Chavez A "Barking Dog That Doesn't Bite"?

Analysis: War Rhetoric Between Venezuela, Colombia Worrying, But Likely Just Words

(AP)  This analysis story was written by the Associated Press' chief of Andean news, Frank Bajak, in Bogota.

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Judging by the fever-pitch rhetoric, the Andes region was girding for war on Monday. The leftist presidents of Venezuela and Ecuador recalled ambassadors from Bogota and began moving tanks and troops to reinforce their borders with Colombia.

But will this political theater lead to war? Probably not.

Relations have clearly hit a new low between President Alvaro Uribe and his leftist neighbors. President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela warned darkly that Colombia and its U.S. military backers may trigger "war in South America" with commando raids like the one that killed a key leftist rebel commander across the border in Ecuador.

Ecuador's President Rafael Correa called Colombia's "a foul and lying government that doesn't want peace." And even the ailing Fidel Castro weighed in, writing that "The trumpets of war are being heard in our continent's south as a result of the genocidal plans of the Yankee empire."

But there is little appetite for armed conflict in the region, despite Chavez's recent purchases of $3 billion in Russian arms, including 53 military helicopters, 100,000 Kalashnikov rifles and 24 SU-30 Sukhoi fighter jets.

The economic costs, to begin with, are far too high.

Too many people depend on cross-border trade worth $5 billion a year, most of it Colombian exports sorely needed by Venezuelans already suffering milk and meat shortages. Ecuador depends on some $1.8 billion in trade with Colombia.

And militarily, Colombia has become a formidable foe, thanks in large part to $5 billion in aid from Washington since 2000. U.S. military advisers are sprinkled throughout Colombia's military, and Washington could quickly ramp up support if war broke out.

Chavez's critics say his saber-rattling is intended to deflect attention from mounting domestic woes.

"You can't keep playing with the future of this country," said Venezuelan opposition leader Manuel Rosales, whom Chavez defeated handily in the last presidential election. He accused Chavez of trying to "stir up nationalist sentiment to hide the truth of this country, which is falling to pieces."

Chavez's cause also wasn't helped by Colombia's discovery of what it described as damaging documents in three laptop computers seized at the jungle camp of Raul Reyes, the slain spokesman for the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia. Reyes was the rebels' main interlocutor with foreign governments and other emissaries, reporting directly to the FARC's seven-man ruling secretariat, of which he was a member.

According to Colombia's national police director, Gen. Oscar Naranjo, seen at left, the files seized in Saturday's raid are "tremendously revelatory" and are being examined with the help of U.S. experts.

One document, apparently written in February, suggests Venezuela recently gave the rebels $300 million, while another suggests the rebels were shopping for 50 kilos of uranium, said Naranjo.

Still others refer to longstanding ties between Chavez and Manuel "Sureshot" Marulanda, the top FARC leader, he said. "This implies more than cozying up, but an armed alliance between the FARC and the Venezuelan government."

The documents also show President Rafael Correa has sought to deepen ties with the rebels, Naranjo told a news conference.

Correa called the Colombian charges an insult and broke diplomatic relations with Bogota. "We are confronting an extremely grave situation, confronting a malicious, lying government that doesn't want peace," he said.

Elsewhere on the diplomatic front, Venezuela's embassy and consulate in Bogota were closed and Chavez's government expelled Colombia's ambassador and other diplomats from Venezuela. Latin American presidents pleaded for reconciliation and offered to mediate, and an emergency meeting of the Organization of American States was called for Tuesday in Washington, D.C.

Naranjo did not provide details of the payments, or the uranium claim, and none of the documents were made public.

Both governments rejected the Colombian accusations as lies. Ecuador did, however, acknowledge that its internal security minister met recently with Reyes to discuss helping free hostages.

"Whatever they say has no importance," said Venezuela's vice president, Ramon Carrizalez.

There were some signs of military mobilization on Monday.

