Difficult Delegate Math For Clinton

Washington Post: Even After Energizing Victories, She Still Lags Behind In Pledged Delegates

(Washingtonpost.com)  This story was written by Peter Baker and Anne E. Kornblut.

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As Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton raced from border towns on the Rio Grande to farm communities in the Midwest trying to salvage her troubled presidential campaign in recent days, advisers at her Arlington headquarters were awash in mixed feelings about whether she should go on.

Decisive victories in both Ohio and Texas, they agreed, would justify staying in the race until the next big primary in Pennsylvania in seven weeks. Defeats in both of the big states would spell the end. But the prospect of a split decision or close results generated sharply different judgments from her strategists about her future.

Clinton wiped away the debate last night with a robust victory in Ohio and a narrow win in Texas. But as she vowed to keep campaigning, the tight vote in Texas signaled she may yet face a tough decision in coming weeks. The slim margin in the Texas popular vote and an additional caucus process in which she trailed made clear that she would not win enough delegates to put a major dent in Sen. Barack Obama's lead. And regardless of the results, she emerged from the crucible of Ohio and Texas with a campaign mired in debt and riven by dissension.

Clinton plans to use her triumphs in Ohio and Texas, as well as in Rhode Island, to argue that she still has a credible claim to the Democratic nomination, despite the delegate math. Many in her circle believe she finally recaptured momentum on the campaign trail in recent days and managed to put Obama on the defensive by questioning his readiness to serve as commander in chief. If nothing else, they hope she has earned a new lease to make her case to the nation.

Appearing before jubilant supporters in Columbus last night, an energized Clinton seized on the Ohio victory and declared that she will go "all the way" to the White House. "Keep on watching," she said. "Together, we're going to make history."

As the results came in, aides reported that the dark mood that has clouded her campaign headquarters for weeks had finally lifted, and talk of dropping out was fading. "It means she goes on," a senior campaign strategist said on the condition of anonymity. "All the late-breaking voters went with her, and the next batch of states favor her. He is starting to get scrutiny like he has never seen before, and he is out of material to talk about on the trail."

Another Democrat who has advised her noted that Clinton and her husband, former president Bill Clinton, have made a career of refusing to give in when the establishment has counted them out. "She doesn't give up," the Democrat said. "He doesn't give up."

Critical to Clinton's prospect of victory are the superdelegates, the nearly 800 elected officials and party leaders who can vote any way they choose. Her campaign envisions what aides call a "buyer's remorse" strategy of raising enough doubts about the first-term senator from Illinois through increasingly vigorous attacks and tougher media scrutiny to convince the superdelegates that it would be too risky to nominate him.

That reflects the recognition that it would be enormously difficult for Clinton to overtake Obama in the pledged delegates chosen by voters in primaries and caucuses. By some calculations, Clinton would need to win more than 60 percent of the vote in the dozen contests remaining between now and June 7 to catch Obama in pledged delegates -- a steep challenge given that, so far, she has won that much in only one state, her onetime adopted home of Arkansas. Even in New York, where she is a sitting senator, she won 57 percent of the vote. She won 55 percent in Michigan, where Obama was not even on the ballot.

"Her durability is impressive if not astonishing, but she is still looking at some pretty cold, hard numbers in the race," said Jim Jordan, a Democratic strategist who initially ran the 2004 primary campaign of Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.). "She's running out of time, she's running out of space." He described a Clinton nomination even with wins in Texas and Ohio as "impossible, really."

Steve McMahon, another Democratic strategist who is not working for either candidate, said the odds are long. "It's difficult to see how the math works for Senator Clinton," he said. "If you look at most models out there circulating, the one thing that's consistent is that she has to perform pretty strongly in order to have any hope of making up the deficit among elected delegates."

Still, Clinton supporters said yesterday's results suggested that Obama has not been able to close the deal, leaving her an opening. "She has lost 11 states in a row -- and the closest was Wisconsin, which she lost by 17" percentage points, said Paul Begala, who was a White House aide to her husband. "The theory of momentum suggested Obama should roll up equally large margins today, but voters seem to want to keep this race going. I suspect Senator Clinton agrees with them."

