Michigan Democrats Working On Re-Vote Plan

Congresswoman Says Second Primary Would Be Held On June 3 And Funded Through Party Money

(AP)  A Michigan congresswoman said Friday that the state's Democrats are working on plans for a June 3 primary that would give them a say in the tight presidential nomination race between Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama.

Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick said the primary would be statewide and would be funded through party money. She is one of four Democrats who are not endorsing either candidate who are working together on a plan for a repeat primary.

Amid talks with both campaigns, the four Michigan Democrats said in a statement they were "focusing on the possibility of a state-run primary in early June which would not use any state funding."

"This option would require the passage of legislation by the State Legislature, and we look forward to working with the members of the Legislature in the coming days to see if this option can be made a reality," the Democrats said.

Clinton won a primary the state held in January, but Obama's name wasn't on the ballot. He had it removed because the primary was held too early to comply with national party rules, meaning no delegates were at stake.

Florida also had its delegates stripped for holding a primary in January. The Florida Democratic Party offered a plan for a mail-in primary Thursday, but admitted it didn't have a good chance of being approved. Kilpatrick said the mail-in approach wouldn't work in Michigan.

Kilpatrick said discussions on the plan would continue Friday. "We're hopeful. We're close," she told reporters after appearing at a Judiciary Committee hearing on Capitol Hill.

Other Michigan Democrats working on the plan include Democratic National Committee member Debbie Dingell, Sen. Carl Levin and United Auto Workers President Ron Gettelfinger.

Kilpatrick said although she is optimistic, Detroit City Clerk Janice Winfrey has expressed concern they may not have the time or manpower to pull it off. She said they are trying to work through those issues.

To go forward, any plan would require the approval of the two candidates' campaigns, the Democratic National Committee, state party leaders and Gov. Jennifer Granholm, who is backing Clinton.

Michigan Democrats need to act quickly because the politically divided legislature will have to sign off on the deal and approve how to spend the privately raised funds for a new election. Members of the Democratic-controlled state House and Republican-controlled state Senate leave at the end of the month on their two-week spring break.

Florida Democrats said they will make a decision by Monday on whether to hold a dual mail-in and in-person re-vote. But the plan floated this week faces opposition from the state's Democratic congressional delegation, and Obama has also expressed concerns about security and accuracy of a mail-in vote organized so quickly. Democratic National Committee rules require the vote to be scheduled by June 10.

[godseyesore-2009]

Both of these states should be banned due to ignoring rules, and now whining to change them.
If so, I''m relinquishing my dem party affiliation.

[blkpresident]

Hey Michigan, you had your chance. YOU blew it. So, wait until 2012. The people have spoken: They want Obama, not a woman or OLD man McCain. Face it, why spend your money when it''s already pretty clear that America isn''t ready for a woman president, nor an OLD geezer either.

[craigh9]

This is so ridiculous-

-Florida and Michigan bosses make a decision based solely to get more exposure by moving up their primary.

-Florida and Michigan bosses were informed of consequences of doing so but make a concious decision to go forward anyway with the new time table.

-The candidates were informed of the consequences and agreed to them, including not campainging their.

-The candidate that would benefit most from having these tainted elections count is shocked that the people of Florida and Michigan won''t be heard - when this information was known and agreed to months before.

-The Florida and Michigan bosses are shocked that the consequences they knew about will actually be followed through on.

-The Florida and Michigan bosses now claim the DNC is somehow to blame for the situation and need to take action.

I feel sorry for the people of Florida and Michigan that their votes and delegates will not count - but put your anger where it belongs - squarely on the party bosses and election officals that have made Florida the laughing stock of the nation when it comes to the election process and is now having Michigan run a close second.

The only action required by the DNC is to stand by their decision and MAYBE, JUST MAYBE the states will abide by the ground rules next time.

[blkpresident]

Hey Florida,

Same message for you that was shared with Michigan--same your money. The results won''t matter anyway--Hillary is only a woman and OLD man McCain is way too old. So, the only clear chioce here is Obama, so save your money.

[davidy007]

If they do manage to do revotes, It won''t matter as Florida will go Clinton, and Obama will take Michigan. The votes will basically even out. Again, leaving Obama, with a lead that he will more than likely hold thru to the convention.

