July 20, 2008

The Kanzius Machine: A Cancer Cure?

Inventor Tells 60 Minutes He Hopes To Live Long Enough To See Machine Cure Humans

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    John Kanzius, a cancer patient, invented a machine that uses radio waves to kill cancer cells. Harry Smith speaks with Kanzius and Dr. Steven Curley, who is testing the device.

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(CBS)  And on an August day in 2005, Curley and Kanzius put them to the test. Would the metallic nanoparticles heat up enough to kill cancer?

"So we take the nanoparticles, we put 'em in the radio field. And in about 15 seconds, they’re boiling and heating and Steve Curley couldn't contain himself. He called Rick Smalley and he said, 'Rick, you’re not going to believe this. He just blew the smithereens out of your nanoparticles,'" Kanzius recalled.

Smalley's response? "The only thing that I got out of him after this pause was, “Holy s…,'" Curley recalled.

Not long after that day, Smalley died of lymphoma. Once a skeptic, he had become one of Kanzius' biggest supporters.

"He didn’t expect it, but he embraced it to his death bed when he told Dr. Curley this will change medicine forever. Don't stop, no matter what you do," Kanzius told Stahl.

And they haven't stopped. They’ve already shown that the Kanzius machine can heat nanoparticles and cook cancer to death in animals. Dr. Curley with rabbits, and in Pittsburgh, Dr. David Geller demonstrated to 60 Minutes how he used nanoparticles, made from gold, to kill liver cancer cells grown in rats.

"Now what we’re going to do is inject the nanoparticles," Dr. Geller explained. "Directly into the tumor."

In the study the rats, anesthetized to keep them still, were exposed to the Kanzius radio waves. Dr. Geller later examined their tumors under a microscope.

"What you can see is that cells are starting to fall apart. You see white spaces in between them. The body of the cell is shrinking, the cells are starting to die," Geller pointed out.

"And can you tell from this whether the area surrounding the tumor had any destruction?" Stahl asked.

"Grossly inspecting the animal, we did not see not see any damage to the surrounding tissue," Geller said.

So far, the Kanzius method has only been applied to solid, localized tumors in animals. The ultimate goal is to treat cancer that has metastasized or spread to other parts of the body. Those undetectable rogue cells are what most often kill people with cancer and the trick is finding them.

"If we can't target the microscopic cells this is not going to be a cure," Curley said.

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by duffyn April 10, 2008 3:49 PM PDT
This is great! We def need a cure for cancer. I really belive we are going to get one in the next few years.
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by homespunlady April 10, 2008 3:52 PM PDT
This guy has given me hope that American Ingenuity has NOT died.
Thank You John Kanzius.
My best hopes are that you too benefit from a cure.
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by jetlizhan April 10, 2008 4:46 PM PDT
what a remarkable man - this would be wonderful beyond words.
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by gunownerdan April 10, 2008 5:27 PM PDT
If the drug industry can''t make a big profit from this and it cuts into their existing profits from selling chemicals, we might not hear anymore about it.
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by tonic1661 April 10, 2008 5:49 PM PDT

dogsoul your language certainly adds nothing to a conversation except a display of ignorance.
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by lorinkundert April 10, 2008 5:51 PM PDT
Invention Please, there is so much prior art involving RF and medical treatments that any one of a dozen medical device companies could mess him up good. including some of those I have worked for.
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by alexma50085 April 10, 2008 6:34 PM PDT
Posted by gunownerdan at 05:27 PM : Apr 10, 2008

You are so right, how many other better cures are out there that the drug companies squash because it would interfere with their business. How easy it is for major corporations to kill a brilliant idea, just so they can keep their profits.
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by republic1776 April 10, 2008 9:06 PM PDT
Also with the same machine he invented, he can heat separate H2 and light seawater on fire. This was NOT mentioned by cbs. Imagine using this technology to generate power.
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by matter77 April 10, 2008 9:25 PM PDT
www.theoandavirus.com is a lie, a cesspool.
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by newsterl April 10, 2008 9:57 PM PDT
This is not new, I remember reading about a similar device that was invented years ago using the same idea of radio waves but I cant remember the details on it
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by galaxiana April 10, 2008 10:45 PM PDT
As promising as this device is, the fact is that as long as the big drug companies in America make billions of dollars TREATING diseases, we will never see CURES for anything!

