December 3, 2010 1:17 PM

Did The Manson Family Have Other Victims?

(AP)  Bone-white stretches of salt, leached up from the lifeless soil, lay like a shroud over the high desert where a paranoid Charles Manson holed up after an orgy of murder nearly four decades ago.

Now, as then, few venture into this alkaline wilderness - gold-diggers, outlaws, loners content to live and let live.

But a determined group of outsiders recently made the trek. They were leading forensic investigators searching for new evidence of death - clues pointing to possible decades-old clandestine graves.

And the results of just-completed followup tests suggest bodies could indeed be lying beneath the parched ground. The test findings - described in detail to The Associated Press, which had accompanied the site search - conclude there are two likely clandestine grave sites at Barker Ranch, and one additional site that merits further investigation.

Next step, the ad hoc investigators urge: Dig.

For years, rumors have swirled about other possible Manson family victims - hitchhikers who visited them at the ranch and were not seen again, runaways who drifted into the camp then fell out of favor.

The same jailhouse confessions that helped investigators initially connect the band of misfits living in the Panamint Mountains to the gruesome killings that terrorized Los Angeles hinted at other deaths. Manson follower Susan Atkins boasted to her cell mate on November 1, 1969, that there were "three people out in the desert that they done in." Other stories surfaced. In the absence of bodies, they were forgotten.

"We prosecuted Manson and the family for all the murders we could prove. But you know, could he have killed someone else? Possibly. Could another member of the family have killed someone? Sure," said Steve Kay, a former deputy district attorney.

Last month, equipped with cutting-edge forensic technology, the investigators assembled in the ghost town of Ballarat for a 20-mile ride in all-terrain vehicles to the ranch.

The team included two national lab researchers carrying instruments to detect chemical markers of human decomposition, a police investigator with a cadaver-seeking dog, and an anthropologist armed with a magnetic resonance reader.

Also in the group were a woman whose life was forever marked by the cult's brutal murder of her pregnant sister, and a gold prospector who was once Manson's closest neighbor and remains intimate with the sharp creases of the Panamints.

Prospector Emmett Harder guided the expedition.

He had a claim on Manley peak, one of the jagged points looming over Barker Ranch, while the Manson family camped out there in the late 1960s. He shared dinner with the band at times, and gave the men work.

During one of these visits he heard Manson say, "We're not hippies, we're here to get away from the troubles of the world."

Later, Harder would learn more about the cult leader's belief that the end of the world, which he called "Helter Skelter," was near - and Manson's conviction that through murder, he had a role to play in accelerating that chaotic time.

For the last 5 miles of the rugged gravel road from Ballarat, the route tilts sharply upward as it enters narrow Goler Wash.

"The family's plan was to make this impassable - you can see how you could do that here," said Sgt. Paul Dostie, a police detective and dog handler from the town of Mammoth Lakes, pointing to the boulders that protrude like bones from the canyon walls. Any of them could be rolled into the wash, blocking passage.

Barker Ranch was one of several hide-outs used by Manson and his followers.

The killings that launched the cult onto national newspapers had been orchestrated from Spahn Ranch, a former Western movie set that served as backdrop to episodes of "Bonanza" and "The Lone Ranger."

It was to Spahn that the killers initially retreated after the 1969 murders of Gary Hinman on July 31; Sharon Tate, Jay Sebring, Voytek Frykowski, Abigail Folger and Steven Parent on August 9; Leno and Rosemary LaBianca on August 10.

This was to signal the start of the apocalyptic race war that Manson told his followers would pit blacks against whites. He preached that they would emerge from the desert at the end and rule over the survivors.

But a daybreak raid on Spahn Ranch on August 16 by Los Angeles sheriff's deputies looking for car thieves netted 26 arrests. All were released a few days later on a technicality - a misdated warrant - but Spahn was no longer safe.

Barker Ranch was where Manson withdrew in those last, frenzied days.

Retracing his steps nearly four decades later, the search group stopped at the dilapidated house. From the porch, the view was clear for miles, broken only by the long twisted stems of creosote bushes and knee-high bunches of desert rabbitbrush.