[fleura-2009]

Obama is the candidate for all Democrats. We need no recounts or more divisions within the party. You Republicans need to brace for a toughy this year.

[fleura-2009]

Barack Obama Rules!!!! Get that all you republicans, he is our candidate and the reason for us being here writing all these messages.

Barack Obama Rules!!!!

[fleura-2009]

All Democrats - Obamar
All Republicans - McCain

What''s on your ballot?

[fleura-2009]

I love Obama. He is so handsome and smart and charismatic. The list goes on...he is our Party''s Candidate. I hope it as clear to all of you other there with indecisive minds.

THE DEMOCRATS WANT --- BARACK OBAMA!!!

What can you say of McCain?

What can you say of Hillary?

[ianlou]

When you say "Hey Michigan" you sound like we had a say in this. a handfull of party leaders made the decision to change the date. I found out I could not vote in the Michigan primary when I heard the news story after the fact.

[bogdog30]

Ears (Lawnjockey) to consult with minister about naming dog he ''borrowed'' Blackie ...

Minister says that would be better than gar or Dikey.

Chrissy Mathews and Larry the Lizard suggest Spot.

[shutupnvote]

WSJ captures today on the Dem front runner so why bother with a re vote:
In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama''s longtime minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS virus, training professional killers, importing drugs and creating a racist society that would never elect a black candidate president.

The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor of Mr. Obama''s Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, gave the sermon at the school''s Andrew Rankin Memorial Chapel in Washington on Jan. 15, 2006.


Time for Dems to stop bashing McCain for Hagee with supporters like these....

[ianlou]

The DNC is afraid that if Michigan and Florida aren''t allowed to vote in the primary, Many of its citizens may vote for McCain in the general election out of spite.

This is a valid concern.

[craigh9]

This is so ridiculous-

-Florida and Michigan bosses make a decision based solely to get more exposure by moving up their primary.

-Florida and Michigan bosses were informed of consequences of doing so but make a concious decision to go forward anyway with the new time table.

-The candidates were informed of the consequences and agreed to them, including not campaigning there.

-The candidate that would benefit most from having these tainted elections count is shocked that the people of Florida and Michigan won''''t be heard - when this information was known and agreed to months before.

-The Florida and Michigan bosses are shocked that the consequences they knew about will actually be followed through on.

-The Florida and Michigan bosses now claim the DNC is somehow to blame for the situation and need to take action.

I feel sorry for the people of Florida and Michigan that their votes and delegates will not count - but put your anger where it belongs - squarely on the party bosses and election officals that have made Florida the laughing stock of the nation when it comes to the election process and is now having Michigan run a close second.

The only action required by the DNC is to stand by their decision and MAYBE, JUST MAYBE the states will abide by the ground rules next time.

[fleura-2009]

Floridans and Michigans are too late in this debate. Time is up and let the party finish this miserable episode quietly without further delays from undecisive members of the party.

Barak Obama is the candidate and everyone need to get it clear in their mind a stop probing for somekind of redemption or trying to satisfy the Clintons'' despair.

Who are you Floridans and Michigans thinking you are to play silly political games with. DNC needs to get rid of both states or split the numbers 50/50 if they need to get that far. I''d say leave Florida and Michigan out all together.

[fleura-2009]

This is as stupid as can get and making the Dems look like a bunch of weirdos. Florida and Michigan are out of this race and should sit and wait for the final presidential debate. Between Barack and McCain. Then again...Floridans and Michigans are not known for being the brainiest of people.

Chances are they Florida and Michigan both have their own party that no one else is aware of. In that instance, party one Florida and Mich.

[stn_sage]

I agree with the last two posters, fleura & craigh9.

This is ridiculous! They know what the rules are, they agreed with them, and they broke them. So, they shouldn''t expect to be seated! If the citizens there are unhappy about it, voice it on your politicians the next time you vote!

So, Florida, kindly get out of the way of the rest of the nation---Michigan,too---and let''s move forward.
No one has disenfranchised you, but your own political leaders!

[shutupnvote]

why bother look McCain wins, its true but the Dems used a shot gun this time a blew their foot off you have to wonder why they would ever ever put this forth:

Obama told the Pittsburg Tribune-Review, "I haven''t seen the line. This is a pastor who is on the brink of retirement who in the past has made some controversial statements. I profoundly disagree with some of these statements."


