March 7, 2008
Hillary Clinton, Fratricidal Maniac
The New Republic: Hillary Clinton's Continued Run Is Damaging The Democrats' Chances
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Hillary Plays Hard Ball
"CBS News RAW": After wins in Ohio and Texas, Hillary Clinton discussed the upcoming election saying Barack Obama can only bring an outdated speech in an election against John McCain.
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Obama Plays Hard Ball
After failing to knock Hillary Clinton out of the presidential race, Barack Obama has become more aggressive in questioning her self-proclaimed capacity to lead by experience. Dean Reynolds reports.
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Dean: Voter Turnout Terrific
Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean says the Clinton-Obama battle is good politics. He also tells Harry Smith what could happen if Michigan and Florida delegates are counted.
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Hillary Clinton
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Barack Obama
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The morning after Tuesday's primaries, Hillary Clinton's campaign released a memo titled "The Path to the Presidency." I eagerly dug into the paper, figuring it would explain how Clinton would obtain the Democratic nomination despite an enormous deficit in delegates. Instead, the memo offered a series of arguments as to why Clinton should run against John McCain - i.e., "Hillary is seen as the one who can get the job done" - but nothing about how she actually could. Is she planning a third-party run? Does she think Obama is going to die? The memo does not say.
The reason it doesn't say is that Clinton's path to the nomination is pretty repulsive. She isn't going to win at the polls. Barack Obama has a lead of 144 pledged delegates. That may not sound like a lot in a 4,000-delegate race, but it is. Clinton's Ohio win reduced that total by only nine. She would need 15 more Ohios to pull even with Obama. She isn't going to do much to dent, let alone eliminate, his lead.
That means, as we all have grown tired of hearing, that she would need to win with superdelegates. But, with most superdelegates already committed, Clinton would need to capture the remaining ones by a margin of better than two to one. And superdelegates are going to be extremely reluctant to overturn an elected delegate lead the size of Obama's. The only way to lessen that reluctance would be to destroy Obama's general election viability, so that superdelegates had no choice but to hand the nomination to her. Hence her flurry of attacks, her oddly qualified response as to whether Obama is a Muslim ("not as far as I know"), her repeated suggestions that John McCain is more qualified.
Clinton's justification for this strategy is that she needs to toughen up Obama for the general election-if he can't handle her attacks, he'll never stand up to the vast right-wing conspiracy. Without her hazing, warns the Clinton memo, "Democrats may have a nominee who will be a lightening rod of controversy." So Clinton's offensive against the likely nominee is really an act of selflessness. And here I was thinking she was maniacally pursuing her slim thread of a chance, not caring - or possibly even hoping, with an eye toward 2012 - that she would destroy Obama's chances of defeating McCain in the process. I feel ashamed for having suspected her motives.
Still, there are a few flaws in Clinton's trial-by-smear method. The first is that her attacks on Obama are not a fair proxy for what he'd endure in the general election, because attacks are harder to refute when they come from within one's own party. Indeed, Clinton is saying almost exactly the same things about Obama that McCain is: He's inexperienced, lacking in substance, unequipped to handle foreign policy. As The Washington Monthly's Christina Larson has pointed out, in recent weeks the nightly newscasts have consisted of Clinton attacking Obama, McCain attacking Obama, and then Obama trying to defend himself and still get out his own message. If Obama's the nominee, he won't have a high-profile Democrat validating McCain's message every day.
Second, Obama can't "test" Clinton the way she can test him. While she likes to claim that she beat the Republican attack machine, it's more accurate to say that she survived with heavy damage. Clinton is a wildly polarizing figure, with disapproval ratings at or near 50 percent. But, because she earned the intense loyalty of core Democratic partisans, Obama has to tread gingerly around her vulnerabilities. There is a big bundle of ethical issues from the 1990s that Obama has not raised because he can't associate himself with what partisan Democrats (but not Republicans or swing voters) regard as a pure GOP witch hunt.
What's more, Clinton has benefited from a favorable gender dynamic that won't exist in the fall. (In the Democratic primary, female voters have outnumbered males by nearly three to two.) Clinton's claim to being a tough, tested potential commander-in-chief has gone almost unchallenged. Obama could reply that being First Lady doesn't qualify you to serve as commander-in-chief, but he won't quite say that, because feminists are an important chunk of the Democratic electorate. John McCain wouldn't be so reluctant.
Third, negative campaigning is a negative-sum activity. Both the attacker and the attackee tend to see their popularity drop. Usually, the victim's popularity drops farther than the perpetrator's, which is why negative campaigning works. But it doesn't work so well in primaries, where the winner has to go on to another election.