Indeed, Clinton had hinted Monday that she was ready to keep the race going. "I'm just getting warmed up," she said. She seemed to surge on the strength of attacks on Obama's leadership preparation, conflicting statements about the North American Free Trade Agreement and connections to fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko, whose trial on unrelated extortion and money laundering charges opened Monday.

But candidates rarely admit they are considering dropping out until the moment they do. And Clinton, until the Ohio results came in, deflected questions about her plans yesterday, saying that she did not like to make predictions when asked repeatedly what she would do if she lost Texas, Ohio or both.

"No person has ever won the White House without winning the Ohio primary in either party, so I think Ohio is pretty important," Clinton said in an interview with the NBC affiliate in Columbus. "The voters are not ready for this to be over. They want to be sure they are picking the person who would be the strongest nominee against John McCain."

Clinton has been counting on Ohio and Texas to vault her back into contention after losing every contest since Super Tuesday on Feb. 5. Her strong showings in those states may now help curb what some Clinton strategists had expected to be escalating calls from senior Democrats to end her campaign in the interest of pulling the party together to face McCain, the Republican nominee. But Obama's allies said they would try to avoid piling on, recognizing that it might only prod her to stay in.

"I don't think anybody in the Obama campaign is going to tell her to get out," said former Senate majority leader Thomas A. Daschle (D-S.D.), an Obama supporter. "Only Hillary can decide what's right and what her future course should be. It becomes increasingly difficult to see mathematically how she can do it, but there may be other reasons to stay involved other than winning the nomination."

Her organization, though, is drained of money and energy. Outgunned by Obama in the fundraising department, the Clinton campaign is carrying millions of dollars in debt, although officials would not say how much, and it threw everything it had into Texas and Ohio. Campaign aides expressed optimism that she will draw a new infusion of money after these primaries and have enough to go forward, although that remains unclear.

Perhaps just as significant, many on her team appear exhausted and dispirited. Advisers have not waited for Ohio and Texas to launch into a furious debate about whom to blame for her problems. Senior advisers described the infighting as debilitating and destructive, with some members of her inner circle barely speaking to one another. Many fault Mark Penn, the campaign's chief strategist, for crafting a message they said did not match the mood of the year. Penn's allies blame other advisers for mismanaging campaign finances and not putting organizations on the ground in many caucus states.

As recently as last week, there were divisions among top advisers over which advertisement to use against Obama -- one attacking his Iraq war position, or one featuring a "3 a.m. call" to the White House that describes Clinton as better prepared to be president. The latter advertisement won out. But Clinton advisers were infuriated about the original debate, blaming Penn for encouraging her to cling to an unsuccessful argument -- that Obama's deeds have not matched his stated opposition to the Iraq war.

And even though Penn claimed credit for the phone-call ad, senior Clinton advisers expressed confusion over whether Penn or Austin ad guru Roy Spence had made it. Penn's allies said he made the ad -- and insisted on airing it over the objections of other senior advisers, including Mandy Grunwald, who is technically in charge of ad making. Penn wrote the ad, his allies said, and Grunwald reluctantly made it, but then tried to get it spiked.

The sniping over the ad was the latest expression of divisions within a team that has never been cohesive. Advisers complained bitterly about one other, and stories in the media delineated their differences. Several people inside the campaign said earlier that if Clinton won last night, it would be despite her campaign, not because of it.

Moving forward, Clinton officials think she will probably lose the next two contests, in Wyoming on Saturday and Mississippi on Tuesday. Their firewall, they hope, is Pennsylvania on April 22, giving Clinton time to continue raising doubts about Obama's experience, questioning his sincerity about toughening trade laws and appealing to women in a state that mirrors Ohio's working-class demographics. Gov. Edward G. Rendell, a strong Clinton ally, believes he could engineer a victory for her.

