March 22, 2008

Hillary's NAFTA Lie

The Nation: Clinton Distortion Kills Her Credibility on Trade Policy

  • Supporters hold up signs asking Michigan's primary votes be counted as Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., is introduced at a campaign rally in Detroit, Wednesday, March 19, 2008. Photo

    Supporters hold up signs asking Michigan's primary votes be counted as Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., is introduced at a campaign rally in Detroit, Wednesday, March 19, 2008.  (AP)

(The Nation)  This column was written by John Nichols.
What is the proper word for the claim by Hillary Clinton and the more factually disinclined supporters of her campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination - made in speeches, briefings and interviews (including one by this reporter with the candidate) - that she has always been a critic of the North American Free Trade Agreement?

Now that we know from the 11,000 pages of Clinton White House documents released this week that former First Lady was an ardent advocate for NAFTA; now that we know she held at least five meetings to strategize about how to win congressional approval of the deal; now that we know she was in the thick of the manuevering to block the efforts of labor, farm, environmental and human rights groups to get a better agreement. Now that we know all of this, how should we assess the claim that Hillary's heart has always beaten to a fair-trade rhythm?

Now that we know from official records of her time as First Lady that Clinton was the featured speaker at a closed-door session where 120 women opinion leaders were hectored to pressure their congressional representatives to approve NAFTA; now that we know from ABC News reporting on the session that "her remarks were totally pro-NAFTA" and that "there was no equivocation for her support for NAFTA at the time;" now that we have these details confirmed, what should we make of Clinton's campaign claim that she was never comfortable with the militant free-trade agenda that has cost the United States hundreds of thousands of union jobs, that has idled entire industries, that has saddled this country with record trade deficits, undermined the security of working families in the US and abroad, and has forced Mexican farmers off their land into an economic refugee status that ultimately forces them to cross the Rio Grande River in search of work?

As she campaigns now, Clinton says, "I have been a critic of NAFTA from the very beginning."

But the White House records confirm that this is not true.

Her statement is, to be precise, a lie.

When it comes to the essential test of the trade debate, Clinton has been identified as a liar - a put-in-boldface-type "L-I-A-R" liar.

Those of us who covered the 1993 NAFTA debate have frequently expressed doubts about the former First Lady's recent statements. We never heard anything at the time about her dissenting from the Clinton Administration line on trade policy. And we knew that she had defended NAFTA in the years following its enactment. But fairness required that we at least entertain that notion - promoted by the lamentable David Gergen, himself a champion of free-trade policies while working in the Clinton White House - that Hillary Clinton had been a behind-the-scenes critic. We had to at least consider the possibility that, at the very least, Clinton had been worried that advancing NAFTA would trip up her advocacy for health care reform, that she had made her concerns known and that she had absented herself from pro-NAFTA lobbying.

This was certainly the impression that Clinton and her supporters sought to create as she campaigned in Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Indiana - states where worried workers want to know exactly where the candidates have stood and currently stand with regard to trade issues.

But that impression was a deliberate deception.

And we must all now recognize that when Hillary Clinton speaks about trade policy, she begins with a lie so blatant - that she's been "a critic of NAFTA from the very beginning" - that everything else she says must be viewed as suspect.

By John Nichols
Reprinted with permission from The Nation.



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by hp32970c March 22, 2008 2:49 PM PDT
You think she''ll carry Ohio in the general now?
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by johnny_chaos March 22, 2008 3:12 PM PDT
Hillary is dishonest, self-motivated, vile and evil.
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by johnny_chaos March 22, 2008 3:24 PM PDT
Hillary is an ******* but she will carry Ohio and PA. Great place to find lower income, uneducated folk who cant read between the lines. Hillary thinks were too stupid to remember her lies. why wont she allow access to her files? oh, they show she is completly making up her record, she supported all the programs which bleed america and her mandatory healthcare plan is just another handout to the insurance industry and tax on the poor.
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by paris1969 March 22, 2008 4:23 PM PDT
NObama''s NAFTA Lie
NObama Distortion Kills His Credibility on Trade Policy

.... The Nation is a pinko-left-wing rag that cannot be trusted ....
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by deviant24x March 22, 2008 4:26 PM PDT
Hillary will never make it to the general election. Her disdain for the american public is clear with all the lies and dirty divisive tactics she has used in the attempt to win the party nomination. Obama is already the clear nomination, the media just wants to make the election more dramatic by dragging it out and making it seem like it is close.

