Clinton Would Extend Same-Sex Benefits

Democrat Says She'd Also Eliminate Husband's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" Policy

(AP)  Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said she would defend gay rights as president and eliminate disparities for same-sex couples in federal law, including immigration and tax policy.

Clinton said states such as New Jersey and Massachusetts are extending rights to gay couples "and the federal government should recognize that and should extend the same access to federal benefits across the board. I will very much work to achieve that."

Clinton's comments came in an interview with the Philadelphia Gay News that was posted on its Web site Thursday.

Clinton said she and her husband have many gay friends that they socialize with when they get the chance. "I've got friends, literally, around the country that I'm close to. It's part of my life," she said.

She said that when they ask her why they can't get married, she tells them marriage is a state law. She said that fact helped defeat a constitutional amendment to prohibit same-sex weddings that she said would "enshrine discrimination in the Constitution."

"States are really beginning seriously to deal with the whole range of options, including marriage, both under their own state constitutions and under the legislative approach," she said. "I anticipate that there will be a very concerted amount of effort in the next couple of years that will move this important issue forward and different states will take different approaches as they did with marriage over many years and you will see an evolution over time."

Clinton said she opposes a measure that would ban gay marriage in Pennsylvania.

"I would be very distressed if Pennsylvania were to adopt that kind of mean-spirited referendum and I hope it won't happen," she said.

Clinton's Democratic rival Barack Obama and Republican John McCain declined the newspaper's invitation for an interview. The paper criticized Obama and highlighted his refusal to talk by leaving a blank space on the front page where his interview would have appeared.

Clinton also said she would:

Eliminate her husband's policy of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" that prevents gays from serving openly in the military. Asked if she could do so by a signing order connected to a military appropriations bill, Clinton said she didn't think that is possible but she would look into it and do it if it were legal.

Be "very strongly outspoken" against foreign governments that execute gays and use financial assistance and other leverage to prevent the killings.

Support federal domestic partner legislation to extend rights to all same-sex couples.

Support services for gay youth, including guidance for schools about the discrimination they face.

Continue to support gay pride celebrations, to the extent that security would allow. "I don't think the Secret Service let Bill walk in a parade when he became president," she said.


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by mudrose-2009 April 4, 2008 10:30 AM PDT

Desperate people do desperate things. How outrageous is this? Quick let''s bring more victims into the fold. Ugh.

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by rational_1 April 4, 2008 11:16 AM PDT

"She said that when they ask her why they can''t get married, she tells them marriage is a state law."

Shows you how much she thinks of her own marriage - just some dusty piece of paper that she and Bubba signed years ago and that some bureaucrat then stamped and filed. Such a romantic...

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by rational_1 April 4, 2008 11:21 AM PDT

"Continue to support gay pride celebrations, to the extent that security would allow."

I wonder if Hill would be interested in supporting S&M celebrations or maybe help organize bondage rallies. Every sexual kink and fetish could have its public display with Hillary proudly carrying its banner. Or we could instead return to some sense of decorum and not have everyone''s sexuality constantly {ahem} shoved down our throats (the last bit was in recognition of Bubba''s contributions to this effort).

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by mudrose-2009 April 4, 2008 11:22 AM PDT

Clinton said she and her husband have many gay friends that they socialize with when they get the chance. "I''ve got friends, literally, around the country that I''m close to.

"It''s part of my life," she said. Now think about that. It would vindicate Bill and Monica wouldn''t it.

But leave it to the lefties. If there''s a way to give our institutions away as entitlement programs, they will find it.

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by duckman643 April 4, 2008 11:29 AM PDT

She just lost my vote.

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by hungry1968 April 4, 2008 11:31 AM PDT

Clinton Would Extend Same-*** Benefits
Democrat Says She''d Also Eliminate Husband''s "Don''t Ask, Don''t Tell" Policy




For someone running on the platform "Bill''s experience is my experience", she sure does discredit his policies an awful lot.

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by craigh9 April 4, 2008 11:39 AM PDT

Just another - say whatever you have to say to make yourself look appealing to the audience you are with.

Once again proving how transparent she is - how can anyone continue to support her?

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by tomanyt April 4, 2008 11:40 AM PDT

mudrose...I don''t see this as outrageous at all.

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by hungry1968 April 4, 2008 11:42 AM PDT

But leave it to the lefties. If there''''s a way to give our institutions away as entitlement programs, they will find it.

Posted by mudrose at 11:22 AM : Apr 04, 2008





Are you referring to the "holy matrimony" of marriage? Do you know that 73% of ALL marriages end in divorce after 7 years?

How "holy" and "sanctimonious" is an institution with a failure record like that?

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by tomanyt April 4, 2008 11:43 AM PDT

craigh9...All politicians do that. Obama and McCain are no different. So what is your point?

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by tomanyt April 4, 2008 11:45 AM PDT

hungry1968...Well put.

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by mannie49 April 4, 2008 11:56 AM PDT

She lost my vote when she mentioned Bosnia, Now she just added more fuel to the fire!! Count me out.

