BAGHDAD, Iraq, April 12, 2008

Militants Fight On Despite Calls For Calm

Followers Of Al-Sadr Clash Following Assassination Of Cleric's Aide; 1 U.S. Soldier Killed By Roadside Bomb

    • An Iraqi Army soldier removes razor wire as he lets cars out of the Shiite enclave of Sadr City, Baghdad, April 12, 2008. On Saturday Iraqi authorities lifted a two-week ban on vehicle movement in Sadr City. Photo

      An Iraqi Army soldier removes razor wire as he lets cars out of the Shiite enclave of Sadr City, Baghdad, April 12, 2008. On Saturday Iraqi authorities lifted a two-week ban on vehicle movement in Sadr City.  (AP Photo/Karim Kadim)

    • A child is treated for wounds suffered overnight, in a hospital in eastern Baghdad, April 12, 2008. The U.S. military says security forces have killed at least 13 militants in overnight clashes there. Photo

      A child is treated for wounds suffered overnight, in a hospital in eastern Baghdad, April 12, 2008. The U.S. military says security forces have killed at least 13 militants in overnight clashes there.  (AP Photo/Adil al-Khazali)

    • An Iraqi man sits by a vegetable market stand that was destroyed in an air strike carried out in the Shiite enclave of Sadr City, April 12, 2008. Photo

      An Iraqi man sits by a vegetable market stand that was destroyed in an air strike carried out in the Shiite enclave of Sadr City, April 12, 2008.  (AP Photo/Karim Kadim)

    • An Iraqi woman shouts slogans demanding the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq during a demonstration organized by the Independent Federation of Iraqi Trade Unions in downtown Baghdad, Saturday, April 12, 2008. Photo

      An Iraqi woman shouts slogans demanding the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq during a demonstration organized by the Independent Federation of Iraqi Trade Unions in downtown Baghdad, Saturday, April 12, 2008.  (AP Photo/Hadi Mizban)

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(CBS/AP)  Shiite militants fought U.S. and Iraqi forces around Baghdad's Shiite district of Sadr City early Saturday despite a call for calm by anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr following the assassination of one of his top aides.

At least 13 Shiite militants died in the clashes, which erupted Friday night and tapered off early Saturday, the U.S. military said. Iraqi police reported seven civilians were killed as a result of the fighting between U.S and government troops and al-Sadr's Mahdi Army militia.

Al-Sadr blamed the Americans and their Iraqi allies for the assassination Friday of one of his top aides, Riyadh al-Nouri, director of his office in the Shiite holy city of Najaf. Gunmen ambushed al-Nouri as he was returning home from Friday prayers.

A curfew was declared in Najaf to prevent a violent backlash by al-Sadr supporters, but it was lifted Saturday.

In Sadr City, a U.S. statement said American soldiers used Abrams main battle tanks and drone-fired Hellfire missiles in support of troops who came under sniper and rocket attack while trying to erect concrete barriers in the area.

Two armored vehicles were damaged by at least 10 roadside bombs that exploded during the operation, but there were no casualties among the U.S. and Iraqi soldiers, the military said.

The U.S. said a total of 13 extremists were killed in the various encounters.

Iraqi police and hospital officials said the seven civilians died in one of the Hellfire missile strikes.

They spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not allowed to release information. It was impossible to verify the reports independently. Sadr City is the principal stronghold of the Mahdi Army in the Baghdad area.

Government troops supported by the U.S. military have been fighting for nearly two weeks to seal off Sadr City, which has a population of about 2.5 million, after militants there fired rockets and mortars at the U.S.-protected Green Zone and other major targets.

A ban on entering and leaving the district was supposed to have been lifted on Saturday. But eyewitnesses said the blocked-off entrances were briefly opened at 9 a.m., only to be closed again after about 10 minutes.

Police later announced that one of the entrances had been opened to motor traffic. Army patrols used loudspeakers to warn residents to keep off the streets, saying the rebels had planted roadside bombs which needed to be cleared by the security forces.

The conflict in Sadr City is part of a major power struggle within the Shiite community ahead of provincial elections expected this fall.

In the southern port of Basra, Iraq's second largest city, the Iraqi army said it had started carrying out "the second phase of operations" by conducting a sweep of the city's Qibla district, looking for illegal weapons, ammunition and wanted criminals.

