April 11, 2008

Murdered Pregnant Women: The Racial Divide

CBSNews.com Reports: Despite High-Profile Cases In The Media, Maternal Homicide Victims Tend To Be Young And Often, Black

    • Murdered moms:(left to right) LaToyia Figueroa, murdered in 2005; Jessie Davis; Jimella Tunstall, a female acquaintance slashed her womb in 2006; Laci Peterson, murdered by her husband Scott Peterson in 2002; Evelyn Hernandez, found in San Francisco Bay at the same time as Laci Peterson in 2002; Jenna Nielsen, murdered in June, case unsolved; Lori Kay Hacking, murdered in 2004, Bobbie Jo Stinnett, stalked and murdered by Lisa Montgomery; Lisa Underwood, murdered by her husband in 2005. Photo

      Murdered moms:(left to right) LaToyia Figueroa, murdered in 2005; Jessie Davis; Jimella Tunstall, a female acquaintance slashed her womb in 2006; Laci Peterson, murdered by her husband Scott Peterson in 2002; Evelyn Hernandez, found in San Francisco Bay at the same time as Laci Peterson in 2002; Jenna Nielsen, murdered in June, case unsolved; Lori Kay Hacking, murdered in 2004, Bobbie Jo Stinnett, stalked and murdered by Lisa Montgomery; Lisa Underwood, murdered by her husband in 2005.  (CBS/AP)

    • LCpl. Maria Frances Lauterbach and Cpl. Cesar Laurean. Photo

      LCpl. Maria Frances Lauterbach and Cpl. Cesar Laurean.  (CBS/AP)

    • Jessie Davis and Bobby Lee Cutts. Photo

      Jessie Davis and Bobby Lee Cutts.  (AP)

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When Laci Peterson became the symbol of maternal homicide in the mass media and in the law books (the Violence Against Unborn Children Act is also known as the Laci and Connor's Law), it put a white face on the horrendous crime of maternal homicide. In reality, that face is actually young, and often, black.

Reality has been further complicated lately with two more high-profile cases of white pregnant women being killed by their boyfriends: Maria Lauterbach, a pregnant Marine whose body was found alongside her fetus' charred remains; and the guilty verdict against Bobby Cutts, a former Ohio police officer convicted of killing his pregnant girlfriend and disposing of her body in the woods. Both stories dominated the airwaves earlier this year.

Lauterbach's accused killer, also a Marine, was captured Thursday in Mexico after a three-month manhunt.

Left behind in much of the media attention is a slew of similar cases involving black women.

  • On June 13, 2007 Dawna Denise Wright was at her job, managing the office of a San Diego neurologist. At 2 p.m., a man came to her office bearing a bouquet of roses. "Are these for me?" she reportedly said, surprised. The man took out a gun and shot her.

    Her killer was her on-and-off boyfriend, Roger McDowell, who was also the father of her 8-year-old daughter. An hour later, he confessed to the police but plead not guilty to murder charges.

    Wright was three months pregnant with McDowell's child.

  • On Sept. 8, 2007 in Louisa, Va., Irwin Fountain, 28, was found guilty of shooting his 18-year-old girlfriend, Shantay Latrice Wheeler, 18, to death and dumping her body. Fountain, who was married at the time of the murder, had given Wheeler money for an abortion and became infuriated when he discovered that she was 8 ½-months pregnant. Her body was found in a field five months later with multiple gunshot wounds.

  • On February 7, 2007, Adrian Estrada, a 23-year-old San Antonio youth pastor received the death penalty for choking and stabbing 17-year-old Stephanie Sanchez to death and leaving her to bleed to death on her kitchen floor. Prosecutors said he was angry because the teenager, who told him she had been in love with him, had become pregnant with his child.

    Cases of maternal homicide involving minority women are underreported and underpublicized.

    According to the CDC, black women have a maternal homicide risk about seven times that of white women. Black women ages 25-29 are about 11 times more likely as white women in that age group to be murdered while pregnant or in the year after childbirth.

    Experts say that a fear and mistrust of the police may lead to black women keeping silent about their suffering.

    Fast Fact

    The CDC estimates that 4-8 percent of pregnant women in the U.S. are abused by an intimate partner.

    These women may be afraid that by calling the police, they may be endangering their partner.

    "An abused wife or girlfriend may be hesitant to call 911 for fear that he'll be treated violently or even killed by the police," says Theryn Kigvamasud'Vashti, co-director of Communities Against Rape and Abuse in Seattle.