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by walt1944-2009 April 4, 2008 11:59 AM PDT

Neocon Fascist Nazis are in an uproar over Ms. Clinton''s gay rights stands including the forcing of the military to acknowledge the rights of *** to serve their country in the military.

Neocon Fascist Nazis would, apparently, want their butts defended by "straight" men and women who enjoy torturing suspected "terrrrrrrorists", killing innocent civilians, and raping their fellow soldiers on base with no fear of prosecution.

To the limited IQ of the average neocon Fascist Nazi, ***, because of who they are and their "wrapped" thinking, cannot take orders, drive a tank, fly a plane, or shot a gun let alone load it!

I wonder how many neocon Fascist Nazis have even put on a uniform or shown even a desire to serve their country by even reporting for jury duty?

SIG HEIL, BUSH!!!
sig heil, (more of the same) McCain!!!

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by extremophil April 4, 2008 12:11 PM PDT

Oh Goody goody. Now me and Hank can git marred to each udder.

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by rational_1 April 4, 2008 12:12 PM PDT

Are you referring to the "holy matrimony" of marriage? Do you know that 73% of ALL marriages end in divorce after 7 years?
How "holy" and "sanctimonious" is an institution with a failure record like that?
Posted by hungry1968 at 11:42 AM : Apr 04, 2008

Where did you find that 73% figure? The true divorce rate is somewhere in the 40-50% range. And I offer proof:

http://www.divorcereform.org/rates.html

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by bgddy58 April 4, 2008 12:17 PM PDT

CBS News wrote: Clinton Would Extend Same-*** Benefits

Of course; she''s gay

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by rational_1 April 4, 2008 12:17 PM PDT

SIG HEIL, BUSH!!!
sig heil, (more of the same) McCain!!!
Posted by walt1944 at 11:59 AM : Apr 04, 2008

As amusing as I find all this Seig Heil stuff, if you truly lived in a fascist country and verbally attacked the leader in print like you do, you''d be freezing your tail off in a gulag right now instead of still typing at your computer.

To compare the U.S. government to real fascists like the Nazis or Pinochet''s Chile, for example, trivializes what true victims of fascists had to endure.

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by jack3213 April 4, 2008 12:19 PM PDT

THIS WOMAN IS PATHETIC. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH SAME *** BENEFITS, BUT SHE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON HER ABILITIES TO LEAD A COUNTRY, HER ECONOMY PLANS, HER QUALIFICATIONS. OH, THAT''S RIGHT, SHE HAS NONE! LOL. SHE IS THE EPITOMY OF DIRT.

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by mudrose-2009 April 4, 2008 12:21 PM PDT

mudrose, duckman, mannie - so long, guys!

Posted by ccfsdca

Yes, because she''s gonna win on a Gay Mandate Platform. Because the rest of the country is just gonna roll over and accommodate her mandates as if she is gonna get elected. Oh, and the Schwarze Kennedy doesn''t believe in "Gay" nups.

Say bye, bye, sick puppy.

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by blackspirit3 April 4, 2008 12:24 PM PDT

REV WRIGHT STORY - In 1961, a young African-American man, after hearing President John F. Kennedy''s challenge to, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country," gave up his student deferment, left college in Virginia and voluntarily joined the Marines. In 1963, this man, having completed his two years of service in the Marines, volunteered again to become a Navy corpsman. The man did so well in corpsman school that he was the valedictorian and became a cardiopulmonary technician. Not surprisingly, he was assigned to the Navy''s premier medical facility, Bethesda Naval Hospital, as a member of the commander in chief''s medical team, and helped care for President Lyndon B. Johnson after his 1966 surgery. For his service on the team, which he left in 1967, the White House awarded him three letters of commendation. What is even more remarkable is that this man entered the Marines and Navy not many years after the two branches began to become integrated. While this young man was serving six years on active duty, Vice President *** Cheney, who was born the same year as the Marine/sailor, received five deferments, four for being an undergraduate and graduate student and one for being a prospective father. Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, both five years younger than the African-American youth, used their student deferments to stay in college until 1968. Both then avoided going on active duty through family connections. Who is the real patriot?

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by michael0004 April 4, 2008 12:25 PM PDT

THIS WOMAN IS PATHETIC. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH SAME *** BENEFITS, BUT SHE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON HER ABILITIES TO LEAD A COUNTRY, HER ECONOMY PLANS, HER QUALIFICATIONS. OH, THAT''''S RIGHT, SHE HAS NONE! LOL. SHE IS THE EPITOMY OF DIRT.


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Posted by JACK3213 at 12:19 PM : Apr 04, 2008

Your post is pitiful and nonsensical. If there is nothing wrong with same *** benefits, then obviously there is nothing wrong with her answering a question pertaining to same *** benefits. You are obviously opposed to anything and everything about Clinton, so any excuse to complain about Clinton will do for you. No thought required.

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by blkpresident April 4, 2008 12:34 PM PDT

There she goes again. This lil'' woman and her pipe dream. Hey PA. voters do America a favor, give missy a hint where she belongs. It''s be so long since she has cleaned her kitchen stove''s oven she may need a helpful reminder.

