April 14, 2008
Obama's Unlikely Anti-Abortion Supporters
Washington Post: Anti-Abortion Lawmakers' Backing May Help in Pennsylvania, Indiana
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Sen. Bob Casey Jr., D-Pa., left, holds a pair of bowling shoes from Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., his birthday present, in Steelton, Pa., Sunday, April 13, 2008. (AP)
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Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., speaks at the Compassion Forum at Messiah College in Grantham, Pa., Sunday, April 13, 2008. (AP)
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As strong and consistent abortion foes, Sen. Robert P. Casey Jr. and former congressman Timothy J. Roemer are anomalies in a Democratic Party that has overwhelmingly advocated abortion rights. Yet both are backing Sen. Barack Obama, whom one conservative blogger dubbed "the most pro-abortion candidate ever."
As firmly as Casey (Pa.) and Roemer (Ind.) have adhered to their opposition, Obama has never supported a single measure that would curtail access to abortion -- even under controversial circumstances. But Casey and Roemer have chosen to ignore Obama's legislative record, and are promoting the Democratic presidential candidate to their antiabortion allies as someone who could achieve a new consensus on the issue. "He has the unique skills to try to lower the temperature and foster a sense of common ground, and try to figure out ways that people can agree," Casey said, although the freshman senator added, "On this issue, it's particularly hard."
The endorsements send a powerful signal in two critical battlegrounds: Pennsylvania, which will hold its primary on April 22, and Indiana, which will vote on May 6. Both states have sizable segments of socially conservative Democrats who reject the party's orthodoxy on an issue they have long viewed as troubling and complex.
Casey's endorsement is particularly important because Obama's ability to reach these voters is even more in question in light of the controversy provoked by his description of small-town Pennsylvania voters as driven by bitterness over their economic situation and looking for ways "to explain their frustrations."
Campaigning in both upcoming primary states this weekend, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) seized on the comments to paint Obama as an elitist, out of touch with average Americans. But yesterday Casey said that the better his constituents get to know Obama, "the more they're going to understand his heart and his values, and I think he's going to win."
Obama did not mention abortion in his controversial remarks, made last week at a fundraiser in California, though he noted other divisive social issues. But last week in Indiana, he said that both sides of the abortion debate are guilty of hyperbole.
"The mistake pro-choice forces have sometimes made in the past, and this is a generalization . . . has been to not acknowledge the wrenching moral issues involved," he said. "And so the debate got so polarized that both sides tended to exaggerate the other side's positions. Most Americans, I think, recognize that what we want to do is avoid, or help people avoid, making this difficult choice. That nobody is pro-abortion -- abortions are never a good thing."
Asked last night at a nationally televised forum on religious and moral values if there can be "common ground" on abortion, Obama said that "people of good will can exist on both sides." With Casey watching from the audience at Messiah College outside Harrisburg, Pa., he added that while there will always be irreconcilable differences between opponents and supporters of abortion rights, "we can take some of the edge off the debate."
Obama is trying hard to make inroadsinto Clinton's support among women, and in at least one primary -- in New Hampshire -- her campaign successfully made an issue of his commitment to abortion.
A flier mailed out just before the primary targeted "present" votes Obama had cast in the Illinois legislature. Although he was acting at the behest of local abortion rights advocates, his advisers think that female voters backed off their candidate as a result, probably contributing to his narrow and surprising loss.
But Clinton has also sought to break from party policy, as she, too, made clear last night. She said that "I will continue to do what I can to reduce the number" of abortions, so whoever wins the nomination, Democrats are likely to try to defuse the issue in the general election. Clinton co-wrote, with Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.), a significant abortion-prevention bill in January 2005; Obama signed on early as a co-sponsor.
Any attempt to play down the issue represents a marked change in a party for which abortion rights has been a defining issue. At the 1992 Democratic National Convention, Casey's late father, former Pennsylvania governor Robert P. Casey Sr., was denied a speaking slot after he refused to endorse Bill Clinton because of Clinton's support of abortion rights. His son shares the same convictions, and ran afoul of women's groups in his 2006 Senate race.
Roemer's antiabortion views have also shadowed his political career. Liberal bloggers and some party officials aggressively opposed his bid for chairmanship of the Democratic National Committee in early 2005, causing him to say: "I like a good fight. But don't put my arms behind me. Give me a chance to talk about my values. And don't litmus-test me."
Despite his opposition to abortion, Roemer said he has come to believe that the all-or-nothing approach that both parties have advocated over the years has created gridlock across the policy spectrum, from health care to international policy. He called the old style "tin cans on the back of a car." With Obama, Roemer said, "the first words out of his mouth aren't 'People should be free to do whatever they want.' He leaves open the possibility that there are other ways to address some of these issues."
