September 22, 2009 11:13 AM

Hillary Clinton, Fratricidal Maniac

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(The New Republic)  This column was written by Jonathan Chait.

The morning after Tuesday's primaries, Hillary Clinton's campaign released a memo titled "The Path to the Presidency." I eagerly dug into the paper, figuring it would explain how Clinton would obtain the Democratic nomination despite an enormous deficit in delegates. Instead, the memo offered a series of arguments as to why Clinton should run against John McCain - i.e., "Hillary is seen as the one who can get the job done" - but nothing about how she actually could. Is she planning a third-party run? Does she think Obama is going to die? The memo does not say.

The reason it doesn't say is that Clinton's path to the nomination is pretty repulsive. She isn't going to win at the polls. Barack Obama has a lead of 144 pledged delegates. That may not sound like a lot in a 4,000-delegate race, but it is. Clinton's Ohio win reduced that total by only nine. She would need 15 more Ohios to pull even with Obama. She isn't going to do much to dent, let alone eliminate, his lead.

That means, as we all have grown tired of hearing, that she would need to win with superdelegates. But, with most superdelegates already committed, Clinton would need to capture the remaining ones by a margin of better than two to one. And superdelegates are going to be extremely reluctant to overturn an elected delegate lead the size of Obama's. The only way to lessen that reluctance would be to destroy Obama's general election viability, so that superdelegates had no choice but to hand the nomination to her. Hence her flurry of attacks, her oddly qualified response as to whether Obama is a Muslim ("not as far as I know"), her repeated suggestions that John McCain is more qualified.

Clinton's justification for this strategy is that she needs to toughen up Obama for the general election-if he can't handle her attacks, he'll never stand up to the vast right-wing conspiracy. Without her hazing, warns the Clinton memo, "Democrats may have a nominee who will be a lightening rod of controversy." So Clinton's offensive against the likely nominee is really an act of selflessness. And here I was thinking she was maniacally pursuing her slim thread of a chance, not caring - or possibly even hoping, with an eye toward 2012 - that she would destroy Obama's chances of defeating McCain in the process. I feel ashamed for having suspected her motives.

Still, there are a few flaws in Clinton's trial-by-smear method. The first is that her attacks on Obama are not a fair proxy for what he'd endure in the general election, because attacks are harder to refute when they come from within one's own party. Indeed, Clinton is saying almost exactly the same things about Obama that McCain is: He's inexperienced, lacking in substance, unequipped to handle foreign policy. As The Washington Monthly's Christina Larson has pointed out, in recent weeks the nightly newscasts have consisted of Clinton attacking Obama, McCain attacking Obama, and then Obama trying to defend himself and still get out his own message. If Obama's the nominee, he won't have a high-profile Democrat validating McCain's message every day.

Second, Obama can't "test" Clinton the way she can test him. While she likes to claim that she beat the Republican attack machine, it's more accurate to say that she survived with heavy damage. Clinton is a wildly polarizing figure, with disapproval ratings at or near 50 percent. But, because she earned the intense loyalty of core Democratic partisans, Obama has to tread gingerly around her vulnerabilities. There is a big bundle of ethical issues from the 1990s that Obama has not raised because he can't associate himself with what partisan Democrats (but not Republicans or swing voters) regard as a pure GOP witch hunt.

What's more, Clinton has benefited from a favorable gender dynamic that won't exist in the fall. (In the Democratic primary, female voters have outnumbered males by nearly three to two.) Clinton's claim to being a tough, tested potential commander-in-chief has gone almost unchallenged. Obama could reply that being First Lady doesn't qualify you to serve as commander-in-chief, but he won't quite say that, because feminists are an important chunk of the Democratic electorate. John McCain wouldn't be so reluctant.

Third, negative campaigning is a negative-sum activity. Both the attacker and the attackee tend to see their popularity drop. Usually, the victim's popularity drops farther than the perpetrator's, which is why negative campaigning works. But it doesn't work so well in primaries, where the winner has to go on to another election.