Hillary is behind by over 100 delegates.
Hillary is losing the popular vote by almost a million.
Hillary''s "wins" in Michigan and Florida will not count because they were breaking the rules set by the DNC. In Michigan she broke her promise to remove her name from the ballot. In Florida, while she didnt campaign, she did have a "victory" celebration right after the first votes were to be tallied.
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by paris1969 March 22, 2008 4:30 PM PDT
"Hillary is an ******* but she will carry Ohio and PA. Great place to find lower income, uneducated folk who cant read between the lines."
... johnny_chaos ... these lower income, uneducated folk are the ones who fight in the military for our country, milk the cows, grow the grain, and work in the factories .... you put them down and you put down America ... which is why lefties like you don''t mind that NObama supports a minister who says "God *** America!" ... you sound like an elitist who may have education ... but ZERO commonsense!!
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by johnny_chaos March 22, 2008 4:57 PM PDT
paris1969, I''d vote for MCCain over Hillary. If the poor and uneducated buy her line, they have no common sense. blue collar workers need an ally, not someone to exploit them for votes and sell them to the corporate donors that paid her way. also, i couldnt care less about the speech. if your so fragile that you cant take someone dissing your country your really unstable. just an observation, but a flag is cloth, a country is an arbitray line on a map and a government is the band of thugs with the most force. study some history, you might walk away with a much more realistic view of your country and your world. or keep it us and them and be a tool for others, your call, i prefer freedom.
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by tbweb March 22, 2008 4:59 PM PDT
Sen. Clinton can''t tell the truth about the details of her experience because she will embarrass her husband former Pres. Bill Clinton. If you recall former Pres. Bill Clinton has said on occasion that Hillary is one of the smartest people he knows and he consults with her often. Translated, this could mean that when Bill made important decisions he consulted with Hillary and got her advice, also, everyone thinks Bill is the smarter of the two but in fact it may actually be Hillary! Hillary can''t come out and say I made the decisions for this and that while Bill was President because its too embarrassing, but she probably did on occasion and does have experience she can''t claim! Bill is a better public speaker but Hillary may in fact be the real brains, whatever, they are both smart! But back to the lie, yep, Sen. Clinton got caught red handed lying about her NAFTA position, but the real surprise may come with the release of her Tax Returns and the disclosures in them may be the other shoe dropping and end her campaign!
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by aicohnx2 March 22, 2008 5:37 PM PDT
Hillary can''t tell the difference between lies & truth anymore, that is if she ever could.

In one of her campaign stump speeches she was blathering on about how she had to miss a welcoming ceremony because of sniper fire someplace she went while first lady. Then the tv channel showed a photo from that very welcoming ceremony. The whole schpiel about sniper bullets whizzing overhead was just lying fluff to try & convince the audience she''d "really been around".

Lies are HRC''s stock in trade. This confirmation she is also lying about her NAFTA position is very unsurprising.

Maybe somebody could post something about which she had told the truth. Now that would be surprising.
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by gkc99 March 22, 2008 5:41 PM PDT
Whenever Hillary states a position, it''s prefaced by the phrase "as I''ve said many times . . ."

She''s said that so many times she perhaps has come to believe it.

The truth is, Bill and Hillary were and are big backers of "free trade", i.e, transnational exploitation of workers by multinational corporations.

Bill not only pushed NAFTA, but acting at the behest of Bill Gates and Larry Ellison, presided over the biggest giveaway in history of U.S. technical skills to Asians, hundreds of thousands of whom were imported to train in jobs previously held by U.S. workers, skills which they then took back to China and India along with the jobs.

And Hillary was all in favor of that until it became an embarrassment to her. Now she''s "pro-worker" since people have become aware what a scam "free trade" really is.

And she''s said that many times.
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by March 22, 2008 6:02 PM PDT
"What is done in the dark of night, comes to light in the dawn of day."

I''ve said all along, there is little difference between Clinton and McCain. They both voted for an illegal war that has cost $3 trillion dollars - money that could have saved America. Both of them lie - repeatedly - to the citizens. They answer not to the people, but to big business.