Clinton's path to the nomination, then, involves the following steps: kneecap an eloquent, inspiring, reform-minded young leader who happens to be the first serious African American presidential candidate (meanwhile cementing her own reputation for Nixonian ruthlessness) and then win a contested convention by persuading party elites to override the results at the polls. The plan may also involve trying to seat the Michigan and Florida delegations, after having explicitly agreed that the results would not count toward delegate totals. Oh, and her campaign has periodically hinted that some of Obama's elected delegates might break off and support her. I don't think she'd be in a position to defeat Hitler's dog in November, let alone a popular war hero.
Some Clinton supporters, like my friend (and historian) David Greenberg, have been assuring us that lengthy primary fights go on all the time and that the winner doesn't necessarily suffer a mortal wound in the process. But Clinton's kamikaze mission is likely to be unusually damaging. Not only is the opportunity cost - to wrap up the nomination, and spend John McCain into the ground for four months - uniquely high, but the venue could not be less convenient. Pennsylvania is a swing state that Democrats will almost certainly need to win in November, and Clinton will spend seven weeks and millions of dollars there making the case that Obama is unfit to set foot in the White House. You couldn't create a more damaging scenario if you tried.
Imagine in 2000, or 2004, that George W. Bush faced a primary fight that came down to Florida (his November must-win state). Imagine his opponent decided to spend seven weeks pounding home the theme that Bush had a dangerous plan to privatize Social Security. Would this have improved Bush's chances of defeating the Democrats? Would his party have stood for it?
By Jonathan Chait
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Posted by dinslc at 12:49 PM : Mar 07, 2008
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Hilary did none of that!! Look you are obviously one scared Fascist and you should be but the Democrat Party will decide which it will be and we''ll all get behind that person and move the nation forward. What OTHER choice do we have. The guy opposing them want''s to keep everything the same... that''s a non starter that''s for sure. Sieg Heil Bush
Please don''t compare Republicans and Democrats when it comes to political maneuvering and shenanigans. The Democrats don''t come even close.
I agree it''s a lost cause for Hillary but that''s her call. The fight for the nomination can''t get any more damaging to the chances of either candidate come November than it''s been from the beginning. Your concerns about the Democratic Party getting the short end of the stick in the general election as a result of this prolonged process seem a bit exaggerated.
Hillary is "being" exactly what we have.
Her "quality" and "tone" is just "more of the same."
Her "fight" stance is precisely why we have wars.
Her "fight" position pushes people to fight back.
"Fight" is how America is seen and how America is seen is in need of an overhaul.
Obama''s "quality" and "tone" stabilizes.
A steady, consistent, firm, positive pulse.
I don''t think we should allow Hillary Clinton to destroy.
I think she needs a very firm "No."
I think Mccain will win the national if Obama is the nominee. We already know everything about Hillary...and the Bill jokes are way over-tired. But I think we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg of Obama''s skeletons. From Nafta to rumors of gay *** with limo drivers to charges of his wife being a racist.....c''mon the Republicans can''t wait to get ahold of this guy.
Most people will vote based on emotion and not reason...so we will probably get the slick talker!
I will vote for Nader if Obama is the nominee and order my bumper sticker...."Don''t blame me I voted for Clinton!"
NOBAMA ''08
what i will do is i will vote for Barack, let come what may. voting for Hillary is like voting for rep
after 8 yrs or say 20 coz the rep controlled the house.this election could easily go to the reps- is it because we cant do something about it? i think not
democrats your vote has never been more important-use it wisely
Posted by hillsangels1 at 01:51 PM : Mar 07,
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i just have to google info from goverment sites to know what i want and i have been closely fwollowing the campaign. i saw how she won Michigan and Florida and i see how she comes demanding for the delegates to be seated and all sorry im not for Hillary. im sure you are a republican as she is, join her in praising john Macain
Posted by hillsangels1 at 01:51 PM : Mar 07,
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i just have to Google info from government sites to know what i want and i have been closely following the campaign. i saw how she won Michigan and Florida and i see how she comes demanding for the delegates to be seated and all sorry im not for Hillary. im sure you are a republican as she is, join her in praising john Macain
They also show 20% of White Demcrats will vote for McCain rather than Obama. The evaporation rate for Obama is great while low for Hillary.
Also, I agree, Republicans would love to go after Michelle Obama''s verging-on-racist comments.
Read the recent New Yorker articles on her.
Worse yet, Hillary thinks this is good. It is obvious that as far as she is concerned, it would be just fine to destroy Obama''s chances this year. It would simplyallow her to say "see, you should have picked me'', and come back in 2012.