    Mandatory arrest laws used in some states require police to make an arrest during any domestic dispute call. And if the batterer presents the situation to make it look like the wife is the initiator of the violence, she could be the one arrested. If she has children, she may fear losing them to social services.

    The Bush administration's welfare reform policies spent $300 million on programs to encourage marriage among low-income couples. These programs have indirectly impacted violence in the black community, says Kigvamasud'Vasht. "That money would have been better spent on education for these women so that they could support themselves without their abusive partner."

    Young Moms: A Means Of Control

    According to the National Domestic Violence Hotline, 324,000 women each year experience intimate partner violence during their pregnancy. Of these women, 30 percent say the first incident occurs during pregnancy. If a woman is in an abusive or controlling relationship, a pregnancy can make a relationship all the more volatile.

    "The woman is more vulnerable to abuse during a pregnancy," says Katherine Von Wormer, professor of social work at the University of Northern Iowa. "She is less likely to be interested in sex. And it may be a time of high stress, economically and otherwise."

    The CDC estimates that 4-8 percent of pregnant women in the U.S. are abused by an intimate partner.

    For men who want to be "in control" of a relationship, an unwanted pregnancy can lead to anger and violence.

    Then there are abusers who use pregnancy as a means to control their girlfriends, to keep them in a vulnerable and dependent condition.

    A recent, disturbing study of 61 poor teenaged Boston-area girls of various ethnic backgrounds in abusive relationships published in the journal Ambulatory Pediatrics revealed that 26 percent had reported that their partners were actively trying to get them pregnant against their will. The girls reported that their partners manipulated their birth control or told them that they wanted them to become pregnant.

    "You think of forced sex as an aspect of abusive relationships, but this takes that abuse a step further to reproductive control of a young woman's body," said study co-author and pediatrician Elizabeth Miller, M.D.

    While a pregnant woman who is older might have the financial resources or support network to seek help, a younger woman may not.

    “A young woman who is poor, underage and may be receiving welfare may be less likely to leave an abusive relationship,” says Eboni Colbert, co-director of Communities Against Rape and Abuse. “She may be a ward of the state, she may have no legal guardian. A young woman like that has fewer resources than a woman in her twenties or thirties.”


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    by runningralph April 11, 2008 12:31 PM PDT
    Women are attracted to abusive men. Don''t know why, but there it is. It''s human nature. Nice guys finish last. There is no reason for the taxpayers to spend money trying to change human nature. Just track down the thugs and use the death penalty to clean up the mess.
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    by gunownerdan April 11, 2008 12:34 PM PDT
    Criminals love defenseless victims.
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    by barbaraf4 April 11, 2008 12:37 PM PDT
    More importanly, we need to educate our daughters to respect themselves. Self esteem is so important and only surpassed by formal education. Let''s give our daughters the way and means to support themselves and their children so they don''t feel like they are trapped in a relationship.
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    by demslie April 11, 2008 12:53 PM PDT
    It''s all Bush''s Fault.
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    by fairmusic April 11, 2008 12:59 PM PDT
    The monster in a man.




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    by kathkeane April 11, 2008 1:10 PM PDT
    No, I think the wife killed her and the marine is covering for the wife. I think she was lured to their home, murdered by the wife, wife told the husband she killed herself, he is covering for her. That is why he wrote the note. Watch what happens next.
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    by hissteps4u April 11, 2008 1:15 PM PDT
    Of course it all the white Mans fault that Black Men are Killing Black women.

    Just like its white mans fault a large portion of prison detainees are black as well.

    I say if you do the crime you shall do the time no matter what color or race you are.

    I am so sick and tired of the Sharptons and jacksons of this world claiming that it is somehow a white problem in society claiming its race related rather than what it is Crime.

    Are good people placed in prison unjustly? Sure. Do criminals get away with Crime--aka OJ Sure they do.

    By in large however our system is a good one even with its flaws.

    This article just shows that abused women tend to stay with a Man even when beaten and hurt and thats just sick that they do not see the Options before them all in the name of company and what they perceive as Love.

    The Mental depravity of those who abuse women should not go unpunished Yet we as a society tend to sweep such things under the rug rather than deal with it in the light of Day.

    Its called be Proactive NOT Reactive.

    Unfortunately even a court order wont stop an abuser from killing or hurting someone.

    First sign of Mistreatment---Hit the road and kick them out the door To scared they will be alone and with No support but nothing could be further from the truth BUT they do not see it and that is the problem.

