March 12, 2008
Israel, Iran Practically At War
The New Republic: Arab-Israeli Conflict Solution Can Be Reached By Dealing With Primary Instigator, Iran
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World Condemns Israel Massacre
As Gaza residents danced in the streets, world leaders condemned the killing of eight Israeli teenagers by a Palestinian gunman. One American was killed and one wounded. Charlie D'Agata reports.
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Israelis take cover after a rocket fired from the Gaza Strip by Palestinians militants hit a building in Ashkelon, Israel on Monday, March 3, 2008. Three rockets hit Ashkelon, a city of 120,000, on Monday morning, Israeli rescue services said, with one hitting an apartment building. (AP Photo/Ariel Schalit)
Immediately after the massacre of eight students in a yeshiva library in Jerusalem last week, speculation began within the Israeli security establishment and the media about who had dispatched the lone murderer. Was it Hamas? Hezbollah? Perhaps a new, unknown organization claiming to act on behalf of the "liberation" of the Galilee? In fact, the speculation was pointless. Regardless of the affiliation of the actual perpetrator, the ultimate responsibility for this attack, as for almost all the terror attacks on Israel in recent years, lies with Iran.
The Palestinian struggle is no longer about creating an independent state. It is about being a front-line participant in the Iranian-led jihad to destroy Israel, evolving from a nationalist to a religious war. The thousands of celebrants in Gaza who, following the yeshiva massacre, offered prayers of thanksgiving in the mosques and distributed candies to passersby weren't only indulging in feelings of revenge for Israel's recent military incursion but heralding the coming jihadist victory over the enemies of God. A real solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict can only be reached by dealing with its primary instigator: Iran.
Israel's seventh war began in September 2000, and was launched by Yasser Arafat, who transformed Fatah into a quasi-Islamist movement, nurturing the rhetoric and martyrology of jihad. Arafat no doubt assumed he could manipulate Islamist trappings for nationalist aims. But then he went one step farther: He initiated an alliance with Iran's Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei. Until then, Iran's only client within the Palestinian national movement had been the Islamic Jihad, the smallest of the Palestinian terrorist factions. According to a former chief of Israeli military intelligence, Arafat promised the Iranians that he would turn Gaza into a second southern Lebanon, and Iran began providing weapons and funds to Arafat's Fatah. But then, in January 2002, Israel intercepted the Karine A, a ship carrying Iranian-supplied Katyusha rockets and mortars and C-4 explosives for use in suicide bombings. Exposed and under international pressure, Arafat severed the connection.
Ironically, Hamas was initially more reluctant than Fatah to enter into an Iranian alliance, precisely because the Sunni Hamas takes religion more seriously than Fatah and was loathe to accept the authority of the Iranian Shiites. But that squeamishness ended three years ago with a formal alliance, orchestrated by the Damascus-based Hamas leader, Khaled Meshal, and today Hamas is an integral part of the Iranian war against Israel. Iran has trained hundreds of Hamas operatives -- and, according to the former intelligence chief, continues to fund individual members of Fatah's Al Aqsa Brigades. Iran's goal is twofold: to extend its influence in the Arab world, and to transform itself, via proxies, into a frontline confrontation state with Israel.
The jihadist war against Israel has shifted from one front to another -- suicide bombings inside Israeli cities until 2004, Katyushas on Haifa in the north in 2006, and now Katyushas on Ashkelon in the south. All are battles in the same war. So far, it is a war without an all-encompassing name, and that linguistic failure reflects a larger Israeli failure to treat this as a unified conflict. We still refer to the suicide bombings of 2000-2004 by the Palestinians' misnomer, "the second intifada" -- which falsely implies a popular uprising, like the first intifada, rather the orchestrated slew of terror attacks that it was. Awkwardly, we call the 2006 battle against Hezbollah "the second Lebanon War," a name that places the conflict in the wrong context -- the first Lebanon War against Palestinian nationalist terrorism in the early 1980s rather than one more front in the Iranian war against Israel. And now we are calling the daily rocket attacks against southern Israel "the war of the Qassams," even as the Qassams are augmented by the far more deadly Katyushas
In contending with Hezbollah and Hamas, Israel is trying to treat the symptoms, rather than the cause. Not surprisingly, it finds itself repeatedly stymied in efforts to stop the attacks on the home front. All of Israel's options in dealing with Hamas seem unbearable. Allowing rockets to continue to fall on southern towns creates despair among Israelis, who see their nation's sovereignty unraveling. Engaging in limited but costly military operations in Gaza, as Israel did last week, creates international outrage and little lasting security gain. Re-conquering Gaza and its dense refugee camps will result in a devastating number of causalities, both among Israeli soldiers and Palestinian civilians. And even if Israel succeeds in destroying the Hamas infrastructure, Israelis will confront the same dilemmas that forced them to leave Gaza two years ago.