"The streak of losses has been snapped," one adviser said last night. "I think we touched bottom a week ago, and we've been coming back up, and the question was: Did we have enough time? And so far, based on the results, we did."

[kenbomc]

I wonder what excuse the Hillary campaign will give when she loses the next two elections in Wyoming and Mississippi -that those states do not count? There is no way for her to overcome Obama''s lead in delegates. She can beg all she want''s, but Hillary will not be Obama''s VP.

[Razzl]

People in Ohio must love spending their golden years waving little paper flags in the cemetaries where their kids are buried. Don''t you ever get it about these tinhorns like Bush and McCain and Clinton who will send your kids to die in places they don''t belong so they can show how tough they are? Didn''t voting for Bush twice teach you guys anything?

I gotta say... I''m astounded at that "good ole'' time Clinton spin".
That 3 o''clock inna morning ad, questioning Obama''s "Commander in Chief" abilities.
And she voted in favor of the Irag war !!
I guess it really is about whatever you can get ''em to believe....

[realpatriot1]

kenbomc,

The Hillary supporters who think of Obama supporters as cultists and who think we can be placated by her putting him on the ticket after overturnng the popular vote will be in for a surprize.

I want Obama but if he runs on a ticket with her it won''t matter who is on yop and who is second, I won''t be voting for it. I doubt if I''m alone.

I will never vote for a ticket with her filthy name on it, not under any circumstances!

[sunenergy]

HEY! Dont forget RON PAUL is Still Running! you bozo''s

[aldon61]

Based on delegate math, Clinton does not have a snowball''s chance in hell. She has to win 60% of the vote in the remaining dozen states, does she? Well, right away she is going to get slaughtered in Wyoming Satarday and again next Tuesday in Mississippi; then what does she have to do? The way the delegates are awarded does not allow her to realistically win this nomination. Right now, I call on the emaining "super" delegates to start coming out, lay their votes on the table for all to see. At that time, Clinton should do the right thing for party unity and withdraw with whatever grace she can muster. The party''s over and the fat lady is singing.

[gwagener]

This article confirms what Clinton has been saying about the media bias. If they counted MI and FL, then Clinton would now be ahead on delegates and probably popular vote. Obama would stil be ahead on elected delegates becuase it takes far fewer votes to get delegates in caucuses. Yet this artical makes it seem like Clinton is dilusional.
After PA, the 350 or so super deligates are going to have to pick a side and bring an end to this.
Then the winner is going to have to offer the VP spot to the loser. The loser then will have to accept or graciously decline.
If the winner does not offer the VP spot or offers it and the loser tells the winner to stick it where the sun does not shine, then the Dems will get killed in Nov becuase the losers voters will stay home or vote for McCain.
Hey CBS, why no story on Huckabee dropping out of the race?

[sunenergy]

If Ron wasnt running~Id vote Libertarian!

[singingrick]

mocaIeo


You don''t even have a horse in this race. That makes you quite irrelevant. Goodbye neocons!




lol!

Posted by mocaIeo
Enjoy it! Eat, drink and be merry. Have yourself a very good time...
''cause this coming fall.......

[jack3213]

1)The economy is in a slowdown%u2026 you want change? Quit being greedy, save more than you spend, work hard and quit whining. Live within your means.
2) Iraq is difficult, painful and not going away any time soon%u2026 you want change? Fine, we%u2019ll pull the troops out now because it%u2019ll garner votes, then we can spend twice the coin and put even more lives at risk when the place falls further into hell and we need to go back. Quit moaning about the intelligence failures and poor planning that led us into the current situation. It is what it is and we better deal with it properly.
3)Washington is broken%u2026 you want change? Give me a break. Quit with the crying over partisan politics unless you got a plan for revamping the two-party system. Candidates have been winging that old chestnut around since George Washington%u2019s days. There%u2019s nothing broke about Washington, D.C., that can%u2019t be solved by politicians simply doing what they%u2019re supposed to do%u2026 representing their constituents, working hard and being honest.
4) Immigration%u2026 you want change? OK, everybody except Native American Indians shut up and figure out how to compromise between secure borders and a nation that continues to offer hope and inclusion to people from other countries.
5) Universal health care%u2026 you want change? Great idea, come up with a plan that can be clearly explained to someone with a high school education.

