BAGHDAD, March 11, 2008

Violence In Iraq Kills 42; 3 More GIs Die

U.S. Death Toll For Monday Rises To 8; Bomb Hits Bus Killing 16

    • The aftermath of a suicide attack that killed five U.S. soldiers in Baghdad. Photo

      The aftermath of a suicide attack that killed five U.S. soldiers in Baghdad.  (AP /APTN)

    • A U.S. soldier of 3rd Brigade Combat team, 3rd Infantry Division aims his rifle beside a military vehicle during a patrol at Al-leg, Iraq, an area about 40 miles south of Baghdad, Iraq on Monday, March 10, 2008. Photo

      A U.S. soldier of 3rd Brigade Combat team, 3rd Infantry Division aims his rifle beside a military vehicle during a patrol at Al-leg, Iraq, an area about 40 miles south of Baghdad, Iraq on Monday, March 10, 2008.  (AP Photo/Petros Giannakouris)

    • Cpt. Jim Hathaway from Columbus, GA, of 3rd Brigade Combat team, 3rd Infantry Division plays soccer with Iraqi children during a joint U.S.-Republic of Georgia army patrol in the Al-leg area of Iraq, about 40 miles south of Baghdad, on March 9, 2008. Photo

      Cpt. Jim Hathaway from Columbus, GA, of 3rd Brigade Combat team, 3rd Infantry Division plays soccer with Iraqi children during a joint U.S.-Republic of Georgia army patrol in the Al-leg area of Iraq, about 40 miles south of Baghdad, on March 9, 2008.  (AP Photo/Petros Giannakouris)

    • A U.S. soldier stands in front of a bus that was hit by a roadside bomb near Nasiriyah, about 200 miles southeast of Baghdad, Iraq, Tuesday, March, 11, 2008. At least 16 civilians aboard died and another 22 were wounded in the blast. Photo

      A U.S. soldier stands in front of a bus that was hit by a roadside bomb near Nasiriyah, about 200 miles southeast of Baghdad, Iraq, Tuesday, March, 11, 2008. At least 16 civilians aboard died and another 22 were wounded in the blast.  (AP Photo/Nabil al-Jurani)

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(CBS/AP)  Violence killed at least 42 people Tuesday, including 16 bus passengers caught in a roadside bombing in southern Iraq, after the deadliest day for U.S. troops in precisely six months.

The U.S. military announced that three American soldiers were killed in a roadside bombing north of Baghdad on Monday, bringing to eight the number of troops who died that day. The last time so many U.S. military personnel were killed in Iraq was Sept. 10, when 10 died.

Bloodshed has increased recently, despite what the military said has been a 60 percent drop in attacks across Iraq since June. Last Thursday, two massive bombs killed 68 people in Baghdad's Karradah neighborhood. On March 3, two car bombings killed 24 people in the capital.

According to an Associated Press count, at the height of unrest from November 2006 to August 2007, on average approximately 65 Iraqis died each day as a result of violence. As conditions improved, the daily death toll steadily declined. It reached its lowest point in more than two years on January 2008, when on average 20 Iraqis died each day.

Those numbers have since jumped. In February, approximately 26 Iraqis died each day as a result of violence, and so far in March, that number is up to 39 daily. These figures reflect the months in which people were found, and not necessarily - in the case of mass graves - the months in which they were killed.

Military spokesman Rear Adm. Gregory Smith said Sunday that recent violence should not be taken as evidence of "an increase or a trend of an increase."

"I think we need to continue to look at historically what has happened over the last year to really put in perspective a one-week or two-weeks' worth of activity inside Baghdad," Smith said.

But Smith, in what has become a military mantra of caution, also noted that "on any given day, al Qaeda and other extremist groups are still very much disposed toward handing out violence indiscriminately to achieve whatever means and ends they hope to achieve with those attacks."

While al Qaeda in Iraq is Sunni, Shiite extremists with alleged ties to Iran are also believed to have carried out attacks.

In an interview with CNN Tuesday, Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, said he was in favor of substantive discussions with Iran about what the U.S. claims is Tehran's continued funding and training of extremists in Iraq.