A ceasefire with Hamas -- which Prime Minister Ehud Olmert seems to be implementing even as he denies it -- may well be the worst option of all. Hamas will likely use that interim period to turn itself into a second Hezbollah, equipped with Iranian weapons. And when Hamas feels empowered to break the ceasefire and resume its attacks, Israel will face a far more formidable enemy.
To deal effectively with the jihad requires an awareness that Israel is in fact at war with the Iranian regime, which manipulates proxies along Israel's borders, supplying them with weapons and training, and energizing them with the promise of imminent victory.
Understandably, Israel has avoided a confrontation with Iran, which could result in the most devastating war Israel has fought. But as the siege around Israel's borders tightens and as the Iranian nuclear program quickens, that direct confrontation becomes increasingly likely.
According to a just-released strategic assessment by the Israeli intelligence community, 2008 will be the "Year of Iran." The Lebanese government, warns the assessment, could collapse in the coming months, allowing Hezbollah to take power. Meanwhile, Hezbollah and Hamas are considering a coordinated rocket assault on Israeli population centers, almost all of which are within rocket range of either group. And, according to the strategic assessment, sometime within the coming year, or by early 2009 at the latest, Iran will achieve nuclear capability. The threat that emerges from the intelligence assessment may well be the most acute that Israel has ever faced.
Following the yeshiva massacre, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown speculated that the gunman was attempting to "derail" the peace process. Brown's implication, widely shared in the West, is that the best way to defeat the jihadists is to create a Palestinian state.
But a viable Palestinian state living peacefully beside Israel will not be possible without disconnecting Iran from these groups who are attacking Israel on its behalf. This may require destabilizing the Iranian regime -- hopefully through intensified sanctions against its nuclear program, and by military force against its nuclear installations if sanctions fail. Without stopping the momentum of the Iranian-led jihad against Israel, the appeal of Hamas among Palestinians will grow. So long as the international community tries to create a Palestinian state without seriously confronting the jihadists, Iran and its proxies will continue to make peace impossible -- not by "derailing" negotiations, but by making those negotiations irrelevant.
By Yossi Klein Halevi
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AMERICA STAND UP OR SHUT UP...STOP THEM NOW!
Good article, but too long. It boils down to:
We are in war against Jihad and all confrontations are just strategic battles. All lost by Israel.
By hitting symptoms and not daring to attack the desease - Iran.
In a similar situation I have joined
Anielewicz''s call to stand up and fight. I was
supposed to be killed, but I somehow survived,
instead of being gazed in Treblinka.
So Stand up and Fight! Don''t negotiate. There
was no sense to negotiate with SS.
Hit Iran before it''s too late, with nukes if
necessary, but destroy it.
Else you will finish in what Treblinka was for
us in Warsaw.
Stand up and fight!
Georges Metanomski
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These (previously listed items) are all certainly major factors of the tensions in the region. But the number one contributor to the endless conflict, in my opinion, are the hardcore Zionists. These extremists seem to believe that there will never be any possibility of peace in the region until the second coming of their Messiah, and that Israel must expand in order for that to take place.
Since there is no possibility of this ever happening, the Zionist extremists have created a situation where there is no possibility of resolving the conflict.
As such, the Zionists should stop blaming others for the problems that they, themselves have created, and stop whining about their own plight.
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From the article-
Re: "Arab-Israeli Conflict Solution Can Be Reached By Dealing With Primary Instigator, Iran"
This conclusion appears to ignore more prominent factors.
First off, the Iranians are not threatening to invade Israel, while the the Israelis have repeatedly threatened to invade Iran.
Other major factors include:
- The illegal Israeli Jewish settlements, whose fanatical members regularly terrorize, attack, kill and maim non-Jews and human rights advocates
- The illegal Israeli WMDs, including nuclear weapons
- The Israeli practices of collective punishment- a war crime- against the Palestinians, such as we have seen recently in Gaza
- The Israeli policy of executing democratically elected Palestinian leaders, often murdering civilians in the process
- The Israeli policy of hiding behind "human shields", including women and child civilians
- The Israeli practice of imprisoning and torturing more than 10,000 Palestinian civilians, for years, without charging them with a crime, or allowing them an opportunity to challenge their detention
- The Israeli practice of waging illegal and unjustifiable war of aggression against their neighbors, resulting in the mass-murder of civilians, environmental devastation, etc., such as we witnessed in Lebanon in the summer of 2006
- The Israeli leadership''s complete disregard for international law, human rights, and standards of common decency
If there is one thing that most Americans can agree on, it is that the continued billions upon billions of U.S. tax dollar welfare payments to the bigoted, failing, rogue, terror-State of Israel, is an extremely poor investment, and should be halted.
The Israelis have plainly become their own worst oppressors, by surrendering to their own ideologically driven extremism, hatred, intolerance, and irrational fear.
