April 20, 2008
Clinton Has Nothing To Lose
The Weekly Standard: Though Both Candidates Faced Tough Questions, Hillary Came Out On Top
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Obama Grilled At Debate
Barack Obama was in the hot seat, grilled over his preacher and patriotism at a televised debate that drew criticism for dividing an already fragmented Democratic party. Dean Reynolds reports.
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Obama Brushes Off Clinton Jabs
"CBS News RAW": Campaigning in Raleigh, N.C., Barack Obama speaks about the ABC debate, saying Hillary Clinton "looked in her element. She was taking every opportunity to get a dig in there."
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Democratic Debate Analysis
Jeff Greenfield speaks with Harry Smith about the problems besetting the Democratic presidential candidates and whether they successfully addressed them in their last debate before the Pa. primary.
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Democratic presidential hopefuls, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., left, and Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., stand behind the podium before a Democratic presidential debate at the National Constitution Center, Wednesday, April 16, 2008. (AP)
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Hillary Clinton
A look at a life and career full of firsts.
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Barack Obama
A look at the life and meteoric rise of the president-elect.
You only had to watch last night's Democratic presidential debate to understand why Hillary Clinton stays in the race. She's losing the nomination fight to Barack Obama in both the delegate count and the popular vote. But if bad things happen to her in a debate or while campaigning, she'll be no worse off. She'll still be losing. Her prospects of winning may be slightly more remote, but they aren't exactly bright now.
But if bad things happen to Obama, that's another story. In a debate, he's bound to be asked questions about matters he'd rather not be front and center in this campaign. And indeed those matters were dwelled on last night: his pastor Reverend Jeremiah Wright, his week-old putdown of small town voters, the American flag pin he no longer wears. No good can come to Obama when these issues dominate a nationally televised debate, as they did last night.
Sure, Clinton had a tough time dealing with her lie about having been under sniper fire in Bosnia in 1995. But so what? She's already suffered whatever hurt that episode may have caused her. For now, all Clinton has to do is stay in the race and hope Obama makes more rookie mistakes. No Clinton candidacy, no TV debates, far less pressure on Obama.
He made a few mistakes last night under questioning by Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos but not egregious ones. He compared his association with a former left-wing bomber to his friendship with a Republican senator. He said he hadn't signed a questionnaire in which he advocated a ban on guns, though it's been widely reported that his signature was on the document. He said he might raise the capital gains tax even though a higher rate might reduce the revenue it takes in.
Obama insisted repeatedly that the debate indeed, the entire presidential campaign had gotten off the track whenever he was asked about unfriendly issues. These were a distraction from the real issues confronting America, he insisted, though once again he and Clinton essentially agreed on almost every single one of those supposedly more important issues when they did come up.
Clinton, given her desperate position, was free to say just about anything. She cited her record of "35 years of producing results," though what these results might be remains a mystery. She claimed to be "ready to be commander-in-chief," but her only evidence was that some retired generals have endorsed her.
Obama doesn't have to provide Clinton a national audience for these dubious claims. All he has to do is refuse any further debates, including one in North Carolina before the state's May 6 primary that CBS wants to stage. Clinton has already accepted.
This won't keep Obama entirely out of trouble. He made the disastrous comment about working class people clinging to guns and religion at a private gathering in the San Francisco mansion of the Gettys, classic limousine liberals. But declining further debates will reduce the risks he faces as the frontrunner.
He was lucky in San Francisco. His remarks were tape recorded, but there was no video. Imagine if there had been. His condescending remarks about the denizens of rural Pennsylvania would still be playing everywhere, not just on cable news.
Clinton wasn't as lucky. Her peaceful arrival in Bosnia with no snipers around was videotaped for all to see. And no doubt anyone likely to vote this year did.
By Fred Barnes
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See all 87 CommentsPosted by olandug at 01:39 PM
Hehe do you realize you''re an absolute freak? :)
WHERE IS BIN LADEN? That has really been the only relevant question that needs asking since the invasion of Afghanistan.
