JERUSALEM, March 5, 2008

Mideast Peace Talks To Resume

Secretary Of State Rice Prods Palestinian President To Back Off Gaza Truce Ultimatum

    • In this photo released by the Palestinian Authority, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas walks with U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in the Palestinian presidential headquarters in the West Bank city of Ramallah, March 4, 2008. Photo

      In this photo released by the Palestinian Authority, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas walks with U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in the Palestinian presidential headquarters in the West Bank city of Ramallah, March 4, 2008.  (AP Photo/Palestinian Authority)

    • Israeli soldiers, one holding the Israeli flag, return from the Gaza Strip to a staging area along the Israel-Gaza border, Tuesday, March 4, 2008. Photo

      Israeli soldiers, one holding the Israeli flag, return from the Gaza Strip to a staging area along the Israel-Gaza border, Tuesday, March 4, 2008.  (AP Photo/Ariel Schalit)

    • Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, right, meets with U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice at the Presidential palace in Cairo, Egypt, Tuesday, March 4, 2008. talks focused on Israeli-Palestinian peace talks. Photo

      Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, right, meets with U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice at the Presidential palace in Cairo, Egypt, Tuesday, March 4, 2008. talks focused on Israeli-Palestinian peace talks.  (AP Photo/Amr Nabil)

    • A Palestinian man examines the damage to his house destroyed in an Israeli missile strike overnight, in the Northern Gaza Strip town of Jebaliya, March 3, 2008. In the early hours of Monday, Palestinians counted nine separate Israeli airstrikes on weapons manufacturing and storage facilities, a Hamas headquarters and groups of gunmen, all over Gaza. Five Palestinians were killed in the strikes, all of them Hamas militants. Photo

      A Palestinian man examines the damage to his house destroyed in an Israeli missile strike overnight, in the Northern Gaza Strip town of Jebaliya, March 3, 2008. In the early hours of Monday, Palestinians counted nine separate Israeli airstrikes on weapons manufacturing and storage facilities, a Hamas headquarters and groups of gunmen, all over Gaza. Five Palestinians were killed in the strikes, all of them Hamas militants.  (AP Photo/Khalil Hamra)

    • Israelis take cover after a rocket fired from the Gaza Strip by Palestinian militants hit a building in Ashkelon, Israel, March 3, 2008. Three rockets hit the city of 120,000 on Monday morning, with one hitting an apartment building. Photo

      Israelis take cover after a rocket fired from the Gaza Strip by Palestinian militants hit a building in Ashkelon, Israel, March 3, 2008. Three rockets hit the city of 120,000 on Monday morning, with one hitting an apartment building.  (AP Photo/Ariel Schalit)

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(CBS/AP)  U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Wednesday that the Palestinians and Israel plan to return to the negotiating table.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas broke off talks at the beginning of the week to protest an exceptionally deadly Israeli military assault in the Gaza Strip, where militants affiliated with the ruling Islamic Hamas movement have been barraging southern Israel with rockets.

"I have been informed by the parties that they intend to resume negotiations and are in contact with one another as to how to bring this about," Rice said at a news conference in Jerusalem following a meeting with Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni.

Abbas backed off remarks he made earlier in the day, when he said he would not resume negotiations until Israel reaches a truce in the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip. "The peace process is a strategic choice and we have the intention of resuming the peace process,'' he said in a statement.

He did not say when talks would restart, but Rice said in Jerusalem that a U.S. general overseeing implementation of "the road map" peace plan would hold his first joint meeting with Israelis and Palestinians next week.

At a news conference alongside her Israeli counterpart, Tzipi Livni, in Jerusalem, Rice declined to call for a truce, and urged Hamas to halt its rocket fire.

In January, President Bush appointed Lt. Gen. William Fraser III to monitor both sides' compliance with the road map, a milestone-based plan that has been the basis of talks that resumed in November after a seven-year break.

Both sides, Rice said, need to carry out road map obligations to have "robust" peace negotiations. The plan's initial stage calls on Israel to stop settlement activity and obliges the Palestinians to clamp down on militants. Abbas, however, controls only the West Bank and has no influence over Gaza, which has been ruled by Hamas since a violent takeover in June.

