World Climate Talks Rattled By Bush Speech

President's Goal Of Stopping Growth In Greenhouse Gas Emissions By 2025 Too Late, Some Say

(AP)  A new U.S. call for curbing greenhouse gas emissions shook up climate talks Thursday in Paris among the world's biggest polluters, with some envoys welcoming the gesture and others calling it too little, too late.

U.S. President George W. Bush said the United States must stop the growth in its emissions of greenhouse gases by 2025, acknowledging the need to head off serious climate change.

His White House address Wednesday marked the first time he had set a specific target date for U.S. climate pollution reductions. He said he was ready to commit to a binding international agreement on long-term reductions as long as other polluting countries, such as China, do the same.

In Paris, where talks are scheduled through Friday, South African Environment Minister Marthinus van Schalkwyk said Mr. Bush's speech "takes us backward," because it did not call for mandatory emissions cuts. Such cuts are central to U.N. negotiations on a follow-up plan to the Kyoto Protocol.

Even tougher criticism came from Germany, whose environment minister said Mr. Bush is "lagging hopelessly behind the problems with his proposals."

"His speech follows the motto: 'losership instead of leadership,"' Sigmar Gabriel said in a statement issued in Berlin. "We are glad that there are other voices in the USA."

The meetings in Paris are part of a U.S.-sponsored series of negotiations on global warming. They involve representatives from the countries that produce 80 percent of the world's greenhouse gas emissions, blamed for heating the planet - including the United States, the European Union, China and India.

Mr. Bush's chief adviser on climate change, Jim Connaughton, defended the U.S. position at the talks in Paris. "It was a speech directed at domestic audiences," he said. The United States was "way ahead of the curve," on environmental measures such as developing biofuels and environmentally friendly technology, he added.

He acknowledged that Mr. Bush's speech had caused tensions at the Paris talks, adding, "we will work through that today."

Mr. Bush's aides said the speech was aimed at heading off a "train wreck" of varying legislation in the U.S. Congress.

Delegates from the European Commission and the EU presidency found Mr. Bush's strategy "disappointing," said the chief U.N. climate change official, Yvo de Boer.

De Boer said Mr. Bush's speech immediately became a central topic at Thursday's closed-door talks. "It is really good that there is a proposal on the table by the United States," De Boer said.

Chinese participant Su Wei said it was good news that Bush was talking about emissions at all. But he added, "to take measures to slow down the increase in emissions is not enough."

The Paris talks were initially meant to focus on reducing trade barriers to environmentally friendly technology, and to working out sector-by-sector targets for cutting global emissions. The South African environment minister said the Bush speech was a "complicating factor" that threw off the agenda.

The Paris sessions are the third in the series of U.S.-sponsored talks after meetings in Honolulu in January and New York in September.

[libh8er]

Hey, why don''t all you whining arseclown''s come up with your own programs? Why do you jack-off''s always blame the United States? All you bedwetting crybabies probably owe us more then you could EVER pay back.

[leftyintexas]

Hey, why don''''t all you whining arseclown''''s come up with your own programs? Why do you jack-off''''s always blame the United States? All you bedwetting crybabies probably owe us more then you could EVER pay back.

Posted by LibH8er at 12:49 PM : Apr 17, 20

I see the craaazzy toe tapping republicon lunatic is back with his words of wisdom for those idiots who really care what he spews out. Ha!Ha!Ha! Only 278 days left! Enjoy! Ha!Ha!

[liberalme]

Even tougher criticism came from Germany, whose environment minister said Mr. Bush is "lagging hopelessly behind the problems with his proposals."

Hey Bush--you''re a day late and more dollars short than we can count--in fact it''s not difficult to understand coming from someone with a single digit IQ!

what an idiot!

[DaveGress]

leftyin texas - I agree. He hates liberty. He''s nuckin'' futs for sure. Go to China liberty hater.

[quetzal0666]

LOL. If SHRUB Shuts his mouth and quit blowing hot air, we will meet any standard by 2025.

[DaveGress]

I love the depiction of bush''s style as LOSERSHIP. It''s an instant classic!

[rf35]

Fortunately, in 278 days, the "complicating factor" will be out of office and progress can be made. I am confident that either Deocratic candidate can get us on the road to making America the world leader it had been before the reign of GWB.

[frankson2]

WHAT A FOOL FOR A PRESIDENT! WHAT AN ABSOLUTE JOKE!

[ramos937]

One urgent request - President Bush, please do not touch anything. Just go on a very long vacation in Crawford, TX and leave things status quo. The new President will institute corrective measures soon enough.