Do not listen to the mainstream media, they are owned by the war profiteers and AIPAC.
The words of the poster "zgmet" illustrates the extremist nature of Zionism. This poster has flooded the thread with rabid screechings, including:
"Don''t negotiate."
"Hit Iran before it''s too late, with nukes if
necessary, but destroy it."
This poster appears to have no reservations about the mass-murder of Iranians in a criminal war of aggression against Iran.
People like this appear to be eternal slaves of Hitler, as Hitler''s essence is apparently trapped in their own heads.
It is quite clear who the terrorists really are in this situation, and who poses the true treat, when extremist posters such as this reveal their craven and murderous nature.
Israel has not carried out a nuclear attack.
Iran can hardly wait, much of which would be, it sounds, to the satisfaction of those who display warped ideological fantasies of a peaceful coexistence with a meniacal hyper-theocratic mess.
The misinformed nature of Israeli supporters and Zionists is testament to their poor reasoning skills.
Re: "Israelis do not use human shields."
In fact, the only country that we know of, FOR SURE, with a chronic policy of hiding behind "human shields", are the Israelis- proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, before their own Supreme Court.
www.adalah.org/newsletter/eng/oct05/1.php
They often attempt to attribute this cowardly practice to their adversaries, as a pathetic excuse to justify their own crimes and atrocities, and always without any substantial support.
One thing is for sure, though- that the craven Israelis have no standing to criticize anyone for using this cowardly terrorist tactic, since they so eagerly embrace this practice themselves.
Re: "Israel at least admits that it possesses nuclear weapons, the use of which would be devestating to the whole world."
This is false, of course, as the Israelis have never openly admitted this fact. At any rate, if the rogue terr-State of Israel were to ever actually admit their possession of illegal nuclear weapons, it would hardly excuse the fact that they have them.
Israel is clearly the only significant nuclear threat in the region, and has no place criticizing anyone else about WMD and/or terrorism.
-the illegal Israeli WMDs, including nuclear weapons.
Who determines that this is illegal?
Are US nuclear WMDs an illegal possession? What about France? Surely India and of course Pakistan, (yes we have contributed a lot to this mess too, another instabuddy of Iran), have "legal" rights to this "ability", not to mention China.
Are all these players breaking a LAW? WHOS LAW?
It is true, Israel has NOT fully confessed to this possession, but it must be known if it is a "major fact".
Perhaps if Iran would admit or confess that it Lusts for a nuke, everybody would be satisfied, including Germany, who admits a desire to possess IT''S own nuke, they can do it, and who would say its illegal??
Illeagal Israeli WMD.
Oh, IRAQ is a disaster, and if you think its bad now, wait till we move out and Iran gushes in!
Who ARE you people, you cannot possibly be as clueless as you seem to be.
If it is so illegal who, of these nations, proclaims thus?
Enter the sympathizers of POOR power hungry, energy deficient Iran who NEEDS nuclear POWER. It is these compassionates that would LOVE to see a "real" holocaust of anything contrary to their radical Islamic agenda.
Nor will WE.
I think it''s because we''re shortsighted and stupid?? As far as Iran goes, I don''t think that they can use a nuke on Israel....too much pressure on them from Russia & China for that one...it''s also precisely why we should NOT attack Iran (the threat of a massive conflict with Russia & China. We should be working heavily with those 2 on controlling Iran.
On the flip side, you should also look at what happened to Europe following WW1. Spoils of war went to victors and left bitterness in the taste of others. Consequently, it led to trouble in the form of WW2. I''m just saying that we should look at history before repeating the same errors that were made in treaties like the one signed at Versailles.
IS THE GROUND GETTING READY FOR ANOTHER WAR ? IS THE MEDIA PRIMING UP ANOTHER SUPPORT FOR ATTACKING IRAN ?
I am on neither side, only on the side peace, logic and reason.
If you believe that video then you must also believe Martians live on earth! The Church spends billions of dollars on promotion, the Church even pays people to become Christians, the church even facilitates getting citizenship in the west for the Muslims if they convert. The church basically is buying faith. That faith is neither good for the church nor the converts; most converts convert back as soon as the benefits dry up. These are the facts, whether you like them or not.
The people that believe in god and that the apparation has enemies are the ones that should be eradicated.
enemies of God??? enemies of God??? This is an f''ed up world we live in. Seems that every 3rd grade educated person actually is believed credible.
Your handle provides a clue to it all, the flesh world collides with the spiritual world and the spiritual world collides with itself. It does not make sense because no one can "officially" admit its all rooted in Religion, the Bible and the Spiritual World. If it were of the physical or flesh world "alone" it would be easy to understand and possibly resolve. The answers are in the Holy Bible, still the number one selling book worldwide!
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by thisisfunny
March 14, 2008 6:17 PM PDT
- Maybe we can send reverend Hagee and his megachurch brain dead congregation to go over there and fight...
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