WEST POINT, New York, March 16, 2008

5 Years On: Is Iraq War Only Half-Over?

3,988 Dead, More Than 60,000 Wounded, A Projected Cost Of $2 Trillion — What Is America's Continued Role?

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    Five years after the U.S. invaded Iraq, the war continues to bring death and destruction. Instability, high unemployment and scarce resources cast a shadow on the quality of life. Lara Logan reports.

  • An Iraqi volunteer civilian and a U.S. soldier of 3rd Brigade Combat team, 3rd Infantry Division are reflected on a mirror as they secure the area of a check point in the Al-leg area, about 40 miles south of Baghdad, IraqMarch 11, 2008. Iraqi volunteer civilians known as Sons of Iraq guard many check points in Iraq and provide security to their neighborhoods. Photo

    An Iraqi volunteer civilian and a U.S. soldier of 3rd Brigade Combat team, 3rd Infantry Division are reflected on a mirror as they secure the area of a check point in the Al-leg area, about 40 miles south of Baghdad, IraqMarch 11, 2008. Iraqi volunteer civilians known as Sons of Iraq guard many check points in Iraq and provide security to their neighborhoods.  (AP Photo/Petros Giannakouris)

(AP)  A father in the American heartland agonizes as his son prepares for a second tour in Iraq. Baghdad morgue workers wash bodies for burial after a suicide attack. Army cadets study the shifting tactics of Iraqi insurgents for a battle they will inherit.

Snapshots from a war at its fifth year. Each distinct, each a narrative in itself - gnawing fear, raw violence, youthful resolve. Yet all linked by a single question.

How much longer?

Most likely, the war will go on for years, say many commanders and military analysts. In fact, it's possible to consider this just the midpoint. The U.S. combat role in Iraq could have another half decade ahead - or maybe more, depending on the resilience of the insurgency and the U.S. political will to maintain the fight.

Iraq, experts say, is no longer a young war. Nor it is entering an endgame. It may still be in sturdy middle age.

"Four years, optimistically" before the Pentagon can begin a significant troop withdrawal from Iraq, predicted Eric Rosenbach, executive director of the Center for International Affairs at Harvard's Kennedy School, "and more like seven or eight years" until Iraqi forces can handle the bulk of their own security.

What that means depends largely on your vantage point.

For the Pentagon, it's about trying to build up a credible Iraqi security force while struggling to support its own troop levels in a military strained by nonstop warfare since 2001. During a trip through the Persian Gulf last year, Adm. William Fallon, then head of U.S. Central Command, was peppered with as many questions about resources as about strategies moving ahead.

For many Americans, it's about a rising toll - nearly 4,000 U.S. military deaths and more than 60,000 wounded - with no end in sight. Iraqis count their dead and injured in much higher figures - hundreds of thousands at least - and see entire neighborhoods changed by the millions who have fled for safer havens.

For others, it's about an ever-mounting loss of goodwill overseas: "We've squandered our good name," says 29-year-old Ryan Meehan, sitting in a St. Louis coffee shop.

You can also frame the war in terms of the cost to the treasury: $12 billion a month by some estimates, $500 billion all together, and the prospect of hundreds of billions more.

But then there's other measures of the war as it enters its sixth year.

These are more difficult to weigh - yet are just as real and profound - and are found in places such as Jim Durham's home in Evansville, Ind. He tries to fight off a sense of dread as he watches his 29-year-old son prepare for his second tour in Iraq with the Indiana National Guard.

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How much can Iraq endure? How much stamina do Americans have for a war with no end in sight? These questions were relevant years ago. They only grow more critical as the years go by.

Professor Ehsan Ahrari
Durham, 59, struggled to describe the emotions. He decided: "It's like watching somebody with a disease."

"Perhaps they can live, perhaps they can't," he said. "Maybe they'll survive. Maybe they won't. And there's nothing you can do about it."

Echoes of the same lament resounded at a Shiite funeral procession in Baghdad where mourners gathered their dead from the morgue - the bodies washed for burial according to Muslim custom - after bombings ravaged two pet markets last month. "We are helpless. Only God can help us," cried a group of women behind the shrouded corpses of several children.

