Suicides Seen Among Vets Treated By VA

CBS News: VA Patient Data Reveals Growing Number Of Suicide Attempts By Veterans

(CBS)  There's new information about the risk of suicide for those who have served in the military. Last November, CBS News broke the story of the overwhelming number of veteran suicides nationwide. Now, Chief Investigative Correspondent Armen Keteyian has discovered veterans who get help from the VA are also at risk.

"When you go through war, you're going to change permanently and totally for the rest of your life," said veteran Harold Pendergrass.

Pendergrass knows firsthand the hidden wounds of war. He served two tours in Vietnam.

"I carried a suicide note in my pocket for years," he said.

At 57, the former Army soldier has tried to take his own life three times, constantly wrestling with thoughts of killing himself.

"I sat around numerous times with a .44 in my mouth," he said. "But for some reason, I just couldn't pull the trigger. I don't know why."

Now, CBS News has obtained never-before seen patient data from the Department of Veterans Affairs, detailing the growing number of suicide attempts among vets recently treated by the VA.

The data reveals a marked overall increase - from 462 attempts in 2000 to 790 in 2007.

"This is highly statistically significant," said Dr. Bruce Levin, head of the biostatistics department at Columbia University. Levin is one of three experts who analyzed the data for CBS News.

"I'd characterize it as something that deserves further attention," Levin said. "Overall the data suggests about a 44 percent increase and that is not due to chance."

According to the experts, two age groups stood out between 2000 and 2007. First, ages 20-24 - those likely to have served during the Iraq-Afghan wars. Suicide attempts rose from 11 to 47.

And for vets ages 55 to 59, suicide attempts jumped from 19 to 117.

In both age groups, the attempted suicides grew at a rate much faster than the VA patient population as a whole.

In addition, this VA study, also obtained exclusively by CBS News, reveals the increasing number of veterans who recently received VA services ... and still succeeded in committing suicide: rising from 1,403 suicides in 2001 to 1,784 in 2005 - figures the VA has never made public.

Rep. Bob Filner is chairman of the House Committee on Veterans Affairs. He's been critical of the VA's unwillingness to provide a full accounting of veteran suicides.

"These are incredible figures," he said.

"Does it surprise you that a study like that even exists?" Keteyian asked.

"Well, given the fact that we keep asking for data and they say, 'we don't have any,' yes, it surprises me," Filner said.

It angers Filner. "If we can't get the correct information, we can't do our job. We can't prevent every suicide but you can prevent a whole lot of them and it's our duty as a nation to do that."

The VA declined to speak on-camera about this story, but in an e-mail, said it "takes the issue of veteran suicide very seriously" and "has been doing a thorough data investigation to document the number of patient suicide attempts…"

It insists the patient suicides are "...consistent with national trends," despite recent studies that show veteran suicide rates are substantially higher than those of non-veterans.

But Harold Pendergrass worries the VA remains ill-prepared to handle the next generation of veterans who will be fighting the horrors of war … for decades to come.

"If what the VA is doing is not working then they need to change tactics," Pendergrass said. "They need to listen to these guys and listen not only with their ears but also with their hearts."

[vrghiks]

Could it be in their medication?This should be investigated!

[Chrisa444]

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[BruceD13]

The largest suicide group was the Vietnam veteran age group.

Why?

Posted by donbl1 at 12:40 PM : Mar 21, 2008

My take on it:

Vietnam was a more intense dirtier conflict.

The average age of the troops was younger - many 18, 19 year olds, even 17-year olds before ''68.

The nation was more divided. Many disparaged the troops.

Vietnam vets are reaching the age of seniority when depression sets in, late middle age crisis. Psychological problems compound and reach final result.

Kids grow up and can handle parents suicide, not as traumatic as when kids are young. Older vet can commit suicide with less trauma to kids.

Parents die and don''t have to live their final years with grief of loss of (even adult) child. Older vet can commit suicide with no grief to deceased parents.

Spouses die or are divorced. Older vet can commit suicide with no grief to deceased (or divorced) spouse, or will commit suicide due to loss of spouse.

Just some thoughts.

[forthepeopl1]

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[vet999999]

It is not enough to try to prevent suicides, we ought to address the motivation for wanting to die after being a soldier. Let''''s get to the root of the problem rather than band-aid over it.

Posted by random_radar at 01:37 PM : Mar 21, 2008
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You are correct. But we must start by changing our own behavior. We I came back, 24hrs a day there was nothing but we are muderers, criminals, baby killers and I felt like c/r/a/p about just staying alive. This reinforces your own distain for having to do the things necessary to just stay alive. These people need to understand that we accept that they did what they had to do. That will go a long ways to helping them.

[random_radar]

The public doesn''t know why vets want to commit suicide. The government could do a survey and tell us, but they don''t want to.