The return to negotiations has been troubled by violence and continued Israeli construction on lands the Palestinians claim for a future state. Tensions peaked over the past week after Gaza militants extended the range of their fire closer to Israel's center, and Israel struck back with an assault that Gaza officials say killed more than 120 Palestinians, including dozens of civilians.

Confidence-building measures have been critical to the peacemaking, and Rice asserted Wednesday that "we do need to have improvements on the ground."

"The negotiations must be started, but after the truce," Abbas had said earlier in the day. "Once the truce is achieved the road will be open for negotiations."

He said Rice told him she would send an envoy to Egypt, which often mediates between Israel and Hamas. "There are real efforts being exerted by Egypt for the truce," Abbas said.

Although Abbas did not mention Hamas by name, his aides said the Islamic group must clearly be part of a deal. Hamas seized control of Gaza from Abbas' forces last year, and he wields little influence in the area.

The aides said Abbas has proposed a package in which Hamas halts its relentless rocket barrages on southern Israel if Israel ends its attacks on Palestinian militants and Egypt reopens its border with Gaza. It was not said whether the proposal would factor in to discussions with Fraser next week.

Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev declined to discuss the parameters of any possible deal but suggested Israel could be open to a cease-fire. "If they were not shooting at our civilian population, we would not have to respond," he said.

During the recent fighting, Hamas fired rockets deeper into Israel than ever before. Israeli officials fear that Hamas will use the lull of a cease-fire to rearm.

Rice met earlier Wednesday with Palestinian peace negotiators, hoping to persuade them to resume talks. CBS News correspondent Robert Berger reports it was the last of a two-day "rescue mission" by Rice, who seemed set to return to Washington having won no solid concessions from either side.

A day earlier, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas pointedly resisted Rice's pressure to return to the negotiating table, saying Israel had to first "halt its aggression" - a reference to the recent military operations against Gaza rocket squads.

Privately, Palestinian officials have said Abbas is open to renewing talks, but because of domestic pressures, will have to wait several days to do so. But before Rice met with Palestinian officials, on Wednesday, no such message had been delivered to her or Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, they said.

Much is expected to depend on the level of violence in Gaza in the coming days. Gaza was quiet Wednesday, and there were no reports of Palestinian rocket fire on southern Israel.

The most recent violence came Tuesday night, as about 25 Israeli armored vehicles rumbled into southern Gaza and clashed with militants. A 1-month-old baby was killed in the crossfire, a medical official said.

The Israeli tanks fired shells and attack helicopters fired missiles during the clashes, Palestinian witnesses said.

Rice met with Olmert late Tuesday and had meetings scheduled with Israel's foreign and defense ministers Wednesday before departing for Europe.

While urging Abbas to resume the talks, she also asked the Israelis to do all they could to avoid civilian casualties in Gaza. Israel's Yediot Ahronot newspaper also said she promoted the idea of a cease-fire between Israel and Palestinian fighters affiliated with Hamas, the Islamic group that rules Gaza.

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This is a process that always takes two steps forward and one step back. We just need to make sure that it's just one step back.

President Bush
After meeting Abbas on Tuesday, Rice told a news conference that negotiations between moderate Palestinians and the Israelis are the only solution. At the same time, she defended Israel's right to seek out militants who use Gaza to launch rockets at southern Israel.

"I understand the difficulties of the current moment," she said. "We all must keep an eye on what is important."

In remarks made Tuesday, Rice laid the blame for the stalled peace talks squarely at the feet of Hamas. "Negotiations are going to have to be able to withstand the efforts of rejectionists to upset them, to create chaos and violence, so that people react by deciding not to negotiate," Rice said in Egypt at the start of her two day visit to the region.

Abbas is locked in a bitter rivalry with Hamas, which violently seized control of Gaza last June after routing his forces. Still, Abbas claims to be the leader of Gaza, and he suspended peace talks earlier this week to protest Israel's latest crackdown there. Palestinian hospital officials say more than half the dead in Gaza were civilians.