Petraeus said he did not meet with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad during his visit to Iraq last week because he thought it would have been a "relatively meaningless encounter."

But he added: "What we would like to do with Iran of course is sit down across the table and let's discuss. You know, the Iranians have pledged at the very highest levels to stop arming, training, funding and equipping and directing the special groups and these other militia extremist elements ... and yet it appears very clear that Iran does continue."

The roadside bombing that killed the three U.S. soldiers and an interpreter Monday took place in Diyala, a violent province where al Qaeda in Iraq has been active. Another soldier was wounded.

The five other U.S. soldiers were killed while on foot patrol in central Baghdad. A suicide bomber approached them and detonated his explosives vest. Three American troops and an Iraqi interpreter were wounded. Iraqi police said two civilians also were killed in the attack.

Tuesday's attack on the bus traveling from Najaf to Basra killed 16 civilians and wounded 22, a policeman said.

Gunmen also sprayed another bus with machine-gun fire shortly after it hit a roadside bomb in eastern Baghdad. One person was killed and four others were wounded, police said. The bomb was apparently targeting a nearby police patrol.

In Duluiyah, 45 miles north of Baghdad, police said a suicide bomber blew up his truck at a checkpoint near the headquarters of the local Awakening Council, killing five people. Awakening Councils are made up of mostly Sunni fighters who have accepted U.S. backing to switch allegiances and fight al Qaeda in Iraq.

And in Kut, 100 miles southeast of Baghdad, clashes with Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army militia left 12 dead and 14 injured. Thirty people were arrested. Southern Iraq often sees clashes between rival Shiite groups battling for power.

In Mosul, an unknown number of gunmen attacked a police checkpoint in Mosul, killing four policemen and injuring one civilian. Four of the attacking gunmen also were killed in the firefight, according to a Ninevah police officer who spoke on condition of anonymity.

In other developments:

  • President Bush is beginning a communications push to remind people about the Iraq war. He's looking to frame the war on his terms ahead of the conflict's five-year anniversary next week, the NATO summit next month, and the upcoming congressional testimony from top U.S. diplomats in Iraq. At a convention of National Religious Broadcasters in Nashville, Tennessee, Mr. Bush tried to put a face on the wars by describing enemy tactics in grisly detail. He said terrorists are "trying to shake our nerve. And frankly, that's not hard to do in America because we're a compassionate people."

  • Iraq is not spending much of its own money, despite soaring oil revenues that are pushing the country toward a massive budget surplus, U.S. auditors told Congress on Tuesday. The expected surplus comes as the U.S. continues to invest billions of dollars in rebuilding Iraq and faces a financial squeeze domestically because of record oil prices.



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    by feelfree1 March 11, 2008 4:42 AM PDT

    From the article-

    Re: "The U.S. military said Tuesday that three soldiers were killed the day before by a roadside bomb north of Baghdad, bringing to eight the number of troops who died that day."

    Eight dead American soldiers in one day, yet CBS is still revealing only 5 on the front page, and the headline of this article indicates that only 3 died.

    It looks like someone is trying to underplay this news, for some reason.

    We should surpass 4,000 total officially acknowledged American soldier deaths from the Iraq misadventure, right around the upcoming 5th anniversary.
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    by feelfree1 March 11, 2008 4:47 AM PDT

    From the article-

    Re: "The woman had come to visit Sheik Thaeir Ghadhban al-Karkhi in a village in restive Diyala province the day before, begging for his help to find her kidnapped husband, said al-Karkhi''s brother, Duraid Mahmoud."

    "Female relatives searched her on the first visit, but when she returned the following day, they let her in without checking for weapons, said Mahmoud."

    Why would she be searched by relatives, and why on earth would she decide to bomb the people from which she is seeking help?

    This looks like another effort to portray the fabled "al-Qaeda-in-Iraq" as being so "desperate" that they must rely on women for their alleged attacks, and like yet another Western media claim that fails the sniff test.
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    by feelfree1 March 11, 2008 4:54 AM PDT

    Will the corpses of these 8 additional dead American soldiers be turned over to the Chevron corporation, so that their remaining "human energy" reserves can be extracted, for profit?
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    by feelfree1 March 11, 2008 5:38 AM PDT

    Jaysea0822,

    Re: "is it wrong for a rich woman to have a sugar baby??"