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by zendigity April 4, 2008 12:37 PM PDT

rational_1
I think the thing everyone worries about is that the Bush Admin has set up the framework to transform America into the kind of place where any dissention does lead to that kind of treatment.

Everything is building towards a tipping point.
What happens once that line gets crossed?

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by mudrose-2009 April 4, 2008 12:55 PM PDT

There is something wrong with same s*e*x unions but that''''s another Book.
Posted by maxify55

Yea, the problem is "union". Where, how?

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by taddles-2009 April 4, 2008 1:02 PM PDT

"Shows you how much she thinks of her own marriage - just some dusty piece of paper that she and Bubba signed years ago and that some bureaucrat then stamped and filed. Such a romantic...

Posted by rational_1 at 11:16 AM : Apr 04, 2008"


Technically and legally yes, that''s exactly what marriage is, purely contractual as far as the state is concerned. You can have whatever marriage ceremony you want or none at all, but your marriage is not legally binding until you sign the state authorized license...that dusty old piece of paper.

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by taddles-2009 April 4, 2008 1:03 PM PDT

"Yea, the problem is "union". Where, how?

Posted by mudrose at 12:55 PM : Apr 04, 2008"


And that''s any of your concern how? No one judges the questionable act that must occur in your bedroom.

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by jersupporter April 4, 2008 1:05 PM PDT

Neocon Fascist Nazis are in an uproar over Ms. Clinton''''s gay rights stands including the forcing of the military to acknowledge the rights of *** to serve their country in the military. Neocon Fascist Nazis would, apparently, want their butts defended by "straight" men and women who enjoy torturing suspected "terrrrrrrorists", killing innocent civilians, and raping their fellow soldiers on base with no fear of prosecution. To the limited IQ of the average neocon Fascist Nazi, ***, because of who they are and their "wrapped" thinking, cannot take orders, drive a tank, fly a plane, or shot a gun let alone load it! I wonder how many neocon Fascist Nazis have even put on a uniform or shown even a desire to serve their country by even reporting for jury duty?
SIG HEIL, BUSH!!! Sig heil, (more of the same) McCain!!! Posted by walt1944
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Here we go again. Grandpa Walt is off his meds and is better than anyone else.

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by hungry1968 April 4, 2008 1:07 PM PDT

There is something wrong with same s*e*x unions but that''''s another Book.

Posted by maxify55 at 12:51 PM : Apr 04, 2008




If you don''t like them, then don''t get involved in one. See how easy that is?

Now if only you prejudiced people could just learn to keep your comments to yourself regarding issues that don''t concern you, we''ll all be better off.

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by jersupporter April 4, 2008 1:07 PM PDT

There she goes again. This lil'''' woman and her pipe dream. Hey PA. voters do America a favor, give missy a hint where she belongs. It''''s be so long since she has cleaned her kitchen stove''''s oven she may need a helpful reminder. Posted by BLKPRESIDENT
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I guess it is OK to be a sexist pig, but not to be a racist? Huh, sounds rather hypocritical to me.

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by taddles-2009 April 4, 2008 1:08 PM PDT

"Now if only you prejudiced people could just learn to keep your comments to yourself regarding issues that don''''t concern you, we''''ll all be better off.

Posted by hungry1968 at 01:07 PM : Apr 04, 2008"


Amen brother!

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by usmcvn2 April 4, 2008 1:18 PM PDT

I''ve got friends, literally, around the country that I''m close to. It''s part of my life," she said.

Must be all the women with the Donald Trump hairdos that show up at her speech''s.

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by blackwater66-2009 April 4, 2008 1:23 PM PDT

This is exactly why she will not win the national election, nor will Obama. No Dem will win with these types of support to a small minority crowd of sicko''s. Only John McCain can keep this country on the high morale ground!

The Dems are making it easy for us to win Big John. You stick to the real issues and no problem,,

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by hungry1968 April 4, 2008 1:27 PM PDT

This is exactly why she will not win the national election, nor will Obama. No Dem will win with these types of support to a small minority crowd of sicko''''s. Only John McCain can keep this country on the high morale ground!

Posted by blackwater66 at 01:23 PM : Apr 04, 2008




Can you sing that to the tune of, "Bomb, bomb, bomb - bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran"?

After all - isn''t needless death and destruction considered "morally superior"?

And you called g`a`y''s sicko''s!!!!

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by taddles-2009 April 4, 2008 1:28 PM PDT

"Only John McCain can keep this country on the high morale ground!

Posted by blackwater66 at 01:23 PM : Apr 04, 2008"


Yea, cause constitutional amendments against a minority population is such moral high ground. Gotta love the party of bigots, at least you always know where they stand.

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by mudrose-2009 April 4, 2008 1:34 PM PDT

"Only John McCain can keep this country on the high morale ground!

Posted by blackwater66 at 01:23 PM : Apr 04, 2008"


Yea, cause constitutional amendments against a minority population is such moral high ground. Gotta love the party of bigots, at least you always know where they stand.
Posted by taddles

Yea, it''s highly moral. Homosexuality is an aberration and breads disease and dimentia. It''s bad enough progressives like Vermont wanna keep our kids literally dumbed down and sexed up with children under 16 years old have STDs. We don''t need them experimenting where they can get AIDS/HIV - ya know that disease that Rev. Wright says "we typical white people" gave to blacks.