At Tuesday's news conference, Rice won no public promise that Palestinians would end their boycott soon. Abbas is not expected to relent before Rice leaves the Middle East.

"I call on the Israeli government to halt its aggression so the necessary environment can be created to make negotiations succeed, for us and for them, to reach the shores of peace in 2008," Abbas said.

He was referring to the goal - stated at a U.S.-sponsored Mideast peace conference in November - of reaching an Israeli-Palestinian peace treaty by the end of the year.

"No one can under any kind of pretext justify what the Israeli military have conducted over the past days," an angry Abbas told reporters, with Rice at his side.

The best Rice got from Abbas during their joint public appearance in Ramallah was affirmation that his government remains pledged to the peace path charted by President Bush last fall. The negotiations are supposed to yield a deal outlining an independent Palestinian state.

The violence transformed Rice's scheduled mission. Instead of trying to encourage the peace talks, she was forced to try to restore them.

The Bush administration has staked peace hopes on Abbas' West Bank government, while freezing out Hamas, which is pledged to Israel's destruction.

In Washington, Mr. Bush said he remains optimistic.

With only 10 months left in his presidency, Mr. Bush said Tuesday he still believes there is "plenty of time" to get a Mideast peace deal before his term ends.

"This is a process that always takes two steps forward and one step back," Mr. Bush said after meeting at the White House with Jordan's King Abdullah II. "We just need to make sure that it's just one step back."

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by samrensho March 5, 2008 5:36 AM PST
What has KindaSleezy done since she''s been in office??? She pi$$es off tax payer money but accomplishes nothing. A waste of space just like the Shrub.
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by skyk-2009 March 5, 2008 6:17 AM PST
This is a process that always takes two steps forward and one step back. We just need to make sure that it''s just one step back.

President Bush

Could someone tell me WHERE this Administration has taken any steps FORWARD? President Clinton had these people a lot closer to a deal that Sir Lies-A-Lot has EVER gotten them. All this Administration will ever be remember for is FAILURE. One after the next after the next after the next.
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by mcvet March 5, 2008 6:34 AM PST
Will the embarrassment of the Bush Administration ever end?
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by sara27155 March 5, 2008 7:34 AM PST
george2221. So Israel must stop defending itself. As long as Hamas persists in hiding among civilians there will be civilian casualties. Egypt does not trust Hamas and will continue to refuse to open their border to them. When Hamas crashed through the Egyptian border just a few weeks ago they were holding up shopkeepers at gunpoint. They were driving Egyptians out of their homes and shops until the Egyptian military came and forced them back across the border. Hamas'' goal was to gain more weapons. It was obvious they had little care about whether the civilians of Gaza had food or fuel. Something you have so conveniently forgotten is that Israel withdrew completely from Gaza, giving the Palestinaians the opportunity to demonstrate good faith and the willingness to bargain in truth and faith. However Hamas again reiteriated its intent to destroy Israel. Hamas murdered all members of the PA when they took over Gaza. And from that day Israel has had to live with rockets flying into their country. Israel doesn''t have to "dream up excuses". Hamas gives them the right to defend themselves every day they send rockets into civilian areas.
But thats right people like you support the cowardly Hamas who use infants and children as shields.
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by moses2008-2009 March 5, 2008 7:42 AM PST
Who wants peace with a former terrorist that financed the killing of 11 sports man in the Munich Olympic games 1972?
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by moses2008-2009 March 5, 2008 7:53 AM PST
While PA "president" Mahmoud Abbas and his prime minister, Salam Fayyad enjoy Western support, they have very little from their own organization. These two have no internal base of support. Even the very tiny group of those who can be called moderate is split since, for example, Ahmad Khouri (Abu Ala), is quarreling with Abbas. Why should Israel sign a peace contract with one who can hardly controll it''s back-yard?
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by ghomes1 March 5, 2008 8:24 AM PST
Hey singinrick,

If God was protecting his people why did he allow

the Christians to exterminate like 6 million of them in

World War 2. (Hypocrite)
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by displeased March 5, 2008 8:25 AM PST
-Actually that''''s what the Islamic Jihadists need to do, but that''''s impossible when you''''re following a false god (an idol) in "allah" the crescent moon god of mecca, and you are brainwashed by the false deceiving religion of islam.
Posted by singinrick

That''s probably what they say about your religion. Who says your god or any god isn''t false?
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by ghomes1 March 5, 2008 8:27 AM PST
Allah = "God" in Arabic not moon god, moon god in Arabic

would be qamar allah.