Last month, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki ordered the military to confront Shiite militias and gangs in Basra, but the offensive quickly faltered amid fierce resistance.

In Other Developments:

  • The U.S. military says an American soldier has been killed in a roadside bombing in Baghdad. A statement said Saturday's attack that killed the Multi-National Division - Baghdad soldier occurred about 10:30 a.m. in northwestern Baghdad. The soldier's identity hasn't been released pending notification of relatives.

    The announcement raises to at least 19 American troop deaths reported in the past week. Many of those have occurred in predominantly Shiite areas in Baghdad that have seen fierce fighting between Shiite militia and U.S.-Iraqi troops.

    In all, at least 4,032 members of the U.S. military have died since the Iraq war started in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count. That figure includes 3,892 Americans killed since May 1, 2003, the day President George W. Bush announced the end of "major combat" operations in Iraq.

  • Officials say Iraqi soldiers have found 14 bodies buried in a field south of Baghdad. It's the second discovery of mass graves in the area around Mahmoudiya this week, raising to 44 the number of bodies found.

    A city spokesman says 12 bodies found today had been dumped in one grave not far from the local office of radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr's movement. He says two others were buried together nearby.

    The city official and an Iraqi army officer say confessions by recently detained Shiite militiamen led to the grisly discovery. Iraqi troops found the remains of 30 other people believed to have been killed more than a year ago in three abandoned houses elsewhere in the area on Thursday.

  • Oil giants Chevron Corp. and Total have confirmed that they are in discussions with the Iraqi Oil Ministry to increase production in an important oil field in southern Iraq. The discussions are aimed at finalizing a two-year deal, or technical support agreement, to boost production at the West Qurna Stage 1 oil field near Iraq's second-largest city of Basra.

    West Qurna field, located about 40 miles west of Basra, is among Iraq's 10 "super giant" fields with its reserves estimated between 15 to 21 billion barrels, according to Iraqi Oil Ministry and Energy Information Administration.

    The Iraqi Oil Ministry has said it is also negotiating with Royal Dutch Shell PLC, BP PLC, ExxonMobil Corp. to increase crude production in four other fields and under the same agreement.

    Iraq has the world's third-largest oil reserves, totaling more than 115 billion barrels. Iraq's average production for February was 2.4 million barrels per day and exports averaged 1.93 million barrels per day.

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    by mbievtea April 12, 2008 12:45 PM EDT
    Sadr''s militia play the game don''t they. It should be accepted by now that these type of groups -- just like Hamas and others -- simply need to be destroyed. They use time to re-arm, re-build, and plan for more chaos. The lull that Sadr''s militia provided earlier seems nothing more than a ploy as they equipped themselves for a fight; assisted by Iranian arms and military personnel. Sadr should have been taken-out years ago. Now Iraq has their own "gaza" strip!
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    by swwils April 12, 2008 12:46 PM EDT
    I think is about time that Iraq started policing their own.We can oversee and train them,but we need to take a break,and back off a little.This country is tired,war is hell on the home front also.I have family both in Iraq,and Afghanistan which I understand why we are there,and the mission.I am a 12 yr Army,SF soldier,disabled.We have got to regroup and get ready for those idiots that are in control of Iran,and Syria.It is coming and most don''t see it!
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    by brianbwb-2009 April 12, 2008 1:13 PM EDT
    It is clear that Bush intends to prolong the civil war in Iraq, by killing the number 1 contender to become the power in Iraq, because he has so far shown no sign of being Bush''s girlfriend, other than that little favor he did Bush of lynching Saddam after the US military handed Saddam over to him.

    Apparently Bush''s idea of democracy is to kill any leaders that might stand in the way of the big oil concerns, leaving only pro Bush people alive.

    This will be a long genocide campaign.
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    by brianbwb-2009 April 12, 2008 1:22 PM EDT
    "...understand why we are there,and the mission." Posted by Swwils

    Then you understand more than Bush does, because all Bush wants is to control the oil, and rip off the treasury in the bargain. Syria, and Iran are no threat to the US, whatever they do over there is their business, not ours. We can repel any attack they might launch against us, or don''t you trust your fellow soldiers to be up to the job?

    If you want to posit that oil is a vital interest worth dying over, then "re up", and go for it. No matter who controls the oil there, it is the western refineries that determine the price, they are the ones squeezing the US'' throats.