"How much can Iraq endure? How much stamina do Americans have for a war with no end in sight?" said Ehsan Ahrari, a professor of international security at the Asia-Pacific Center for Security Studies in Honolulu. "These questions were relevant years ago. They only grow more critical as the years go by."

"War fatigue is real, first and foremost because of casualties," said Michael O'Hanlon, a foreign policy scholar at the Brookings Institution. "But Americans also know the stakes."

Some remain determined. Ahrari recalls seeing a couple at the Gulfport, Miss., airport saying goodbye to their son, clad in desert camouflage and heading for Iraq. He can't forget the mother's face: grim but stoic.

"She did not seem sure that her son was going to the right place to serve America," he wrote, "but that it was still a right thing to do."

But then there was the group of women on a bridge in New Smyrna Beach, Fla., holding "No to War" placards and being alternately cheered and jeered.

And Catherine Lunsford Hanley, 26, of Roanoke, Va., who is so worried about her husband in Iraq that she's suffering hair loss and insomnia. Thinking that the war will continue - and maybe force a second deployment for her husband - makes it even worse.

"It'll kill me if we have to go through this again," she said.

And Vietnam veteran Wilbur Taylor breaking down in tears at a VFW post in Evansville, Ind., as he thinks of the young soldiers in Iraq. "It's an endless battle," sobbed Taylor, 59.

He's not far wrong.

Already, the war has lasted longer than the U.S. fight in World War II and Korea. And if many experts are to be believed, the Iraq war will follow roughly a 10-year arc, ending only after a new crop of soldiers - some now barely into their teens - is on the battlefield.

Certainly, the Democratic candidates have called for a rapid and comprehensive withdrawal from Iraq. Hillary Rodham Clinton has said a serious troop withdrawal would begin "in the first 60 days" of her administration; Barack Obama has promised to have combat troops "out within 16 months."

But there are many doubts that Iraqi forces will be ready to take over so soon. "Can Iraq actually hold this together as we disappear?" a skeptical retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey asked last week, in an address in New York to mark the five-year war anniversary.

The idea that the Iraq war has only reached its midpoint is based on historical templates. Many military strategists cite a nine- to 10-year average for insurgencies, with expected drop-offs in recruitment and core strength after a decade.

But the models - analyzing battles from the British in Malaysia in the 1950s to the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 1980s - also show that each fight is unique. Kurdish rebels have been fighting in Turkey more than 20 years, and the FARC guerrillas have been active in Colombia since the 1960s.

The fragmented nature of the Iraq fighting - what's been called a "mosaic war" - also may add years to U.S. involvement. The different tactics needed for various regions create difficulties in training Iraqi forces and making decisive strikes against insurgents such as al Qaeda in Iraq.

At West Point, professor Brian Fishman is an expert in al Qaeda. He tells his cadets that Iraq war is now fundamentally "a collection of local wars" to preserve key local alliances with Iraqi groups and keep pressure on insurgents from regaining footholds.

"Iraq is a fight that, no doubt, is evolving," said Fishman after teaching his class for the Combating Terrorism Center at the U.S. Military Academy. "But when you talk about some kind of end for American troops, it's certainly in terms of years."

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by skyk-2009 March 16, 2008 11:29 AM EDT
Anyone who is fool enough to continue to fight a War that was based on NOTHING but pure LIES is a fool but one that would try to do so in THIS nation is outright insane. This nation is divided as never before and our people are in deep trouble here at home. Our roads are falling appart and our bridges are falling down. Somebody has got to get in power who can and will move us forward. We have removed the Dictator in Iraq, it''s up to those people to live as free people or live under a Religious Dictator. Staying there with our military trying to Force Feed them Democracy, especially when we lack in here, is beyond being a fool.
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by mythoughtsr March 16, 2008 11:37 AM EDT
America''s "role" is to get the h.e.l.l out, bring home ALL the men and women and "contractors" over there and end it. They are all bent on destroying everyone and everything around them like they have for thousands of years. Why do we have to witness it? It is shameful, the loss of American lives over there. For what? These men and women in the military believe they are dying for something and they aren''t unless you call a lie something. I do not for one minute diminish the incredible loss the families of those who have lost a loved one are feeling. They died doing their duty and with honor and dignity. However, the American public has LONG been fed up with this farce and the government (Bush) keeps saying we need to be there. Shame on them all.
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by joyous88 March 16, 2008 11:48 AM EDT
if we get McBushCain it''s only just begun