    I''m not sure why CBS continues to allow you to advertise your prostitution services here, but I would like to suggest that you go fornicate yourself, and keep the details to yourself.
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    by skyk-2009 March 11, 2008 6:31 AM PDT
    Who will be the last man to die for this blunder? How many more will die because of a Man who has morals so low, so corrupt that he will LIE to his own people 935 times?
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    by demslie March 11, 2008 7:40 AM PDT
    Who will be the last man to die for this blunder? How many more will die because of a Man who has morals so low, so corrupt that he will LIE to his own people 935 times?

    Posted by skyk

    These are the exact words said by IRAN and Al Qaeda. Bin Ladin Mentions "935 times" in one of his recent hate speeches. This, of course, in nothing new. The Democrats have fully supported IRAN and Al Qaeda terrorists thought-out the war and many US Soldiers are dead because of the moral and motivating support given them by Democrats. When Democrat Harry Reid said "The War is Lost" there was an immediately increase in violent terrorist attacks that cost the lives of women, children and soldiers but, the Democrat terrorists excused their partners in Al Qaeda and blamed it on Bush. And this is the new %u201CChange for America%u201D that Saddam Hussein OBAMA, Hitlery and Democraps have promised us.
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    by demslie March 11, 2008 7:42 AM PDT
    U.S.A. a disgrace...

    Posted by jerryomara

    This is the best reason for NSA wiretaps. I hope someone is looking for this terrorist.
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    by mcvet March 11, 2008 7:48 AM PDT
    This is the best reason for NSA wiretaps. I hope someone is looking for this terrorist.


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    Posted by demslie at 07:42 AM : Mar 11, 2008
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    You think an Administration that LIES to it''s OWN people 935 times in two years leading up to a war is OKAY? I call it a Disgrace and unfortunately that disgrace is on ALL of us, not just the Neocon''s who produced it. Sieg Heil Bush
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    by speakinup March 11, 2008 7:50 AM PDT
    jerryomara, Nancy_naive, feelfree1, and all of you other ''worried americans'' (yeah, like any of them are from the US), why is it you don''t worry for the 10+ innocent people that are killed every day by drunk drivers???


    That would be 7 times the number of US personnel killed in Iraq when taken on a annual basis. Gee, do I need to wonder if you are pushing a political agenda ?

    Or, would it be that the Indians would have to stop selling liquor on their reservations without taxes, Nancy ?

    The obvious truth is, you don''t give a cr@p about innocent lives, you simply want to push your far left agenda, no matter the cost to the world or country.

    Look forward to another 8 years of Republican admin.


    Eat your heart out - Hillary or obama - hah - bunch of losers.
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    by mcvet March 11, 2008 7:51 AM PDT
    These are the exact words said by IRAN and Al Qaeda. Bin Ladin Mentions "935 times" in one of his recent hate speeches. This, of course, in nothing new. The Democrats have fully supported IRAN and Al Qaeda terrorists thought-out the war and many US Soldiers are dead because of the moral and motivating support given them by Democrats. When Democrat Harry Reid said "The War is Lost" there was an immediately increase in violent terrorist attacks that cost the lives of women, children and soldiers but, the Democrat terrorists excused their partners in Al Qaeda and blamed it on Bush. And this is the new %u201CChange for America%u201D that Saddam Hussein OBAMA, Hitlery and Democraps have promised us.



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    Posted by demslie at 07:40 AM : Mar 11, 2008
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    EVERYTHING you posted is a BLANTANT BALDED FACED LIE!! You think holding our OWN Representative responsible for 935 LIES his administration told our OWN people, the families of those who died in a useless and needless war, is helping the enemy? Some American you are! If you''d ever heard the sounds of an American falling at your side, if you''d ever experienced the horror of combat, I doubt you''d feel those LIES didn''t matter. Sieg Heil Bush! Come on Bootlicker let''s tear it all down to save the fuhrer!! Shout it out so the world will know we are a ONE PARTY RULE country!! SIEG HEIL MEIN FUHRER!!
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    by mcvet March 11, 2008 7:54 AM PDT
    That would be 7 times the number of US personnel killed in Iraq when taken on a annual basis. Gee, do I need to wonder if you are pushing a political agenda ?