Antiabortion leaders in Indiana and Pennsylvania were alarmed by the two endorsements, and were wary about the potential consequences. "We feel it's going to cause more confusion than influence," said Maria Vitale, spokeswoman for the Pennsylvania Pro-Life Federation, referring to Casey's endorsement. "But it was notable." To provide clarity, the group's political office mailed a voter guide to 100,000 Democratic and Republican supporters in the state. "A lot of people aren't aware of Barack Obama's position on abortion," Vitale said.
The guide, posted on the group's Web site, notes that Obama voted against parental notification laws. When the Supreme Court voted 5 to 4 last year to uphold a 2003 ban on a procedure that some call "partial-birth" abortion, he objected to the ruling as representing "an alarming willingness on the part of the conservative majority to disregard its prior rulings respecting a woman's medical concerns and the very personal decisions between a doctor and patient."
But Obama supports legislation that promotes abstinence education and contraception subsidies, and he strays into conservative terrain by urging more federal support for those who decide to proceed with unplanned pregnancies. A "Pro Life for Obma" group has formed on his campaign Web site, a lively contingent described as voters "who oppose abortion, but feel that Obama's proposed policies will do a better job of preventing abortion than another four years of Republicans taking half-hearted pro-life positions."
Otherwise, the Web site does not refer to abortion, posing a challenge for voters trying to determine his position. During a town hall meeting in Lafayette, Ind., on Thursday, Obama was asked what type of Supreme Court justice he would appoint. His lengthy answer made no mention of Roe v. Wade, the landmark ruling that legalized abortion.
But threading the needle in a bitter election year is a different matter. In both Pennsylvania and Indiana, Democrats who oppose abortion could swing the outcome of the primary election. In Pennsylvania, the Democratic presidential contest is the only statewide race that will not feature an antiabortion Democrat on the ballot. In Indiana, two socially conservative freshmen, Reps. Joe Donnelly and Brad Ellsworth, face tough reelection battles in November, and neither has taken sides in the presidential race.
"I'm not sure how the Roemer endorsement can be justified," said Mike Fichter, executive director of Indiana Right to Life. "I find it beyond confusing." But he conceded: "It could be significant with people who are paying attention to Obama's sound bites, rather than what he has voted for. For people who are not really digging into the background, support from someone like Roemer could have quite an impact."
By Shailagh Murray
© 2008 The Washington Post Company
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Hey REPUGS, this is what your party leaders have been trying to keep away from you - especially with all that Muslim, Wright BS. Please, educate yourselves and not just take O''Reilly, Rush and Coulerbitch at their words - In another era they''d have been charged with Insitation and treason. Cheers!
i cannot have my tax $$$$$ going toward WELFARE ABORTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
REALLY, HOW? YOU CAN''T EVEN CONTROL YOUR OWN HUSBAND!
Obama was asked what type of Supreme Court justice he would appoint. His lengthy answer made no mention of Roe v. Wade, the landmark ruling that legalized abortion.
HIS LENGTHY ANSWERS DON''T EVER SAY ANYTHING AND DO NOT PROVE HE IS COMMITTED TO MAKING DECISIONS.
Even after hearing testimony and seeing pictures of it, he still was for it.
As soon as he left Illinois it was passed right through.
He still is a 100% for Abortion. he even said his own daughters should not have to pay for an error. He wants more funding going to abortion.
100% gay marriage and shared benefit packages - this last week talking to the gay reporters.
He is For gun control at the state and local governments making the laws.
Of course Mr Obama Changes his stance and platform on who he is talking to and who he is trying to impress at the moment. That must be for how much money he can get or how many votes he can get at the time or what he is interested in most.
Nothing to believe in with this guy.
A pregnant woman, under normal circumstances, feels, not only an emotional and psychological attachment to her potential/future baby, but a biological need to protect the life developing inside her. I know that was the case for me. Although the circumstances were not ideal for me to have a baby when I became pregnant, by the time I confirmed the pregnancy, the life inside me had become the most important part of my life, overshadowing everything else that my life had been. The importance of my own life took a back seat; its primary purpose became the protection of the being I already thought of as my baby, the most precious being on the planet.
A woman or girl whose circumstances - medical, or otherwise - overcome those intense protective feelings built in by nature, is in a better position than I am to judge the best choice among bad choices. That''s right, sometimes we don''t get to choose between good and bad. Sometimes it''s bad or worse.
As important as my son was to me before he was even recognizable as a baby, every embryo is a part of its mother''s body until it is viable outside its mother. If you think the government has the right to control our bodies for a good cause, then I''m sure you would support a law that requires everyone to give up one kidney. Lots of people die waiting for them, and you need only one.
Obama hemmed and hawed and basically said nothing coherent. He was pathetically averse to simply saying that the Genesis story in the Bible is a myth created a couple millenia ago. It is Science that is telling us the real story of the origin of the Universe - maybe not the why, but at least the how.