    In this enlightened time we still are ignorant
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    by pghlady3 April 11, 2008 1:18 PM PDT
    it a respect thing. when democrats came in in the 70''s and said ''we will pay you to sit at home and do nothing and we will pay you'' the democrats got the vote and the blacks of that era and that area got lazy and came to respect nothing. that was passed on the the next generation and then to the next. if you have something given to you constantly you cant respect the effort it took to obtain it. if you dont have respect for something you dont treat it well and you dont care. thats what happened
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    by jifler-2009 April 11, 2008 1:24 PM PDT
    The difference in the cases, as I see it is the fact that in the cases mentioned involving the death of the white women, the killer was at large and a hunt was on. Naturally, in that case you are going to have a lot of media coverage. In the other murders the killer was caught almost immediately. I hate to say this because it sounds like it is demeaning which is not the way it is being intended but the other murders were "just another murder in the ghetto". There was nothing spectacular about them, nothing "newsworthy."
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    by cieloazul88 April 11, 2008 1:25 PM PDT
    Uh... I don''t think anywhere in the article it was stated that any particular race was to blame. &&Even though it is about race, I don''t think they made it racial.

    "Wow, more knocked up black chicks get killed then white chicks? People find it more interesting when pregnant white chicks get killed? How would have thunk it."

    On to the next article...
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    by bluestardad April 11, 2008 1:34 PM PDT
    LOOK AT THE DIVORCE SETTLEMENT DISPARITY IN THESE STATES WHERE THESE WOMEN CAME FROM!

    WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?
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    by cowboy4113 April 11, 2008 1:35 PM PDT
    REGARDLESS OF RACE ANY CRIME LIKE THIS IS HORRIFIC.
    CBS-GOOD SPIN TO START UNNECCESARY DEBATE.

    11 TIMES MORE LIKELY-AREN''T THERE ABOUT 11 TIMES MORE WHITES THAN BLACKS ANYWAY.
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    by alltradesjak April 11, 2008 1:43 PM PDT
    A heiness crime, indeed! Is a heiness crime regardless of the race of the individual. It''s wrong to make this a black and white thing. There is enough division in our nation. Can''t we see that this problem is ALL of ours. We need to work on rooting out what stem''s this type of behavior. We need to educate the ignorant. We can''t afford to continue stoking the flames of division. Wake up America!
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    by krenz4 April 11, 2008 1:45 PM PDT
    jifler, You are dreaming. Your statement is naive and a perfect example of the rationalizing white folks make when it comes to race in this country. The manhunt is on indeed! The reason you dont hear about cases involving black women, is because AMERICA JUST DOES NOT CARE! unless they see a pretty W"HITE face smilling back from the page, they generally dont feel any empathy it wont sell and they just DONT CARE. there are thousands of black children who are missing but because they dont have the blue eyes and the pink cheeks that "america'' can relate to, There is no NIghtly news amber alert or anything beyond local news if that! You say the perps are caught almost immediately when its black women? Why, because its easy to figure out the big black man did it and its easy to round him up? Yeah, I guess you are right, those white women were murdered by white, upstanding taxpaing RESPECTABLE, suburban living husbands and we would never guess it was them huh? Its people like you who just dont see the racism in this country and who want to belive and want everyone to belive it does not exist and if it does, blacks should just get over it.But im not gonna get over it if my precious black child is not considered worthy enough to look for if anything happens to him.
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    by demslie April 11, 2008 1:46 PM PDT

    This "story" has one purpose. Can you figure any reason why this "opinion piece" is so important considering all the other news in the world? This is one of many stories that CBS (Communist Broadcast System) and the DNC have agreed to put on as "news" in order to take the heat from the OBama Campaign. Obama is seen as racist so CBS and the DNC are producing useless stories to get sympathy for poor old Obama and all the hardships that his family have had to endure from mean white Americans. Yes the no good White trailer park trash in Cow Dung, Alabama, owes a debt to the poor Ivy League Educated, Millionaire Jet Setting, Limousine Riding, Maid and Butler Served, Bahama Hopping, Power Hungry, Angry at America, Democrat Family of Obama. Let the reparations begin.
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    by runningralph April 11, 2008 1:48 PM PDT
    Plenty of women get killed by white men as well as black or Hispanic. Black, white or whatever they were all brutal thugs. Back in the days before the sexual revolution, women were more careful who they mated with and these types of incidents weren''t so common. Since the taxpayers told women they would pay them to have babies many women saw no reason not to mate with whoever would pass their hands on them. So now the welfare roles are swollen, prisons are overcrowded, and children are raised with no sense of morality.
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    by xlib April 11, 2008 1:49 PM PDT
    pghlady3-It was the "Great Society" of johnson that really got the welfare roll going. By the 70''s it was in full swing.
    You have the courage to say the truth and not dance around it. Also, it is about time this site ran an article that could get the race baiting in full swing.
    So, how long before some dem posts it''s all the Republcians fault.
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    by bluestardad April 11, 2008 1:51 PM PDT
    FEMALE RETIREMENT PROGRAM!