four more with McSane
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by jwind11 March 16, 2008 11:55 AM EDT
oh no an actual article about iraq to give loser libs skyk, joyous88 and usayesterday a forum to reiterate the same juvenile bashing they do everyday.
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by thee0racle March 16, 2008 12:01 PM EDT
Remember why we went there in the first place...all lies... We don''t like you. we are going to bomb your country and kill your leader. Also Remember: wounded doesn''t just mean took a bullet and now OK, it means things like no legs.
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by piercetheval March 16, 2008 12:07 PM EDT
...Half Over?...MISSION ACCOMPLISHIT! for a halfazzed president.
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by rafterman1 March 16, 2008 12:13 PM EDT
===a forum to reiterate the same juvenile bashing they do everyday.===
posted by jwind11

As you do. Like right now.
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by brianbwb-2009 March 16, 2008 12:17 PM EDT
3,988 Dead, More Than 60,000 Wounded, A Projected Cost Of $2 Trillion %u2014 What Is America''s Continued Role?

Dee-YAMMM, it is about time the press began to ask this question, and in light of the fact that we were lied to in the first place, the question still unasked by the press is when are we going to hold the guilty parties personally responsible?

Death, destruction, theft, kidnapping, torture, and treason. All as a result of lies by the current administration, and for no other real reason. The media was very effective in helping stir up the war fever against a non-existent enemy, now it is time the press atone for it''s part in this holocaust by helping expose those most directly responsible.
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by glossypan March 16, 2008 12:17 PM EDT

"I believe we will win an overwhelming victory in a way short period of time." .......John McCain Sept 09 2002 CNN
$ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $
Fact: The US occupation of Iraq costs $275,000,000 per DAY.
Borrowing that money from China And Saudi Arabia is a very real threat to our national security.
John McCain: %u201CThe issue of economics is not something I%u2019ve understood as well as I should.%u201D
$ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $
American troops in Iraq. How long?
"Make it a hundred years in Iraq and that would be fine with me"....... John McCain, Derry NH Town Hall Meeting Jan 03 2008
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by excoachken March 16, 2008 12:20 PM EDT
5 Years in Iraq: War only HALF over. The thought is TERRIFYING!!!!!!!!!
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by skyk-2009 March 16, 2008 12:21 PM EDT
oh no an actual article about iraq to give loser libs skyk, joyous88 and usayesterday a forum to reiterate the same juvenile bashing they do everyday.


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Posted by jwind11 at 08:55 AM : Mar 16, 2008
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Sir IF you have something to justify what has been or is being done in this situation PLEASE say it because I can assure you those troops who are dying are REAL and the TRILLIONS of dollars we''re spending of our kids future is REAL. Maybe to you sneaking in a country WE were told we were freeing is "Winning", but to a tired old Vietnam Vet it''s just plain LOSING!
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by gkc99 March 16, 2008 12:21 PM EDT
""Can Iraq actually hold this together as we disappear?" a skeptical retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey asked last week"

As long as the Neocon-scum control the U.S. government, there will be permanent war. If not Iraq, then Iran or someplace else. Because the Neocons get their power from war, their supporters make lots of money from war, and only war lets them suppress civil liberties and freedom at home and abroad. And cash for politically connected war profiteers, whatever the cost to the peasants, is what the people who control George Bushit like Howdy Doody are all about.

This has been the plan all along--permanent occupation of Iraq, permanent war in the Middle East, and permanent oppression at home with phony appointed president per curiam and oath-breaking government officers destroying the Bill of Rights.

Get ready for a LONG war!
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by samrensho March 16, 2008 12:25 PM EDT
The rip off contractors Bushie and Co. lined up at the feed trough are rejoicing. Only half over?? Boy, there are BILLIONS left to be made. I can hear the Republican band striking up "Happy Days Are Here Again". The Dumb-o-crats just keep switching finger between mouth and ******.
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by wshier1 March 16, 2008 12:30 PM EDT
The country cannot afford another 5 years of this war. The treasury is empty and the economy has been destroyed. We are spending all our money on armaments and not building civilian industry or taking care of our population with things like retirement benefits and health care. Our bucket has a hole in it and the water is running out and there is nothing coming in to replenish it.