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by papabc April 4, 2008 1:34 PM PDT

This is because she want to be with other women just like Bill.

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by hungry1968 April 4, 2008 1:38 PM PDT

Yea, it''''s highly moral. Homosexuality is an aberration and breads disease and dimentia. It''''s bad enough progressives like Vermont wanna keep our kids literally dumbed down and sexed up with children under 16 years old have STDs. We don''''t need them experimenting where they can get AIDS/HIV - ya know that disease that Rev. Wright says "we typical white people" gave to blacks.

Posted by mudrose at 01:34 PM : Apr 04, 2008




The last time that you caught a cold, did you "bleed" yourself?

Or did you attach leeches to your forehead?

Do you still take the "Conestoga" to the corner store?

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by mudrose-2009 April 4, 2008 1:44 PM PDT

The last time that you caught a cold, did you "bleed" yourself?

Or did you attach leeches to your forehead?

Do you still take the "Conestoga" to the corner store?
Posted by hungry1968

I took Echinacea - and stayed away from faires.

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by rational_1 April 4, 2008 2:19 PM PDT

"Shows you how much she thinks of her own marriage - just some dusty piece of paper that she and Bubba signed years ago and that some bureaucrat then stamped and filed. Such a romantic...
Posted by rational_1 at 11:16 AM : Apr 04, 2008"

Technically and legally yes, that''''s exactly what marriage is, purely contractual as far as the state is concerned. You can have whatever marriage ceremony you want or none at all, but your marriage is not legally binding until you sign the state authorized license...that dusty old piece of paper.
Posted by taddles at 01:02 PM : Apr 04, 2008

That was my point entirely. Clinton seems to treat marriage like she would any business contract between any two people. She doesn''t appear to think it is in any way special or deserving of greater societal respect and care than say signing a contract for phone or cable service. I don''t agree with her.

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by rowdytexan2 April 4, 2008 2:23 PM PDT

Good. A couple that supports each other as a family should have the same benefits as any other family.

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by rowdytexan2 April 4, 2008 2:26 PM PDT

Posted by rational_1 at 02:19 PM : Apr 04, 2008

The thing is you all have no idea about her marriage and it''s none of your business. You''d go totally postal if someone asked you why you stay with your wife or husband.

Many non-political married couples stay together for financial reasons. It''s not like it''s not done all over America.

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by trishab4 April 4, 2008 2:29 PM PDT

In this regard, Is Hillary getting support from Mary Dicck Cheney and her wife-husband??

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by rational_1 April 4, 2008 2:44 PM PDT

Posted by rational_1 at 02:19 PM : Apr 04, 2008

The thing is you all have no idea about her marriage and it''''s none of your business. You''''d go totally postal if someone asked you why you stay with your wife or husband.
Many non-political married couples stay together for financial reasons. It''''s not like it''''s not done all over America.
Posted by RowdyTexan2 at 02:26 PM : Apr 04, 2008

Hey, she''s the one who brought up this marriage stuff, not me - I just responded. So, based on what she''s said she''s either describing her marriage or her belief in what our (the plebes) marriages are like. In her opinion it''s a ''state'' thing, which implies it''s just a contract. Like I said I don''t agree with her and think that that attitude cheapens and diminishes marriage.

As for people getting or staying ''married'' for whatever petty reasons (political, financial or otherwise), it''s debatable if they''re really married. Sure, on paper (whoop de doo), but really married, as in this is the person I can''t live without and with whom I will spend the rest of my life? Naw. I suspect Hill now has a paper marriage and think it''s a distinct possibility Bubba will be packing his bags once Hillary loses her shot at the Presidency. Again, just my opinion...

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by taddles-2009 April 4, 2008 2:45 PM PDT

"Yea, it''''s highly moral. Homosexuality is an aberration and breads disease and dimentia.

Posted by mudrose at 01:34 PM : Apr 04, 2008"


Are you retarded??? Dimentia??? What ignorant moron told you that piece of idiot trash? Mud you are a f**king moron that''s all there is to it, you''re too d4m stupid to live. Dimentia?!?....you''re f**king pathetic.

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by taddles-2009 April 4, 2008 2:47 PM PDT

"She doesn''''t appear to think it is in any way special or deserving of greater societal respect and care than say signing a contract for phone or cable service. I don''''t agree with her.

Posted by rational_1 at 02:19 PM : Apr 04, 2008"


Regardless of whether you agree, the fact is that, to the state, marriage is simply a legal contract and nothing more. If you want to add ceremonial significance of your choosing to it that''s your business and not the states.

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by taddles-2009 April 4, 2008 2:48 PM PDT

"Many non-political married couples stay together for financial reasons. It''''s not like it''''s not done all over America.

Posted by RowdyTexan2 at 02:26 PM : Apr 04, 2008"


D4m it! just when I thought I had you pegged you go and post something sensible like that...STOP IT!