But he defended Rev. Wright''s overall record, accusing ABC News of "cherry picking" statements of the man with a 40-year career.

"There are times when people say things that are just wrong. But I think it''s important to judge me on what I''ve said in the past and what I believe," he told the paper.

This after attacking threatening a fellow white dem the other day a white 71 year old female as racist because she belived his resume was thin, with and extensive record on civil rights issue.....
...............Rev Wright belives that the KKK control America

[taddles-2009]

"This after attacking threatening a fellow white dem the other day a white 71 year old female as racist because she belived his resume was thin, with and extensive record on civil rights issue
Posted by shutupNvote at 02:53 PM : Mar 14, 2008"


Except that he didn''t, that''s simply not true. Obama never called Geraldine Ferraro a racist in fact he said exactly the opposite. You''d know that if you''d bother to read what he actually said as opposed to listening to the verbal vomit from people like Rush Limpdrug.

[taddles-2009]

"The DNC is afraid that if Michigan and Florida aren''''t allowed to vote in the primary, Many of its citizens may vote for McCain in the general election out of spite.

This is a valid concern.

Posted by ianlou at 02:21 PM : Mar 14, 2008"

You''d think they would have thought of that a year ago when the Michigan Dem party intentionally disenfranchised their own people. Must be nice to simply have a do-over when you make a stupid decision, wish I could do that.

[taddles-2009]

"The only action required by the DNC is to stand by their decision and MAYBE, JUST MAYBE the states will abide by the ground rules next time.

Posted by craigh9 at 02:34 PM : Mar 14, 2008"

Excellent post

[craigh9]

LOL! - Next time? They are trying to win this time. Right now McCain leads both Hillary and Obama in todays national poll.
Posted by trapbreak at 02:48 PM : Mar 14, 2008

And you believe that is because Michigan and Florida don''t count???? It''s because of the totally assinine in fighting caused by the Clinton Campaign because she just can''t handle the fact that she went from a gaurenteed nomination to a insurmountable deficiet in pledged delegates - IF she cared about the party - IF she cared about the country - she would get out of the way and those numbers would be considerably different. But all the Democrats are doing is showing the country they can''t even get out of their own way.

[gretagreen]

If I lived in Florida or Michigan, I would want to know who it was in my state that decided to ignore the DNC rules. They''re the ones responsible for this mess.

What''s wrong with Florida?

[sgtrds]

A re-vote in both states is the only fair solution so let''s get on with it.

[craigh9]

If I lived in Florida or Michigan, I would want to know who it was in my state that decided to ignore the DNC rules. They''''re the ones responsible for this mess.

What''''s wrong with Florida?
Posted by gretagreen at 03:10 PM : Mar 14, 2008

ABSOLUTELY -- PUT THE BLAME - AND YOUR ANGER - WHERE IT BELONGS

[craigh9]

A re-vote in both states is the only fair solution so let''''s get on with it.


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Posted by SgtRDS at 03:11 PM : Mar 14, 2008

Changing the rules is not fair
The exorbanant cost is not fair
The outcome will not decide a *** thing

Move long folks

[taddles-2009]

"Rassmussen today:

The General Election is essentially tied no matter who the Democrats nominate. It%u2019s McCain 45% Obama 44% and McCain 46% Clinton 44% (see recent daily results). In both match-ups, McCain enjoys more unified support from Republicans than his opponents do from Democrats.

Posted by trapbreak at 02:50 PM : Mar 14, 2008"


Um yea, I like how you decided not to post the other national polls, nice cherry picking.


Gallup Tracking - Obama 46 McCain 44
NBC/WSJ - Obama 47 McCain 44
Newsweek - Obama 46 McCain 45

I guess you have to take what you can get when the primary concern of your nominee is whether he can make it through the day without $hitting himself.

[craigh9]

Bottom Line;

Obama - 48% chance of victory in Novemeber because traditional party members have lived by majority rules in the past

Clinton - 25% chance of victory in November beacause all the new people and energy Obama has brought to the party will dissapate like a hole in a balloon

[taddles-2009]

"A re-vote in both states is the only fair solution so let''''s get on with it.