    POOP OUT KIDS AND DRAW CHILD SUPPORT ALL YOUR LIFE!

    DONT REGISTER FOR THE DRAFT WHEN YOUR 18 LIKE MEN DO!

    SCREAM EQUAL RIGHTS AND PAY.
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    by usmcvn2 April 11, 2008 1:52 PM PDT
    It''s the GOP''s fault
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    by gunownerdan April 11, 2008 1:53 PM PDT
    Self defense is a basic human right.
    a-human-right.com
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    by megamanx1-2009 April 11, 2008 2:02 PM PDT
    jifler, You are dreaming. Your statement is naive and a perfect example of the rationalizing white folks make when it comes to race in this country. The manhunt is on indeed! The reason you dont hear about cases involving black women, is because AMERICA JUST DOES NOT CARE! unless they see a pretty W"HITE face smilling back from the page, they generally dont feel any empathy it wont sell and they just DONT CARE. there are thousands of black children who are missing but because they dont have the blue eyes and the pink cheeks that "america'''' can relate to, There is no NIghtly news amber alert or anything beyond local news if that! You say the perps are caught almost immediately when its black women? Why, because its easy to figure out the big black man did it and its easy to round him up? Yeah, I guess you are right, those white women were murdered by white, upstanding taxpaing RESPECTABLE, suburban living husbands and we would never guess it was them huh? Its people like you who just dont see the racism in this country and who want to belive and want everyone to belive it does not exist and if it does, blacks should just get over it.But im not gonna get over it if my precious black child is not considered worthy enough to look for if anything happens to him.


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    Posted by krenz4 at 01:45 PM : Apr 11, 2008

    INDEED!!
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    by rozzzzzzy April 11, 2008 2:11 PM PDT
    I would be interested in the statistics of the race of the murderers/abusers for all of the women referred to in the article.
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    by detta269 April 11, 2008 2:16 PM PDT
    This article is needed to bring to light the diparity in how crimes against African American women and white women are seen and reported. If a black woman is missing she barely registers as a blip on her LOCAL news station and newspaper. IF it is a white woman she all over the national news.
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    by nolalou April 11, 2008 2:16 PM PDT
    Black Men kill more women...are we suppose to be surprised?? If Obama gets in they''''ll think they can kill YOUR White Women and get away with it.
    Posted by truth-hurts

    You use the nickname truth-hurts, but the racist nonsense your spewing is anything but the truth! What hurts is that hateful IDIOTS like you are walking around!
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    by rowdytexan2 April 11, 2008 2:22 PM PDT
    If you can''t support them, don''t get pregnant. It''s that simple. There''s nothing wrong with laying the bustward out cold on the floor if he tries to force it. And nine will get you ten, he''ll dodge out when it comes time to provide for the child either before the separation or after it with child support.

    Get real women! It doesn''t have anything to do with race! It has to do with irresponsibility of both parents!