It is pathetic if 1) he does not know and believe this, and pathetic if 2) he knows it but was unwilling to say it for fear of antagonizing Fundamentalist Christians. I fear it was the latter - pure political PANDERING.
I don''t expect any politician to deliver on all of their promises and I have no illusions about Obama being able to accomplish everything he wants to.
At the same time, common sense tells me that a politician who sincerely trys to make change will accomplish more, even with some failures, as one who doesn''t even try to change anything for the better.
That would be John McCain.
I do give him credit for working to eliminate earmarks and to reform campaign finance. I was thinking more about Iraq, tax cuts for the rich vs. tax cuts for the middle class, and the government playing a role in stimulating the economy.
Those are the issues people should be debating rather than the character assassination stuff.
McCain''s character isn''t perfect but he''s generally honorable and I think the same is true of Obama.
Posted by bdrlnt4rl at 10:35 AM : Apr 14, 2008
Ummm...so you''d rather have your tax $$$$$ going toward WELFARE BABIES instead?
The average cost of a first-trimester abortion is $468.
Link: http://www.guttmacher.org/in-the-know/cost.html
The average welfare payment for one child over the course of eighteen years is $62,992.
Link here: http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/cfc_fy96.htm
I am sick to death of paying child support for someone else''s children. I will happily pony up $468 to ensure that a child does not tap into my checkbook till he or she reaches adulthood.
I''ve never before told someone on here that they are stupid. I''ll make an exception in your case.
Maybe Obama did him and haw because he''s a politician who doesn''t want to have any more of his words dissected and made into headlines.
On the other hand, I would have difficulty answeriing that question myself and I don''t accept that your 2 alternatives are the only ones.
I believe in an omnicient creator as generally described in the Bible but I don''t think the 6 days
referred to is necessarily comparable to what 6 days mean to us.
The reference point for us in understanding what 6 days is relates to the earth revolving around the sun.
The earth wasn''t revolving around the sun before and while it was being created. Certainly a different measure of time was at work and we have no way of determining the length of a "God Day".
The earth wasn''''t revolving around the sun before and while it was being created. Certainly a different measure of time was at work and we have no way of determining the length of a "God Day".
Posted by realpatriot1 at 12:49 PM : Apr 14, 2008
You sound like a politician ..... and seem very smart too. Cheers!
Doesnt these comprehensive %u2018sex ed%u2019 programs have more to do with teaching sexual technique than abstinence. Some of the lesson plans actually give detailed information on how to use condoms or participate in so-called "condom races."
Don''t these curricula typically have middle school children practice unrolling condoms on *** or cucumbers. They have kids go out and practice buying condoms in stores around the neighborhood. They have homosexual role playing. They teach kids to hide condoms on their bodies so their partners can feel them and find the condom. It is material virtually that no parent in the United States would want to have their children exposed to.
Isnt abstinence a deceptive choice of wording??. It appears to me that many of these programs are quietly passing parental muster because they sound safe and unassuming with names like "abstinence based" or "abstinence plus." yet in fact they are teaching children to have *** and with this type of teaching armed with their unbridled hormones they will.
What we need to do is tell teens that teens that are sexually active are about three times more likely to be depressed than those who are not., They are three to five times more likely to attempt suicide. And early teen sexual activity is related to health problems and sexually transmitted diseases. But more than that, early teenage sexual activity sets up a pattern of casual *** and promiscuity that can last a lifetime. This is what we need to tell teens, and we''re not telling them. The same as we are not telling people that the bedfellow of homosexuality is disease and the horrific things that they do to get these diseases and that their life span is less than hetrosexuals.
Parents dont want explicit programs, such as those that teach children as young as five about masturbation.
I think that''s called political cowardice. He should be willing to state what he believes.
"The earth wasn''t revolving around the sun before and while it was being created." - realpatriot1
Yes, actually astronomers have found plenty of evidence that it was. Other planetary systems in formation have been observed orbiting in the protoplanetary disks around other sun-like stars.
"I don''t think the 6 days referred to is necessarily comparable to what 6 days mean to us." - realpatriot1
The real problem is that "6 days", of whatever length, contradicts what scientists know about the formation of the Universe. It just doesn''t work that way.
Vote Pro-Life
It%u2019s not a good idea to vote single-issue. At the very least, it makes us easy to manipulate. candidates tell us.
This chart has nothing to do with the %u201Ccorrect%u201D position on these various issues, just which positions are actually %u201CPro-Life%u201D.
1. War: more than 4,000 Americans dead, 500,000-1,000,000 Iraqis dead, many of them women and children, most non-combatants, 1-2,000,000 made into penniless refugees.- Against- Dems
2. Clean air and water- for- Dems
3. Mitigating the catastrophic effects of climate change- for- Dems
4. A living minimum wage- for- Dems
5. Universal access to good health care- for- Dems
8. OSHA, and the enforcement of existing safety regulations- for- Dems
...first of two parts...