Also, Arab Christians use ALLAH all the time

singinrick, stop spreading lies, Christians are very

good at that
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by ghomes1 March 5, 2008 8:30 AM PST
The Bible was not revealed in English...

So no you dont understand it, and yes Hitler was a

Christian (STOP LYING)
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by displeased March 5, 2008 8:30 AM PST
Bible prophecy to a T, and I''''m not a hypocrite.
Posted by singinrick

Bible prophecy to a T, depending how you interpret it.
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by ghomes1 March 5, 2008 8:32 AM PST
Have you ever traveled outside of the U.S.?

Type "Christian Arabs" in Youtube and notice how they

use Allah lol, you are really ignorant



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by quetzal0666 March 5, 2008 8:32 AM PST
Hitler wrote: "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." As a boy, Hitler attended to the Catholic church and experienced the anti-Semitic attitude of his culture. In his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler reveals himself as a fanatical believer in God and country. This text presents selected quotes from the infamous anti-Semite himself. .....
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by rowdytexan2 March 5, 2008 8:33 AM PST
"Abbas suspended U.S.-backed peace talks earlier this week to protest Israel''s crackdown in Gaza, and Rice has been trying to get the sides to resume negotiations during her current visit."

Actually, what she''s doing is encouraging the Israeli''s not to make peace by using the excuse that Hamas are terrorists. As usual it''s just an excuse for the Neocons to block any type of peace in the Middle East.
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by ghomes1 March 5, 2008 8:36 AM PST
Hitler wrote: "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." As a boy, Hitler attended to the Catholic church and experienced the anti-Semitic attitude of his culture. In his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler reveals himself as a fanatical believer in God and country. This text presents selected quotes from the infamous anti-Semite himself. .....

Thanks to-- Quetzal0666

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by quetzal0666 March 5, 2008 8:36 AM PST
We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls.... We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Passau, 27 October 1928, Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall''s The Holy Reich]
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by quetzal0666 March 5, 2008 8:38 AM PST
Except the Lord built the house they labour in vain.... The truth of that text was proved if one looks at the house of which the foundations were laid in 1918 and which since then has been in building.... The world will not help, the people must help itself. Its own strength is the source of life. That strength the Almighty has given us to use; that in it and through it we may wage the battle of our life.... The others in the past years have not had the blessing of the Almighty-- of Him Who in the last resort, whatever man may do, holds in His hands the final decision. Lord God, let us never hesitate or play the coward, let us never forget the duty which we have taken upon us.... We are all proud that through God''s powerful aid we have become once more true Germans.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in March 1933

[Note, "Except the Lord built the house, they labour in vain" comes from Psalms 127:1 ]
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by ghomes1 March 5, 2008 8:38 AM PST
I think German is more closer to Aramaic then English, so Hitlers understanding of the Bible must have been better then your singinrick hahaha

Also, I know Arabic which is very close to Aramaic so my understanding of the original text is way better than yours... oo btw Im not Arab :)
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by skyk-2009 March 5, 2008 8:39 AM PST
Hitler was an anti-Christ, not a Christian. If you don''''t think I''''ve heard this sick propaganda before, you are sadly mistaken buddy.


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Posted by singinrick at 08:34 AM : Mar 05, 2008
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Go get a copy of Mein Kamp and stop being so ignorant!! You people really need to educate yourself somewhat. By the way you said something yesterday that HAD to be the most racist thing I''ve ever heard in my life. Sarge said that our founders were LIBERAL''s, which they were. YOU came back with Washington was a "Christian" who believed in Christ thus he could NOT have been a Liberal. Just WHO the Helll do you think was on the front lines against all those Christian "conservatives" during the 60''s? Without a doubt they were LIBERAL and YES they WERE Christian''s! You people make me sick with your bigotry and racism.
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by quetzal0666 March 5, 2008 8:39 AM PST
The Catholic Church considered the Jews pestilent for fifteen hundred years, put them in ghettos, etc, because it recognized the Jews for what they were".... I recognize the representatives of this race as pestilent for the state and for the church and perhaps I am thereby doing Christianity a great service by pushing them out of schools and public functions.