    68% of children on welfare come from single parent homes.
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    by why_ma_raner April 11, 2008 2:29 PM PDT
    Oh, Puh-LEEZ!! As if CBS didn''t realize that they were just like all the other media. The ONLY murder cases that get this kind of publicity are young, white girls, mostly blonde, or white children. CBS is reporting this as if they just figured this out???
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    by natjohnson02 April 11, 2008 2:37 PM PDT
    I read this story with reservations. It suggest based exclusively on conjecture, no evidence that it has to be worse among blacks. This is often the case, and too often with little or no evidence. As a researcher by trade (Ph.D Professor) while researching demographics, my project took me to abortion. In the process, we are told that it is worse among blacks, and among my colleages this notion is accepted without question. When I checked the NIH data, I found the opposite was true. White unmarried women abort at twice the rate of black unmarried women, no wonder blacks have a high out of wedlock child birth rate. Your aticle is so common, and none of your supposed evidence is questioned.
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    by livn4him2day April 11, 2008 2:41 PM PDT
    The article states that far more African American pregnant women are murdered than white pregnant women. Why then are 7 out of 9 photos of the women murdered white while only 2 are black?
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    by bighorns2006 April 11, 2008 2:43 PM PDT
    Race has nothing to do with this. Lets get off that topic when it is not pertinent. Women are being abused at an alarming leval in our country. White, black, Mexican, lesbian, etc., all are being abused, murdered, and ignored. From those poor little girls in that insane LDS church to the Marine murdered by her Marine boyfriend. Race has nothing to with this, it is a culture of gender bias and abuse.
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    by tracy1morgan April 11, 2008 2:44 PM PDT
    This is all the Liberals fault. Liberals think it is OK to kill an un-born baby, so why not the mother too.
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    by natjohnson02 April 11, 2008 2:53 PM PDT
    People, please check the facts. If seven out of ten women who are murdered in such cases are black women, and if in fact they die from other diseases and other tragedies that whites, there should be no blacks left. Why you ask? because for every black person in the country, there are six and one half whites, and if blacks are dying or murdered at the rate you are given..with no evidence or facts, just conjecture then no black women would exists. Black are supposed infected with AIDs at three times the rate of whites, murdered at three times that rate, make you own case. They would have been extinct long ago. Much of what you hear, and this if from a researcher is purely conjecture...not evidence.
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    by dogsoul April 11, 2008 2:54 PM PDT
    ...hysTERICAL! If anyone were to state the obvious - ya know, that blacks on a per capita basis have a much much much higher rate of violent crime - they''d go thru the ROOF!!! Ahhhh racism, racism!!!!

    Buuuuut, when you present it in their favorite little ''I''m a Victim'' sippy cup by stating that DESPITE the much higher occurrence of violent crime - WHITE victims get the media attention.... then they''re all nodding their heads saying, ''....true dat.... true dat....'' -

    In the end, the lesson is - as usual - blacks aren''t responsible for their own behavior... it''s whitey''s fault....
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    by krenz4 April 11, 2008 2:55 PM PDT
    And you people have the NERVE to get mad when Reverend Wright calls americas a racist country!! LOL!!! Just look at you!!
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    by smiley676 April 11, 2008 3:00 PM PDT
    It''s America not americas
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    by megamanx1-2009 April 11, 2008 3:03 PM PDT
    And you people have the NERVE to get mad when Reverend Wright calls americas a racist country!! LOL!!! Just look at you!!


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    Posted by krenz4 at 02:55 PM : Apr 11, 2008

    IT''LL BE THE SAME ONES SCREAMING RACISM AT REV WRIGHT THAT ARE ON HERE RIGHT NOW BEING RACIST. PRETTY FUNNY ACTUALLY.

    It''s funny how whites are starting to think "our country is being taken over" because a black man is a presidential front runner. Whites are even starting to say ridiculous things like "RACIST".

    Listen if you think comments made by Rev. Wright are racist. Try having 400 years of racism, countless Blacks murdered just for being black, and if you really want to get deep, lets talk about the over 5 million Jews that were killed by Hitler-yes he is White, German, but White. Whites are responsible for some of the most brutal racial genocides on the planet and the minute that someone says something about them, they yell racism. Trust me you haven''t seen real racism.

    Try again when there are whites in concentration camps or getting hosed down for standing on a corner. Thats Racism!!!


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    by fairmusic April 11, 2008 3:03 PM PDT
    Not a happy story or thought.




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    by fairmusic April 11, 2008 3:05 PM PDT
    Pride, arrogance, selfishness, dominance, combined with no self control is such a wicked combination.



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    by smiley676 April 11, 2008 3:06 PM PDT
    "According to the CDC, black women have a maternal homicide risk about seven times that of white women. Black women ages 25-29 are about 11 times more likely as white women in that age group to be murdered while pregnant or in the year after childbirth."

    hmm, why is this?
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    by smiley676 April 11, 2008 3:07 PM PDT
    Try again when there are whites in concentration camps or getting hosed down for standing on a corner. Thats Racism!!!





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    Posted by MegamanX1

    Whites have been in concentration camps. Get over yourself.
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    by appilonia April 11, 2008 3:11 PM PDT
    "...with two more high-profile cases of white pregnant women being killed by their boyfriends: Maria Lauterbach, a pregnant Marine whose body was found alongside her fetus'' charred remains;..."