    This is capitalism, no pay, no play. You supported it, you fought for it, you supported the trickle downers and voted fr it, but now new players are coming to the table with better cards than you, now you want to change the rules?

    It doesn''t work that way, we don''t control the rules anymore, son.
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    by tulcak April 12, 2008 1:37 PM EDT
    "we are succeeding in Iraq"... or was it "we are victorious"... wow, its all going great isn''t it? you republicans are so stupid. what a waste... what a shame you''ve brought on us... and all the death and destruction... what has been accomplished? the destabilization of the middle east, the mounumentous spread in terror, the destruction of a country, deaths of millions... and osama ben forgotten and his organization are 100 times stronger than they were before... great job...
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    by tulcak April 12, 2008 1:44 PM EDT
    One cannot have an Army within an Army!

    Destruction of Mehdi Army would be the FIRST positive step in the reconnciliation process!



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    Posted by dumbshun
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    so, your plan is to use violence to obtain peace and reconcilliation?... are you as stupid as you sound?
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    by hotpaulie April 12, 2008 2:05 PM EDT
    McCain was right...Iraq is returning to normalcy.
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    by pollroller1 April 12, 2008 2:29 PM EDT
    Yep, the surge is working. All we need is around another 100 years or so, and this war will be over.
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    by randynason April 12, 2008 3:25 PM EDT
    Militants? Terrorists? Wait a minute ...
    Aren''t WE in THEIR country? Who are the real terrorists?
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    by veteran72 April 12, 2008 3:42 PM EDT
    Why are these people fighting us so hard???,.....
    Oh,....wait a minute,....didn''t WE invade and occupy THEIR country and murder and rape THEIR citizenery and steal THEIR oil???,.......that''s right,....I almost forgot,.......it''s Shrub and Darth that are Terrorists.....
    Good luck, Iraqis,.....keep up the fight for Freedom against Criminal Neocon/GOPerv Fascist Zionist Nazis..
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    by fibonacci_ April 12, 2008 3:47 PM EDT
    Anyone who does not understand why they fight us has a poor understanding of human nature. It was a mistake to go in there.
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    by veteran72 April 12, 2008 4:06 PM EDT
    If you break into someone elses home, rape and murder their family, and attempt to steal their possessions, you shouldn''t come whining and crying for sympathy when the owner starts kicking your asss.
    WE are the bad guys here. WE are the Terrorists.
    This is what happens when you elect a Drunken, Crackheaded, AWOL/Deserter, Coward, and Idiot Son of a Criminal Family of Nazi Associates, to the office of President.
    It just isn''t a very good idea.
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    by singingrick April 12, 2008 4:38 PM EDT


    Bush is doing exactly what the people who want to destroy America want him to do. Iraq is a black hole that will continue to suck in American lives and treasure until we are on our knees as a nation. Bush and his friends will have cashed in by that time and leave the rest of us with the job of rebuilding America if that''s even possible.



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    by yongamerica April 12, 2008 5:10 PM EDT
    The Iraqi and US Armies are hitting Sadr''s forces enough that he is calling Uncle. He want to keep them intact for another 18 months so when he returns to Iraq they''ll be trained, well equipped and ready to over throw Iraq''s elected government.

    No quarter should be given to this Iranian puppet and its proxy army.
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    by yongamerica April 12, 2008 5:11 PM EDT
    In terms of the Iraqi population, the number of militants is a small number and does doesn''t represent the the majority.
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    by j-whitman April 12, 2008 5:24 PM EDT
    yongamerica,,,, You can also say that about America, Our fringe far right who supports no exit strategy in a war with no good results for this country does doesn''''t represent the the majority and your numbers are small.
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    by prinzowhales April 12, 2008 6:03 PM EDT
    TROOPS HOME NOW! THE ENEMY IS IN WASHINGTON! DOWN WITH THE REGIME!

    The Iraqis, overwhelmingly, wish us gone. If we were serious about our support for democracy, we would no longer be in Iraq.
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    by yongamerica April 12, 2008 6:08 PM EDT
    The facts are hard for you Sadr and Iranian supporters to accept. Iraq does not want Sadr involved with their politics; he is Iran''s religious and political puppet. Sadr''s army will fall to an ashen ruins and the remains will run to their fearless leader hiding in Iran. The Iraqi people doesn''t want the likes of him running loose in their country.
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    by prinzowhales April 12, 2008 6:15 PM EDT
    Yes...Iraqis just named a whole section of Baghdad "Sadr City" after his father, because they don''t care for him. ...they just allowed Amadinejad to motor through Baghdad unmolested...something that Americans dare not do.