[forthepeopl1]

IF OBAMA HAS ANY BALLS HE WOULD COME OUT AGAINST THIS IN A BIG WAY..
HE SHOULD COME OUT AND SAY SHE IS IN OZ IF SHE THINK I WOULD CHOSE HER.
HE NEEDS TO COME OUT AND SAY TO AMERICA IF YOU WANT BUSH 2 (MCCAIN) IN OFFICE THEN HAVEING CLINTON ON ANY TICKET WOULD DO THAT.
THATS WHY I CHOSE JOHN EDWARDS AS MY V.P.

THEN SHE WOULD LOSE ALL THE REMAINING STATES BY TRIPPLE DIGGET...
REMEMBER THE REPS WANT CLINTON BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY WILL BEAT HER IN A NATIONAL VOTE. I WOULD AND MANY OTHER IND/DEMS WOULD VOTE MCAIN INSTEAD OF HAVEING HER IN ANY PART OF THE WHITEHOUSE.

[tuffone3]

10 ROUNDS OF LIGHTWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP POLITICS!

ROUND 1...(A DRAW)
ROUND 2... OBAMA
ROUND 3... CLINTON
ROUND 4... COMING UP!

Stay tuned! (or, tune out?)

[gwagener]

THEN SHE WOULD LOSE ALL THE REMAINING STATES BY TRIPPLE DIGGET...
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Posted by forthepeopl1 at 12:05 PM : Mar 05, 2008

There is only one triple digit, namely 100%. Only a dictator can pull off a triple digit win.
Go back to third grade math!

[squidly8]

This is really great. The dems are putting the gun to their own heads. They are spending vast sums of cash fighting each other particularly HRC for whom it is virtually impossible to win. They are filling the RNC database with dirt to use in the general election. Voting irregularities and accusations, surprise, surprise happen in the Dem primaries. If one wins the popular vote for the nomination and other the delgates, it is a replay of the 2000 Gore/Bush uproar.

How could anybody have made this scenario up? It is just way too entertaining.

[grazinggoat]

CBS News: ''Her organization, though, is drained of money and energy. Outgunned by Obama in the fundraising department, the Clinton campaign is carrying millions of dollars in debt, although officials would not say how much, and it threw everything it had into Texas and Ohio. Campaign aides expressed optimism that she will draw a new infusion of money after these primaries and have enough to go forward, although that remains unclear. ''

-This is a clear case of impotency due to moneyless campaign. I''m not a Clinton fan, but I was pleasantly amazed by how she made it back in the spotlight, though the means she took to make it back, were not fair. I would suggest a reasonable support from public/government funding, for the campaign not to go bankrupt. I''m not pitying Clinton here, but her fair share of the Democrat electors is quite substantial. It would be unfair for her to fail because of money.

-In NHL Hockey games, when the score is close, the losing team remove their goalie in order to let an extra regular player (the best obviously) on ice hoping to score the tying goal. That is what Hilary did in the last confrontation. It''s been a dangerous, but good decision. I''m eager to see the consequent strategy Obama will run now on.

[xzonz]

TORONTO %u2014 Canada%u2019s conservative government said Tuesday it was investigating the leak of a memo that suggested Barack Obama%u2019s harsh words about the North American Free Trade Agreement were for political show.

The memo circulated within the government and obtained by The Associated Press said Obama%u2019s senior economic adviser, Austan Goolsbee, discussed the debate over free trade in the Democratic presidential primary campaign with Canadian officials in Chicago.