Posted by SgtRDS at 03:11 PM : Mar 14, 2008"


Why should there be a fair solution? Both states Dem party leaders took it upon themselves to move up their polling dates with the express intent of giving themselves a greater effect on the election. This attempt backfired and made them look stupid, now they want a do-over...how convenient. Where''s the do-over for the other states who played fair? I guess in your book it''s ok to break the rules.

[destardi]

Obama opposes a revote. So much for "change."

Obama is a joke; nice minister you''ve got there Obama.

Your minister traveled to Tripoli with Farrakhan to meet with Khadafi in the 80''s; your minister recently gave an award to Farrakhan and praised him as a great man; you''ve been a member of his church for 20 years; he sits on on your "black religious affairs committee"; he came up with the name of your "Audacity of Hope" book; he baptized your kids.

Hillary gets tainted because of an off the cuff comment by Geraldine Ferraro, which was true (it IS about race, as plainly seen from pastor Wright''s sermons), and this guy who puts videos of his racially toned sermons and idolizes Farrakhan gets a pass.

Where was YOUR judgement Obama, for sitting in a church for 20 years with hate preaching like this?

And of course Obama is against a re-vote in Michigan; Clinton is actually willing to lose votes to make sure it''s fair for Michigan, but even though Obama could gain more votes, he chooses to not take the chance and continues to disenfranchise the voters.

[sgtrds]

What''''s wrong with Florida?

Posted by gretagreen at 03:10 PM : Mar 14, 2008

In Florida the primary that was too early was on a date chosen by the state legislature, which is controlled by the GOP.

[sgtrds]

Changing the rules is not fair
The exorbanant cost is not fair
The outcome will not decide a *** thing

Posted by craigh9 at 03:13 PM : Mar 14, 2008

It''s a DNC rule, so they can amend it to make it more fair it if they like and they''re the ones paying the cost, so what''s the problem?

[taddles-2009]

"And of course Obama is against a re-vote in Michigan;

Posted by destardi1 at 03:20 PM : Mar 14, 2008"


And he said this when exactly? oh that''s right, he didn''t. What he did say is that he will abide by the decision of the DNC...read a f**king book dolt.

[destardi]

And you believe that is because Michigan and Florida don''''t count???? It''''s because of the totally assinine in fighting caused by the Clinton Campaign because she just can''''t handle the fact that she went from a gaurenteed nomination to a insurmountable deficiet in pledged delegates - IF she cared about the party - IF she cared about the country - she would get out of the way and those numbers would be considerably different. But all the Democrats are doing is showing the country they can''''t even get out of their own way.


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Posted by craigh9 at 03:08 PM : Mar 14, 2008
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Man, you''ve been paying to much credibility to the Mainstream media.

Hillary Clinton has been knocked up down and sideways by Obama, and the press, outspent, and yet she is still 50/50 with Obama.

Obama started the race baiting, not Hillary Clinton.

"New York State Senator Bill Perkins used quite explicit racial stereotyping in a speech aimed at discouraging his constituents from voting for Clinton by saying, Harlem "is not Bill Clinton''s backyard or his plantation. Underscore, plantation."
Does Bill Clinton own slaves? Cuz I fail to see the connection between him and a plantation?
Racist much, Obama?


And mark.my.words., Obama''s race baiting ways are coming to light, because..they''re real and obvious to people who research and are PAYING ATTENTION.

[craigh9]

It amazes me that all these Hillary Huggers are so anxious to have a re-vote. In Michigan she was only able to garner 55% of the vote angainst NOBODY.

Florida mirrors all the other states in the union prior to true campanging occurred. If there were to be a do-over Obama would capture significantly more votes than the first time around.

This doesn''t change the basic fact that even with the re-vote Hillary will not capture the majority of pledged delegates and therefore should not get the nomination - if she gets it without that the party will splinter and lose in November anyway

[taddles-2009]

"In Florida the primary that was too early was on a date chosen by the state legislature, which is controlled by the GOP.

Posted by SgtRDS at 03:20 PM : Mar 14, 2008"

True, but the decision to move up the primary in the first place was done by the state Dem party with a unanimous vote.

[sgtrds]

"And of course Obama is against a re-vote in Michigan;

Posted by destardi1 at 03:20 PM : Mar 14, 2008"


And he said this when exactly? oh that''''s right, he didn''''t. What he did say is that he will abide by the decision of the DNC...read a f**king book dolt.