    Troops Home Now! Stop wasting lives and treasure for the sake of Big Oil, Israel and the Dollar!

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    by yongamerica April 12, 2008 6:52 PM EDT
    Sadr city is a self proclaimed name to a domain he claimed after assassinating his religious rivals.

    This portion of Baghdad has used as an headquarters, a supply depot and safe haven for the proxy Iranian army. This army and its support network must be disassembled swiftly. Sadr is already calling for peace because he''s not ready to fight, yet. The Iraqi army cannot let the fight be on his or the Iranian terms so the action to return Sadr''s lair to the city will continue until his followers run to their fearless leader hiding in Iran.
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    by mcvet April 12, 2008 7:39 PM EDT
    The facts are hard for you Sadr and Iranian supporters to accept. Iraq does not want Sadr involved with their politics; he is Iran''''s religious and political puppet. Sadr''''s army will fall to an ashen ruins and the remains will run to their fearless leader hiding in Iran. The Iraqi people doesn''''t want the likes of him running loose in their country.


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    Posted by yongamerica at 03:08 PM : Apr 12, 2008
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    You know this how?? You Nazi''s always have these points of Knowledge and NO one can find them anywhere else...except from the Reich of course, who has never told us the truth about Iraq. You freaks has NEVER been in such a situation and the evidence is so obvious even a child could see it. When you are entering the 6th YEAR of a 6 MONTH war Sparky the Resistence IS much stronger than you even have a clue about. Now take your Magic Swastika off to a corner and let the adults deal with the situation. Sieg Heil Bush
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    by prinzowhales April 12, 2008 7:47 PM EDT
    The only calls for calm seem to be coming from al Sadr. His militia is responding however to the US led incursions into the area and the continued outrages being perpetrated by the Regime.

    If anything, this will cost al Maliki considerable Shia support and he will have to compensate for this by appeals to the Sunnis....which will lead to even more Shia desertions. The life of a Quisling is not a happy one--or, thankfully, a long one.
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    by prinzowhales April 12, 2008 7:58 PM EDT
    The attack on Basra showed everyone just how unenthusiastic the predominantly Shia army is about attacking fellow Shia. If the attacks on the Shia of Baghdad continue, you could well see the Army desert him. If he is using Sunni formations, you may see them do more than that.
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    by iphyt4u April 12, 2008 11:14 PM EDT
    If an Iraqi fights against a foreign occupier, shouldn''t he be considered a patriot. After all, he''s fighting for the future of the country he was born in. The insurgency was caused by the invading army.
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    by skyk-2009 April 13, 2008 12:19 AM EDT

    its his opinion you whackjob!! thats all you post on here ...you have no facts....his opinions are more believable than yours because his isnt full of "swastika breaths" "bootlickers" or "sieg heil bush"


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    Posted by jamesm12341 at 05:30 PM : Apr 12, 2008
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    Sarge makes REAL HONEST points here... things that can ONLY be discovered in REAL combat. What do you do? YOU attack HIM PERSONALLY. Has it crossed your very small mind that YOU prove what he says about you? YOU are a fascist and of that there is NO doubt.
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    by gce65 April 13, 2008 1:27 AM EDT
    Of course they''re going to keep fighting! Maliki and the Americans haven''t stopped fighting against them, despite all the rhetoric, so why would anyone expect the Mahdi army to just stop?
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    by ontheleft April 13, 2008 1:58 AM EDT
    It''s nice to know the U.S. oil companies are making deals and making money off this.
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    by kissamaarse April 13, 2008 2:48 AM EDT
    $265 Million per day of the American taxpayers money for this squanto, borrowed by Bush each day from the communist Red Chinese and the Saudi Arabians, home of the 9-11 murderers.
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    by brianbwb-2009 April 13, 2008 4:56 AM EDT
    Maliki; "Well the US and I are trying to kill your leader, who may just be the most powerful and popular alternative to us, but you really shouldn''t fight us, just let us take him out, and you all can peacefully become our slaves."
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    by termtex01 April 13, 2008 6:45 AM EDT
    "The facts are hard for you Sadr and Iranian supporters to accept. Iraq does not want Sadr involved with their politics; he is Iran''''''''s religious and political puppet....
    Posted by yongamerica at 03:08 PM : Apr 12, 2008

    You know this how?? You Nazi''''s always have these points of Knowledge and NO one can find them anywhere else...