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by rowdytexan2 April 4, 2008 2:50 PM PDT

Posted by taddles at 02:48 PM : Apr 04, 2008

Pfffffffft, ROFL!

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by rowdytexan2 April 4, 2008 2:53 PM PDT

Posted by rational_1 at 02:44 PM : Apr 04, 2008

Any marriage you have is just a piece of paper!

The committment to it for whatever reason lies with the person who stays in it!

When you support civil rights, you have to support civil rights for EVERYONE! If you don''t support civil rights for everyone, then you don''t support civil rights at all!

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by rational_1 April 4, 2008 3:01 PM PDT

"She doesn''''''''t appear to think it is in any way special or deserving of greater societal respect and care than say signing a contract for phone or cable service. I don''''''''t agree with her.
Posted by rational_1 at 02:19 PM : Apr 04, 2008"

Regardless of whether you agree, the fact is that, to the state, marriage is simply a legal contract and nothing more. If you want to add ceremonial significance of your choosing to it that''''s your business and not the states.
Posted by taddles at 02:47 PM : Apr 04, 2008

You''re quite right, from a bureaucratic, legalistic point of view - and if you think that''s all a marriage is, then great for you. I do happen to think a marriage contract is different from, say, a sales contract and don''t particularly care that the state or Hillary disagrees. In my opinion (and that''s what we are expressing on these boards right?) Hillary''s concept of marriage as some sort of state contract cheapens it. Hillary could pass some sort of law stating a goat can marry a chicken and she (and maybe you) might believe that''s a marriage, but I wouldn''t.

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by rowdytexan2 April 4, 2008 3:07 PM PDT

Posted by rational_1 at 03:01 PM : Apr 04, 2008

Why do you think Laura Bush stays married to Dubya! When she goes out on the balcony to smoke her cigarette at night, she pro''bly sends up a prayer to God asking him to forgive Dubya for his lies!

Talk about a political marriage! She was chosen for him when Poppa Bush decided to try to clean him up and sell him off as the stoolie for the Neocons!

Look at Eleanor Roosevelt, one of the other most important first ladies of the Century. She stayed with that old goat when he stashed his woman right out in the gardenhouse!

People stay in marriages for all kinds of different reasons. It''s their business, nobody elses!

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[mudrose-2009]

Desperate people do desperate things. How outrageous is this? Quick let''s bring more victims into the fold. Ugh.

[rational_1]

"She said that when they ask her why they can''t get married, she tells them marriage is a state law."

Shows you how much she thinks of her own marriage - just some dusty piece of paper that she and Bubba signed years ago and that some bureaucrat then stamped and filed. Such a romantic...

[rational_1]

"Continue to support gay pride celebrations, to the extent that security would allow."

I wonder if Hill would be interested in supporting S&M celebrations or maybe help organize bondage rallies. Every sexual kink and fetish could have its public display with Hillary proudly carrying its banner. Or we could instead return to some sense of decorum and not have everyone''s sexuality constantly {ahem} shoved down our throats (the last bit was in recognition of Bubba''s contributions to this effort).

[mudrose-2009]

Clinton said she and her husband have many gay friends that they socialize with when they get the chance. "I''ve got friends, literally, around the country that I''m close to.

"It''s part of my life," she said. Now think about that. It would vindicate Bill and Monica wouldn''t it.

But leave it to the lefties. If there''s a way to give our institutions away as entitlement programs, they will find it.

[duckman643]

She just lost my vote.

[hungry1968]

Clinton Would Extend Same-*** Benefits
Democrat Says She''d Also Eliminate Husband''s "Don''t Ask, Don''t Tell" Policy




For someone running on the platform "Bill''s experience is my experience", she sure does discredit his policies an awful lot.

[craigh9]

Just another - say whatever you have to say to make yourself look appealing to the audience you are with.

Once again proving how transparent she is - how can anyone continue to support her?

[tomanyt]

mudrose...I don''t see this as outrageous at all.

[hungry1968]

But leave it to the lefties. If there''''s a way to give our institutions away as entitlement programs, they will find it.

Posted by mudrose at 11:22 AM : Apr 04, 2008





Are you referring to the "holy matrimony" of marriage? Do you know that 73% of ALL marriages end in divorce after 7 years?

How "holy" and "sanctimonious" is an institution with a failure record like that?

[tomanyt]

craigh9...All politicians do that. Obama and McCain are no different. So what is your point?

[tomanyt]

hungry1968...Well put.

[mannie49]

She lost my vote when she mentioned Bosnia, Now she just added more fuel to the fire!! Count me out.

[walt1944-2009]

Neocon Fascist Nazis are in an uproar over Ms. Clinton''s gay rights stands including the forcing of the military to acknowledge the rights of *** to serve their country in the military.

Neocon Fascist Nazis would, apparently, want their butts defended by "straight" men and women who enjoy torturing suspected "terrrrrrrorists", killing innocent civilians, and raping their fellow soldiers on base with no fear of prosecution.

To the limited IQ of the average neocon Fascist Nazi, ***, because of who they are and their "wrapped" thinking, cannot take orders, drive a tank, fly a plane, or shot a gun let alone load it!