Posted by taddles at 03:22 PM : Mar 14, 2008

I agree he''d love a Michigan re-vote, which is one of the reasons I would love to see one too. He''ll sweep Michigan.

[destardi]

"And of course Obama is against a re-vote in Michigan;

Posted by destardi1 at 03:20 PM : Mar 14, 2008"


And he said this when exactly? oh that''''s right, he didn''''t. What he did say is that he will abide by the decision of the DNC...read a f**king book dolt.


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Posted by taddles at 03:22 PM : Mar 14, 2008
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I love it when people insult others personally; it shows their level of class and intelligence.

Dolt?

here you go oh wise one, from Obama''s mouth himself:

Obama laughs at that contention.
"We were told that these contests would not count," he tells Steve Inskeep. "Sen. Clinton agreed. Our name was taken off the ballot in Michigan, and in Florida we did no campaigning. Now, if people think that that is a normal democratic way of running an election, then that''s not the America that I know."
Clinton said a complete re-do of the two primaries would be acceptable to her. But Obama says he''s not sure that''s such a good idea.
"Our position consistently has been that the Michigan and Florida delegations should be seated [at the Democratic National Convention] and that we should come up with a system that is fair to all the parties involved," Obama says

Dolt?

[sgtrds]

True, but the decision to move up the primary in the first place was done by the state Dem party with a unanimous vote.

Posted by taddles at 03:23 PM : Mar 14, 2008

Yes, but the legislature itself sets the date and the Florida Democrats objected to how soon it was set and tried to have it changed after the DNC said it''d void their votes.

[destardi]

Sgtrds and taddles, I''m waiting for your comment on your being proven utterly wrong.

Clinton is willing to give up votes, to be fair to the American voters of Michigan, and obama isn''t willing to chance it..he''d rather just take 50/50, and screw the voters.

I''m tired of hearing about "rules". Democrats were crying about voter disenfranchisement in 2000, (rightfully so), but now it''s all about a *** pissing contest.

[destardi]

"And of course Obama is against a re-vote in Michigan;

Posted by destardi1 at 03:20 PM : Mar 14, 2008"


And he said this when exactly? oh that''''''''s right, he didn''''''''t. What he did say is that he will abide by the decision of the DNC...read a f**king book dolt.


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Posted by taddles at 03:22 PM : Mar 14, 2008
+ report abuse


I love it when people insult others personally; it shows their level of class and intelligence.

Dolt?

here you go oh wise one, from Obama''''s mouth himself:

Obama laughs at that contention.
"We were told that these contests would not count," he tells Steve Inskeep. "Sen. Clinton agreed. Our name was taken off the ballot in Michigan, and in Florida we did no campaigning. Now, if people think that that is a normal democratic way of running an election, then that''''s not the America that I know."
Clinton said a complete re-do of the two primaries would be acceptable to her. But Obama says he''''s not sure that''''s such a good idea.
"Our position consistently has been that the Michigan and Florida delegations should be seated [at the Democratic National Convention] and that we should come up with a system that is fair to all the parties involved," Obama says

Dolt?


Oops, here''s the link:

from NPR

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88212282

Oh, and taddles...read less fictional books, and more varied sources of information.

[craigh9]

Hillary Clinton has been knocked up down and sideways by Obama, and the press, outspent, and yet she is still 50/50 with Obama. Posted by destardi1 at 03:22 PM : Mar 14, 2008
THIS IS TRUE IF YOU LOOK AT IT ON ITS SURFACE. CAN HILLARY STILL WIN THE NOMINATION - YES! BUT YOU ARE MISSING THE BIG PICTURE - IF SHE WINS ALL THE NEW VOTERS AND HIGH ENERGY OBAMA HAS BROUGHT TO THE PRIMARIES WILL DISAPPEAR WHEN HE DOES.

FACT IS - SHE CAN''T CAPTURE THE MAJORITY OF PLEDGED DELEGATES - AND IF THE PARTY DOESN''T USE THAT FACT AS THE DECISION POINT FOR WHO TO NOMINATE THEY DEFACTO PLACE MCCAIN IN THE WHITE HOUSE FOR THE NEXT 4 YEARS - MAYBE EVEN 8 AS IT WILL TAKE A LONG TIME TO GET THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BACK TOGETHER AFTER THEY DISENFRANCHISE HALF THE PARTY.