    Posted by MCVet at 04:39 PM : Apr 12, 2008"

    That''s because you only work with liberal dogma and refuse to look for the information.

    Try a 5 minute search, you''ll find the info. Tell us honestly you even tried.
    The actual article is much longer than this quote:

    http://www.mafhoum.com/press7/194P4.htm
    "According to sources in the Shiite leadership in the city of Kum, Muktada al-Sadr received guarantees (during his July 2003 visit to Iran) for financial and moral support in exchange for his recognition of the Iranian spiritual Shiite leadership as a source of Shiite religious and political authority. Sadr was purportedly also urged to accept the revolutionary Iranian Islamic doctrine and face off against the traditional Iraqi Shiite leadership headed by Ayatollah Sistani."
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    by termtex01 April 13, 2008 6:49 AM EDT
    "$265 Million per day of the American taxpayers money for this squanto, borrowed by Bush each day from the communist Red Chinese and the Saudi Arabians, home of the 9-11 murderers.

    Posted by kissamaarse at 11:48 PM : Apr 12, 2008"

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/14/AR2007121402124_pf.html

    "Clinton Library Got Funds From Abroad
    Saudis Said to Have Given $10 Million

    By John Solomon and Jeffrey H. Birnbaum
    Washington Post Staff Writers
    Saturday, December 15, 2007; A03

    Bill Clinton''s presidential library raised more than 10 percent of the cost of its $165 million facility from foreign sources, with the most generous overseas donation coming from Saudi Arabia, according to interviews yesterday.

    The royal family of Saudi Arabia gave the Clinton facility in Little Rock about $10 million, roughly the same amount it gave toward the presidential library of George H.W. Bush, according to people directly familiar with the contributions.

    The presidential campaign of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) has for months faced questions about the source of the money for her husband''s presidential library. During a September debate, moderator Tim Russert asked the senator whether her husband would release a donor list. Clinton said she was sure her husband would "be happy to consider that," though the former president later declined to provide a list of donors."
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    by newsterl April 13, 2008 7:30 AM EDT
    Good, let em blow each other off the map- not our problem, pull out and let ''er fall flat on her face.
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    by mcvet April 13, 2008 10:42 AM EDT
    That''''s because you only work with liberal dogma and refuse to look for the information.

    Try a 5 minute search, you''''ll find the info. Tell us honestly you even tried.
    The actual article is much longer than this quote:

    http://www.mafhoum.com/press7/
    194P4.htm
    "According to sources in the Shiite leadership in the city of Kum, Muktada al-Sadr received guarantees (during his July 2003 visit to Iran) for financial and moral support in exchange for his recognition of the Iranian spiritual Shiite leadership as a source of Shiite religious and political authority. Sadr was purportedly also urged to accept the revolutionary Iranian Islamic doctrine and face off against the traditional Iraqi Shiite leadership headed by Ayatollah Sistani."


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    Posted by TheGateway1 at 03:45 AM : Apr 13, 2008
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    LOL So YOU say the article YOU posted shows that Sadr is Iran''s Political Puppet! Typical Nazi... outside your OWN superiortity you have NO knowledge!! Let''s put this in some prospective that YOU can understand MORON. Iran has the superior Army and has INVADED Mexico. With me so far? We do not wish to have Iran dominate the nation on our most southern boarder and there is a resistence group there that want Iran OUT... we offer them help. COMMON SENSE? EVEN TO A FULL BLOWN NAZI that has to make sense? Sieg Heil Bush
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    by mcvet April 13, 2008 10:48 AM EDT
    Bill Clinton''''s presidential library raised more than 10 percent of the cost of its $165 million facility from foreign sources, with the most generous overseas donation coming from Saudi Arabia, according to interviews yesterday.