We can hypothesize all we want about the causes for vet suicide, but the only people who can answer that question are the ones who want to commit suicide.

It is not enough to try to prevent suicides, we ought to address the motivation for wanting to die after being a soldier. Let''s get to the root of the problem rather than band-aid over it.

[vet999999]

"Monday morning quarterback" every decision our public servants make in our name, esp when it comes to something as serious as war.

Posted by SgtRDS at 01:14 PM : Mar 21, 2008
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You have changed your position and this one I agree with. Stop slaming the troops. They are not wasting their time, they are not criminals. They are the best of this country. I have NO issue with you yelling at your representatives, that is their job but we have to stop railing on our troops to get at the reps....

[sgtrds]

There is no place for monday morning quaterbacking when it comes to war.

Posted by vet999999 at 12:58 PM : Mar 21, 2008

Again I disagree. As a citizens it is our duty, our obligation, to always "Monday morning quarterback" every decision our public servants make in our name, esp when it comes to something as serious as war. We must hold their feet to the fire constantly and demand that they constantly justify anything as serious as our troops killing and dying.

[vet999999]

I disagree. Facing the truth always helps.

Posted by SgtRDS at 12:50 PM : Mar 21, 2008
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Well, then you and I are either looking at 2 different sets of truths or we don''t agree on what the truth is. If you have a problem with the policy, take it up with the policy makers and leave the troops out of it. There is no place for monday morning quaterbacking when it comes to war.

[sgtrds]

People faced with very difficult situations have to make very difficult choices and this constant harping on how their efforts are worthless or they made criminal choices do not help.

Posted by vet999999 at 12:40 PM : Mar 21, 2008

I disagree. Facing the truth always helps.

[donbl1]

Both age groups (Iraq and Vietnam) saw huge jumps with the Vietnam group by far the largest.

Is it related to the medicine they are being given by the VA?

[vet999999]

Suicides climbing is no surprise given how unpopular this war is. Soldiers get depressed when they realize that they''''''''re being sent to fight for nothing more then the profit of a few already rich people and nothing else. The realization that this war has nothing to do with defending America or fighting for freedom or stopping terrorism, but was started just to make money would depress anyone.

Posted by SgtRDS at 12:17 PM : Mar 21, 2008
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You are entitled to your opinion, but how is this helping the returning vets? Don''t they feel bad enough already? People faced with very difficult situations have to make very difficult choices and this constant harping on how their efforts are worthless or they made criminal choices do not help.

[donbl1]

The largest suicide group was the Vietnam veteran age group.

Why?

[naucoming4u]

Suicides climbing is no surprise given how unpopular this war is. Soldiers get depressed when they realize that they''''re being sent to fight for nothing more then the profit of a few already rich people and nothing else. The realization that this war has nothing to do with defending America or fighting for freedom or stopping terrorism, but was started just to make money would depress anyone.

Posted by SgtRDS at 12:17 PM : Mar 21, 2008
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Very well said Sarge. I couldn''t agree more.

[vet999999]

I wonder, and this is a serious question, how much of the doubt, guilt etc that a veteran bears when he/she returns is created or elevated by the garbage the press puts out? THis war, and Vietnam, the press is painting our troops as war criminals and I cannot help but think this makes it harder on the people trying to transisition from a very trusting environment to this cut throat society.

[sgtrds]

Suicides climbing is no surprise given how unpopular this war is. Soldiers get depressed when they realize that they''re being sent to fight for nothing more then the profit of a few already rich people and nothing else. The realization that this war has nothing to do with defending America or fighting for freedom or stopping terrorism, but was started just to make money would depress anyone.

[vet999999]

"The data reveals a marked overall increase - from 462 attempts in 2000 to 790 in 2007."

Wonder what rocket scientist was impressed with these number...prior to 2000 we were not at war...coulda had someting to do with it...ya think? Way to go CBS. We would be better served if the conversation was about how to transition people back to this back stabbing civilian life...that is the real issue.

[sgtrds]

namesnames

that a Lie

I have been in the VA system for 30 years

it was gutted by BUSH to pay for his war

it worked fine until some'''' heck of a job'''' bushie

took over

Posted by joyous88 at 11:08 AM : Mar 21, 2008

I agree. I''ve always had good service at the VA (granted I only used them a few times) and so have most of the vets I know, until the last few years. The idea that the VA has always been scr*ewed up makes for some good movies, but it''s a myth.

[hotpaulie]

King George is a war criminal and should be treated as one. Waterboarding is not out of the question.
God bless all you veterans, and don''t be afraid to ask for help if you need it. You are not alone.

[randynason]

Maybe it''s because the administration hasn''t cared to address the PTS situation adequately. I keep tellin'' ya, we need to get WAR CRIMES on the Congressional agenda. What the people have allowed to go on for five years now is illegal and immoral and the administration needs to be held accountable.