My fiance and I were initially favorably inclined towards Billary, thinking of some possibility of capitalizing on Bill''s good foreign reputation. But their unethical, amoral, scorched earth policy in this campaign has turned me 100% against her. If she wins the nomination I''m working for McCain. If she wins the election, we''re moving to another country.
They also show 20% of White Demcrats will vote for McCain rather than Obama. The evaporation rate for Obama is great while low for Hillary.
Also, I agree, Republicans would love to go after Michelle Obama''''s verging-on-racist comments.
Read the recent New Yorker articles on her.
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mICHELE APOLOGISED AND SO DID mACAIN WHEn the radio show hos was apparently "working up people" before his arrival at a campaighn venue-how easily we forget
Worse yet, Hillary thinks this is good. She obviously sees no problem in destroying Obama''s chances this year. If she wins then great, if not, she just comes back in 2012 and says "see, you should have picked me"...
My fiance and I were initially favorably inclined towards Hillary and Bill, thinking of some possibility of capitalizing on Bill''s good foreign reputation. Even after becoming impressed by Obama''s substance and thoughtfulness, she seemed like a good option. But her unethical, amoral, scorched earth actions in this campaign have permanently turned us 100% against her.
If she wins the nomination I''m *working for* McCain. If she wins the election, we''re moving to another country.
However, the fact is that currently, including Florida but NOT Michigan, nation wide Mrs. Clinton has approximately 49.5% of the popular vote while Mr. Obama has approximately 50.5%. In over 26 million votes cast, there is a difference of less than 300,000 separating the two. Pennsylvania is slightly larger than Ohio and due to the increased importance of its primary it seems reasonable to believe it will have at least as much voter turnout as Ohio did. In Ohio, Mrs. Clinton beat Mr. Obama by about 230,000 votes.
He may have more pledged delegates but it is far from a certainty that Mr. Obama will have the majority of the popular vote at the convention.
I do NOT include Michigan because Mr. Obama''s name was not on the ballot so the results in that state are not properly measurable.
I include Florida because to ignore their votes is to see Mr. Obama''s lead from a rules-based, technical viewpoint, rather than a true, will of the people viewpoint. To adhere to a strict, rules-based viewpoint requires that one allow the superdelegates to do exactly what they are supposed to do, and support whichever candidate they want to, regardless of how other people have voted. To force them to vote as "the people" have voted makes their votes worthless and renders them irrelevant. Clearly this is what Mr. Obama hopes for and Mrs. Clinton wants to avoid.
I can not believe how irresponsible our media has been in reporting the truth about Obama. People, if you think Hillary has been hard on him for asking valid questions about his ability to be the next commander-in-chief, wait until the Republicans get to sink their teeth into him. There are important issues about him that have not been widely circulated in the news (they are not tabloid fodder). GET INFORMED before you name-call and tear others down, at least then you won''t sound foolish and you won''t make your candidate of choice more unappealing to intelligent, informed voters...
Some people could claim that Obama is tearing the Democratic party apart. Just think about it... and think with a cool head, not like some zealot that buys into slogans, pretty speeches and propaganda.
Our country''s future depends on an educated electorate. Get out there and demand better reporting from the media, and learn as much as you can about your candidate before we confirm the rest of the world''s idea that Americans are just a bunch of idiots.
Worse yet, Hillary thinks this is good. She obviously sees no problem in destroying Obama''s chances this year. If she wins then great, if not, she just comes back in 2012 and says "see, you should have picked me"...
My fiance and I were initially favorably inclined towards Hillary and Bill, thinking of some possibility of capitalizing on Bill''s good foreign reputation. Even after becoming impressed by Obama''s substance and thoughtfulness, she seemed like a good option. But her unethical, amoral, scorched earth actions in this campaign have permanently turned us 100% against her.
If she wins the nomination I''m *working for* McCain. If she wins the election, we''re moving to another country.
It''s so disappointing to see how some very very few journalists can pretend to fit that standard in country like the US. For an american who''s spent more than 20 years abroad I can tell you that we are one of the less sophisticated people on hearth, politically speaking. It''s not because we want to but because of the symbiotic relationship between corrupt politicians and ignorant journalists who evolve in an abject cretinism like the Jake Tapper from ABC, the Jessica Yellin or Wolff Blitzer from CNN (Clinton News Network) just to name the few.
It''s all about ratings. That leads us straight to a Jerry Springer format and it will get there sooner than we think.