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    Posted by TheGateway1 at 03:49 AM : Apr 13, 2008
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    ROFLMAO ONLY a NAZI would compare OUR fininacial situation as a NATION the the funds raised by a former President for his Library. NO wonder you freaks took us from a Balanced Budget and a Surplus to RECORD DEFICITS and a RECORD DEBT of 9.3 TRILLION Dollars. Just to give you folks an Idea of what that''s all about, the debt in this nation is rapidly approaching $40,000.00 PER PERSON! That''s EVERY MAN, WOMAN, and CHILD in this nation. Oh! But it doesn''t end there...Oh NO! That debt cost you and me $430 BILLION Dollars last year alone just to pay the interest... But there''s MORE!! It''s growing at the rate of ONE MILLION DOLLARS A minute. But let''s compare that to the Presidentual Library of Bill Clinton!! ROFLMAO What a riot! Sieg Heil Bush
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    by macusweil April 13, 2008 12:37 PM EDT
    TO BE A "GOOD" REPUBLICAN, YOU NEED TO BELIEVE:

    1. Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.

    2. Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush''s Daddy made war on him , a good guy when Cheney did business with him, and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can''t find Bin Laden" diversion.

    3. Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is Communist, but trade with China and Viet Nam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.

    4. The United States should get out of the United Nations, and our highest national priority is enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.

    5. A woman can''t be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multinational drug corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.

    6. The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches, while slashing veterans'' benefits and combat pay.

    7. If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won''t have ***.

    8. A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our longtime allies, then demand their cooperation and money.

    9. Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy, but providing health care to all Americans is socialism. HMO''s and insurance companies have the best interests of the public at heart.

    10. Global warming and tobacco''s link to cancer are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.


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    by hotpaulie April 13, 2008 12:39 PM EDT
    TheGateway1 - Are you trying to make some kind of point by saying Bill Clinton received a donation from Saudi Arabia...What about King George??? Wasn''t he the guy holding their hands as they visited the White House? We are in a world economy. Money comes from everywhere.
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    by rob416 April 13, 2008 2:19 PM EDT
    The article "Militants Fight On Despite Calls For Calm" is one of many examples of why there is no victory possible in Iraq. Another is in todays news that 1,600 soldiers and police were dismissed by the Iraqi Government for failing to carry out their duties.

    What a surprise when all one has to do is look way back to the Gulf War and watch Iraqi soldiers give up to members of the media. The abilites of both the Iraqi military and police continue to put into question if the US military withdrew, would the Iraqi''s be able to provide for their own security.

    The answer is obviously they would not. The only ones that appear not to realize that is President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Secretary Robert Gates, and those members of Congress that are still hawks on the War.

    The American people overall seem to understand it. Other Nations around the world do as well. Numbers of current and retired members of the US miltary are of the same opinion. What is it that the Bush Administration knows that all of those people do not?
    Nothing other than their stuborn pride being hurt.
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    by fan-of-ann April 13, 2008 2:23 PM EDT
    Not that anyone has objected, but we have switched sides in Iraq. These new bff''s of ours, The Sons of Iraq who are now on our payroll, were the bad guys for the first 4 years after the invasion. Now, just like SURVIVOR after the merge, these old Sunnis/ Baathists, the last throes of the elite republican guard, have a new name for their tribe. No one seems concerned that they have killed 3500+ Americans. Trinculo the clown beds with the native monster Caliban, cowering together in shared misery.

    I do not believe the neo-cons have come so far without a plan, but they have finally googled a middle eastern map OF THE REGION and they discovered nobody likes the Shia. Well, Iran does, but none of the cool nations like them either.. The USA was the new kid in school who picked the wrong crowd.

    So the answer? Back to the basics I would guess. Pick a mini-me Saddam from the ranks of the old republican guard, without the irritating independent streak. Arm him with...you guessed it: WMD. Add more shock. More awe. An October Surprise.
    McCain with Robert Gates as VP and Petraeus as Sec of Defense.
    But there may be over a million Iraqi dead since the 2003 invasion, and now the US is killing Shia in Sadr city. There are 2.5 million of them. And Iran is mesmerized (who isnt?) by all that black shiny oil, and there are millions of them who will resist another Sunni takeover. But I do believe that is the administration''s plan, or final solution...no offense intended.
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    by downsteamjim April 13, 2008 2:24 PM EDT
    To Macusweil: Are you implying that if we gave more condoms away in schools that Sadr would be less of a problem? Are is it that it is Sunday and you want to preach?
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