In the process we are alienating the rest of world. Once respected as the land of decency and fair play, we are increasingly being seen as the perpetrators of Guantanamo and the Iraq invasion of regime change. The big question is, who is next. The hate and fear we are generating is creating a huge backlash around the world. As we are only five percent of the world%u2019s population, the odds are not in our favor.

This war is very bad for our country in many ways. We should change the direction we are headed.
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by creeper00 March 16, 2008 12:46 PM EDT
"What Is America''s Continued Role?"

Don''t be silly. America''s continued role is that of cash cow for Hallburton.
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by wdrussell1 March 16, 2008 12:47 PM EDT
Don''t tell insane McCain. He wants another hundred years of war.
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by baghdadshere March 16, 2008 12:56 PM EDT
"3,988 Dead, More Than 60,000 Wounded, A Projected Cost Of $2 Trillion %u2014 What Is America''s Continued Role?"

Only those jihadiots leftists BRAINWASHED-BY-DEMONCRATS-ANTIWAR-POLITICAL-PROPAGANDA-2-WIN-THE-ELECTIONS in the past 7 years dont see that this is not just about IRAQ. This war is about the entire middle east and even the world. Only those jihadiots left-wing dont see that theres a struggle between America and Iran. Iran is trying to control Iraq and the Persian Gulf and the US is trying to avoid it.
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by skyk-2009 March 16, 2008 12:59 PM EDT
Only those jihadiots leftists BRAINWASHED-BY-DEMONCRATS-ANTIWAR-POLITI
CAL-PROPAGANDA-2-WIN-THE-ELECTIONS in the past 7 years dont see that this is not just about IRAQ. This war is about the entire middle east and even the world. Only those jihadiots left-wing dont see that theres a struggle between America and Iran. Iran is trying to control Iraq and the Persian Gulf and the US is trying to avoid it.


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Posted by BaghdadsHere at 09:56 AM : Mar 16, 2008
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Now THAT is not what we were told and that certainly is NOT what the facts support. Maybe you can explain the 935 LIES told by the Bush Administration during the two years before the invasion. Maybe you can explain the LIES told by the Bush Administration to remove the inspectors BEFORE the invasion. Now our OWN pentagon says Al Queda had NO connections to Saddam and THEY were the ones who attacked us.. you know the bad guys who are in PAKISTAN?? I think you are just hung up of the fact that you can''t accept the truth. YOU were LIED to Sparky... get over it!! Geezzzz!!
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by excoachken March 16, 2008 1:02 PM EDT
Iraq reminds me of WW II. That is, the senseless and needless bombing of Dresden and the internment of innocent Japanese-American citizens, based upon rumor and suspicion.The rush to drop the A bombs in Japan so that Stalin would not be able to get involved there and stake a claim to some of the post war "ownership," is now matched by our baseless invasion and destruction of the infrastructure of Iraq. In addition, I am reminded of the Geneva Convention violations by Japan and Germany, Stalin''s brutality and spying of his own people and the thefts of National art treasures for personal gain, done by Goering in the name of the Third Reich. Yeah, it reminds me of WW II, but unfortunately, my country is the side doing all these awful things. The soldiers are being exploited by an administration whose motivations are personal gains of wealth and power. Shame on the cowardly Cowboy and his group of thugs. They have not only committed international crimes that will hurt our country for years but they have destroyed the basic faith in the American government for us and our former allies.
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by ljb6599 March 16, 2008 1:04 PM EDT
How about a draft so that all families can suffer through this disaster created by the worst president in U.S.history!!!This war has never been a shared sacrifice by anyone!!!
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by cbsblogger March 16, 2008 1:04 PM EDT
The rip off contractors Bushie and Co. lined up at the feed trough are rejoicing. Only half over?? Boy, there are BILLIONS left to be made. I can hear the Republican band striking up "Happy Days Are Here Again". The Dumb-o-crats just keep switching finger between mouth and ******.