    It was my understanding that Lauterbach had been raped by a fellow Marine in her unit and had reported it to authorities, not by a boyfriend. Did I miss something?
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    by jdswitz April 11, 2008 3:13 PM PDT
    The best term for this article would be "FlameBait".

    The amazing ignorance and obvious racist comments here simply verify the level of white racism and bigotry still present in our society.

    The posts here remind me of a Jerry Springer show, where they trot out the ugliest, fattest, most toothless and ignorant whites they can find to support the cause of White Supremacy.

    If your cause is to justify the Republican agenda, I suggest you find a method to vet your fellow posters. They are not helping your cause.



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    by demslie April 11, 2008 3:16 PM PDT
    And of course, Ohio Democrat Rep. Michael Turner, is now blaming the Marine Corp for the Murder. As usual Democrats will find any reason to turn this into political advantage and state the hate they have for anything American. Just like when a terrorist sends his children out to bomb a school and kill many woman and children, the Democrats blame it on anyone but the Terrorist.
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    by ranger1948 April 11, 2008 3:21 PM PDT
    krenz4
    It is people like you that keep the racial thing going. Slavery died 200 years ago, let it rest. I want to see this country come together as one nation for everyone. I worked law enforcement and i never cared what race was involved. A crime is a crime no matter what the race and i feel for all victims. Lets start working together to end the differences and make this nation great again. As long as we are fighting each other the govt knows we are not watching what they are doing. We have to work together.
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    by krenz4 April 11, 2008 3:24 PM PDT
    And there is always someone who wants blacks just to "get over it" (code for NGGR, there is no racism in this country,take your welfare check and sit your blak azz down somewhere, its all in your ngger head).
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    by thatstmi April 11, 2008 3:25 PM PDT
    Calm down everyone! Racism and genocide has been practiced by pretty much every race, religion, and ethnic background! Yes, Hitler killed jews (and others). A good example of whites killing whites. Atrociously violent genocides are currently happening in the Congo, Darfur, Rwanda, and more ( a good example of black people killing black people). Every culture has been guilty of it, so why don''t you all stop posting inflamatory accusations that just further fuel the existence of the unreasonable hatred we call racism! When we are racist against another because they have been racist against us, its still racism. Not all blacks hate whites and not all whites hate blacks. Stop generalizing - its racist! (:
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    by tracy1morgan April 11, 2008 3:25 PM PDT
    Almost all blacks that are murdered are victims of black on black violence. Maybe the Rev Wright types should be preaching personal responsibility sermons instead.
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    by krenz4 April 11, 2008 3:28 PM PDT
    How dare you tell me I keep it going, read my last post you fool. You Gotta be white to say some ignorant *** like that. YOU think people express their racism against minorities only in these posts? You think they dont live their lives in the same hateful manner. IM NOT TURNING THE OTHER CHEEK ANYMORE You seem to want to belive that the only time hateful, racist thing are expressed against blacks or any minority is online, well, where I come from I live it everyday. go sing KUMBAYA somewhere else!! I keep it going cause it never left!
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    by mbcsmith April 11, 2008 3:29 PM PDT
    If your cause is to justify the Republican agenda, I suggest you find a method to vet your fellow posters. They are not helping your cause.






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    Posted by John-Switz at 03:13 PM : Apr 11, 2008

    What makes you think they are Republicans. Robert Byrd (LIB-WV) is the only card carrying member of the KKK in congress. He''s a Democrat.
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    by jdswitz April 11, 2008 3:30 PM PDT
    Demslie wrote:
    And of course, Ohio Democrat Rep. Michael Turner, is now blaming the Marine Corp for the Murder. As usual Democrats will find any reason to turn this into political advantage and state the hate they have for anything American. Just like when a terrorist sends his children out to bomb a school and kill many woman and children, the Democrats blame it on anyone but the Terrorist.

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    Are you suggesting the Marine Corp. has no responsibility for the safety of their members?

    As a "Dem", I would remind you that:

    Hating Politicians that "Legalize" torture.
    and
    Hating Politicians that create "Laws" that violate the Constitution.

    Is NOT hating all things American. These are NOT American values.
    You confuse "America" and corrupt politicians. Unfortunately, for the last 7 years, it has been too easy to assume they ARE one and the same.
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    by krenz4 April 11, 2008 3:30 PM PDT
    you say that slavery died 200 years ago, goody, but the attitude that went along with it NEVER DID!
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