After all, if you cure someone, they don''t need to buy your drugs anymore.

You''ll need to go to Canada or Europe for this non-drug remedy, just like you have to now for biofeedback and other so-called "alternative" (i.e. alternative to drugs) cancer treatments that actually WORK. As long as the big drug companies have a powerful lobby in America, devices like this will be discredited and/or outlawed.
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by ozus April 11, 2008 12:01 AM PDT
What makes you think that all of the big, nasty drug companies are American. Many of them are Swiss, German and British.
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by April 11, 2008 12:32 AM PDT
Conventional medicine is in the "control the symptoms" business; it is their most profitable mode. I know so many people who have beat cancer with natural means thru diet and natural supplements but it receives no press because of the advertising dollars spent by Big Pharma with the main stream media.
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by mdatpi April 11, 2008 1:50 AM PDT
There''s nothing new about radiologic cancer therapy. What''s different about this is that it may get around the problem of specificity. Other uses of the electromagnetic spectrum hit relatively broad areas and can kill good cells while still not reaching all the cancer cells. It''s the use of targeted nanotechnology that will make this work, if it works. I get tired of hearing the nonsense that drug companies don''t want to cure cancer or AIDS or whatever. It makes no sense. The company that creates a real cure will reap huge profits and beat its competition to a pulp. And cancer won''t stop happening so the market will continue. That company will own the market for many years. Moreover, there are dozens of other terrible diseases that need attention and which will product profits. Nobody wants cures more than big pharma because true cures will mean record profits. Also, don''t forget that "big pharma" is just a bunch of companies, made up of hundreds of thousands of people just like your neighbors, your family and friends. They get all these disease too. They do care just as much as anyone else. Get off their backs and show a little gratitude.
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by uc2it April 11, 2008 3:03 AM PDT
I normally don''t respond to ludicrous statements by snake oil purveyors, that have delusions of grandeur but I''ll just cut this genius some slack and let him believe what he or they want. I have a PhD in Quantum Physics and lecture (adjunct professor) at the local top tier university and my wife survived 4th stage lymphoma, right after we were married 30 years ago. It was luck, MD Anderson, and her age (strength). Steve McQueen thought he could beat mesothelioma, by going to Mexico and using non-traditional treatments that used coffee enemas and laetrile, and in the end he died. At 50, he had two heart attacks following surgery to remove a metastatic tumor in his stomach. My wife has had other problems, such as pulmonary embolism''s caused by deep vein thrombosis (clots), which could be related to massive dosages of radiation. Who knows, the long term effect. She also just recently had a 10cm tumor removed, which was made more difficult by having to take coumadin daily and her ovaries tucked for the radiation she had. It destroyed her thyroid and she needed her spleen removed. I know I''m in the upper 5% in terms of intelligence and her doctors are probably too, do you think something as simple as this cancer cure would be ignored, when we''re all equally affected by this scourge?
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by brianbwb-2009 April 11, 2008 3:31 AM PDT
"I know I''''m in the upper 5% in terms of intelligence and her doctors are probably too,..." Posted by uc2it

Somehow, this statement leads me to doubt your claim. If you were in the top 5%, you would be able to understand that intelligence is only a measure of the information you have access to, whether in your brain, or in your computer.

Information is intelligence, knowing how to use intelligence is wisdom. Do you possess more information than 95% of the world''s population?