I wonder how many neocon Fascist Nazis have even put on a uniform or shown even a desire to serve their country by even reporting for jury duty?

SIG HEIL, BUSH!!!
sig heil, (more of the same) McCain!!!

[extremophil]

Oh Goody goody. Now me and Hank can git marred to each udder.

[rational_1]

Are you referring to the "holy matrimony" of marriage? Do you know that 73% of ALL marriages end in divorce after 7 years?
How "holy" and "sanctimonious" is an institution with a failure record like that?
Posted by hungry1968 at 11:42 AM : Apr 04, 2008

Where did you find that 73% figure? The true divorce rate is somewhere in the 40-50% range. And I offer proof:

http://www.divorcereform.org/rates.html

[bgddy58]

CBS News wrote: Clinton Would Extend Same-*** Benefits

Of course; she''s gay

[rational_1]

SIG HEIL, BUSH!!!
sig heil, (more of the same) McCain!!!
Posted by walt1944 at 11:59 AM : Apr 04, 2008

As amusing as I find all this Seig Heil stuff, if you truly lived in a fascist country and verbally attacked the leader in print like you do, you''d be freezing your tail off in a gulag right now instead of still typing at your computer.

To compare the U.S. government to real fascists like the Nazis or Pinochet''s Chile, for example, trivializes what true victims of fascists had to endure.

[jack3213]

THIS WOMAN IS PATHETIC. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH SAME *** BENEFITS, BUT SHE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON HER ABILITIES TO LEAD A COUNTRY, HER ECONOMY PLANS, HER QUALIFICATIONS. OH, THAT''S RIGHT, SHE HAS NONE! LOL. SHE IS THE EPITOMY OF DIRT.

[mudrose-2009]

mudrose, duckman, mannie - so long, guys!

Posted by ccfsdca

Yes, because she''s gonna win on a Gay Mandate Platform. Because the rest of the country is just gonna roll over and accommodate her mandates as if she is gonna get elected. Oh, and the Schwarze Kennedy doesn''t believe in "Gay" nups.

Say bye, bye, sick puppy.

[blackspirit3]

REV WRIGHT STORY - In 1961, a young African-American man, after hearing President John F. Kennedy''s challenge to, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country," gave up his student deferment, left college in Virginia and voluntarily joined the Marines. In 1963, this man, having completed his two years of service in the Marines, volunteered again to become a Navy corpsman. The man did so well in corpsman school that he was the valedictorian and became a cardiopulmonary technician. Not surprisingly, he was assigned to the Navy''s premier medical facility, Bethesda Naval Hospital, as a member of the commander in chief''s medical team, and helped care for President Lyndon B. Johnson after his 1966 surgery. For his service on the team, which he left in 1967, the White House awarded him three letters of commendation. What is even more remarkable is that this man entered the Marines and Navy not many years after the two branches began to become integrated. While this young man was serving six years on active duty, Vice President *** Cheney, who was born the same year as the Marine/sailor, received five deferments, four for being an undergraduate and graduate student and one for being a prospective father. Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, both five years younger than the African-American youth, used their student deferments to stay in college until 1968. Both then avoided going on active duty through family connections. Who is the real patriot?

[michael0004]

THIS WOMAN IS PATHETIC. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH SAME *** BENEFITS, BUT SHE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON HER ABILITIES TO LEAD A COUNTRY, HER ECONOMY PLANS, HER QUALIFICATIONS. OH, THAT''''S RIGHT, SHE HAS NONE! LOL. SHE IS THE EPITOMY OF DIRT.


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Posted by JACK3213 at 12:19 PM : Apr 04, 2008

Your post is pitiful and nonsensical. If there is nothing wrong with same *** benefits, then obviously there is nothing wrong with her answering a question pertaining to same *** benefits. You are obviously opposed to anything and everything about Clinton, so any excuse to complain about Clinton will do for you. No thought required.

[blkpresident]

There she goes again. This lil'' woman and her pipe dream. Hey PA. voters do America a favor, give missy a hint where she belongs. It''s be so long since she has cleaned her kitchen stove''s oven she may need a helpful reminder.

[zendigity]

rational_1
I think the thing everyone worries about is that the Bush Admin has set up the framework to transform America into the kind of place where any dissention does lead to that kind of treatment.

Everything is building towards a tipping point.
What happens once that line gets crossed?

[mudrose-2009]

There is something wrong with same s*e*x unions but that''''s another Book.
Posted by maxify55

Yea, the problem is "union". Where, how?

[taddles-2009]

"Shows you how much she thinks of her own marriage - just some dusty piece of paper that she and Bubba signed years ago and that some bureaucrat then stamped and filed. Such a romantic...

Posted by rational_1 at 11:16 AM : Apr 04, 2008"


Technically and legally yes, that''s exactly what marriage is, purely contractual as far as the state is concerned. You can have whatever marriage ceremony you want or none at all, but your marriage is not legally binding until you sign the state authorized license...that dusty old piece of paper.

[taddles-2009]

"Yea, the problem is "union". Where, how?