[leftyintexas]

Ha Ha, that''''s right numbnuts.....only a few more months until McCain gets elected. Four more years of Bush...Ha Ha.....you f**king losers.

Posted by LibH8er at 04:11 PM : Apr 17, 2008

Well it looks like someone has left ''craaarrzzy''s'' cage unlocked again. Tell me something you sniveling little coward, does your handler know you''ve been playing at the computer again? Naughty, naughty. Ha!Ha!Ha!

[taoman3]

If he cares about this nation and the planet, he should never had invested his interest in oil.

[kesac4650]

Consider that none of those countries with the exception of Germany, who took East Germany''s coal fired generators off line, has gained a bit on their Kyoto pledges, it is a bit foolish to take their comments too seriously.
It is kind of like when Al Gore returned from Kyoto in 1997, and then for the remainder of his term as VP and President of the Senate, did absolutely nothing about global warming. Carbon emissions were never important to him until there was a buck to be made in it.

[incog-nito]

Bush: "Nothing will actually be done until well after I leave office, mind you. I''m just trying to salvage my legacy here."

[glock4me]

Global warming is a hoax and a fad. By 2025, we will know this as a fact and "global warming" will have gone the way of the pet rock.

[ubrew12]

Are we to believe Bush''s announcement just happened to coincide with the Paris talks??

I was welcoming of the Prez''s change in outlook. Seeing now that he staged his announcement to (most likely) derail Global warming talks already underway in Paris just makes me all the angrier. Can''t this administration do anything without their deep political partisanship getting in the way?

Actually. Don''t answer that. Whatever partisan virus has infected Bush/Cheney is no longer of interest to me. They''re irrelevant.

[titletrack]

I just bought a gas guzzling truck, I plan to drive it a lot. I also don''t recycle, and don''t plan on it. Who do I pray to for penance?

[sharncedar]

and bush will balance the budget by the year 2255. And he will have us all on clean cars powered by thought power by the year 2316.

He is amazing, especially in the future.

[ubrew12]

titletrack said: "I just bought a gas guzzling truck, I plan to drive it a lot...Who do I pray to for penance? "

Exxon

[titletrack]

titletrack said: "I just bought a gas guzzling truck, I plan to drive it a lot...Who do I pray to for penance? "

Exxon

Posted by ubrew12

Really - Exxon can forgive people? That''s cool

[hawksprings]

"titletrack said: "I just bought a gas guzzling truck, I plan to drive it a lot...Who do I pray to for penance? "
Exxon
Posted by ubrew12

ubrew, are you crazy??
Everyone knows it''s Father Algore who forgives us of our environmental sins!

[mcvet]

It''''s freezing in Florida in April. Take your Global warming and wipe your arse with it. I''''m cold.


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Posted by maxify55 at 06:15 AM : Apr 18, 2008
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LOL Yeah right! YOU are so intelligent, no wonder you live in a trailer MORON! The phrase Global Warming is a reference to the fact that the Earth is warming melting the Ice Caps. IT does not mean that you will not see cold... it means the the AVERAGE temps are increasing but not by 20-30 degrees MORON. Why don''t you do a little RESEARCH on the issue and stop being an IDIOT PUPPET of the REICH! Shheeezzzz! Sieg Heil Bush!!

[mcvet]

Everyone knows it''''s Father Algore who forgives us of our environmental sins!


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Posted by hawksprings at 10:58 PM : Apr 17, 2008
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You really seem to have some hidden hatred for the former Vice President. Is it YOUR opinion that this whole thing is the product of the Nobel Winner? I mean your strange and constant attacks on this man who has made it his mission to inform all of us of what LEGIONS of scientist are saying isn''t healthy... not at all. Honestly though your hatreds for Gore are boardering on the INSANE sparky! Sieg Heil Bush

[libh8er]

Is it YOUR opinion that this whole thing is the product of the Nobel Winner?
Posted by MCVet at 07:34 AM : Apr 18, 2008

We''re just amazed at his capacity to capitalize on a natural event and turn it in to a ''religion'' where is is the defacto Rev Wright. He''s making a fortune on the backs of fools.

[b-easy63]

Of course Bush is now ready to commit to a cut off date, like he is ready to enter into long term agreements with Iraq--he will be leaving office. There should be a law, that outgoing Presidents are NOT allowed to arbitrate or enter into any long term agreements that will exceed his own tenure in office without approval from Congress. Otherwise, some idiot will commit to a lot of stuff and smirk as the onus to make it all works falls on his successors.