Seeing as how quantum physics is nothing more than the study of mathematical abstractions to explain the nature of matter and energy in the universe, and is no more "intelligent" than an aboriginal forest dwellers knowledge of how best to survive in their own environment, it is highly doubtful.
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by iknowbest-2009 April 11, 2008 7:01 AM PDT
"I know I''m in the upper 5% in terms of intelligence"

Posted by uc2it at 03:03 AM : Apr 11, 2008

Priceless! Thanks for keeping the academic stereotype alive! And, of course, the best laugh we''ll get today, so thank you for that.
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by puzzler125 April 11, 2008 8:14 AM PDT
How people in the upper 5% can still put an apostrophe at the end of non-possessive words just goes to show you we are not all perfect!
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by extremophil April 11, 2008 8:55 AM PDT
I wonder if John Kanzius is related to Donald Duck, cause I think he''s a Quack Quack Quack.
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by jairod April 11, 2008 10:02 AM PDT
uc2it: obviously, your 5% won''t make mensa, let alone prometheus. none the less, i''ll cut you some slack as you are, quite plainly, in pain over your wife''s illnesses. i''m sure she gave you permission to reveal to the world all her complaints. if not, that is if she didn''t give you permission to reveal to the world all her complaints, then you should give back some of that 5% and settle for the 50% your story reveals that you are.
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by drinuk April 11, 2008 11:14 AM PDT
uc2it. In Short YES. the problem we have right now is that we are in a serious recession and any event which may rock the Wall Street boat will be kicked firmly into touch, as are the fifth columnists doing right now on this very page. Big Pharma have built a worldwide successful business out of Cancer, as have the medical professionals, can you imagine this machine working ? Pharma executives leaping from windows as their largest earner went down the tubes. They have, with their fellow crooks at the FDA killed off must natural cures, thrown guys in prison and all because they cannot obtain a patent on a plant or tree. They work on the basis of comfort and dependency, the word Cure is foreign to them, there ''aint no bucks in a cure.

I pray this guy is correct but if he is, expect him either to have a sudden course of Death or that the machine will be purchased by a front company for Big Pharma and then thrown in the river.

I think you are a Big Pharma plant and a Snob and I fully expect that you fully support the Global Warming and the Bird Flu p r i c k s not to mention MMR.

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by drinuk April 11, 2008 11:19 AM PDT
Extremorphil is obviously yet another Big Pharma lobbyist. They are like incestuous insects, they get everywhere. Time to re-introduce DDT.
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by mrmazerati April 11, 2008 11:36 AM PDT
This seems to be an issue of nanotechnological advancement. If they can perfect particle migration to target cells, it would seem a simple matter to then irradiate them. I would have some doubts, however, that some heat transfer could not occur to healthy cells. The hot dog was cool at one end and hot on the other, but there''s a lot of dog in between. If I have cancer, I certainly want cured. But being cooked from the inside isn''t a solution. The whole thing revolves around specificity.
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by rifeforum April 11, 2008 12:36 PM PDT
This reminds me of the Australian Dr. John Holt MB, ChB, FRCS, FRCR, DMRT, DobstRCOG who used 454MHz radio waves to treat over 35000 cancer patients with some success as was reported on Australian TV. I suggest John Kanzius as others should look into Holt''s work. Google: "Holt Radio-Wave Cancer Therapy" for info. Holt has now retired, but his methods are now undergoing clinical trials in Perth and Dublin.
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by info4u-2009 April 11, 2008 1:00 PM PDT
Royal Rife cured many types of cancer in the 1940''s and 1950''s using radio waves to hit the resonant frequencies of the cells, causing them to shatter like wine glasses - leaving surrounding healthy cells unharmed. This guy is close, but he''s not using resonance. Now I''ve let you know so you can google it and research it and hopefully duplicate it. Good luck - and be sure to watch his films on youtube before you dismiss this.
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by uc2it April 11, 2008 2:33 PM PDT
I''m sorry, if I was perceived as an elitist in my statement about my Intel. I will retract that statement, as to not offend anyone. My wife is quite plainly, the love of my life. I can''t imagine living 1 minute without her. I spent many hundreds of hours researching everything related to her illness''s and many forms of cancer. I spent quite a bit of time researching this particular treatment and found it unfounded. I have no stake in any pharmaceutical company, and would be ecstatic if any cure was found for any metastatic cancer. There are so many different cancers, with many having different modus operandi''s. I obviously have no desire to ruffle anyone''s feathers, so I will not post again. I wish you all, good health and good healthcare if needed. Good luck.
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by newsjunky5 April 11, 2008 2:39 PM PDT
Weiner you''re a cancer patient, or a hot dog researcher, frankfurterly speaking, this must-**** all over the bad cells, and let the healthy ones ketchup. I relish this type of attitude, he''s not sitting on his bun, and while being grilled about his invention, he hasn''t become a saurkraut.
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by ninelander April 12, 2008 11:56 AM PDT
What is unique about the process envisioned by John Kanzius is the frequency of the radio waves employed. Past attempts used Very High Frequencies (VHF) and above, which caused ionization of cells, not unlike a microwave oven. Mr. Kanzius successfully heated cells in the High Frequency range (HF), in and around 13 MHz, using the emitters he fashioned from the pie pans.