    Or, would it be that the Indians would have to stop selling liquor on their reservations without taxes, Nancy ?

    The obvious truth is, you don''''t give a cr@p about innocent lives, you simply want to push your far left agenda, no matter the cost to the world or country.

    Look forward to another 8 years of Republican admin.


    Eat your heart out - Hillary or obama - hah - bunch of losers.



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    Posted by speakinup at 07:50 AM : Mar 11, 2008
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    So YOU think LYING to WE the PEOPLE 935 times to start a needless and useless war is for what? I mean talk about pushing a Political Agenda??? LYING to the families of troops for no other reason that YOUR political Agenda then attacking others for it. NOW folks THATS a NAZI! That''s a THIRD REICH, SWASTIKA TOTEN, NAZI!! Sieg Heil Bush!!
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    by speakinup March 11, 2008 7:54 AM PDT
    demslie - please don''t confuse McVet with the facts, he''s already made up his worthless mind.
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    by speakinup March 11, 2008 7:56 AM PDT
    When did you join the brown-shirts McVet ? You have the propaganda down. I thank God every day there are folks like you out there to keep us good people ever viligent against the sick of the world.
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    by speakinup March 11, 2008 7:58 AM PDT
    Aw com''on MCVet, don''t stroke out on us now...

    I''m not sure you pea brain is large enough to lose any cells and still operate at all.
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    by mcvet March 11, 2008 8:01 AM PDT
    When did you join the brown-shirts McVet ? You have the propaganda down. I thank God every day there are folks like you out there to keep us good people ever viligent against the sick of the world.


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    Posted by speakinup at 07:56 AM : Mar 11, 2008
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    What you think of me isn''t important here. I again say there are 935 LIES posted and documented.... that''s 935 times that the Bush Administration LIED to WE the PEOPLE to start a War. Now you say they??? Well I don''t really know what you are saying about them. You seem to be saying that because someone YOU don''t like MAY have given money to the group that did the research, we should ignore them... at least I think that''s your position. Regardless they ARE there and they are, EVERY LAST one of them LIES!! Now help me out here sparky!! Ready?! SIEG HEIL GRAND WIZARD!! You really aren''t the sharpest knife in the old drawer are you?? ROFLMAO
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    by underdogus March 11, 2008 8:02 AM PDT
    U.S.A. a disgrace...
    Posted by jerryomara ....move to an Islamic State...
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    by mcvet March 11, 2008 8:02 AM PDT
    Aw com''''on MCVet, don''''t stroke out on us now...

    I''''m not sure you pea brain is large enough to lose any cells and still operate at all.


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    Posted by speakinup at 07:58 AM : Mar 11, 2008
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    ROFLMAO My Brain isn''t in question here Sparky! I KNOW when I''ve been LIED too. YOU? Well you simply won''t address the issue! ROFLMAO Sieg Heil Bush!!
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    by jochitragman March 11, 2008 8:03 AM PDT
    The surge is working!!!
    The surge is working!!!
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    by mcvet March 11, 2008 8:05 AM PDT
    U.S.A. a disgrace...
    Posted by jerryomara ....move to an Islamic State...



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    Posted by underdogus at 08:02 AM : Mar 11, 2008
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    Why? Have you nazi''s gotten so bad that you will accept LIES and Deception, starting needless war''s, and not feel disgrace? I doubt that''s a reason for leaving the country. In fact I think I''d rather hang on to people who feel disgrace when being LIED to 935 times. They show a lot more courage and seem to be so much more American! Sieg Heil Bush!!
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    by bluestardad March 11, 2008 8:05 AM PDT
    OBAMA WILL GET AMERICA OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST!

    THE ISRAELI NEOCONS, OIL COMPANIES, HALIBURTON, AND BUSH DONT WANT AMERICA OUT!

    AMERICA STAND UP OR SHUT UP!