[peter776-2009]

Bush the moron tries to speak again. This story illustrates what happens when you have a head of state who is stupid, doesn''t mind lying, won''t listen to others, and has a fetal alcohol dmamaged brain. The U.S., thanks to our Grand Chickenhawk-in-Chief, has no credibility on the world stage. I can''t wait for dumbo''s next speech, where he announces that no weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq, and the U.S. has decided to abide by the Geneva Convention.

[b-easy63]

It''''s freezing in Florida in April. Take your Global warming and wipe your arse with it. I''''m cold.

Posted by maxify55 at 06:15 AM : Apr 18, 2008


Guess who knows next to nothing about global warming?

Global warming refers to the ratio of gases in the composition of the earth''s atmosphere. To put it in simple terms, the air has to be thick enough in the right amounts of gases and elemental layers to block the radiation from the sun. When it is too thick, radiation and heat is trapped on the earth, creating warmer summers and disrupting weather--BUT, the too warm in summer means winters become erratic often being colder than they ever have been. IN fact, many believe global warming could lead to the next Ice age. Go out and watch "Day after Tommorrow" it can explain better than a blog--what the effects of global warming and melting of the ice caps could be. The real danger is the failure of crops, when winters cannot be predicted and summers are too hot and short and their is drought. Think massive famine--even in America.

Mr. Bush is "lagging hopelessly behind the problems with his proposals." ===

That''s what he does best. One of his best tricks was a little slight of hand trick called Iraq, where he attacked the country to capture WMDs that had already been removed. His next illusion was to give the poor some help with their prescriptions drugs, in which the poor lost their free drugs from pharmeceutical companies and disappeared into a donut hole at a greater cost than before he helped. He''s good, really good. 9 more months and he will make himself disappear from Pennslvania Ave.

[jimfinster]

It''''''''s freezing in Florida in April. Take your Global warming and wipe your arse with it. I''''''''m cold.

Posted by maxify55 at 06:15 AM : Apr 18, 2008


Clearly a scientifically illiterate person. Sad.

[jimfinster]

It''''''''s freezing in Florida in April. Take your Global warming and wipe your arse with it. I''''''''m cold.

Posted by maxify55 at 06:15 AM : Apr 18, 2008



Clearly a scientifically illiterate person. Sad....

[tburzio]

If the US moves aggressively it will be very bad for France. The last time we sent the world into a depression, which Global Warming moves surely would do, Germany went insane and took over France.

Of course, man has no effect on the temperature in the world, since the Sun is getting hotter.

[neo267-2009]

What you want to do and what you can do are two different things.

[mcvet]

What you want to do and what you can do are two different things.


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Posted by Neo267 at 03:13 PM : Apr 18, 2008
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How about what you MUST do and what you want to do??? This isn''t a situation of want to do, it''s a situation of MUST do!

[seafang]

" 2025, to take action in 25 years is ridiculous and irreversable damage. Drought in Africa and Australia is causing food famine. People are starving to death, because of lack of rain. Those who don''''t believe are just idiots with their brains up their butts! The higher prices at the food markets is a good indicator!"

Why do you attack people who simply disagree with you; instead of trying to debate their science ? there''s not a shred of evidence that food shortages are due to a lack of rain anywhere. Try the insane ethanol scam as a reason why people are starving for food. Any species that consumes its food production resources to try and make energy when plenty of that is already available, simply doesn''t deserve to survive.

The present rising CO2 has nothing to do with SUVs. Try the mediaeval warm period 800 years ago, which is how long the delay is between global warming and the ocean outgassing CO2. And you can check Al Gore''s book to get proof of that statement.

Besides, it is known (actual measured data, that a one degree C rise in surface temperature gives a 7% increase in precipitation. So don''t try blaming global warming for water shortages; there''s more than enough water.

[dcm5150]

Sitting here using electricity to read and post stupid non-productive comments its just contributing to the problems. Yes, obviously George Bush is causing global warming and no one else is responsible. Take you own initiative and stop waiting for some "leader" to make you do it. If you say we MUST do something, then start by doing it. Stop using your computer, stop working for companies that use electricity, stop using electricity, don''t drive and motorized vehicle, do not buy anything that was transported using a motorized vehicle or anything that was manufactured using electricity.

But why should on person take action when we can allow all the wonderful governments from around the world take responsibility, its much easier then blaming ourselves.

[dcm5150]

"Guess who knows next to nothing about global warming?"