Seven years of war. Civil rights breached by our commander in chief. Internationally recognized torture sanctioned by the White House. Two invaded and currently occupied countries. Hundreds of thousands dead, including OVER 4000 American soldiers. Billions of our tax dollars spent, and yes, are still being spent to this very moment.
Iraq, which had NOTHING to do with 9/11, is now an occupied country which will implode when we get out of it, whether that happens one, two, ten or five hundred years from now. A society that CHOOSES to be ruled by religion cannot become a democracy; it can only be a theocracy with voting cards.
Bin Laden still lives. The mastermind of 9/11 still walks free.
The one, simple word for this is: failure. No amount of deception, indignation or wailing by republicons can change these facts.
Failure of Bush. Failure of Cheney. Failure of the republicans.
Time for a change.
1. As First Lady, Hillary assumed authority over healthcare reform, a process that cost the taxpayers over $13 million. she told both Bill Bradley and Pat Moynihan, key votes needed to pass her legislation, that she would "demonize" anyone who opposed it. But it was opposed; she couldn''t even get it to a vote in a Congress controlled by her own party. (And in the next election, her party lost control of both the House and Senate.
2. Hillary assumed authority over selecting a female attorney general. Her first two recommendations (Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood) were forced to withdraw their names from consideration, and then she chose Janet Reno. Janet Reno has since been described by Bill himself as "my worst mistake."
3. Hillary recommended Lani Guanier to head the Civil Rights Commission. When Guanier''s radical views became known, she had to withdraw her name.
4. Hillary recommended her former law partners, Web Hubbell, Vince Foster, and William Kennedy for positions in the Justice Department, White House staff, and the Treasury, respectively. Hubbell was later imprisoned; Foster "committed suicide," and Kennedy was forced to resign.
7. Another of Hillary''s assumed duties was directing the "bimgo eruption squad" and scandal defense; urging her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit; refusing to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor after $80 million of taxpayer money was spent. Starr''s investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs.
---- Then they had to settle with Paula Jones after all.
---- And Bill lost his law license for lying to the grand jury.
--- And Bill was impeached by the House.
--- And Hillary almost got herself indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice (she avoided it mostly because she repeated, "I do not recall," "I have no recollection," and "I don''t know" 56 times under oath).
-- Hillary wrote "It Takes a Village," demonstrating her Socialist viewpoint.
-- Hillary decided to seek election to the Senate in a state she had never lived in. Her husband pardoned FALN terrorists in order to get Latino support and the New Square Hassidim to get Jewish support. Hillary also had Bill pardon her brother''s clients, for a small fee, to get financial support.
-- Then Hillary left the White House, but later had to return $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork she had stolen.
-- In the campaign for the Senate, Hillary played the "woman card" by portraying her opponent (Lazio) as a bully picking on her.
-- Hillary''s husband further protected her by asking the National Archives to withhold from the public until 2012 many records of their time in the White House, including much of Hillary''s correspondence and her calendars. (There are ongoing lawsuits to force the release of those records.)
-- Hillary''s one notable vote, supporting the plan to invade Iraq, she has since disavowed.
CLICK The Video Link below ; The pandering Clintons first were pushing the Iraq Regime Change in the 1990s , and now they pander for the Voters that are against the war .
http://www.bercasio.com/movies/dems-wmd-before-iraq.wmv
Barack Obama was right with his analogy , never pandered , said things like they are like it or not . Thats the kind of Leadership we all need at a time like this , A New Frontier to work on .
They all were wrong , so why should they, " The Clintons " , have another shot at the Highest Office in the Land ??
Hillary is the only one with the UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE PROGRAM that is needed to bring our country out of 3rd world status. "The United States is the only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not provide universal health care." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care
Look at these videos and then choose for yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmHtGQq-z_Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8QCkgg5Kjo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb6P4JJbe9k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WNGjawtP48
Wake up ObamaBots, Obama is trying to fool you into taking our Country down!!
No one else but Obama gave WEAK and UNSATISFYING answers to the tough questions previously mentioned.