[secundus2]

I stuck with the DEMS through Humphrey, McGovern, Carter, Dukakis and the like, but the party is a sophomoric and inept institution. In 2000 it sued over results in Florida counties with DEM supervisors of elections, in 2008 it wants "do-overs" (is this playground bball?) and looks to Howard Dean for a solution. Despite the nasty postings about Obama and/or Clinton, those two are far better than the party as a whole.

[obamagrls-bf]

HILLARY FAILS IN MATH.. HOW??

latest stand

obama - 1404 ple-delegates
clinton - 1243 ple-delegates ..

suppose FLA and MI revotes and out of 400 delegates Clinton crush Obama there

Clinton adds 250 delegates
Obama adds 150

now you sum-up

final stand

Obama 1404 + 150 = 1554
Hillary 1243 250 = 1494

Hillary still trails by 60 delegaes ...

in order to win 250 out of 400 FLA, MI delegated Hillary gonna need more than 65 % of vote..which is very unlikely ...

so you know who is the DNC''s nominee ??

[obamagrls-bf]

HILLARY FAILS IN MATH.. HOW??

latest stand

obama - 1404 ple-delegates
clinton - 1243 ple-delegates ..

suppose FLA and MI revotes and out of 400 delegates Clinton crush Obama there

Clinton adds 250 delegates
Obama adds 150

now you sum-up

final stand

Obama 1404 + 150 = 1554
Hillary 1243 250 = 1494

Hillary still trails by 60 delegaes ...

in order to win 250 out of 400 FLA, MI delegated Hillary gonna need more than 65 % of vote..which is very unlikely ...

so you know who is the DNC''s nominee ??

[obamagrls-bf]

HILLARY FAILS IN MATH.. HOW??

latest stand

obama - 1404 ple-delegates
clinton - 1243 ple-delegates ..

suppose FLA and MI revotes and out of 400 delegates Clinton crush Obama there

Clinton adds 250 delegates
Obama adds 150

now you sum-up

final stand

Obama 1404 + 150 = 1554
Hillary 1243 250 = 1494

Hillary still trails by 60 delegaes ...

in order to win 250 out of 400 FLA, MI delegated Hillary gonna need more than 65 % of vote..which is very unlikely ...

so you know who is the DNC''s nominee ??

[obamagrls-bf]

if supperdelegates vote for Hilalry ..its gonna be only one party for the rest of American political history.... may be good for america...

one REPUBLICAN PARTY may Bill Clinton take help of Monica Lewensky to impress Bush to Join Rep party ...

so if Hillary is the nominee '''' the end of democratic party ..."

[taddles-2009]

"Our position consistently has been that the Michigan and Florida delegations should be seated [at the Democratic National Convention] and that we should come up with a system that is fair to all the parties involved," Obama says

Dolt?

Posted by destardi1 at 03:30 PM : Mar 14, 2008"


Wow, you post a quote that supports my statement that he didn''t say he is against a re-vote in Michigan, how thoughtful of you, stupid, but thoughtful.

[phillysage]

"I stuck with the DEMS through Humphrey, McGovern, Carter, Dukakis . . ."
Posted by secundus2

So did I, but the Obamas are a bit too much to swallow. It seems to me a prerequisite for the Presidency to be able to say, "I have always been proud to be American"--and if you''re gonna mix religion with politics as the Obamas have tried to do, at least have a pastor who doesn''t blame the US for 9/11 and isn''t part of the hate America crowd, like Nation of Islam''s Louis Farrakhan.
the Obama supporters have run a sexist campaign against Hillary Clinton, with a lot of help from the media, by the way and still don''t have the nomination. They could never be elected. There are many capable black Democrats worthy of being on the ticket for Pres. or Vice Pres. Baby Barack is NOT one of them. He is a 3-year Senator and chatterbox with no record of accomplishment worth recounting.

Are they also going to do Florida over, where Hillary Clinton and that clown aren''t tied, but where she holds a commanding lead?

[obamagrls-bf]

GRANDMOTHERS vs GRANDCHILDREN

most of the countries in the worlds mothers sacrifice a lot even their lives for their kids and husband ..but in America the selfish grandmothers dump their kids hope by putting their kids in daycare, separsating from husband, not giving enough help towards education of their kids and voting for their healthcare ( Hillarycare) ...