    START WAR CRIMES TRIALS NOW!
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    by speakinup March 11, 2008 8:10 AM PDT
    "ROFLMAO Sieg Heil Bush!! - McVet

    Look at that - we got a two fer - McVet uesd both of his favorite phrazes in one ''almost'' sentence.


    Have you ever strung a sentence together where you haven''t laughed your azz off McVet ?


    Seriously, you need new material... But, wait! in just another , what, 10 months - you''ll have a new target - McCain.


    Laugh your azz off - McVet - while the laughin is good. Soon it''ll be cryin your azz off.
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    by speakinup March 11, 2008 8:13 AM PDT
    MCVet - show me where the original article, that Soros and copmany put out, where it EVER uses the word ''lie''.


    It doesn''t brown-shirt!


    YOU are another Lie brought to us by the NAZIS of America. You wouldn''t know the truth is it stooped down to bite you in the azz. Grow a brain and join the human race.
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    by speakinup March 11, 2008 8:15 AM PDT
    blueballsdad - your children still in Iraq ? I''m willing to bet they are going to re-up, as they believe in the fight they are fighting, but you don''t.
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    by armydog2 March 11, 2008 8:25 AM PDT
    More blood on bush and cheney''s hands. The Soldiers are there for each other, they have each others back.They don''t believe in fighting for lies. They are there not for bush, they are there for each other.
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    by demslie March 11, 2008 8:34 AM PDT

    In the last month Muslim Terrorists have bombed IRAQ, Israel, the Phillipines, India, Egypt, Sir Lanka, Indonesia, Pakastan, and others. The one constant in all of it is, IRAN, Al Qaeda and Democrats have immediately excused the murder of women, children and American Soldiers by these "Angry Citizens". IRAN, Al Qaeda and Democrats state the exact same words in their hate speech by denouncing the United States and Blaming it all on Bush. In no other American Generation could Aid and Comfort be freely given by IRAN, Al Qaeda and Democrats to their friends, the Genocidal Muslim Terrorists. Harry Reid said, %u201CThe War is Lost%u201D, and there was an immediate increase in violence by Democrat motivated Terrorists that killed children and Americans. In any other generation, this would have been called Treason but today Democrats call it Patriotism. And this is the new %u201CChange for America%u201D that Saddam Hussein OBAMA, Hitlery and Democraps have promised us.
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    by skyk-2009 March 11, 2008 8:38 AM PDT
    In the last month Muslim Terrorists have bombed IRAQ, Israel, the Phillipines, India, Egypt, Sir Lanka, Indonesia, Pakastan, and others. The one constant in all of it is, IRAN, Al Qaeda and Democrats have immediately excused the murder of women, children and American Soldiers by these "Angry Citizens". IRAN, Al Qaeda and Democrats state the exact same words in their hate speech by denouncing the United States and Blaming it all on Bush. In no other American Generation could Aid and Comfort be freely given by IRAN, Al Qaeda and Democrats to their friends, the Genocidal Muslim Terrorists. Harry Reid said, %u201CThe War is Lost%u201D, and there was an immediate increase in violence by Democrat motivated Terrorists that killed children and Americans. In any other generation, this would have been called Treason but today Democrats call it Patriotism. And this is the new %u201CChange for America%u201D that Saddam Hussein OBAMA, Hitlery and Democraps have promised us.





    Posted by demslie at 08:34 AM : Mar 11, 2008
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    What is WRONG with you people? How ANYONE can blame the Democrat''s for this mess is beyond me!! Look as it''s been laid out to you so many times we are a nation without a leader. We are a nation who can not believe the Commander in Chief because he has lied to us so many times. The PARTY that has brought this to America is NOT the Democrats and blaming them is absolutely NUTS!!
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    by skyk-2009 March 11, 2008 8:40 AM PDT
    Have you ever strung a sentence together where you haven''''t laughed your azz off McVet ?


    Seriously, you need new material... But, wait! in just another , what, 10 months - you''''ll have a new target - McCain.


    Laugh your azz off - McVet - while the laughin is good. Soon it''''ll be cryin your azz off.