Obama MUST have known that these controversial issues would come back to haunt him, he can''t possible be that naive. He should have had better answers and been able to make good of the situation. Instead, Obama is once again trying to DIVERT our attention to some OTHER problems, this is the game he plays whenever he does not have a REAL ANSWER to a problem. This is no leader, this is a SHAMMER and a LIAR.
The debate moderators were merely asking the questions that were posed by regular citizens.
Hillary Clinton also got the sniper question thrown at her, to which she gave a reasonable answer and hasn''t been crying about it since.
Peace My Brotha!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-0704030881apr04,0,6468332.story
Obama drags his feet and conveniently snips two ENTIRE STATES(that didn''t vote for him) out of their right to vote (FLA and MI):
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/8/114740/0049
Hillary has everything to loose, shame on you for mocking that.
Hillary is a fighter, and it takes more than cheap "worship Obama(the unfit one)" reporting to take her out.
Talk about destroying the party, the Obama-Cultists and the Media-For-Obama-Can-Do-No-Wrong-foundation are the ones that are doing it.
If Barack Obama was such a stellar candidate, why has he not won the contest by a LANDSLIDE?
Get your head out of the clouds and look at the real issues, Barack is NOT the CLEAR winner. Barack is simply trying to FOOL America long enough to vie himself into the General Election. And if he succeeds, the GOP is going to eat him for breakfast and at least HALF of Democrats may vote against him.
The patterns have been clear, and will only continue to be proven, Barack Obama is a WEAK candidate. Don''t waste your vote on a Loser!
Barack Obama doesn''t care about the working class voter, he aims to raise taxes for them, not provide them with a UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE PROGRAM, and possibly take away their rights to own guns and worship who they want.
"Obama vulnerable on firearms issue"
http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080419/NATION/121864374/1002&template=nextpage
For example:
Okay, Ames planted his last terrorist bomb 38 years ago, but he was unrepentant as of 9/11 and Obama went to his home for a fundraiser since then. (I can''t remember the last time I knowingly went to a terrorist''s home for tea and cookies.)
Given the no-reporters and no cameras restrictions on the ill-fated San Francisco bashing of PA rural voters, one has to wonder if Obama meant what he said or, alternatively, if he is merely inarticulate in the extreme.
Flag lapel pins are, admittedly, not a big deal. But, refusing to wear one is, at least, worthy of question.
Not crossing one''s heart with hand during the National Anthem is also, perhaps, not a big deal, but why defy the norms?
Obama''s wife, until her husband became a candidate for President, was not proud to be an American. I''m proud, and I''m 15 millionith on the list.
1) Because the norms are what has gotten the U. S. into such trouble.
2) Because any time that you use compliance with %u201Cthe norms%u201D to determine right from wrong, you%u2019re defying everything America is supposed to stand for.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care
People that are against Universal Healthcare are probably:
Working as an insurance company exec and are paid a lot of money by "Profiting" from denying people care that are dying.
Uninformed to the fact that the US is the only modern country that doesn''t take care of its people with a Universal Healthcare program.
Don''t realize that having Universal Healthcare will boost our economy and make things better for the working class.
Universal Healthcare will lead to other "for the people" changes(that other countries already know about), such as fewer overtime hours, more focus on family, and "Preventing" health problems as opposed to reporting to the Emergency room only to find out it''s too late.
Also, he could have it removed from our funeral processes for those who have paid the ultimate price for our country and way of life.
http://www.flags.com/faqdesk_info.html?faqPath=3&faqdesk_id=13
Perhaps Barack can also make a parking lot out of Arlington national cemetery because all those who lie there are part of the "old" ways that need "change".
Don''t fall for Baracks lies, you are better and smarter people than this.
Hillary is the one that will help the country, because she cares about America.
"Sen. Clinton, it''s widely held that you are untrustworthy, what can you say to convince people that they can believe you?"