-Adolf Hitler, 26 April 1933, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall''s The Holy Reich]
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by quetzal0666 March 5, 2008 8:40 AM PST
We want honestly to earn the resurrection of our people through our industry, our perseverance, our will. We ask not of the Almighty ''Lord, make us free''!-- we want to be active, to work, to agree together as brothers, to strive in rivalry with one another to bring about the hour when we can come before Him and when we may ask of Him: ''Lord, Thou seest that we have transformed ourselves, the German people is not longer the people of dishonour, of shame, of war within itself, of faintheartedness and little faith: no, Lord, the German people has become strong again in spirit, strong in will, strong in endurance, strong to bear all sacrifices.'' ''Lord, we will not let Thee go: bless now our fight for our freedom; the fight we wage for our German people and Fatherland.''

-Adolf Hitler, giving prayer in a speech on May Day 1933
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by quetzal0666 March 5, 2008 8:42 AM PST
We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933

[This statement clearly refutes modern Christians who claim Hitler as favoring atheism.]
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by quetzal0666 March 5, 2008 8:43 AM PST
While we destroyed the Centre Party, we have not only brought thousands of priests back into the Church, but to millions of respectable people we have restored their faith in their religion and in their priests. The union of the Evangelical Church in a single Church for the whole Reich, the Concordat with the Catholic Church, these are but milestones on the road which leads to the establishment of a useful relation and a useful co operation between the Reich and the two Confessions.
-Adolf Hitler, in his New Year Message on 1 Jan. 1934
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by sara27155 March 5, 2008 8:43 AM PST
George just a few websites you may want to peruse at your leisure.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=374_1180813358
http://www.beyondimages.info/b103.html
http://www.afsi.org/arablies.htm
http://www.zionism-israel.com/vic/Terror_1967_1993.htm
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by ghomes1 March 5, 2008 8:43 AM PST
singinrick, You will never have a clue until you read

the original bible that Jesus revealed not the one that

Paul wrote. OO wait it does not exist today LOL
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by quetzal0666 March 5, 2008 8:44 AM PST
The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavour to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren ), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of to-day.
-Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them that he would take action against the new pagan propaganda
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by quetzal0666 March 5, 2008 8:45 AM PST
No, it is not we that have deserted Christianity, it is those who came before us who deserted Christianity. We have only carried through a clear division between politics which have to do with terrestrial things, and religion, which must concern itself with the celestial sphere. There has been no interference with the doctrine (Lehre ) of the Confessions or with their religious freedom (Bekenntnisfreiheit ), nor will there be any such interference. On the contrary the State protects religion, though always on the one condition that religion will not be used as a cover for political ends....
National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary it stands on the ground of a real Christianity.... For their interests cannot fail to coincide with ours alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against a Bolshevist culture, against atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for a consciousness of a community in our national life... These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian principles! And I believe that if we should fail to follow these principles then we should to be able to point to our successes, for the result of our political battle is surely not unblest by God.

-Adolf Hitler, in his speech at Koblenz, to the Germans of the Saar, 26 Aug. 1934
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by sara27155 March 5, 2008 8:46 AM PST
Learn about the history of Jihad and what it truly means.

http://www.historyofjihad.org/israel.html
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by quetzal0666 March 5, 2008 8:46 AM PST
So far as the Evangelical Confessions are concerned we are determined to put an end to existing divisions, which are concerned only with the forms of organization, and to create a single Evangelical Church for the whole Reich....
And we know that were the great German reformer [Martin Luther] with us to-day he would rejoice to be freed from the necessity of his own time and, like Ulrich von Hutten, his last prayer would be not for the Churches of the separate States: it would be of Germany that he would think and of the Evangelical Church of Germany.