Posted by samrensho at 09:25 AM : Mar 16, 2008
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SADLY.....no truer words were ever spoken.
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by Marie Zarankevich March 16, 2008 1:06 PM EDT
Why are we sending our young people to die in a battle that has been going on for 5,000 years? Do Iraqis need moving bodies for target practice? Even their own people won''t stay there now. Why? Long before the Western world became involved with them, battle was a daily part of their lifestyle. They raise their children to be warriors. They always have. Why are we impaling OUR children upon this particular pitchfork? No matter what WE co, THEY are not going to stop fighting. It''s a big part of their culture, and not anyone else''s fault. They don''t even care much who they''re fighting WITH. When they run out of westerners, they shoot at each other. THEY JUST LIKE TO FIGHT. Please, "GET" it and get our kids and people OUT of there. Thank you.
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by formrusmcsgt March 16, 2008 1:06 PM EDT
Iran is trying to control Iraq and the Persian Gulf and the US is trying to avoid it.

Posted by BaghdadsHere at 09:56 AM : Mar 16, 2008

And just who opened the door to Iraq for Iran?

The morons who took out Saddam and left the door off the hinges.

Pure stupidity.
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by cbsblogger March 16, 2008 1:06 PM EDT
We need a draft and Bush daughters need to be first on the "you''ve been drafted" list.
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by rowdytexan2 March 16, 2008 1:08 PM EDT
Only those jihadiots leftists BRAINWASHED-BY-DEMONCRATS-ANTIWAR-POLITI
CAL-PROPAGANDA-2-WIN-THE-ELECTIONS in the past 7 years dont see that this is not just about IRAQ. This war is about the entire middle east and even the world. Only those jihadiots left-wing dont see that theres a struggle between America and Iran. Iran is trying to control Iraq and the Persian Gulf and the US is trying to avoid it.


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Posted by BaghdadsHere at 09:56 AM : Mar 16, 2008

You''re a fool. Al Queda are not Islamic extremists. They are hired mercenaries, recruiting gullible people to commit atrocities.

Al Queda, is NOT Al Queda in Iraq. They are insurgents brought to Iraq when the puppet oil minister could not get the interim government to sign agreements to sign PSA agreements for their oil immediately.

Once the oil developers get their contracts there will be a total love-in with Al Queda, and they will most likely disappear. Going to the next place they are sent to create hate and havoc.
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by north1949 March 16, 2008 1:10 PM EDT
In May of 2007, Bush announced that he foresees a permanent US military presence in Iraq, much like maintaining a presence in Korea. In fact, his administration has entered into negotiations with the
present (US backed puppet) regime to come to an
agreement. These negotiations basically bypass the
need for further Congressional approval for continuing
the war in Iraq. Bush and his administration are doing this at the behest of Exxon, Shell, BP, and other major oil companies, insuring them of a permanent security force paid for by the US tax payers. After all, this war as at the behest of these
same companies, who became outraged in 2000 when
Saddam Hussein switched to Euros as his preferred
petro-currency. 4000 military, and hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties...for oil.
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by ljb6599 March 16, 2008 1:14 PM EDT
The silent enemy continues to grow while this country fiddles,CHINA!!!!
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by north1949 March 16, 2008 1:26 PM EDT
lbj6599, The powers-that-be in this country just love it when the populace is distracted away from their
actions with the perception that China is the enemy.
The real enemy is in the White House...lying, gutting
the Constitution, destroying the economy, and generating enmity with the rest of the world.
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by baghdadshere March 16, 2008 1:28 PM EDT
Now THAT is not what we were told and that certainly is NOT what the facts support. Maybe you can explain the 935 LIES told by the Bush Administration during the two years before the invasion. Maybe you can explain the LIES told by the Bush Administration to remove the inspectors BEFORE the invasion. Now our OWN pentagon says Al Queda had NO connections to Saddam and THEY were the ones who attacked us.. you know the bad guys who are in PAKISTAN?? I think you are just hung up of the fact that you can''''t accept the truth. YOU were LIED to Sparky... get over it!! Geezzzz!!