"Sen Clinton, your husband''s administration had more claims of corruption as well as successful legal actions taken against it than any other administration in the history of the USA. What would you do different to convince Americans that the Clintons aren''t bald faced crooks?"
"Sen Clinton, you claim that your experience comes from being the First Lady for eight years. What can you say about the many failures that you were charged with? Such as the failed healthcare reform, your recommendations of Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood who were forced to withdraw their names from consideration, and then you chose Janet Reno. Janet Reno has since been described by Bill himself as "my worst mistake."
"Sen Clinton, EVERYONE knows that you are an elitist that believes America somehow "owes" you the Presidency. What do you say to those that see through your attacks on your own party that are causing many to choose McCain over anything Democrat?"
"Finally, Sen Clinton, America is tired of the Clinton antics, when will you permanently go away and never come back? We REALLY want to know!"
"Sen Clinton, why did you urge Bill not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit, especially when Bill had to settle with Paula Jones after all.?"
"Sen Clinton, why did you refuse to release the Whitewater papers? Your secrecy over your business dealings led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor (who was a Democrat favorite) His investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs. Then Bill lost his law license for lying to the grand jury. And then he was impeached by the House. And you yourself almost were indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice'' which you avoided mostly because you repeated, "I do not recall," "I have no recollection," and "I don''t know" 56 times under oath. America really wants to know Hillary!"
"Sen Clinton, what can you tell Americans about your involvement in having the entire staff of the White House Travel Office fired; then you reported them to the FBI for "gross mismanagement" and you tried to ruin their reputations. After a 30-month investigation, only one, Billy Dale, was charged with a crime - mixing personal money with White House funds when he cashed checks. The jury acquitted him in less than two hours."
Posted by Guilden_NL at 03:16 PM : Apr 20, 2008
I agree this is a serious question, if legitimate. But what does it mean? Would a statistical analysis across various administrations show these occurrences of an official being imprisoned, dying by suicide, resigning a post are somehow significant? On the other hand, how many presidential candidates have had the sort of association that Obama has had with Rev. Wright?
Since you are bringing up this issue, the responsibility for providing proof is yours. The fact that you don''t support your comments with any kind of additional data leads me to believe you are in this for the innuendoes.
Nice shot at pulling at Klintoon getaway. Google it dude, there''s millions of solid references to the Klintoon corruption.
Heck, let''s just take the single last action of those two crooks: The pardon of Marc Rich. Google that too, then look again at the corrupt Klintoons'' riches.
I''ll take a pastor with a big mouth over a pack of thieves any day.
Posted by ttdd3 at 03:42 PM : Apr 20, 2008
Then vote for McSame. At least he isn''t a full fledged crook like the Evil One in pant suits.
Sure, America trusts you. Like a serial killer carrying an AK 47 and ten bandoliers of bullets.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j7cAG1TxjwCG7Xv6Wdn5m7kp_RfwD903OQ001
Also, Wright''s most inflammatory words were not even his own - they were quotes fron Ambassador Peck:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ
Meanwhile, real information about the candidates goes ignored, such as Obama''s 800+ bills in Illinois legislature including the only successful passage of health care reform by the three candidates
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/07/29/us/politics/20070730_OBAMA_GRAPHIC.html
Or his US senate bills on WW threat reduction, government ethics, and immigration reform that he co-sponsored with Senator Lugar, Coburn and and Hagel.
http://thomas.loc.gov
There is a reason that every major Pensylvania newspaper is endorsing Obama - because they don''t get their facts from TV gossip.
I see why she would accept this debate "CBS" will back her again with their b.s.
Posted by cyberus at 05:29 PM : Apr 20, 2008,,,
Sen. Clinton and Sen. McCain openly support each other, in fact if Sen. Obama wins the Democratic nomination the McCain campaign has already said it will apply the Clinton campaign strategy and attacks against Sen. Obama since they are working so well! The only question now is did the McCain campaign send Clinton a thank you card.
Senator Clinton may have nothing to, however is she and Bill do not sit down and shut up, this country does.
WHAT FUELS YOUR PANIC???
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