Men From Polygamy Sect Speak
Many of the men in the polygamist sect in Eldorado, Texas didn't know it is illegal to marry someone under 18, one of them tells Early Show co-anchor Maggie Rodriguez in an exclusive interview.
Rodriguez conducted the interview Sunday night with three men whose children were among more than 400 removed by authorities from the sect's compound in a raid earlier this month.
It was the first time since the raid that any male members of the sect spoke with a member of the media.
In the wide-ranging interview, Rodriguez asked, "After all this, can you see why society looks upon you and says, 'A girl who's younger than 18 shouldn't be married and having sex?' Has this forced you to reconsider?"
One of the men, who identified himself as Rulon (none of the three offered a last name) responded, "Yes, many of us perhaps were not even aware of such a law, but yes, we have been made very aware in the last two weeks and we do reconsider -- yes." Rulon says he has six children, ranging in age from a year to nine.
All three said they would submit to DNA testing, as ordered by a Texas judge who wanted to help authorities determine who the parents of the children in custory are.
A man who gave his name as Edson and told Rodriguez he has four children, from almost four-years-old to 11, took issue with the view that youngsters are abused in the compound.
"I think they have a very false perception of the way we live because we're closed mouthed," Edson said. "They assume a lot of things that aren't there."
To see all of Part One, click on the arrow in the image below.
Asked by Rodriguez if he was saying older men don't marry adolescent girls in the compound, Edson replied, "I didn't say that at all, but I think that people have a false concept of what our religion is all about. To say that they're sexually abused and that people here are -- they haven't found anything to my knowledge that proves that. ... But I think that, overall, they look at us as if we're immoral people and, in our own makeup, that is the very most important part of our religion, is to be morally clean. I have a hard time standing here being a criminal, when I had no idea that I'm a criminal. I've always strived to be an upright man and my children and my family, everyone that I know, love me and I love them."
If an adolescent had sex with an older man, should that be considered abuse?
Ruloln answered, "The state of Texas has defined it as that. I would simply say, if you had a teenage girl that chose to go that way, could you force her to do otherwise? No, you could not. We are not a people of force. We are people of free agency and peace. We do not teach our children to have sexual conduct before they are of age. We do not teach them that; we teach them the contrary."
"But gentlemen," Rodriguez asked, "do you think that a teenage girl has the maturity to make that kind of decision, especially if she sees other girls doing it and maybe might believe that it's OK? Isn't it your responsibility to tell them no it's not OK?"
A mah who said his name is Jake and said he has a two-and-a-half-year-old child, responded, "You can tell your child, 'Go through the courts to do it right and proper."
"So," Rodriguez followed-uop, "are you saying that, that's what you tell girls who are young and want to marry these older men?"
"Well, it's not my -- it's not my child. That's what I'll tell my children -- it's definitely -- after they're 18, it's their choice. If they want to go that route, they can."
Earlier, Jake said it's been very difficult not having his child with him. His voice cracking, he said, "I miss my child, my heart's broken. But, I know that we'll see him sometime soon, if we stay at it and be faithful."
The interview will be broadcast in two parts, Monday and Tuesday on The Early Show.
Copyright 2009 CBS. All rights reserved. Rodriguez conducted the interview Sunday night with three men whose children were among more than 400 removed by authorities from the sect's compound in a raid earlier this month.
It was the first time since the raid that any male members of the sect spoke with a member of the media.
In the wide-ranging interview, Rodriguez asked, "After all this, can you see why society looks upon you and says, 'A girl who's younger than 18 shouldn't be married and having sex?' Has this forced you to reconsider?"
One of the men, who identified himself as Rulon (none of the three offered a last name) responded, "Yes, many of us perhaps were not even aware of such a law, but yes, we have been made very aware in the last two weeks and we do reconsider -- yes." Rulon says he has six children, ranging in age from a year to nine.
All three said they would submit to DNA testing, as ordered by a Texas judge who wanted to help authorities determine who the parents of the children in custory are.
A man who gave his name as Edson and told Rodriguez he has four children, from almost four-years-old to 11, took issue with the view that youngsters are abused in the compound.
"I think they have a very false perception of the way we live because we're closed mouthed," Edson said. "They assume a lot of things that aren't there."
To see all of Part One, click on the arrow in the image below.
Asked by Rodriguez if he was saying older men don't marry adolescent girls in the compound, Edson replied, "I didn't say that at all, but I think that people have a false concept of what our religion is all about. To say that they're sexually abused and that people here are -- they haven't found anything to my knowledge that proves that. ... But I think that, overall, they look at us as if we're immoral people and, in our own makeup, that is the very most important part of our religion, is to be morally clean. I have a hard time standing here being a criminal, when I had no idea that I'm a criminal. I've always strived to be an upright man and my children and my family, everyone that I know, love me and I love them."
If an adolescent had sex with an older man, should that be considered abuse?
Ruloln answered, "The state of Texas has defined it as that. I would simply say, if you had a teenage girl that chose to go that way, could you force her to do otherwise? No, you could not. We are not a people of force. We are people of free agency and peace. We do not teach our children to have sexual conduct before they are of age. We do not teach them that; we teach them the contrary."
"But gentlemen," Rodriguez asked, "do you think that a teenage girl has the maturity to make that kind of decision, especially if she sees other girls doing it and maybe might believe that it's OK? Isn't it your responsibility to tell them no it's not OK?"
A mah who said his name is Jake and said he has a two-and-a-half-year-old child, responded, "You can tell your child, 'Go through the courts to do it right and proper."
"So," Rodriguez followed-uop, "are you saying that, that's what you tell girls who are young and want to marry these older men?"