Posted by skyk at 09:59 AM : Mar 16, 2008

Keep living in your FANTASY ISLAND. One day you"ll wake up in GUANTANAMO ISLAND.
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by baghdadshere March 16, 2008 1:29 PM EDT
Posted by BaghdadsHere at 09:56 AM : Mar 16, 2008

You''''re a fool. Al Queda are not Islamic extremists. They are hired mercenaries, recruiting gullible people to commit atrocities.

Al Queda, is NOT Al Queda in Iraq. They are insurgents brought to Iraq when the puppet oil minister could not get the interim government to sign agreements to sign PSA agreements for their oil immediately.

Once the oil developers get their contracts there will be a total love-in with Al Queda, and they will most likely disappear. Going to the next place they are sent to create hate and havoc.

Posted by RowdyTexan2 at 10:08 AM :

Keep living in your FANTASY ISLAND. One day you"ll wake up in GUANTANAMO ISLAND.
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by Marie Zarankevich March 16, 2008 1:29 PM EDT
rowdy -- At least you make sense. What do YOU think would work? I mean besides really good security over HERE? mz
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by baghdadshere March 16, 2008 1:30 PM EDT
RowdyTexan2 and skyk,,,,Change you nickname to KowNothingAboutIraq&MiddleEast.
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by fibonacci_ March 16, 2008 1:41 PM EDT
skyk, you use capital letters almost like a Republican.
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by babooph March 16, 2008 1:45 PM EDT
A "complete victory",3 years ago would be a "Piric" one-now just the slow rotting death of the US middle class. Unlike the rich with many years of massive tax cuts,the dividends of which will cover their war costs forever,the suckered middle class will pay for many years,all the time with a lower real salary.Death by a thousand cuts.Only a super powered propaganda system could have sold that trash.
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by formrusmcsgt March 16, 2008 1:46 PM EDT
Keep living in your FANTASY ISLAND. One day you"ll wake up in GUANTANAMO ISLAND.

Posted by BaghdadsHere at 10:28 AM : Mar 16, 2008

There is no such place as Guantanamo Island.....
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by Marie Zarankevich March 16, 2008 1:48 PM EDT
Veteran71 -- I see your point. I''m just waiting until the weekly test on cable is no longer a test before I panic. With so many dedicated rich people working together, what could we have done, anyway? BTW, which world are they taking their wealth to when this one dies? Do you know?
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by ljb6599 March 16, 2008 1:58 PM EDT
North1949....I agree with your comments about the White House, but I still believe CHINA is the silent enemy.They have already made advances into our economy and that is just the first step.
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by prinzowhales March 16, 2008 2:06 PM EDT
The dumb animals of America who continue to support the Demopublican Regime''s mad enterprise should be no surprise to the world...most Americans can''t find Iraq on a map...considerable percentages think that the sun rotates around the earth...

Amazingly, this trash also has the upmost contempt for Arabs in general and Iraqis in particular and with the logic that only the sick and twisted can bring to bear think that we are owed a debt of thanks by Iraqis for murdering over a million of them, creating millions of refugees and destroying their civilian infrastructure.

In a few short months, dumb-as-dirt Americans will be electing a new Demopublican War Pig to fill the shoes of their beloved Fearless Leader...I am looking forward to this...I am looking forward to the coming draft...and, I am looking forward to seeing the dazed visages of the Demopublican faithful when they at last raise their snouts from an empty trough in time to see their young heading for the charnel house of war and debt for the sake of Oil, Israel, the Dollar and Opium...Enjoy!
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by milton07722 March 16, 2008 2:18 PM EDT
The ONLY candidate that promises to end the war and bring our troops home has been erased from the American consciousness. His name is Ron Paul. He would end the madness of 935 lies that is still believed and perpetuated ad infintum ad nauseum. He would end the war machine that daily grinds up American soldiers and spits them out. He would end the abusive income tax that pays for all the carnage. He would end the imperialistic rule of America in lands where we have no business. Why won''t those who know wake up to the answer that was right in their faces? Because America WANTS to keep on fighting and so it does and will continue. Ron Paul was sent by God to end the war and America has rejected him for a man who wants to stay there for another 100 years.
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by rushlimpdrug March 16, 2008 2:19 PM EDT

We need a draft and Bush daughters need to be first on the "you''''ve been drafted" list.
Posted by cbsblogger at 10:06 AM :

I agree.