[suzy111]

I did not like the threat that was intended in the 3:00 commercial. We have lived under the threat of fear for to long. I would not vote for anyone who tries to scare me into voting for them. Who ever decieded to put that commercial on, really made a mistake. I have stayed out of this untill now and from here on I will try my best to turn any votes for Hilary around. We are a state with little votes but it may count. Now I see why everyone calls this campaign of hers "Billary". She can get dirty too!! Is this what we want?? I don''t. If she can''t control her campaign money, then how can she control our money???

[netadmin1-2009]

1)The economy is in a slowdown%u2026 you want change? Quit being greedy, save more than you spend, work hard and quit whining. Live within your means.
2) Iraq is difficult, painful and not going away any time soon%u2026 you want change? Fine, we%u2019ll pull the troops out now because it%u2019ll garner votes, then we can spend twice the coin and put even more lives at risk when the place falls further into hell and we need to go back. Quit moaning about the intelligence failures and poor planning that led us into the current situation. It is what it is and we better deal with it properly.
3)Washington is broken%u2026 you want change? Give me a break. Quit with the crying over partisan politics unless you got a plan for revamping the two-party system. Candidates have been winging that old chestnut around since George Washington%u2019s days. There%u2019s nothing broke about Washington, D.C., that can%u2019t be solved by politicians simply doing what they%u2019re supposed to do%u2026 representing their constituents, working hard and being honest.
4) Immigration%u2026 you want change? OK, everybody except Native American Indians shut up and figure out how to compromise between secure borders and a nation that continues to offer hope and inclusion to people from other countries.
5) Universal health care%u2026 you want change? Great idea, come up with a plan that can be clearly explained to someone with a high school education.

Posted by jack3213

Nicely put

[grazinggoat]

I have been a true BLUE democrat for years...

BUT if OBAMA wins the nomination, I can assure you that my family and I will VOTE for John McCAIN!!!!

There is no way in H-E-L-L I will put an inexperienced guy running this Country after 9-1-1.

No, can''''''''t do!!!!
Posted by metroduck75 at 12:34 PM : Mar 05, 2008

-DonaldDuck75, this is for you.

www.zeitgeistmovie.com caopy/paste it on the URL.

It is educative, long but educative.

[aggiekat2004]

Can somebody explain the "caucus" B.S. that went on last night? We showed up at a local school to vote, and they asked us if we wanted to vote in the caucus. I''m unfamiliar with this system, and can''t find anything on the web that explains it clearly.

It sounded like some people''s votes counted more than others. Not surprising after learning about the superdelegates, but it sounds again like the vote of the people really doesn''t count...

[gunshack1]

Great post jack3213.

[punkitty96]

When are you people going to learn how to read! This article is so slanted. First of all it states that by "some calculations" Hillary would need 60% to win the democratic seat. Which calculations are these and what other calculations are experts using? Second, they supposedly talked to a campaign insider "under the condition of anonymity", and that is how they got all of this (so called) information that the Clinton campaign is fraught with conflict? Until I actually see or hear it come out of the mouth of someone I know is a campaign adviser I won''t believe it! Hillary is a fighter and her and her campaign advisers all know that her supporter are counting on her not to give up so easily. And finally I find it really hard to believe that her campaign is in debt! She raised so much money in February and she won Texas and Ohio by spending half as much on advertising as the Obama campaign spent. Why don''t you people learn how to read and learn how to listen? Every time I hear or read about Obama and his position on the many different issues involved in the elections this year he just smacks with Republican.

[pensacola88]

The campaign issues coming between Obama and Clinton should not be against each other, but against McCain.

It is clear that Clinton won''t give up, but she better be careful. Pop culture adds this early in the campaign will be forgotten by November.

Both the Obama and Clinton campaigns appear like airplanes that don''t have enough fuel to reach their intended destination aiport, since delegates are not multiplying.