This is a comment from someone whose entire global warming knowledge base come from a movie?????

[jimfinster]

The present rising CO2 has nothing to do with SUVs. Try the mediaeval warm period 800 years ago, which is how long the delay is between global warming and the ocean outgassing CO2. And you can check Al Gore''''s book to get proof of that statement.

Besides, it is known (actual measured data, that a one degree C rise in surface temperature gives a 7% increase in precipitation. So don''''t try blaming global warming for water shortages; there''''s more than enough water.

Posted by Seafang


LOL. Your water comments show a profound ignorance.

Example 1: Many populations rely on glacial meltwater for their water supply. Example 2: Overall precipitation may increase, but distribution is not even. ie, the historic drought in the southwest U.S. and Australia.

[memerider]

It''s good to see Bush acknowledge there is a greenhouse problem, since the evidence suggests it does exist. We also have to consider not gutting the economy any more than it already has been with the war, off-shoring jobs, etc.

Calling for rigid deadlines that it''s not clear we can reasonably meet isn''t that helpful, so it''s good to set what appear to be realistic goals and not depend on some amazing technological discovery that may not appear.

However, giving the U.N. any power over the U.S. would be a mistake. We have a country with a constitution, and letting foreign dictators and monarchs dictate our behavior is not a good idea.

[aaabee-2009]

Information on food shortages and their multiple causes:

http://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/hunger/environment/index.htm
climate change/environmental perspective.

http://www.truthout.org/issues_06/050907EA.shtml
biofuel crop vs food perspective.

http://www.worldhunger.org/articles/fall2000/messer3.htm
War perspective.

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/1995/2249_food_intro.html
corporate power perspective.

http://www.unu.edu/unupress/unupbooks/uu22we/uu22we09.htm
Straight science perspective.

http://www.ifpri.org/pubs/fpr/fpr30.pdf
2020 Global Food Outlook
Trends, Alternatives, and Choices

[terrapin78]

If the US moves aggressively it will be very bad for France. The last time we sent the world into a depression, which Global Warming moves surely would do, Germany went insane and took over France.

Of course, man has no effect on the temperature in the world, since the Sun is getting hotter.

Posted by tburzio at 03:04 PM : Apr 18, 2008

What do you base this assertion on? Certainly not facts!

[jimfinster]

The sun is getting hotter? Really?

[ubrew12]

Fact 1: The greenhouse effect has been understood without controversy for 180 years. Without greenhouse gases, like CO2, in our atmosphere, we would all freeze to death. No one disputes this.

Fact 2: CO2 levels have gone up 50% in the last 100 years. These increases are measured EVERYWHERE and are not some isolated ''heat-island'' effect. No one disputes this.

How can these two facts be true, and have NO affect on our climate??? Global Warming deniers are smoking some serious Ganja to claim that.

[yamuttya]

When the Chinese are justifiably mocking your position you really are an example of losership.
Bush is a joke, the sooner he leaves, the sooner we can get down to business.
He''s just a tragic waste of time.
Disgraceful, an embarassment to the world.

[yamuttya]

Bush has served an important purpose.
He has convinced the world that they cannot rely on the US for leadership as they had believed they could.
The US cannot be trusted ,and US presidents tend to be corrupt fools.
Never again.

[brianbwb-2009]

Regardless of whether any one agree or disagrees about the causes of climate change, two things cannot be denied, one, we have a finite amount of air, land and water, and two, we are wastefully and unnecessarily pouring toxic garbage into all three, resisting doing right by our home because it might lead to reduced profits.

Those who think this to be no problem are fools, and should be made to live in the most polluted areas as a lesson.

[formrusmcsgt]

He said he was ready to commit to a binding international agreement on long-term reductions as long as other polluting countries, such as China, do the same.
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Considering that his first act as president was to dismiss the Kyoto Accords, you can''t observe that dubya is quick on the uptake by any means......

[louiville2]

formrusmcsgt

Sign a blank check for me and in the process sign off on all your rights to privacy so that I can come and go at your house as I please. In return I will promise to do good things (for me) with the money etc...

Nobody, in the US wanted to sign the Kyoto ***. Countries who did sign already owe Billions of dollars. To who? The same people who brought you the "Oil for Money" scam.

[sjc_1]

Bush said that he would regulate CO2 in 2000. He lied. This should come as no surprise because that seems to be his favorite pass time. Then he said that we could not do anything, because that would be bad for the economy. Now that the economy is crashing, I guess it would be OK.