According to a story published elsewhere, he was later able to secure a sample of carbon nanotubes, following his earlier hot dog experiments. To the amazement of many, he was able to boil water with the carbon nanotubes mixed in. This behavior was totally unexpected by researchers, as the nanotubes are far too small to be resonant at those frequencies. An explanation of how these particles heat at these low frequencies has not been made public to my knowledge.

As carbon nanotubes have not been approved for human research, gold nanotubes will probably be used, if and when tests are conducted on humans. Early reports indicate that healthy test tissue within 1 millimeter of the treated tissue suffered no damage by the process.
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by fibonacci_ April 12, 2008 1:30 PM PDT
Whoa! That guy is weird!
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by AlecWest April 12, 2008 1:45 PM PDT
Pardon me for being a wet blanket. But, let''s say you were injected with nanoparticles that seek out and tag cancer cells. And let''s say you bombard an affected body with HF radio waves. This destroys the cancer cells. But, you''ve still got a body full of nanoparticles. If they don''t self destruct, does this mean persons so injected must avoid driving too close to HF radio transmitters in the future so as not to be cooked from the inside by free-floating nanoparticles?
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by sot1987 April 12, 2008 6:55 PM PDT
You shouldn''t feel bad at all. Wet blankets are very necessary. However, the nanotubes don''t just remain inside the body. They are water soluble. Shortly after the procedure is over, the body just breaks them down; they never have to be collected or removed.
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by enufallready April 12, 2008 10:21 PM PDT
IF it works the AMA will buy it out or destroy it...........go read on ROYAL RAYMOND RIFE....then see if i am talking crazy....
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by AlecWest April 13, 2008 1:22 AM PDT
To Sot1987 - Thanks. Of course, inside all questions, other questions are implied. There aren''t any long term studies yet done on absorption of nanoparticles in a human body. So, it''s hard to say what the nature of their assimilation would be. If cancer recurs and further treatments are given, would a body accustomed to the process absorb them faster ... negating any benefit of future treatment? When human testing begins, I hope it is relegated to only those where the terminal nature of the cancer is imminent.
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by AlecWest April 13, 2008 1:25 AM PDT
PS to my last - I''m not saying the study shouldn''t continue. Only saying that there''s wisdom in the old saying that suggests that, sometimes, a cure can be worse than the disease. Optimism is good ... but it should be cautious optimism.
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by reel-crazy April 13, 2008 7:00 AM PDT

It is highly doubtful any possible cure for cancer will ever find it''s way toward benefiting humanity as long as the drug companies are in control of politicians. For them, there is no profit in it.... and our government won''t allow it either because they would have to pay most of us social security longer.

Pathetic, but true...

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by omnibus66 April 13, 2008 7:56 AM PDT
If this process shows any real promise as a cancer cure, the drug companies will buy all rights to it, and it will disappear off of the face of the earth forever.