[notopennshut]

The candidate with the most delegates SHOULD be the nominee. End of process! Who really cares about the super delegates? All that matters is that the candidate with the most number of pledged delegates should get the support of all super delegates and be named the nominee, regardless of how Hillary wants the count to be. The pledged delegates should be the deciding factor in this race, and the super delegates should just affirm it. Finito.

[suet123-2009]

Senator Clinton is fond of saying electing a president is like a big job interview. It looks like Hillary Clinton has something to hide when she refuses to release her tax returns. If I were interviewing an employee and they appeared to clearly be hiding something, I would shake their hand and say, "We''ll get back to you."

[vet_sk]

Hillary: You needed knock out blows of 15% in both Ohio and Texas - that is what everyone was saying before yesterday. You underperformed: You got 3% in Tx and 10% in Ohio. You would need almost 70% of the vote in the rest of the states to overcome Obama''s delegate count.

[PulSamsara]

The only way for Hillary to get the nomination now is to steal it. If she does that she will absolutely destroy the party. - If Clinton steals the nomination she will receive less than 40% of the popular vote in the general. She''s turned off a lot of people - for good !

-former (3 time) Clinton''s voter.

[tibu987]

Vote against politics as usual, i.e., the Clinton twins and McCain.
Vote against the status quo, i.e., the Clinton twins and McCain.
Vote against divisive partisan politics, i.e., the Clinton twins and McCain.
Vote against arrogance, ineptness, i.e., and corruption, the Clinton twins and McCain..
Vote against members of Washington''s "good ole boys", i.e., the Clinton twins and McCain.
club.

Vote for change.
Vote for Obama.

72 year old white male, veteran, who has seen it all.

[tibu987]

I am incredulous.
I have read in the newspapers and online comments by many women who said they would vote for Clinton "because the U.S. needs a woman to head this country", "that it was time for a woman to be president", and many other such ridiculous comments. In other words, these women voted for Hillary simply because she is a woman. This is very scary.
I am also incredulous that these two, the Clinton twins, sleazy lawyers from Arkansas, from the second most backward state in the U.S., both beset with scandal, could become the two most powerful people in the world.
I once read that the American electorate is comprised of only 3% of intelligent, well read, voters. The other 97% comprised couch potatoes, TV watchers, non-readers, video game players, in other words, people who not know anything of the candidates, the issues, the problems, facing this country and the world.
But, as patriotic Americans, they will exercise their right to vote.
Too bad. Too scary.
We have a chance to change the direction of this country with Obama. If Obama should not win, it will just be more of the same with the Clinton twins, with the rest of the world laughing at us and, we again lose credibility internationally.
Too bad. Too scary.

[suzy111]

this is for DonaldDuck75. Wow that''s real smart, can''t have your way, so vote for the oppostit side. I suppost you don''t have any military children, when you talk about your family. If you do, I would hate to see the draft restarted and your children go. You should read more facts about both candidates history and experence before blowing off. Hilary''s experence should not include following her husband around. That would be like me saying it can drive a log truck because I work for a log truck company. This is not a Billary campaign. She is having trouble with running her money, I am not real sure I want her running what little I have. Please everyone stop and think, this is for all of us, not just you.

[madashell4lo]

If the actual, one person, one vote were the only factor in this election, and the primary totals as of now were counted, the republicans would have already lost the presidential spot to the Democrats. Lets make it even simpler, Give all of the republican votes to John and give the democratic runners only the votes that each has earned, The low man on the Democratic totem pole would still beat John by a wide margin. Hillary''s wins are wins but not WINS. The wins are shallow. Not what you would expect from one who expects to win. We the voters can only groan when we hear the words superdelegates. Now that we know how deals come together in D.C. who knows what deal in the past or the future has put what Super Del. in bed with whom. It would be nice if these our elected officials would come forth and state how they are going to vote, isn''t this part of what we pay them for. Or does the amounts that political persons get from doing the bidding of the Bilderberg Group count more. Look that up on BBC check out there answer.
Himself.......