The uneducated watch Fox News for their information. A station that feeds republican, right-wing propaganda. Clinton and McCain rely on the dumbed up masses to allow them to continue raping America and the world. You can tell who these people are by the ignorant comments and profanity they use because they don''t know how to communicate.

Well, it turns out that educated young adults, educated adults, and blue collar white males have been supporting Obama in droves. While blacks primarily support Obama, they represent only 12.4% of the population. This means that the majority of Obama''s support are whites.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/23726367#23726367
http://www.standanddeliveramerica.com/a-new-kind-of-politician/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/obamas-minister-committe_b_91774.html
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by March 22, 2008 6:07 PM PDT
Liar, liar, liar, I told you so.
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by perceptions5 March 22, 2008 6:11 PM PDT
I don''t believe the Democrat Party has ever submitted two weaker and unqualified candidates as we see this time around.

I couldn''t imagine either of these candiates being Commander-in-Chief along with their crop of campaign staff that would serve as the next "administration".

That''s probably why either one can win the nomination.

And to make matters worse the Democrat Party is claiming that America has only 48 states, totally ignoring the great states of Florida and Michigan. Why aren''t the Democrats COUNTING ALL THE VOTES? I thought only the GOP did that. Isn''t that what the Democrats and their close pals in our corrupt liberal MSM wolfpack press always told us? They wouldn''t be lying to us ALL these years would they? They wouldn''t do something like this themselves would they?

I wonder how the folks in the "non-states" of Florida and Michigan are going to vote in November? Will both these states being going "deep red" in November? Can a Democrat win the White House without winning Michigan?

And finally do we really want to, as Americans, vote for a Party that can''t even nominate a candidate for Prez. And vote for the Party that now controls our 110th Do-Nothing Democrat Congress with the lowest approval ratings in the history of Congress???

Can we?

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by cfin5 March 22, 2008 6:32 PM PDT
I''m really hoping that America will wake up and take another look at Dr. Ron Paul before its too late. You won''t find him double talking on any issue. If he was in the democrat party I would vote for him. He''s a loyal American public servant. I mean, what does the voter expect out of a President that he has not already demonstrated with his integrity working for us?
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by hbevis March 22, 2008 6:42 PM PDT
Hillary has told so many lies that she is beginning to believe them herself. Why does she keep on quoting things that have a paper trail. She surely is not that crazy. Any time something is quoted, someone somewhere is going to check it out to see if it is correct.
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by hypnotoad72 March 22, 2008 7:00 PM PDT
Well, she had her people kiss up to unions and send out big glossy fliers blaming Bush for offshoring jobs. Everyone knows of Tata, and I''m not talking about euphemistic colloquialisms for certain body parts either!

Dunno about Obama thanks to being ashamed of his family (were his grandmother and half-sister monsters toward him, or are they "defeated overlord honkies" or whatever in his eyes? THAT is what voters need to decide come election-time, if he is the Dems'' nominee)

Dunno where McCain stands, apart from a very bad joke about not wanting to pick lettuce for even $50/hr, he has stances on issues that show he is middle of the road too.

Hmmm, I feel sorry for Ann Coulter and other conservatives who say they will vote for Hillary over McCain. Hillary is losing the battle, it seems. Does this mean these same conservatives will vote for Obama?
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by hungry1968 March 22, 2008 7:38 PM PDT
Hillary''s NAFTA Lie
The Nation: Clinton Distortion Kills Her Credibility on Trade Policy




It isn''t just her credibility on trade issues. She lost all credibility months ago when she started her "kitchen sink" / "win at all costs" strategies a few months ago.

The only one winning in all of this is McCain. She''s only hurting herself and Obama with this "I''m not the only loser strategy".
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by hungry1968 March 22, 2008 7:40 PM PDT
Hillary has told so many lies that she is beginning to believe them herself. Why does she keep on quoting things that have a paper trail. She surely is not that crazy. Any time something is quoted, someone somewhere is going to check it out to see if it is correct.