Clinton's path to the nomination, then, involves the following steps: kneecap an eloquent, inspiring, reform-minded young leader who happens to be the first serious African American presidential candidate (meanwhile cementing her own reputation for Nixonian ruthlessness) and then win a contested convention by persuading party elites to override the results at the polls. The plan may also involve trying to seat the Michigan and Florida delegations, after having explicitly agreed that the results would not count toward delegate totals. Oh, and her campaign has periodically hinted that some of Obama's elected delegates might break off and support her. I don't think she'd be in a position to defeat Hitler's dog in November, let alone a popular war hero.

Some Clinton supporters, like my friend (and historian) David Greenberg, have been assuring us that lengthy primary fights go on all the time and that the winner doesn't necessarily suffer a mortal wound in the process. But Clinton's kamikaze mission is likely to be unusually damaging. Not only is the opportunity cost - to wrap up the nomination, and spend John McCain into the ground for four months - uniquely high, but the venue could not be less convenient. Pennsylvania is a swing state that Democrats will almost certainly need to win in November, and Clinton will spend seven weeks and millions of dollars there making the case that Obama is unfit to set foot in the White House. You couldn't create a more damaging scenario if you tried.

Imagine in 2000, or 2004, that George W. Bush faced a primary fight that came down to Florida (his November must-win state). Imagine his opponent decided to spend seven weeks pounding home the theme that Bush had a dangerous plan to privatize Social Security. Would this have improved Bush's chances of defeating the Democrats? Would his party have stood for it?
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by b-easy63 March 10, 2008 5:12 PM EDT
Ooops. Ireland says Clinton not truthful about her role in Ireland. Lol


Irish blast Clinton''s foreign policy claim

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BELFAST, Northern Ireland, March 9 (UPI) -- David Trimble, who helped broker peace in Northern Ireland said Sen. Hillary Clinton''s role in those negotiations was that of a cheerleader, not a participant.

Presidential contender Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., told CNN Wednesday that she "helped bring peace to Northern Ireland" as foreign policy experience becomes the latest issue in the Democratic presidential race.

"I don''t know there was much she did apart from accompanying Bill (Clinton) going around," Trimble said, adding, "I don''t want to rain on the thing for her but being a cheerleader for something is slightly different from being a principal player," The Sunday Telegraph reported.

Conall McDevitt, who served as the chief negotiator during the Good Friday Agreement talks that ended the conflict between England and Northern Ireland, said there was "no contact with her" during the negotiating processes. "So in a classic woman politicky sort of way I think she was active ... She was certainly investing some time, no doubt about it. Whether she was involved on the issue side I think probably not," McDevitt said.

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/03/09/irish_blast_clintons_foreign_policy_claim/9676/


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by jesterbelle March 10, 2008 4:29 PM EDT
Hey Candida and Rowdy--don''''''''t ever say I did not give you anything? ENJOY!!!

Posted by b-easy63 at 12:28 AM : Mar 10, 2008



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Posted by b-easy63 at 12:36 PM : Mar 10, 2008

Sheesh!shades of George Bush.It was pleasent though.Like reading the script for a Keystone Cops movie.Hmmm,PA. is the Keystone state,got to be a joke there somewhere,LOL Been having a heck of a time getting back here.The link for this story is gone from CBSs main page.
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by b-easy63 March 10, 2008 3:48 PM EDT
cCain & HRC are both ardent Israel before the US supporters; Obama is not. US presidents are required to support Israel above all else, including the US.

Obama''''s failure to march in lockstep with AIPAC (Israel) may not only cost him the presidency, it may cost him his life. The last president to actively oppose Israel was JFK. And, we know what happened to him. We just don''''t know who did it. . .