[vastr-wcon]

.
The voters have spoken and it is now time for Hussein to to withdrawal. It has been fun watching the antics of his frat-boy and girls-gone-wild supporters, but it is now time to take the presidential contest seriously.

That means to focus on the fact that Tony''s Rezko''s partner-in-crime cannot win the presidency by winning in states like Vermont, Iowa, and North Dakota. To win the presidency, it will take winning the Hillary states of California, Ohio, New York, Texas and Florida.

The Hope-Change, Change-Hope, Hope-able Change and Changeable-Hope BS and assorted plagiarisms of Hussein (along with his theft of most of John Edwards ideas) has been a delightful distraction from reality. Now the responsible and mature Democrats must get serious and work to elect a capable president.

.

[libra127]

I am incredulous.
I have read in the newspapers and online comments by many women who said they would vote for Clinton "because the U.S. needs a woman to head this country",...

Posted by tibu987 at 02:34 PM : Mar 05, 2008

Yeah, I am incredulous - but of your comment. I''ve been reading newspapers and these boards the whole primary season and I have seen VERY FEW posts which say we should vote for Hillary "because she is a woman". Oh, there have been a handful, but mainly from one or two posters repeating themselves. The overwhelming majority of women who support Hillary for President do so because they feel she is the best available candidate.

Posted by suzy111 at 12:35 PM

I''m with you!!
Quickest way in the world to lose my vote is to try and scare me into voting for you.
Another quick way is to crawl into the gutter and expect me to follow. Ain''t gonna happen.
I would love to see CBS initiate a whole new segment and call it "Dirtbag Politics".
The problem is that both of these tactics have been shown in the past to work! And work pretty good. That''s why we consistently get the government we deserve.

[l00ker]

She didn''t win by landslide numbers, and picked up only a couple of delegates. She may claim that she won big states, but those were Dem hack states, and heavily hispanic, while he won all across the country. She''s outta here.

[l00ker]

She didn''''t win by landslide numbers, and picked up only a couple of delegates. She may claim that she won big states, but those were Dem hack states, and heavily hispanic, while he won all across the country. She''''s outta here.

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Posted by l00ker at 03:41 PM : Mar 05, 2008


Correction: Clinton hack states.

[samthetvcat]

"No person has ever won the White House without winning the Ohio primary in either party, so I think Ohio is pretty important," Clinton said in an interview with the NBC affiliate in Columbus."

ha ha, she changed it - what an arrogant buffoon she is. Yesterday she was saying as Ohio goes so goes the nation, but polls show Ohio going to McCain.

It''s too late though, she already said it like 12 times. The GOP are probably going to use her clips with poll numbers superimposed showing Ohio ''going'' with McCain to make her look like she''s out of it . . .

[samthetvcat]

"the Clinton campaign is carrying millions of dollars in debt"

That was obvious when she started pointing out how she was only spending half of what Obama was spending on advertising. But she raised $35mil in February and only had $12.7mil of debt going into the month . . . if she only spent $4mil (?) on commercials, where''s all the $ going?

I figured for sure she''d stay in until Pennsylvania even if she doesn''t go all out to win because she needs an excuse to bring in the money to pay off her debts.

Probably she won''t agree to a re-do in Michigan and Florida because she knows they won''t help her and she''s probably more interested in getting her $5mil back . . .

[tibu987]

The women have spoken.
Vote for Hillary because she is a woman.
Vote for Hillary because we need a woman in the White house.
Vote for Hillary because she is the victim of an adulterous husband.
Vote for Hillary because her tears show that she is compassionate.
(Sorry, tears are not allowed in the Oval Room).
Vote for Hillary so people can see what a woman can do in the White House.
Vote for Hillary despite her being a scandal ridden sleazy lawyer from Arkansas, the second most backward State in the U.S.
Vote for Hillary although she represents exactly what is wrong in this country and in Washington.
(More of the same).
Vote for Hillary even though it will make the U.S. the laughing stock for the world.
Vote for Hillary even though many foreign heads of state do not believe in negotiating with women.
Let me see, there most be other reasons.
Jeeeez ladies, gimme a break.