Posted by mudrose at 12:55 PM : Apr 04, 2008"


And that''s any of your concern how? No one judges the questionable act that must occur in your bedroom.

[jersupporter]

Neocon Fascist Nazis are in an uproar over Ms. Clinton''''s gay rights stands including the forcing of the military to acknowledge the rights of *** to serve their country in the military. Neocon Fascist Nazis would, apparently, want their butts defended by "straight" men and women who enjoy torturing suspected "terrrrrrrorists", killing innocent civilians, and raping their fellow soldiers on base with no fear of prosecution. To the limited IQ of the average neocon Fascist Nazi, ***, because of who they are and their "wrapped" thinking, cannot take orders, drive a tank, fly a plane, or shot a gun let alone load it! I wonder how many neocon Fascist Nazis have even put on a uniform or shown even a desire to serve their country by even reporting for jury duty?
SIG HEIL, BUSH!!! Sig heil, (more of the same) McCain!!! Posted by walt1944
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Here we go again. Grandpa Walt is off his meds and is better than anyone else.

[hungry1968]

There is something wrong with same s*e*x unions but that''''s another Book.

Posted by maxify55 at 12:51 PM : Apr 04, 2008




If you don''t like them, then don''t get involved in one. See how easy that is?

Now if only you prejudiced people could just learn to keep your comments to yourself regarding issues that don''t concern you, we''ll all be better off.

[jersupporter]

There she goes again. This lil'''' woman and her pipe dream. Hey PA. voters do America a favor, give missy a hint where she belongs. It''''s be so long since she has cleaned her kitchen stove''''s oven she may need a helpful reminder. Posted by BLKPRESIDENT
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I guess it is OK to be a sexist pig, but not to be a racist? Huh, sounds rather hypocritical to me.

[taddles-2009]

"Now if only you prejudiced people could just learn to keep your comments to yourself regarding issues that don''''t concern you, we''''ll all be better off.

Posted by hungry1968 at 01:07 PM : Apr 04, 2008"


Amen brother!

[usmcvn2]

I''ve got friends, literally, around the country that I''m close to. It''s part of my life," she said.

Must be all the women with the Donald Trump hairdos that show up at her speech''s.

[blackwater66-2009]

This is exactly why she will not win the national election, nor will Obama. No Dem will win with these types of support to a small minority crowd of sicko''s. Only John McCain can keep this country on the high morale ground!

The Dems are making it easy for us to win Big John. You stick to the real issues and no problem,,

[hungry1968]

This is exactly why she will not win the national election, nor will Obama. No Dem will win with these types of support to a small minority crowd of sicko''''s. Only John McCain can keep this country on the high morale ground!

Posted by blackwater66 at 01:23 PM : Apr 04, 2008




Can you sing that to the tune of, "Bomb, bomb, bomb - bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran"?

After all - isn''t needless death and destruction considered "morally superior"?

And you called g`a`y''s sicko''s!!!!

[taddles-2009]

"Only John McCain can keep this country on the high morale ground!

Posted by blackwater66 at 01:23 PM : Apr 04, 2008"


Yea, cause constitutional amendments against a minority population is such moral high ground. Gotta love the party of bigots, at least you always know where they stand.

[mudrose-2009]

"Only John McCain can keep this country on the high morale ground!

Posted by blackwater66 at 01:23 PM : Apr 04, 2008"


Yea, cause constitutional amendments against a minority population is such moral high ground. Gotta love the party of bigots, at least you always know where they stand.
Posted by taddles

Yea, it''s highly moral. Homosexuality is an aberration and breads disease and dimentia. It''s bad enough progressives like Vermont wanna keep our kids literally dumbed down and sexed up with children under 16 years old have STDs. We don''t need them experimenting where they can get AIDS/HIV - ya know that disease that Rev. Wright says "we typical white people" gave to blacks.

[papabc]

This is because she want to be with other women just like Bill.

[hungry1968]

Yea, it''''s highly moral. Homosexuality is an aberration and breads disease and dimentia. It''''s bad enough progressives like Vermont wanna keep our kids literally dumbed down and sexed up with children under 16 years old have STDs. We don''''t need them experimenting where they can get AIDS/HIV - ya know that disease that Rev. Wright says "we typical white people" gave to blacks.

Posted by mudrose at 01:34 PM : Apr 04, 2008




The last time that you caught a cold, did you "bleed" yourself?

Or did you attach leeches to your forehead?

Do you still take the "Conestoga" to the corner store?

[mudrose-2009]

The last time that you caught a cold, did you "bleed" yourself?

Or did you attach leeches to your forehead?

Do you still take the "Conestoga" to the corner store?
Posted by hungry1968

I took Echinacea - and stayed away from faires.

[rational_1]

"Shows you how much she thinks of her own marriage - just some dusty piece of paper that she and Bubba signed years ago and that some bureaucrat then stamped and filed. Such a romantic...
Posted by rational_1 at 11:16 AM : Apr 04, 2008"

Technically and legally yes, that''''s exactly what marriage is, purely contractual as far as the state is concerned. You can have whatever marriage ceremony you want or none at all, but your marriage is not legally binding until you sign the state authorized license...that dusty old piece of paper.
Posted by taddles at 01:02 PM : Apr 04, 2008

That was my point entirely. Clinton seems to treat marriage like she would any business contract between any two people. She doesn''t appear to think it is in any way special or deserving of greater societal respect and care than say signing a contract for phone or cable service. I don''t agree with her.