Posted by tuckerndfw at 12:42 PM : Mar 10, 2008


Actually, Hilary is not an ardent supporter of Israel or anything else (except maybe kids) When she was running for the Senator position. She almost cost herself the nomination by going on televison in Palestine and stating that the Palestinians deserved their own state and should be free of oppression. Major damage control had to be done before she was forgiven for that. I think, if elected, those who favor Israel, will find that they do not necessarily have a true believer in Hilary--though she may wait for the second term--before she shows them just how much she favors the people they oppress instead of Israel.
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by jesterbelle March 10, 2008 3:46 PM EDT
Trying to track it down.Back in a few.
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by b-easy63 March 10, 2008 3:36 PM EDT
Finally, a really close look at the demeanor and interaction of Hitlery supporters. Seems she does not inspire peace or even decent employees. But her campaign mgr says it is not her fault--she has never managed anything this big before.

As if he does not have a clue that the US is far bigger and his candidate is campaigning under the so called aura of experience:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/us
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Hey Candida and Rowdy--don''''t ever say I did not give you anything? ENJOY!!!

Posted by b-easy63 at 12:28 AM : Mar 10, 2008
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by jesterbelle March 10, 2008 3:35 PM EDT
Geez,the spyware on this site is ridiculous.You probably don''t notice it if you''re on cable or DSL.I''m on dial up,and I have to kepp my spyware program running in the background,otherwise it locks up.Everytime you change a page here,you get a nice new batch of tracking cookies.
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by b-easy63 March 10, 2008 3:33 PM EDT
Been fixing lunch.
No,I haven''''t.Is it on here?bBefore I look at it though,I want to know if it''''s something that''''s going to sicken me.I''''m in a fairly good mood today,and I don''''t want to flock it up.LOL

Posted by jesterbelle at 12:24 PM : Mar 10, 2008


I posted it last night. Going to find it for you...
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by jesterbelle March 10, 2008 3:30 PM EDT
So get busy acting strong or get picked off. I''''m starting to lose patience too.



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Posted by b-easy63 at 12:21 PM : Mar 10, 2008

Ditto!
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by b-easy63 March 10, 2008 3:29 PM EDT
Her "I''''m a survivor at all costs", victimize-me-once shame-on-you; twice-shame-on-me attitude has driven her to become a thuggish, muggish personality and a ruthless, brutal politician. She''''s angry and wants retribution by defeating a man, any man for the highest office in the U.S. That feeds right into her self-righteous, give-me-justice-because-I-deserve-it belief. And it shows up in her dominant, "always kick their *** and let them know who''''s boss" angry persona. She''''s a political hit-woman and would have done well working for Al Capone. Posted by rigpa44 at 12:16 PM : Mar 10, 2008

You are wrong about Hilary thinking she is a victim. She is no one''s victim--but if the card can work for her--she will play it. Rumor has it, that she not only never cared if Bill cheated, but orchestrated many cheats, handled the fallout and even helped to minimize or even do damage control. They say she is not even interested in him sexually. All goals were for the WH someday and her as the first President, and if she has to, she''ll become Mother Teresa and ascend from the heavens for votes--just as soon as she can find a harness that won''t show up too much on camera.
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by b-easy63 March 10, 2008 3:25 PM EDT
They will offer Obama the VP and if he refuses, his political career will be over. The Dems will destroy him for refusing to support their agenda and chosen candidate.

He may have a future as an independent, but if he refuses to be HRC''''s VP, his political future as a Dem is over.

Political parties and the mafia are roughly equivalent.

I''''m anticipating casting my vote for McCain. It appears the Democratic "leadership" (used very, very loosely) appears to be determined to force their Queen on voters regardless who voters try to choose.




Not correct. They will fear him as they do Lieberman. He draws too many and even as an Independent he could Ralph Nader them--so they will keep him really close--put him in lots of committees and continually dangle carrots of advancement or power to him while steadily indoctrinating him into the status quo and trying to corrupt him so that they can have leverage.

The Dems have learned--Keep your friends close, your enemies closer--they did not dispatch Ted Kennedy into the Obama Camp for nothing. who do you think will whisper to Obama that VP would be excellent for him and he should do it for the good of the party? Why the great Senator he trusts, who promises him only a brief detour of about 8 years from Camelot.
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