[libra127]

"But she raised $35mil in February and only had $12.7mil of debt going into the month . . . if she only spent $4mil (?) on commercials, where''s all the $ going?"

Posted by SamTheTVCat at 04:02 PM : Mar 05, 2008

Did it ever occur to you that perhaps the statement that she is "carrying millions of dollars of debt" isn''t true ? LOL

[libra127]

Probably she won''t agree to a re-do in Michigan and Florida because she knows they won''t help her and she''s probably more interested in getting her $5mil back . . .

Posted by SamTheTVCat at 04:02 PM : Mar 05, 2008

A Florida and Michigan re-do certainly would help her, since she won those states handily and likely would again. Your second statement is not true either - I think she''s rather lose her $5M and win the election if that were the trade-off.

[libra127]

"Vote for Hillary even though many foreign heads of state do not believe in negotiating with women."

Posted by tibu987 at 04:15 PM : Mar 05, 2008

Gee, I haven''t noticed this being a significant problem for Great Britain (Thatcher), Germany (Merkel), Pakistan (Bhutto), India (I. Gandhi), Israel (Meier), ...

But if a country does have a problem with it, it is way past time they learn that such sexism is unacceptable in the modern world. (You could stand to learn that too).

[tibu987]

libra127....
No, because those countries do not present the problems to the world that the U.S. does. While allies, they are minor players. Perfunctory ceremony is given to every head of state. What matters is what goes on in the backrooms of the world and where, women are not welcome.
This is called reality.

[libra127]

"While allies, they are minor players"
Posted by tibu987 at 05:22 PM : Mar 05, 2008

Where have you been living, Pluto ? The countries I listed are hardly "minor players". LOL

"What matters is what goes on in the backrooms of the world and where, women are not welcome.
This is called reality."
Posted by tibu987 at 05:22 PM : Mar 05, 2008

To the extent that that happens, it is called SEXISM. And it''s got to STOP.

[ipromise]

I have noticed how Clinton never ever have any complaints about the election process when she has won, apparently it doesn''t take much. I did not vote for her nor will I ever vote for her. Her mud slinging and old-school politics are a turn off and it makes her look like a bitter old woman who is using the false sense of power of the White House as some form of compensation for her loss of self-esteem. I have no problem with any woman running as a Presidential Candidate, but this person has the morales of a snake and the smile of a goat. I have become addicted to the election coverage before and after primaries and I have come to my own conclusion that she is nothing more that the most selfish, insecure and back-stabbing individual I have ever seen in politics for as long as I can remember. I don''t think there is a male politician who is as ruteless and conniving as this person. I truly feel that no Head-of State of any foreign land will have any form of respect for her nor will she be able to get any cooperation from Democrats or Republicans if she (connives, lies and cheats) her way into the White House. Personally, I do feel that she probably could be up at 3am at the White House, because she''ll be up waiting for her husband to come home. (Just so that there are no misunderstandings,HRC, I am a WOMAN.)

[kansas1946]

As recently as last week, there were divisions among top advisers over which advertisement to use against Obama -- one attacking his Iraq war position, or one featuring a "3 a.m. call" to the White House that describes Clinton as better prepared to be president. The latter advertisement won out.**********************

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I know everyone has seen this ad. It is one of the most stupid campaign ads I have ever seen. It is os embarrassing it makes me squim every time I see it.

[tibu987]

libra127....

1. I stand by my comments.

2. I believe you are more the sexist than I am and will use every bit of fakery to get a woman elected.

That is what I believe.

[samthetvcat]

tibu987, you''re a gentleman and a scholar . . . I believe you are correct about libra sir! :D

[libra127]

will use every bit of fakery to get a woman elected.

Posted by tibu987 at 09:32 PM : Mar 05, 2008

Do you always label ideas you don''t agree with "fakery" ? If so, your credibility is nil.
I stand by my comments. All of them.