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    Posted by speakinup at 08:10 AM : Mar 11, 2008

    I noticed you didn''t have the courage to address the issue. I to have visited the site with the lies. I to have gone over all of them. NOT ONE of them is anything but a LIE! Now it would seem simply trying to pull this childish trash out of your past isn''t helping you at all here.
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    by mcvet March 11, 2008 8:50 AM PDT
    come on people u think the gov has to tell u everything my gov has been working for over 200 yrs and instead of people talkin trash maybe people should start stepping up.... honestly how many people here have voted


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    Posted by phieagles420 at 08:44 AM : Mar 11, 2008
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    I don''t think they have to tell me EVERYTHING but when they intend to kill my fellow citizens in a War, when they intend to take tax money WE desperately need to fight a War, I want to KNOW what I''m being told is at least somewhat the truth! Have you seen the site with the 935 lies told by the Bush Administration? NINE HUNDRED AND THIRTY FIVE times these freaks went out and BALD FACED LIED to us, scared the HELL out of us and for what? So they could fight a War that did NOT have to be. I''d say that goes a bit beyond anything close to NORMAL!! Sieg Heil Bush!!
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    by crater7 March 11, 2008 8:56 AM PDT
    demslie at 08:34am;

    YOUR COMMENT SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE DIE HARD REPUB. BLAME THE DEMOCRATS. OPEN YOUR EYES AND YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THE TREES IN THE FOREST.

    PENTAGON-SPONSORED STUDY, DUE TO BE RELEASED LATER THIS WEEK, SAYS;

    AN EXHAUSTIVE REVIEW FINDS NO LINK BETWEEN SADDAM AND al QAIDA.

    ANOTHER REPORT SAYS;

    THERE WERE 935 FALSE STATEMENTS AND INFORMATION BY THIS ADMINISTRATION LEADING UP TO THE IRAQ WAR.

    NO WMD''S

    NO YELLOW CAKE

    NO CHEMICAL WEAPONS

    OSAMA IS STILL ALIVE AND WELL.

    THE DEMOCRATS ARE NOT THE BAD GUYS HERE. THE BAD GUY''S HERE ARE YOUR SUPER HERO, GOD''S CHOSEN ONE, SELF PROCLAIMED PEACEMAKER, AND HIS ADMINISTRATION.

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    by samrensho March 11, 2008 9:03 AM PDT
    Any bets on what the US body count will be after McCain''s proposed 100 year occupation of Iraq?
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    by bobnjersey March 11, 2008 9:04 AM PDT
    [The PARTY that has brought this to America is NOT the Democrats and blaming them is absolutely NUTS!][Posted by skyk at 08:38 AM : Mar 11, 2008]

    the neocon mind always needs to have an enemy ... a boogey man somewhere in the world that threatens their belief that they are the one ... the annointed ... the great ones that all should emulate. the big bad muslim boogey man is the primary enemy of today (replacing the commies of yesterday) ... but when that runs quiet they''ll turn to the liberals and democrats as their default enemy.
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    by sumarongi March 11, 2008 9:07 AM PDT
    Statesmen - Concerned with the betterment and protection of life for the people who elected them.

    Politicians - Concerned with the betterment of those who donated lots of money to get them elected.

    Demopublican - The form of government now in place in America. Top heavy with politicians feeding at the Corporate trough.
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    by speakinup March 11, 2008 9:07 AM PDT
    So has it occured to you idots of the left, that if Bush had lied 936 times, why would he not plant WMD on site ?


    Tell me - why didn''t he plant WMDS if he was a liar ? I mean certainly if he had perople do all of the NAZI things that McVet claims, and had suicide bombers go into Pakistan as Feelfree1 claims - Bush COULD have put WMDs in IRAQ, Right???????


    So why didn''t he ? You claim he lied, so why didn''t he do this ??????



    You are all are nothing but a bunch of third rate fourth graders that have found out how to get on the web. Grow up... Get a brain!
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    by speakinup March 11, 2008 9:20 AM PDT
    Gee, what''s the matter - you don''t know how to answer to that incongruent little incovenient FACT do you ?????