9. Reasonable gun control (Competency requirements, background checks, and limits on the firepower your neighbor can hoard)- for- Dems
10. Legitimizing "rendition" and torture- against- Dems (acknowledging that waterboarding is, in fact, torture- Dems)
11. Stem cell research, probably the most promising new medical technology since antibiotics- for- Dems
12. Arms dealer to the world- against- Dems (Dems spend almost as much per year on the military as the ENTIRE rest of the world. Republicans argue that that is too little.)
13. School nutrition- for- Dems
14. Food labeling- for- Dems
15. Tobacco- against- Dems
16. Sustainability- for- Dems
17. Armageddon (Evangelical Christians believe that Armageddon is both immanent and desirable, so that they can "rapture")- against- Dems
Democrats would reduce abortions by making reproductive education and contraception readily available. Republicans would reduce abortions by forcing under-age, unwilling, unready, financially unstable, single mothers to accept children as a punishment for immorality.
Voting against abortion does NOT make you %u201CPro-Life%u201D.
I''ve always seen myself as a pro-prevention person, which is why Planned Parenthood gets my dime for their low cost/free distribution of birth control. I used it at 18 and I avoided becoming a painful statistic.
One criticism of the writing...
"...Sen. Barack Obama, whom one conservative blogger dubbed "the most pro-abortion candidate ever."
Which one? Did CBS really start of an article with a single person''s faceless option? The link they provide goes to a general page with no mention of the word "choice" or "abortion" in any of the entries. Perhaps I missed it? I think they just wanted to use the phrase "pro-abortion" in reference to Obama without taking the heat for it. Again, NO ONE is pro-abortion.
how can you use language like ". Barack Obama, whom one conservative blogger dubbed "the most pro-abortion candidate ever."
How is that a reliable source? how is that balanced? how can you call that accurate!
that''s like saying.. "Hitler, whom one man has called, the most pro-life nazi ever"
this article is the pure definition of Typical American Fluff ''news''. please, if you''re going to write, do it with integrity.
Vote pro life - we need more people to kill on death row.
Vote pro life - we need more people to kill on death row.
Vote pro life - we need more people to kill on death row.
-Posted by BLACKSPIRIT3 at 02:45 PM : Apr 14, 2008
Huh? How about voting Pro-Life, then raising your child PROPERLY. Perhaps even sticking around to raise your child, instead of leaving the mom on her own and refusing to pay child support, you dirt bag.
-Posted by coffeelohr at 01:44 PM : Apr 14, 2008
Oh I''m sorry. Did you say something?
I''d love to sit here and listen to you ramble on, but I have to take a *****.
Response to coffeelohr "Republicans would reduce abortions by forcing under-age, unwilling, unready, financially unstable, single mothers to accept children as a punishment for immorality."
you have two things to consider- 1. Unless you are asserting that it is Republicans that are forcible impregnating these under age unwilling, unready, financially unstable, single mothers, can you blame a political party for the situation that these young women find themselves in? 2. Which is more appopriate, having someone take reponsibility for his/ her decisions or allowing them to commit murder as a way out(if murder is too strong or moral- how about manslaughter)?
I agree with cofeelohr on the other issues that should recieve the label Pro Life- but leaving aboortion of the list is ridiculous.
His son has disgraced his father, his family, and his religion with his endorsement and active campaigning for Nobama. He pursues this course despite Obama''s defiant battle to try to prevent Democrats from joining in the battle to shut off funding for the abhorrant partial-birth abortion procedure. NObama!
Had abortion never been legalized, today there would be close to 21 million U.S. citizens that would be of voting age in 2008. They would all be between 18 and 36 years old, which is a demographic that has given him strong support already. Additionally, of those 21 million, there would statistically be a large majority that would be members of the African-American community, another political stronghold. Most aborted babies statistically would have voted for Obama. Had abortion not been legalized, the issue of Immigration we currently face would not be such a crisis, and neither would we be as concerned with our social security system.
My point was that the advice to abstain does not work, and never can. This is simple biology. Even in cultures where extra-marital relations are punishable by death or mutillation, that advice doesn''t work. Some teens manage to abstain, but there will always be many who do not. Prevention before the fact is more practical and more humane.
in my note, abortion was not left out, it got the most attention in comparing Pro-Life policies.
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by aldee41
April 15, 2008 12:01 PM PDT
- As King George the Clueless continues to squander our fighting forces and economic assets on a fruitless effort to steal the oil of Iraq the fate of the unborn has become of minor importance. We may be faceing "One Family-One Child" as food and other resources decline in the face of national debt and increasing global disdain. Abortion may not be an option. It may be the law.
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