"After the murder, my mom became a shell of herself," said Debra Tate, who was 17 when her sister, actress Sharon Tate, was killed. Her younger sister Patti was 11. "I filled in at home, as best I could."

Debra Tate's mother, Doris Tate, emerged from years of depression when she heard that a Manson family member was seeking parole.

She gathered 350,000 signatures, helping keep the murderer in prison. She also lobbied successfully to change state law to ensure the rights of victims' family members to make statements during sentencing and parole hearings.

Doris Tate died in 1992. Her youngest daughter Patti followed in 2000. Now Debra Tate, 10 years younger than the glamorous, doe-eyed Sharon, whom she grew up admiring, attends the parole hearings alone.

"My mother specifically asked me to carry on," she said, adding, "It's my life."



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by zootallures2 March 18, 2008 2:18 PM EDT
Yea, they are from the four women Geraldo knocked up and needed to get rid of.
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by avigil2 March 17, 2008 9:04 PM EDT
I wish some of you morons would stick to the story at hand and make comments pertaining to the story. Sheesh people, get a grip and quit your preaching, and leave politics out of it.
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by dylanxxv March 17, 2008 8:18 PM EDT
DylanXXV -- The water I grew up drinkng in Georgia was always floridated and I''''m past 50. I do not know if other states required it during the late 50''''s and early 60''''s but apparently Georgia did.

Posted by oldpilot954 at 04:05 PM : Mar 17, 2008

Thanks...
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by knyghtwolf March 17, 2008 7:42 PM EDT
These "commandments" are shredded DAILY by our leaders of today and you, that condemn others are the biggest hypocrites of them all!!! Which god are we talking about here? Which faith is the true one, the ONLY one, the loudest one, the FAKEST one? We read this EVERY SINGLE day, comment on, jeering about and condescending to groveling masses huddled at their feet. These are not the commandments, they are the REASONS people like bush, cheney, hussein, pitlin, have all got JOBS!!!! Get a life and get over it. Quit supporting the dammn circus by feeding the monkeys and clowns while your families go hungry.
1.You shall have no other gods but me!
2.You shall not make unto you any graven images!
3.You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain!
4.You shall remember the Sabbath and keep it holy!
5.Honor your mother and father!
6.You shall not murder!
7.You shall not commit adultery!
8.You shall not steal!
9.You shall not bear false witness!
10.Thou shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor.
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by oldpilot954 March 17, 2008 7:05 PM EDT
DylanXXV -- The water I grew up drinkng in Georgia was always floridated and I''m past 50. I do not know if other states required it during the late 50''s and early 60''s but apparently Georgia did.
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by noregion5 March 17, 2008 6:47 PM EDT
Always an alterior motive when this news is published. God rest the souls of these victims. God bless the Americans that must pay for this type of crud. I''d rather see the time and money helping cure the mentally ill instead of disrupting the dead. When holy war breaks out here the ones will be refered to as Manson type individuals for not taking the mark. Sounds harsh but believe it has and will happen.
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by avigil2 March 17, 2008 5:30 PM EDT
Ironically, I just finished reading "Sharon Tate and the Manson Murders" and watched "Helter Skelter", the TV movie from the 70''s and the awesome remake from 2004 (both available on Netflix), all this week. Next August 2009, will be the 40th Anniversary of the Tate/La Bianca murders. This brutal and gruesome crime still fascinates today. It''s too bad our tax money goes to keeping Manson and his followers in jail for life. A total waste of money. Yes, it''s true that they were all given the death penalty but then reverted to life sentences when the death penalty was abolished, but then reinacted, which unfortunately, couldn''t be applied to these killers. May the memories of Sharon Tate, Abigail Folger, Jay Sebring, Steven Parent, Wojciech Fykowski, Leno and Rosemary LiBianca live on. We will never forget you.
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by dylanxxv March 17, 2008 4:33 PM EDT
They are doing nothing more than trying to get rich on this story...BTW...I don''t think they were adding fluoride to drinking water 40 years ago...
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by william19491 March 17, 2008 4:20 PM EDT
jwind11 9:46----ha, you are right about mc (vet)?
thats funny!!
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by deemsnyd March 17, 2008 2:54 PM EDT
Why do we still spend thousands of tax payer''s money to keep this scum bag alive and protected?
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