    Proving ONCE AGAIN, the far left is NOTHING but a Bunch of liars!!!!!
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    by bobnjersey March 11, 2008 9:21 AM PDT
    [The FACT of the matter is, when the statments were made, they were thought to be the TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!]
    [Posted by speakinup at 09:02 AM : Mar 11, 2008]

    c''mon ... do you really believe this? do all those extra exclamation points make it any more true?

    have you read the downing street memo? Here''s one key piece that tells a completely different story than what you''re telling:

    "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy".

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    by speakinup March 11, 2008 9:37 AM PDT
    bobnjersey - what''s the matter, did you draw the short straw ?

    So, you and your ilk ask for the reason behind my reasoning - do I REALLY have to spell it out for you ? Are you THAT stupid ? To vindicate himself - I mean if he didn''t have any compunction about ''lying'' 935 times, why not a 936th time ?

    What possible reason would he have for wanting to go into Iraq in the first place unless Bush thought there were WMDs there to start with ?


    Try thinking for yourself every once in awhile Bob, you might find it refreshing.

    I know it hurts and is contrary to being a far left supporter, but sometimes it helps do that which is correct...
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    by speakinup March 11, 2008 9:43 AM PDT
    avoice - Vx agent is so virile that a quart bottle would be enought to kill every person in NYC - you don''t think he could get a quart bottle smuggled into Iraq ? And, surely the CIA has it, I mean according to Feelfree1, it used its own sucide bombers to cause the twin bombers in Pakistan...

    Com''on, lefties - were''s the logic of your arguments ?

    You claim he ''lied'' 935 times, when in FACT the original article NEVER used the word or any tense of the word ''lie''.

    Funny thing is, the article never mentioned how many times the li9berals made made the same mistaken statements!!!

    Gee, is that because the article was just a little bit of a SLANTED piece ?

    You fuggin sheep will follow Soros right over the cliff won''t you ?

    Start thinking for yourselves. Don''t let these liars throw words into your mouthes.


    BOTH Hillary and Bill made the SAME kinds of ''lies'' that Bush did 935 times. Gee, why weren''t THEY in the article ?
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    by cattlekate March 11, 2008 9:44 AM PDT
    It looks like someone is trying to underplay this news, for some reason.

    Didn''t even make FAUX news. Wonder why.

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    by roger_inkart March 11, 2008 9:47 AM PDT
    Proving ONCE AGAIN, the far left is NOTHING but a Bunch of liars!!!!!

    Posted by speakinup at 09:20 AM : Mar 11, 2008

    I think the advisors told Bush no one would care if little or no WMDs would be found. And if the war went well that might have been true. His staff was full of people who, for years, had wanted the US to invade Iraq. So one thing I am certain of:

    The threat from Iraq was greatly exagerated by the Bush administration in order to win support for the Iraq war. It really is that simple and it explains everything in regards to the alleged ''missing'' WMDs.
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    by iceman_1960 March 11, 2008 9:49 AM PDT
    "Tell me - why didn"t he plant WMDS if he was a liar ?"
    - Posted by speakinup at 09:07 AM : Mar 11, 2008
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    Why didn"t Bush go over there and do that personally ?

    Or order United States forces to do that ?

    If the latter, he knew he"d probably be caught. And the consequences of that would be fatal, politically.

    Bush is not the bravest knight in the tournament.
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    by roger_inkart March 11, 2008 9:50 AM PDT
    Start thinking for yourselves. Don''''t let these liars throw words into your mouthes.

    Posted by speakinup at 09:43 AM : Mar 11, 2008

    Boy, how ironic is it when Bush apologists start throwing around accusations of people not thinking for themselves?

    Look in the mirror, moron. You are the epitome of gullible. You swallow all the talking points and regurgitate them everywhere.

    You are a tool for your betters. And your blind loyalty is probably laughed at by those same people you tirelessly defend.
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    by iceman_1960 March 11, 2008 9:55 AM PDT
    "Start thinking for yourselves."
    - Posted by speakinup at 09:43 AM : Mar 11, 2008
    -----------------

    Posted by a guy who says, "If Bush did it, it must be right. Bush is infallible. If Bush says the earth is flat, only a lying leftie would claim it"s round."
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    by singingrick March 11, 2008 9:55 AM PDT



    Apparently the new Conservative definition of success in Iraq is a situation that moves from total chaos to mere chaos.