Well I think Americans will have to watch less
Worse yet, Hillary thinks this is good. She obviously sees no problem in destroying Obama''s chances this year. If she wins then great, if not, she just comes back in 2012 and says "see, you should have picked me"...
My fiance and I were initially favorably inclined towards Hillary and Bill, thinking of some possibility of capitalizing on Bill''s good foreign reputation. Even after becoming impressed by Obama''s substance and thoughtfulness, she seemed like a good option. But her unethical, amoral, scorched earth actions in this campaign have permanently turned us 100% against her.
If she wins the nomination I''m *working for* McCain. If she wins the election, we''re moving to another country.
Indeed, the mianstream media would have waged a war against the big black guy brutalizing the gentle white woman
Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the votes showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals show. And her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama%u2019s.
Maybe the media, and some sharp, aggressive investigative reporters, and academics would like to look into this. I hear there has been an astonishingly high rate of this type of cheating of the DEMOCRATIC primary voters. Since few of these Republican voters plan to vote for Obama in November.
Sounds like a major scandal to me. And what can the DNC, and the super delegates do to correct this crime against Hillary Clinton supporters, and the Democratic party, and process.
Jacksmith...
Posted by herfan at 02:32 PM : Mar 07, 2008
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SPIN IT ROUND AND ROUND........................
oleander8: the Rs want nothing better to run against HRC -- she is the weakest candidate by far. First, she has 47% NEGATIVE rating, i.e., 47% of all likely voters say they WIL NOT vote for Hillary UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. Second, she is so polarizing that she will motivate every conservative to be sure get off their couches and vote AGAINST her. She is the one D candidate that the Rs can count on to generate an opposition turnout.
Xzonz: Rs voting for Obama to make trouble? You have it backwards. Rush Limbaugh agitated in the last weeks for the Rs to come out and vote for HRC to cause trouble, and the TX and OH numbers show that he had some success. The R-voting-in-the-D-primary voters were about even in TX&OH, vs about 60/40% Obama/HRC in other primaries. If you actually read the polls instead of making up stuff, you''d find that the Rs voting for Obama are actually impressed and are voting FOR him, not against someone else.
In fact, of the three, only McCain and Obama have the courage to take unpolular stands in front of crowds with opposing views.
The fact that this guy is on an accredited news-site is frightening.
Obviously you are an Obama fanatic, but you have to understand that POLITICS is now a very UNPREDICTABLE kind of game. Who would have thought that Hillary who used to be a strong frontrunning democratic candidate could stumble and had many times been near political death? November is still a loooong way to go and MANY things can HAPPEN. Nothing is certain anymore. Obama maybe riding high now but unforseen events may also derail his chances. His campaign maybe magical but how long can it be sustained? He doesn''t have a fallback on because HE DOES NOT have a record that is sooo REMARKABLE as to sustain him. My friends abroad were thinking that Obama may have done something HEROICS in the past to have merited this kind of adulation. But I told them that according to media reports he is very good at community organization. Then my friends commented : so a very good organizer can now be a very good credential to hold the toughest job in the world?
This is amy_2. this is a continuation of my comments above: So I would say that Obamamania is just magic, which in essence is empty. If I were in Hillary''s shoes, I would also fight him to the end because "magic" is not REAL. With all the problems that America is facing, people may just wake up one day (not favorable to Obama if this happens before November) and realize that you don''t need magic, charisma and good rhetorics to solve America''s problems. Just like a newly married couple, when the honeymoon (magic) is over then you go thru the realities of life. Maybe reality had set in already with Ohio and Texas that is why they voted for Hillary (maybe the magic is starting to wane)
This style of overly enthusiatic, biased coverage is exactly what has caused the problems with the MSM today. I''m completely dismayed and tired of those in the formerly respected field of journalism using their resources to influence the outcome of matters of such grave importance as a presidential election.
I''d urge anyone as equally disgusted with this type of coverage as I am to start writing your legislators for passage of Sen. Dorgan''s Resolution of Disapproval (SJ Res. 28) forthwith, as well as writing the FCC re: the same.
HOWEVER, I CANNOT vote for Barack Obama for president or vice president. Sorry.
If Hillary Rodham Clinton is the democratic nomination - she NEEDS to have a black, female for her running mate....NOT Barack Obama.
If the democratic ticket ends up as:
Clinton - President
Obama - Vice President
I will have to vote a republican ticket instead...I CANNOT vote for Barack Obama in any position.
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South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford would make a great running mate for McCain.
McCain - President
Sanford - Vice President
i will vote for HRC or McCain no other.
Frank Bowers of Austin, Tx
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