"Well, it's not my -- it's not my child. That's what I'll tell my children -- it's definitely -- after they're 18, it's their choice. If they want to go that route, they can."
Earlier, Jake said it's been very difficult not having his child with him. His voice cracking, he said, "I miss my child, my heart's broken. But, I know that we'll see him sometime soon, if we stay at it and be faithful."
The interview will be broadcast in two parts, Monday and Tuesday on The Early Show.
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Who''s next?
The AMISH - THEY dress "funny", have "different beliefs" and DON''T send their children to GOVERNMENT RUN SCHOOLS.
The Japanese? OH, we ALREADY DID THAT during WWII and after DEMONIZING, CONFISCATING EVERYTHING THEY HAD AND KILLING bunches of them - DECADES later we "paid reparations".
The NATIVE AMERICANS?? OOPS WE did DO THAT TO THEM - and EVEN MORE! Taking their CHILDREN, their Culture and their lands and GUESS what our BUREAUCRATS ARE STILL DOING THAT to them with RELOCATION, TOXIC DUMPING and JACK ABRAMOFF''S kind of "deals".
The "witches" we KILLED took HUNDREDS of YEARS of DEMONIZATION and some are STILL not "cleared".
Maybe the "high and Mighty" so-called ELITE that manipulate ASSUMPTIONS, NEED a TASTE of their OWN PRESUMPTIVE ACTIONS.
There are a LOT of "SCARY DANGEROUS things" going on in those ELITE "gated communities" and McMansions too - let''s go in and CONFISCATE ALL THOSE KIDS "on suspicion" ALSO so they can be "PROTECTED" by our so VERY much "BETTER" military-industrial, human warehouse, processing complex!
Besides, DFS NEEDS to JUSTIFY MORE MONEY AND STAFFING.
KID CONFISCATION will cut out those pesky rules that REAL PARENTS might use to stand in the way of TOTAL POPULATION CONTROL and more CANNON FODDER FOR THE NEXT WAR.
Didn''t HITLER USE THAT REASONING??
DO like Ron Paul''s ECONOMIC ideas, McCain''s MILITARY SERVICE, OBAMA''s DIVERSITY and Hillary''s pantsuits though.
The part you copied is SATIRE so have a GOOD LAUGH.
Probably treading on thin ice with it but what the heck - THIS NATION ALREADY HAS 25 PERCENT of the WORLD''S INMATES with only 5 percent of the world''s population.
One more sick old VET won''t matter. I''ve been to the VA and have the "Survivor T-Shirt" to show for it..
Posted by pattynottoli at 11:07 AM : Apr 21, 2008
Well... YOU certainly appear to have had dealings with them and they appear to NOT have gone in your favor. The foster care systems and other apparatus are faulty, but they are better than simply letting children suffer and die at the hands of their parents or others. So....while you may have a point--it gets lost because no where do you address the real possibility that girls may be abused on that ranch and that children may have to subject themselves to old men against their will--and if we really are paying their welfare bills and even if we are not, society has an obligation to investigate and try to do something. Inconviencing the families in the matter is far better than leaving children hostage to horrendous situations. Sorry that you view it all so differently--makes one wonder what CPS caught and punished YOU for doing.
Posted by yahsuports at 09:53 AM : Apr 21, 2008
In earlier articles, it was reported that at least half the women are on Welfare.
Posted by blazercoach1 at 08:48 AM : Apr 21, 2008
Because if the women got welfare and were living with the father, they committed welfare fraud. (Welfare is for single mothers who get no support from the child''s father or from others). So the mommies would have to be tried. Also, after all this time, the women are aiders and abettors. Unfortunately, this means the best leverage to get to the bottom of the abuse and charges is to take all in. The women have been release since then, right? (though not with the kids) They should all be tried for welfare fraud.
Posted by RowdyTexan2 at 08:46 AM : Apr 21, 2008
Many women who get welfare do not know the father of their child or claim not to know. That is because if they know, the gov will go after their lover to recoup the money they got in welfare. So many say that they do not know to keep their boyfriends, lovers or husbands from having to get in trouble. I have no doubt these people did the same. But the fact is, if they got welfare and had a husband in the household, they committed welfare fraud, which means the mommas should be going to jail as well as the daddies.
Posted by JackKnows at 08:32 AM : Apr 21, 2008
Are you on drugs? Ted Bundy was well dressed and came from a good home---they say he was nice too. Your point?
Posted by MyOpinion1 at 08:38 AM : Apr 21, 2008
so did Jim Jones and he fvcked many of his followers and their children--regardless of race. Then he forced them to take cyanide laced koolaide some of them at gun point. It is from that incident that we get the term "drinking the koolaide" to denote people who blindly follow others. Jim Jones led or forced over 900 people to their deaths. He was a great believer in free sexxx, polygamy and child rape also.
Posted by klyinaz at 02:35 PM : Apr 22, 2008
your poor daughter. Hate to think what her life must already be like with your mindset. Many girls start menstruating at ages younger than 12 (like 9 or 10) I remember my first time --I was over 18. It hurt like he11, Imagine the pain of even younger girls--the idea is barbaric as is your desire to excuse it.
Posted by CKROFLITE at 03:48 PM : Apr 22, 2008
Obviously you have not read the Bible. (it''s the book that most "Christians" go by. God mandates not only monogamy but that women must cling unto their husbands and that to take another''s wife or go outside the marriage is fornication as well as adultery. God specifically says he gives to a husband a helpmate (singular) not helpmates (plural) and in the few times that polygamy is brought to the fore in scripture--it is castigated as adultery. That''s why. If you don''t understand something READ about it, most of the time the answer is right there.