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    by armydog2 March 11, 2008 9:57 AM PDT
    Bush was too stupid and arrogant to plant wmd''s in Iraq after the invasion. After all God told him to go to war. king george has to be right, it is his way only. and the little neocon fools still buy into his spin.
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    by bobnjersey March 11, 2008 10:03 AM PDT
    [So, you and your ilk ask for the reason behind my reasoning - do I REALLY have to spell it out for you ? Are you THAT stupid ? To vindicate himself - I mean if he didn''''t have any compunction about ''''lying'''' 935 times, why not a 936th time ?]
    [Posted by speakinup at 09:37 AM : Mar 11, 2008]

    so ... you do have your own form of logic ... in contrast to aristotle? your logic is flawed ... and since you''re living in it you don''t see it.

    [What possible reason would he have for wanting to go into Iraq in the first place unless Bush thought there were WMDs there to start with ?]

    he''s a moron ... he thought god was speaking to him ... he was unconsciously making up for his father''s failure to oust saddam ... he had many around him who had an agenda in toppling the iraq government (preemptive doctrine, pnac, etc). does this provide enough reasons?


    [Try thinking for yourself every once in awhile Bob, you might find it refreshing.]

    i think this is good advice ... and it''s likely good advice for all to follow.

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    by bobnjersey March 11, 2008 10:04 AM PDT
    [BOTH Hillary and Bill made the SAME kinds of ''''lies'''' that Bush did 935 times. Gee, why weren''''t THEY in the article ?]
    [Posted by speakinup at 09:43 AM : Mar 11, 2008]

    my memory gets a bit fuzzier as i get older ... but if i''m not mistaken ... they didn''t wage any war on anybody.
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    by roger_inkart March 11, 2008 10:08 AM PDT
    Bush was too stupid and arrogant to plant wmd''s in Iraq after the invasion.

    Posted by armydog2 at 09:57 AM : Mar 11, 2008

    As you know weapons have signatures and other ways to ID them and trace their origins - even spent ones (i.e. bullets that can be traced back to the guns that fired them.) If there was any planting they would have to be flawless because it''s likely they would be scrutinized by those outside of the US government.

    And the fallout from finding planted WMD would be much worse for the Bush administration then simply not finding any at all. Morons like speakinup would still have a shred of hope that the Bush administration wasn''t totally deceitful and incompetent.
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    by stn_sage March 11, 2008 10:12 AM PDT
    I see we have yet another example this morning of how the ''surge''---a.k.a.escalation---is ''winning the war''!!

    For those of you who think this is success; normal, sane people call it what it really IS---failure!

    My condolences to the families/friends/loved ones of our killed military members.
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    by roger_inkart March 11, 2008 10:16 AM PDT
    al-Sadr, apparently, hasn''t renewed his ceasefire agreement and we are now, sadly, starting to see an increase in casualties again.

    I think it''s possible the alledged success of the surge owes more to this ceasefire then anything else. And what has the Iraqi government been doing in this time? Besides meeting with the leaders of Iran?

    The joke is on us - the US taxpayer. We are going broke because of the vanity and idiocy of the Bush administration. Jan 9 2009 can''t come soon enough.
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    by iceman_1960 March 11, 2008 10:17 AM PDT
    "Iraqis still ask if U.S. invasion was worth it

    March 11, 2008

    BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Five years after U.S. and British forces swept into Iraq and toppled Saddam Hussein, many Iraqis are asking if the violence and upheaval that turned their lives upside down was worth it.

    The human cost is staggering -- anywhere between 90,000 and 1 million Iraqi civilians killed, according to various estimates; nearly 4,000 U.S. soldiers dead; while 4 million Iraqis are displaced.

    On the bright side, Iraqis are rid of one of the 20th century''s most ruthless dictators. They held free elections and have a new constitution.

    For Iraqis, deciding if the invasion was worth the sacrifice depends partly on their sect and ethnicity and where they live."

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080311/ts_nm/iraq_war_dc_3


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