Posted by hbevis at 06:42 PM : Mar 22, 2008




She''s not smart enough to figure it out.
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by jesterbelle March 22, 2008 8:17 PM PDT
More evidence that Hillary is a republican that says she''s a democrat,and a neocon to boot.
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by fredgrad2000 March 22, 2008 8:55 PM PDT
Her NAFTA lie, her flip-flopping on driver''s licenses for illegals; etc. Small potatoes compared to her big lie in this campaign; the "experience" lie. Her policy flip-flops and disingenuity on positions and on the positions of her opponents are nothing compared to the real lie of this campaign; that she is the candidate of "experience". Her "35 years of experience" constitute nothing more than what Obama has; and far far far far less than what McCain has. I can''t wait for an experience debate between her and McCain should she find a way to cheat her way past the facts that she has won less than 50% of the primary contests as Obama, will not win the popular vote, and will trail the delegate count as well...
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by fredgrad2000 March 22, 2008 9:00 PM PDT
Cont''d...I submit if she is placed against McCain; he will be the experience candidate AND the CHANGE candidate. The only change Hillary represents is changing her positions once she decided to run for office. In the years before the campaign started; let''s see who is more "status quo" with Hill vs McCain. Hill pushes for earmarks and takes money from lobbyists; McCain neither. McCain worked for compromise across the aisle on immigration, judges, global warming - Hillary, in order to appease MoveOn and the like for her presidential run, voted against the bi-partisan bills each time or voted for amendments that killed the deals. Hillary gave lip-service at best to criticism of the Iraq War she voted to authorize while McCain was fighting his own party and smashing Rumsfeld and pushing for the eventual "surge" strategy that is the closest to victory we have come in this war. Hillary is the candidate launching by far the most negative and misleading attacks in this campaign, by FAR!! So who is really the candidate that represents a change in Washington in 2008? HIllary or McCain? I think the answer is simple; while McCain is ALSO the clear cut more experienced candidate as well.
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by magnetrack March 22, 2008 9:37 PM PDT
Walter Cronkite is probably devastatingly ashamed of what CBS has become...
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by redhotpapasa March 22, 2008 11:36 PM PDT
At last, you are beginning to pay attention to her lack of veracity! Is it too late? When she begin to lose, she added "dirty politics" to her lies.

Is that what the citizens of Pa want????????? I doubt those who vote for her read papers. No offense intended.

Autumn Ozog
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by hbevis March 22, 2008 11:46 PM PDT
At last, you are beginning to pay attention to her lack of veracity! Is it too late? When she begin to lose, she added "dirty politics" to her lies.

Is that what the citizens of Pa want????????? I doubt those who vote for her read papers. No offense intended.

Autumn Ozog


Posted by redhotpapasa at 11:36 PM : Mar 22, 2008
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I AM GLAD THAT YOU SEE THIS LIKE OF ABILITY. CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, BUT I THOUGHT SHE ONLY KNEW DIRTY POLITICS...:)

YOU KNOW OBAMA MAY NOT BE ANY BETTER THAN SHE IS BUT AT LEAST WE KNOW HER FOR WHAT SHE IS.
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by vet_sk March 23, 2008 2:29 AM PDT
That is the problem with Hillary that we have known since she started running: she will do or say anything to win.

Her records released under FOIA this week shows the real Hillary. The lies about NAFTA, her international experience wooign first ladies for tea, and then the Kosovo lie about having to dodge bullets on the tarmac. Well, if that is the case Hillary, how could you give a speech on the tarmac with kids and Cheryl Crow by your side while the bullets were flying by? Please answer Hillary or her supporters.

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by hypnotoad72 March 23, 2008 7:50 AM PDT
It isn''''''''t just her credibility on trade issues. She lost all credibility months ago when ********meetwealthyboomer.com********she started her "kitchen sink" / "win at all costs" strategies a few months ago

Posted by bikinigirl2
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Who is this fancy meetwealthyboomer person, and why would I want to do it with a sugar-mommy?!
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by gkc99 March 23, 2008 11:16 AM PDT
"And finally do we really want to, as Americans, vote for a Party that can''''t even nominate a candidate for Prez. And vote for the Party that now controls our 110th Do-Nothing Democrat Congress with the lowest approval ratings in the history of Congress???
Can we?"--Posted by perceptions5



Yes, when the choice is to vote for a party that sucked the US into a needless war, based on lies promulgated by the Repug president, with 6 years of a lickspittle lackey Repug Congress that never once objected to the Repug President paying a trillion dollars for this war on a credit card, with corrupt no-bid contracts and kickbacks. A party that claims to stand for freedom but guts the Constitution. A party that inherited a budget surplus but has never run a surplus since, adding over 50% to the national debt in 7 years.