Unfortunately, they have boyfriends and marriage in the way.

It might help to draft a few of the kids whose parents are in congress.

Mitt has 6 boys and they''re all to good to go to Iraqu?
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by newz4i March 16, 2008 2:19 PM EDT
McCain is visiting diplomats in Iraq today.

Obama and Clinton look in the mirror today wondering what race and religion they are.

We''re in for four more years of Bush/McCain''s terrorizing the world with war.
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by mortok99 March 16, 2008 2:46 PM EDT
Iraq represents a significant evolutionary step in the role of our military. A transition from the conventional, front line style warfare, to the much more complicated urban and pacification style warfare. It also should demonstrate what the face of wars to come will look like. Objectiveless.. even appearing unsuccessful. But in actuality they''re a whole new way of fighting wars.
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by ceethomas March 16, 2008 2:49 PM EDT
Lockstepping jwind11 says: "oh no an actual article about iraq to give loser libs skyk, joyous88 and usayesterday a forum to reiterate the same juvenile bashing they do everyday."

Oh yes, how very juvenile. Imagine that, 4,000 U.S. military deaths, 60,000 wounded, millions of displaced innocent Iraqis, and thousands and thousands of dead innocent Iraqis, AND at a cost of $12 billion a month. So very childish? It is obvious you''re parents did not do a good job raising you. You are lacking core values if you view bashing of the 5 year invasion of Iraq to be juvenile.
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by downsteamjim March 16, 2008 2:50 PM EDT
Bush needs to apologize to all of you for getting rid of that wonderful humanitarian Saddam Hussien and the maverlously enlighten Taliban govenrment. But don''t feel too sad there are still dream regimes in North Korea, Zimbabwe, & Cuba.
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by neobrian-2009 March 16, 2008 2:54 PM EDT
Shrub RUINED our country!
NO PLANS for getting OUT
JUST saw " OIL ! OIL! OIL ! OIL ! OIL

Come listen to the story about a man named W
Poor Little Moron broke everything he touched
Then one day,his family bought him a country
Up from his brain sprang new ideas
He said " We`ll All be Billionaires "
Said " Iraq is ours to do as we please
And Halliburton , KBR brought our country to its knees
With No bid contracts,dead bodies and a sandy breeze
Next thing you know the Good ole USA is done
W sold it off and to Dubai he went on a song

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by dhamodot March 16, 2008 2:56 PM EDT
Unfortunately, US has very little knowledge of ancient middle eastern culture and the way of life. Bush just doesn''t understand Iraq & Iran. This stupid war is costing us more than billions WHILE WE HAVE HOMELESS PEOPLE even in Beverly Hills. Instead of caring for Americans who are hungry, sick and without shelter, eduction and job, we are thinking of Democracy in Iraq! It is a shame. Bush is a staburn Alcholic who may be sober but his warped (Injured, damaged) mind (thinking) gives her wrong info and he listens to them. Too many people have died because of his decisions.
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by dhamodot March 16, 2008 3:04 PM EDT
As an Iranian-American studing Iran''s regime, I assure you that Iranian regime wants Nukes and they will get it. This is a big threat to Israel. Time has gone too far and no country dares to attack them! Let''s face it, they got US, Israel and other countries by the balls.
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by mistered9 March 16, 2008 3:09 PM EDT
Who said the Iraq War is half over. I see it just beginning. Even NcCain says 100 years.
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by rowdytexan2 March 16, 2008 3:09 PM EDT
RowdyTexan2 and skyk,,,,Change your nicknames to KnowNothingAboutIraq&MiddleEast.


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Posted by BaghdadsHere at 10:34 AM : Mar 16, 2008

Blind sheep...baaa...baaa!
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by cdfoxtrot March 16, 2008 3:15 PM EDT
Two trillion dollars on the illegal war. I wonder what could have been accomplished with two trillion dollars.
A cure for cancer? Development of alternative energy sources that don''t destroy our planet? What a waste.
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