing into LOST STATUS out of State or COUNTRY is extra.
This type of "raid" has only happened 3 times before and is a "once in a lifetime opportunity" due to the need to RESTOCK THESE PEOPLE before HARVESTING THEM!!
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by mrsmiggins-2009
April 24, 2008 4:29 PM PDT
- QUOTE: Would any of you believe me if I told you the truth? I know over a dozen of the so-called "lost boys" And they feel like they were tricked by Dan Fischer because he offered them money. If you were to call any of them "lost boys" now to thier face you would be in danger of a knuckle sandwich! I have asked them to write a letter to the Judge in Texas, and they and the girls that have left with them who grew up in the church are totally disgusted with what is happening to their relatives in Texas! END QUOTE
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See all 48 CommentsPosted by hiimallen at 09:40 AM : Apr 23, 2008
I would be inclined to believe you if you could get some of them to post comments here. They should let the world know that they disagree with the way the State of Texas has handled the YFZ Ranch and the way this reporter has treated their story.
People need to know the whole truth about what''s going on here. It seems like there''s a witch hunt growing, and innocent people are going to get swept up with those who have actually broken the law.