All reasearchers working for the drug companies are under strict orders to NOT develop any cures for anything. What they work on and develop full-time is TREATMENTS.

A cure is a short-term investment by a patient, whereas a treatment is a LIFE TIME COMMITTMENT, a never-ending stream of money to drug companies and the health care system.
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by April 13, 2008 8:25 AM PDT
Royal Raymond Rife is the real inventor of this technology. He was squashed by Big Pharma, no cures are allowed in modern medicine, only symptoms control.
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by poowah April 13, 2008 7:54 PM PDT
Dr. Royal Rife...CHECK THE INTER NET ...He invented the radio wave machine in 1933...Does it work yes it does..
I built one and have used it for the last 5 years...
I had prastate cancer..it is gone......some one in your employ is not doing thier home work......GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DO
guillfordn@bellsouth.net
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by phillipm24 April 13, 2008 8:00 PM PDT
TO RESEARCHERS- If you determine the frequency of a healthy cell, as well as that of a cancer cell in the same host, can you arrive at the vibration/frequency that would destroy a cancer cell without nano particles being introduced for location-sensitive tumors? A routine scanning device can be created to identify the frequency of a cancerous cell/cells by simply passing it over areas of the body.
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by poowah April 13, 2008 8:01 PM PDT
I am wondering if you will give Dr. Royal Rife (mentioned above by guilfordn) the credit for inventing the radio wave machine that works to cure cancer......I will be looking forward to your correcting the error you made on your program.....
Poowah@bellsouth.net
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by woodspark April 13, 2008 8:15 PM PDT
what about his invention to burn water and solve the enegery crunch???????
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by woodspark April 13, 2008 8:16 PM PDT
what about his invention to BURN WATER and solve the enegery crunch???????
google it he did it and not one word!!!
big oil get to him?
big gov.??
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by woodspark April 13, 2008 8:17 PM PDT
what about his invention to BURN WATER and solve the enegery crunch???????
his machine can also do this
modify a few oil burning water boiling plants and bingo!!!
google it he did it AND NOT ONE WORD ABOUT THIS!!!
big oil get to him?
big gov.??
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by crazybob9 April 13, 2008 8:20 PM PDT
I wonder if Kanzius'' protocol works on cancer, would it also work on viruses and bacteria? All three could have gold nanoparticles bound to them with antibodies.
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by briddle10 April 13, 2008 8:23 PM PDT
I was hoping you might mention how Mr. Kazius machine could also produce clean energy for automotive and green purposes today. I''ve seen his you tube video. All the purposes of his brainchild could change life for all human beings. Loved the program. I hope he gets his wish.
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by woodspark April 13, 2008 8:24 PM PDT
what about his invention to BURN WATER and solve the enegery crunch???????
his machine can also do this
modify a few oil burning, water boiling plants and bingo!!!
google it he did it AND NOT ONE WORD ABOUT THIS!!!
big oil get to him?
big gov.??
I am very disappointed by 60 min. that they didnt even mention this.
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by crestdad April 13, 2008 8:24 PM PDT
How about the AIDS Virus? I believe the antibodies
that attach to the Aids Virus could carry the nano
metal particles and burn the virus.
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by cherylsweet April 13, 2008 8:24 PM PDT
does anyone know if there is a wensite to support this research ? Any hope is good hope !!
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by woodspark April 13, 2008 8:25 PM PDT
what about his invention to BURN WATER and solve the enegery crunch???????
his machine can also do this
modify a few oil burning, water boiling plants and bingo!!!
google it he did it AND NOT ONE WORD ABOUT THIS!!!
big oil get to him?
big gov.??
I am very disappointed by 60 min. that they didnt even mention this.
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by April 13, 2008 8:25 PM PDT
The radio machine sounds very interesting. But I was wondering, since it is the metal that is injected into the cancer that is heated up by the radio waves, what about the metal that is in the body already such as iron which is in the blood. Wont the radio waves heat up the iron in the blood and any other part of the body that has trace metals.
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