A party, the Repug party, now better termed the U.S. Fascist party, that has spat on every value it claimed it held, except perhaps pandering to religious fanatics of the extreme right with their Armageddon fantasies.

The Republican party--the party of lies, favors, and failure.

Time for a change. Either Clinton or Obama would be head and shoulders above the Repub midgets.
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by coco0331 March 23, 2008 11:36 AM PDT
The Nafta plan was handed down by the previous president. President Clinton out of political courtesy and trust continued the plan on Bush''s instruction. with restriction on truck traffic out of Mexico. Hillary and Bill probably didn''t like the plan, President Clinton didn''t realize Bush Sr. was a sore loser and a tyrant, And Nafta was a plan to hinder and destroy his presidency for the advances of the republican hidden agenda. Nafta was a Bush plan, and the real lose came under a Bush.
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by destardi March 23, 2008 1:06 PM PDT
Oh PLEASE.

5 meetings over..EIGHT YEARS? How is she supposed to support OR BE AGAINST something if she doesn''t know what it is?

Nation...you''re alienating millions of true blue Dems.

you reap what you sow

And FYI, the notes in the 11,000 page records are JUST SCHEDULES, no details are provided.

Nice being swiftboated by a "progressive" publication.

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by gkc99 March 23, 2008 1:31 PM PDT
"How is she supposed to support OR BE AGAINST something if she doesn''''t know what it is?
Nation...you''''re alienating millions of true blue Dems."--Posted by Destardi1


Wait a minute! She never said she didn''t know what it was. She said she knew what it was and opposed it.

Big difference.

Especially when the Clinton''s are among Big Capital''s most ardent supporters of international oppression of labor.

Maybe Hillary learned that at "The Fellowship", the ultra-right wing secret society she belongs to.
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by maxperfectforce March 23, 2008 1:58 PM PDT
Nice article. The truth laid out. The only people that would dispute such facts are Clinton supporters. The Clintons will say and do anything to get elected so it is no surprise that their supporters have no problems rationalizing, justifying, spinning and deceiving.

What is a surprise is the state that has borne the ill-effects of NAFTA would not hold her accountable.
How is your economy doing Ohio? The Clintons do not care about how Americans make a living. The corporations want NAFTA, outsourcing, and H-1B''s. You can count on Hillary NOT to stand up for the American worker.
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by March 23, 2008 3:26 PM PDT
Hillary probably attended many meetings as First Lady and in playing that roll, she had to appear acquiescent to whatever Pres. Clinton wanted. Just because she attended the meetings doesn''t mean she approved of the plans.
I resent the egregious language in this article...It is over the top and divisive...a biased piece of claptrap!
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by omega39-2009 March 23, 2008 3:49 PM PDT
Big Surprise....Hillary is in a leadership position on the DLC and their policy, right from their website states:

Support pro-poor trade reform. U.S. tariffs, far higher on clothes and shoes than on any other products, are the most regressive part of American tax policy. Failing to save jobs, they nonetheless raise the price of life necessities for single mothers and other low-income American families, while imposing a heavy burden on poor countries. Congressional leaders should resist the temptation to promote anti-trade policies that neither benefits Americans nor less developed countries.
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by maxperfectforce March 23, 2008 3:52 PM PDT

Hillary Clinton
"I also want to reaffirm my commitment to the H-1B visa program and to increase the current cap. Foreign skilled workers contribute greatly to our technological development. That is well understood in Silicon Valley."

Obviously she is not concerned if American high tech workers can find work. And as this article calls out, she is not concerned with American manufacturing workers. What I resent is people like sesanders1 lack of concern for the American worker, American families, and their ever decreasing chance to grasp the American dream.
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by dudzim March 23, 2008 6:20 PM PDT
This issue merits much broader media coverage and on-going discussion.


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by stn_sage March 23, 2008 6:39 PM PDT
If it weren''t so tragic, it''d be comical!

That is, the blind support of HRC supporters. That aspect of HRC, her pro-NAFTA support---at least---has been ''vetted'' and thoroughly substantiated! I don''t know why her supporters have such a difficult time believing this!

Hey, she sat on the board of Wal-Mart for years, all the while, THOUSANDS of women were being discriminated against, underpaid and underpromoted.
She didn''t lift a finger to help! More real evidence about how she supports women in the workplace and labor in general!