[rowdytexan2]

Good. A couple that supports each other as a family should have the same benefits as any other family.

[rowdytexan2]

Posted by rational_1 at 02:19 PM : Apr 04, 2008

The thing is you all have no idea about her marriage and it''s none of your business. You''d go totally postal if someone asked you why you stay with your wife or husband.

Many non-political married couples stay together for financial reasons. It''s not like it''s not done all over America.

[trishab4]

In this regard, Is Hillary getting support from Mary Dicck Cheney and her wife-husband??

[rational_1]

Posted by rational_1 at 02:19 PM : Apr 04, 2008

The thing is you all have no idea about her marriage and it''''s none of your business. You''''d go totally postal if someone asked you why you stay with your wife or husband.
Many non-political married couples stay together for financial reasons. It''''s not like it''''s not done all over America.
Posted by RowdyTexan2 at 02:26 PM : Apr 04, 2008

Hey, she''s the one who brought up this marriage stuff, not me - I just responded. So, based on what she''s said she''s either describing her marriage or her belief in what our (the plebes) marriages are like. In her opinion it''s a ''state'' thing, which implies it''s just a contract. Like I said I don''t agree with her and think that that attitude cheapens and diminishes marriage.

As for people getting or staying ''married'' for whatever petty reasons (political, financial or otherwise), it''s debatable if they''re really married. Sure, on paper (whoop de doo), but really married, as in this is the person I can''t live without and with whom I will spend the rest of my life? Naw. I suspect Hill now has a paper marriage and think it''s a distinct possibility Bubba will be packing his bags once Hillary loses her shot at the Presidency. Again, just my opinion...

[taddles-2009]

"Yea, it''''s highly moral. Homosexuality is an aberration and breads disease and dimentia.

Posted by mudrose at 01:34 PM : Apr 04, 2008"


Are you retarded??? Dimentia??? What ignorant moron told you that piece of idiot trash? Mud you are a f**king moron that''s all there is to it, you''re too d4m stupid to live. Dimentia?!?....you''re f**king pathetic.

[taddles-2009]

"She doesn''''t appear to think it is in any way special or deserving of greater societal respect and care than say signing a contract for phone or cable service. I don''''t agree with her.

Posted by rational_1 at 02:19 PM : Apr 04, 2008"


Regardless of whether you agree, the fact is that, to the state, marriage is simply a legal contract and nothing more. If you want to add ceremonial significance of your choosing to it that''s your business and not the states.

[taddles-2009]

"Many non-political married couples stay together for financial reasons. It''''s not like it''''s not done all over America.

Posted by RowdyTexan2 at 02:26 PM : Apr 04, 2008"


D4m it! just when I thought I had you pegged you go and post something sensible like that...STOP IT!

[rowdytexan2]

Posted by taddles at 02:48 PM : Apr 04, 2008

Pfffffffft, ROFL!

[rowdytexan2]

Posted by rational_1 at 02:44 PM : Apr 04, 2008

Any marriage you have is just a piece of paper!

The committment to it for whatever reason lies with the person who stays in it!

When you support civil rights, you have to support civil rights for EVERYONE! If you don''t support civil rights for everyone, then you don''t support civil rights at all!

[rational_1]

"She doesn''''''''t appear to think it is in any way special or deserving of greater societal respect and care than say signing a contract for phone or cable service. I don''''''''t agree with her.
Posted by rational_1 at 02:19 PM : Apr 04, 2008"

Regardless of whether you agree, the fact is that, to the state, marriage is simply a legal contract and nothing more. If you want to add ceremonial significance of your choosing to it that''''s your business and not the states.
Posted by taddles at 02:47 PM : Apr 04, 2008

You''re quite right, from a bureaucratic, legalistic point of view - and if you think that''s all a marriage is, then great for you. I do happen to think a marriage contract is different from, say, a sales contract and don''t particularly care that the state or Hillary disagrees. In my opinion (and that''s what we are expressing on these boards right?) Hillary''s concept of marriage as some sort of state contract cheapens it. Hillary could pass some sort of law stating a goat can marry a chicken and she (and maybe you) might believe that''s a marriage, but I wouldn''t.

[rowdytexan2]

Posted by rational_1 at 03:01 PM : Apr 04, 2008

Why do you think Laura Bush stays married to Dubya! When she goes out on the balcony to smoke her cigarette at night, she pro''bly sends up a prayer to God asking him to forgive Dubya for his lies!

Talk about a political marriage! She was chosen for him when Poppa Bush decided to try to clean him up and sell him off as the stoolie for the Neocons!

Look at Eleanor Roosevelt, one of the other most important first ladies of the Century. She stayed with that old goat when he stashed his woman right out in the gardenhouse!

People stay in marriages for all kinds of different reasons. It''s their business, nobody elses!