-Adolf Hitler, in his Proclamation at the Parteitag at Nuremberg on 5 Sept. 1934
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by ghomes1 March 5, 2008 8:47 AM PST
singinrick, the sad fact is Jesus NEVER SAID TO TAKE HIM


AS A SAVIOUR...NO WERE IN THE BIBLE..... ALSO,

TRINITY WAS MADE UP BY AN IDOL WORSHIPER LOL LOL

TECHNICAL YOU WORSHIP 3 GODS OR IS 3 IN 1 OR 1 IN 3 LOL
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by quetzal0666 March 5, 2008 8:48 AM PST
singinrick ...

dont be scared, take your meds, look for a job and live happily ever after, oh and learn to see the issues, not the precepts of men.....
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by quetzal0666 March 5, 2008 8:49 AM PST
So we have come together on this day to prove symbolically that we are more than a collection of individuals striving one against another, that none of us is too proud, none of us too high, none is too rich, and none too poor, to stand together before the face of the Lord and of the world in this indissoluble, sworn community. And this united nation, we have need of it.

-Adolf Hitler, in Berlin, 01 May 1935
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by ghomes1 March 5, 2008 8:50 AM PST
What happen singinrick ? Don''t know how to respond

IDOL WORSHIPER LOL
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by quetzal0666 March 5, 2008 8:51 AM PST
In this hour I would ask of the Lord God only this: that, as in the past, so in the years to come He would give His blessing to our work and our action, to our judgement and our resolution, that He will safeguard us from all false pride and from all cowardly servility, that He may grant us to find the straight path which His Providence has ordained for the German people, and that He may ever give us the courage to do the right, never to falter, never to yield before any violence, before any danger.... I am convinced that men who are created by God should live in accordance with the will of the Almighty.... If Providence had not guided us I could often never have found these dizzy paths.... Thus it is that we National Socialists, too, have in the depths of our hearts our faith. We cannot do otherwise: no man can fashion world-history or the history of peoples unless upon his purpose and his powers there rests the blessings of this Providence.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech at Wurzburg on 27 June 1937
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by quetzal0666 March 5, 2008 8:52 AM PST
im always on CBS, i dont recall having our usal discussions on any other boards....

LIAR,
Paranoid Delusional bum.
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by ghomes1 March 5, 2008 8:52 AM PST
Jesus never claims to be GOD, give me one verse I will

give you many that contradict you!

Why would GOD kill sacrifice himself to save humanity and in turn allow them to be ******* and fornicators

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by quetzal0666 March 5, 2008 8:53 AM PST
ghomes1 ..

People re wrote the scriptures to include the words,
Jeshua was the first liberal in modern times,
and in order to discredit a simple message they turned him into a man god..
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by displeased March 5, 2008 8:54 AM PST
dont be scared, take your meds, look for a job and live happily ever after, oh and learn to see the issues, not the precepts of men.....
Posted by Quetzal0666

It''s too late, he''s already been formulated from exposure to the bible which has regrettably led to decreased cognitive and objective reasoning abilities.
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by ghomes1 March 5, 2008 8:55 AM PST
Singinrick

Were these people http://youtube.com/watch?v=4zblI9xDF2I

Terrorist?
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by ghomes1 March 5, 2008 8:56 AM PST
CBS would never show the truth and have people

like singinrick crying Islamic Jihad

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4zblI9xDF2I
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by ghomes1 March 5, 2008 8:59 AM PST
o not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God (Exodus 34:14)

ou shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them (Exodus 20:1-5)

Jesus said to him, %u201CAway from me, Satan! For it is written: %u2018Worship the Lord your God, and him only you shall serve.%u2019%u201D (Matthew 4:10)

%u201CThe most important one,%u201D answered Jesus, %u201Cis this: %u2018Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one (Mark 12:32)
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by ghomes1 March 5, 2008 9:01 AM PST
Jesus also asserts his humanity: :

* %u201CAs it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God.%u201D (John 8:40)
* %u201CBy myself I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear.%u201D (John 5:30)
* %u201CBut in vain they do worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.%u201D (Matthew 15:9)

Similarly, the Gospels portray Jesus as a human man in all respects:

* On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise him, he was named Jesus (Luke 2:21)
* %u201CThe son of man came eating and drinking, and you say, %u2018Here is a gluttonous man%u2026%u2019%u201D (Matthew 11:19)
* Jesus replied, %u201CFoxes have holes and the birds of the air have nests, but the son of man has no place to lay his head.%u201D (Matthew 8:20)
* One of those days, Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God. (Luke 6:12)
* Jesus wept (John 11:35)

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by ghomes1 March 5, 2008 9:03 AM PST
Jesus also asserts his humanity: :

* %u201CAs it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God.%u201D (John 8:40)
* %u201CBy myself I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear.%u201D (John 5:30)
* %u201CBut in vain they do worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.%u201D (Matthew 15:9)

Similarly, the Gospels portray Jesus as a human man in all respects:

* On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise him, he was named Jesus (Luke 2:21)
* %u201CThe son of man came eating and drinking, and you say, %u2018Here is a gluttonous man%u2026%u2019%u201D (Matthew 11:19)
* Jesus replied, %u201CFoxes have holes and the birds of the air have nests, but the son of man has no place to lay his head.%u201D (Matthew 8:20)
* One of those days, Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God. (Luke 6:12)
* Jesus wept (John 11:35)


I have work now, it was fun whipping you singinrick

BURNED BURNED BURNED
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by displeased March 5, 2008 9:04 AM PST
-Classic atheist/agnostic intolerance and bigotry towards Bible believing Christians.
I certainly pray that one day you''''ll take off the blinders and see the light Displeased, for your sake.
Posted by singinrick

What I see is a religious war that you support because of your bible''s prophecies. Not a cause worth fighting for.
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by quetzal0666 March 5, 2008 9:04 AM PST
ghomes1...

Great Job dude...
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by rowdytexan2 March 5, 2008 9:09 AM PST
John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was With God and the Word WAS God


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Posted by singinrick at 09:01 AM : Mar 05, 2008

It depends on which words of the Bible you want to believe. The actual words God spoke...and that Jesus of Nazreth spoke, or which some men wrote down claiming they''re speaking for both...but with a little clicker...their own agenda.

God''s words and Jesus'' words were very simple and if you read the reality in them instead of the fantasy, you will see a very simple clear message bringing instruction on how you should live your life on this earth.
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by quetzal0666 March 5, 2008 9:10 AM PST
Religious intolerance is an evil scourge on mankind, and needs to be eradicated in order to have any lasting peace.....

"southern Baptists are Religious and follow a religion, this also mustr be put in its place, theres no need to mingle religion with government.
unless we want a hitler like character here in the U.S. under guise of being christian, attacking everything that moves and having no reguard for international laws..

oh.. wait...............
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by ghomes1 March 5, 2008 9:17 AM PST
Jesus also asserts his humanity: :

* %u201CAs it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God.%u201D (John 8:40)
* %u201CBy myself I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear.%u201D (John 5:30)
* %u201CBut in vain they do worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.%u201D (Matthew 15:9)

Similarly, the Gospels portray Jesus as a human man in all respects:

* On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise him, he was named Jesus (Luke 2:21)
* %u201CThe son of man came eating and drinking, and you say, %u2018Here is a gluttonous man%u2026%u2019%u201D (Matthew 11:19)
* Jesus replied, %u201CFoxes have holes and the birds of the air have nests, but the son of man has no place to lay his head.%u201D (Matthew 8:20)
* One of those days, Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God. (Luke 6:12)
* Jesus wept (John 11:35)

O hey dont want people to forget the truth
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by quetzal0666 March 5, 2008 9:18 AM PST
Hillary and Obama will ensure separation of church and state, take the sting out of forked religious types like fat hagee, and kopeland....
bring a more balanced humane look at the middle east
situation instead of a biased 1 way hallucination..
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by displeased March 5, 2008 9:18 AM PST
-I''''m for Israel having a right to defend itself and not being overthrown by evil.
Posted by singinrick


Hey rick, is there supposed to be some kind of battle of armageddon eventually? You hope because christ can''t return without it, right?
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