You pro-worker, pro-labor, pro-family people in Ohio who voted for Clinton, you''re all SUCKERS! You wasted your vote! She doesn''t care about you people! Open your EYES, for Jimini''s sake! You people in Pennsylvania, you''re NEXT! It''s up to you!
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by serrano338 March 23, 2008 7:15 PM PDT
You know I just don''t get the nasty hateful tone and viciousness of this article. It must be paid for by the Obama campaign or the writer is crashing from drinking the kool-aid for all these weeks. While it may be true that Senator Clinton''s position on NAFTA now is different from when she was first lady but this article is leaving out some other essential facts about what Clinton has said about NAFTA. She fell in line on NAFTA after the president decided to promote it, but she also voiced some concerns about NAFTA, way before this election.

NOW, to call her a L I A R and not call Obama out on his lies is just plain and simple a double standard. Obama contradicted or L I E D about his knowing about the racist comments at his church and then in his speech says he knew. His lie is unforgiveable because unlike NAFTA he actively participated for 20 years, exposing his children, getting married, baptised and blessed by Rev. Wright in the church that awarded Farakahn only recently.

SO, be fair, tell the lies you want, but tell the lies of both candidates not only one, raising Obama up as some kind of saint when he is also a L I A R.

Please this kind of reporting just disgusts me and shows that people are the ones who need to change, a president is not going to change hateful reporting and hateful people, no matter what their beliefs about the candidates are.
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by serrano338 March 23, 2008 7:24 PM PDT
Whoever wrote that Senator Clinton does not care about you...Are you implying that Obama cares about you? Well if you think that, you''d better look at the real picture. Obama only cares about gaining power and giving nice speeches. If Obama really cared about YOU, he would take your questions, without a prepared statement to fall back on. But he can''t do that, because he knows the first person would ask the question that he does not want or cannot answer. So go ahead spew hatred and tear Hillary Clinton down, feels real good doesn''t it. Guess that feeling is what it''s like to support a real truth twister like Obama. You''re the one who needs to open your eyes. Obama isn''t the wonderful saint you are holding him up to be. At least I''m not expecting Hillary to walk on water and feed the multitudes with a loaf of bread and a fish.
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by stn_sage March 23, 2008 7:33 PM PDT
NOW, to call her a L I A R and not call Obama out on his lies is just plain and simple a double standard
Posted by Serrano338 at 07:15 PM : Mar 23, 2008

Sir, I would point out to you that---for a change, but probably to counterbalance the dozens of negative articles on Mr.Obama this past week---THIS article was written to expose a shortcoming of Hillary Clinton!

I sense that it''s very emotionally satisfying to Clinton supporters that ALL articles be about Obama AND critical of him, but that is hardly fair, sir and doesn''t lend itself to balanced reporting!

Please except this one article, learn from it, and consider it! If you really believe in your candidate of choice, it won''t undermine that belief, so what''s the problem?! If it does, maybe you haven''t really decided yet! HUH?
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by it_oldtimer March 23, 2008 7:37 PM PDT
Hillary, Hillary, Hillary...you really need to get some guts and actually try to stand for something - CONSISTENTLY - you can''t just keep flip-flopping and disowning/denying all your past positions like this. It''s really starting to become apparent that you''d literally do or say anything, just to get elected.

Where''s some sign that you possess an enduring "courage of your own convictions"? Do you really even HAVE any convictions? Any that you won''t deny in a heartbeat if you see some political gain in doing so?

You really make me wonder about those questions...
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by stn_sage March 23, 2008 7:54 PM PDT
Do you really even HAVE any convictions? Any that you won''''t deny in a heartbeat if you see some political gain in doing so?
You really make me wonder about those questions...
Posted by IT_Oldtimer at 07:37 PM : Mar 23, 2008

My response: You have hit the nail on the head, sir! THIS may be the core question of Hillary Clinton''s political identity!

Events seem to suggest that she does not have any unulterable convictions!

For those who are not ready supporters, this is exactly what they are wondering! :)
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by maxperfectforce March 23, 2008 8:38 PM PDT
Hey Serrano338,
I don''t think Clinton cares about me having a job and I also do not think Obama cares either. So why bring it up you may ask? I think politicians should be held accountable for their actions and positions. Clinton was/is for NAFTA and is for increasing the cap on H-1Bs, let the truth see light. Likewise, Obama is also for NAFTA and increasing the cap on H-1Bs. They do not care and it should be known that they are for giving American jobs to foreigners. They stand for less opportunity for you, me and our children. NAFTA, outsourcing, and H-1Bs are an ongoing assault of the American worker by corporations who have acquired self-serving governmental influence at the expense of the American worker and American families.
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by notopennshut March 23, 2008 8:53 PM PDT
We have always known how big liars the Clintons are. They will do and say anything in order to win, so this should come at no surprise. Now what will all those workers of OH and PA think of this liar who claims to be for them in rejecting NAFTA, and the truth is that she was one of the strongest advocate. She has helped caused the loss of jobs and other unfair practices. All you workers, look before you leap. You are only supporting the one who has been part of the cause of all of you losing jobs, homes and livelihood. McCain helped Airbus to win jobs that would have helped Boeing create many of them here in the US. So you can see that both Hillary and McCain will bring further losses in jobs to all of us. You can vote with your heart for either one of them, but you may end up having nothing going in you life either.
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by dav_j March 23, 2008 9:08 PM PDT
HILLARY CLINTONS LIES


CBS: NAFTA Lie
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/20/opinion/main3955120.shtml

WASHINGTON POST: Bosnia Lie
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/03/hillarys_balkan_adventures_par.html

LONDON TELEGRAPH: Ireland ''Silly'' Lie
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/13/whillary113.xml

HILLARYS TUTOR: The Lecher
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IpsGryBxyEY
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by dav_j March 23, 2008 9:11 PM PDT
HILLARY CLINTONS LIES


CBS: NAFTA Lie

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/20/opinion/main3955120.shtml

WASHINGTON POST: Bosnia Lie

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/03/hillarys_balkan_adventures_par.html

LONDON TELEGRAPH: Ireland ''Silly'' Lie

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/13/whillary113.xml

HILLARYS TUTOR: The Lecher

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IpsGryBxyEY
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by aidan2nd March 23, 2008 9:59 PM PDT
Serrano338:

You CAN''T defend the truth about Hillary ''s lies. So what do you do? You bring Obama into the picture!

But thank you nonetheless for acknowledging that Hillary is a "L-I-A-R".
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by mabs0 March 24, 2008 3:54 AM PDT
When will the mainstream media run a story about Hillary''s Bosnia trip lie? It''s not like the video showing she lied has not been viewed by over a quarter million people on YouTube or anything?

The silence is deafening and people are beginning to wonder...
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by guysdigdirt March 24, 2008 2:13 PM PDT
Who thinks it is news that a clinton is a liar?
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by jockh March 25, 2008 7:55 AM PDT
PEOPLE WITH NOTHING TO HIDE DONT USUALLY HIDE !!

Why wont Hillary release her tax returns? If Hillary can loan 5 million dollars to her campaign then surely the voters have a right to know the source of her funding.

The main excuse we''ve gotten so far is that Hillary Clinton just has too much on her plate. "I''m a little busy right now," she said during the Ohio debate. "I hardly have time to sleep. But I will certainly work toward releasing, and we will get that done and in the public domain."
That was three weeks ago. Two weeks ago, Howard Wolfson promised the returns would be released "on or around April 15." But weren''t the returns completed and filed a long time ago? Doesn''t Clinton''s accountant have time to print them out and make some copies (note to Clinton''s accountant: many Kinko''s are open 24 hours).

In short, it''s well past time for Hillary Clinton to be as "vetted" as she claims to already be -- and to have this vetting done now by Democratic voters rather than later by GOP hit squads. She needs to live up to the standard she laid out for Rick Lazio, the opponent in her 2000 Senate race. At that time, she hypocritically said it was "FRANKLY DISTURBING" that Lazio was holding back on releasing his tax returns and she even sent a staffer dressed as Uncle Sam to taunt him during campaign stops.

What a difference eight years -- and tens of millions of dollars (some of them from questionable Arab deals) -- can make.
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by ryindy March 25, 2008 11:41 AM PDT
What is this article trying to say?
Hillary is a liar?
Hey we knew that.

Hillary is Pro-NAFTA?
Hey we knew that too.

So where is the news in this?
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