Ecuadorean soldiers were helicoptered to their jungle frontier, and Venezuelan border guards turned away all vehicles with Colombian plates at the busiest border crossing between the two countries.

Some Venezuelan tanks were spotted being trucked to the border near the northern port of Maracaibo.

But otherwise, there was relative calm on the ground. Colombia's defense minister, Juan Manuel Santos, said no extraordinary military moves were planned, and vowed not to be drawn into a conflict with Chavez.

"I prefer to leave President Chavez out of this discussion," he said. "We're not commenting on what he does, says or suggests."

South America hasn't seen a shooting war among nations since Peru and Ecuador fought for a month in 1995 for long-disputed border valley, leaving about 80 soldiers dead.

Colombia's borders with Ecuador and Venezuela are rugged and porous, crossed with ease by FARC guerrillas, who have been at war with successive Bogota governments for more than four decades.

Colombia has long complained about this to both Ecuador and Venezuela, which have done little to confront the issue. According to rebel deserters recently interviewed by the AP, Venezuela allows FARC fighters to get rest, medical attention and process cocaine for unhindered export to the United States and Europe.

The rebel presence has made many Venezuelans who live near the border uneasy. Chavez's threats have only made these people more anxious. And war fever seemed absent from the streets of Caracas.

"I hope Chavez isn't thinking about the madness of sending our sons to die in an absurd war with Colombia," said Carmen Arellano, a 41-year-old homemaker. "Chavez wants to fight a war to conceal the social and economic crisis in this country."

Venezuelan political analyst Teodoro Petkoff said he doesn't believe war is imminent, despite Chavez's rhetoric: "For me he's a barking dog that doesn't bite."

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Frank Bajak has been AP's chief of Andean news since early 2006. He first covered the region as Bogota bureau chief from 1996-2000.

[itstrouble]

Chavez is winner no matter what outcome is, i mean Chavez win or lose any situation, he will convince a major portion of society how he won. Chavez can never really lose, maybe he is a new GOD, lets celebrate to the new GOD even before the pieces age terminate.

[libsrweak]

ITS TIME TO START WORLD WAR III..time to rid the world of the weak, the stupid and the liberals

[barbarossa_t]

jimmyc1955
According to more reliable analysts, the Columbian government sponsored paramilitary groups account for 70-75% of the drug trafficking. They also are responsible for mass killings of civilians.
I guess Uribe might be more careful when citing genocidal claims against other countries.
I also guess it''s OK to mount incursions into other countries as long as it aint the good ol'' U S of A.

[fightfascism]

here''s my eye on the past -let''s quit meddling in central and south america. why shouldn''t people be skeptical of our tax dollars going to governments south of the border? didn''t we financially back the overthrow of the democratically elected governmentof chile back in ''73? remember how our tax dollars funded the baby killers in el salvador and guatemala back in the 80''s? better chavez down there than the contras.

[keithle1]

The smaller the dog, the more it barks. Bunch of two-bit countries. So long as we stay out of it. Let them play their stupid wargames or whatever they''re doing.

Chavez is wasting money that could be spent on the Venezuelan people. What an idiot. Too many banana republics in the world.

[closethippy1]

*For the past 20 years or so.....

[closethippy1]

Colombia is the only country in Latin American that still has a guerilla group. Everybody else has come to terms with these groups in their countries.
In fact, there were many Colombia guerillas who put down their arms and formed several political parties as a way to work within the system.
For the past 20 or so more than 1000 of these ex-guerillas who joined the political process have been assesinated.
I''ve talked to many Colombians here in the US who used to either work for their government or paramilitary groups, and they love to brag about how they killed these guerillas who turned politicians and poor peasants demanding better treatment.
These are a bunch of shameless b.astards no one should help in any way. It''s a shame we''re giving these animals a place to hide here in the US.
And now they''re making cross borders raids. It''s clear they''re emboldened by the Bush administration and like Israel, they''re going to make the most of it before Bush leaves office.

[barbarossa_t]

Thank you Nobrain for your usual valuable contribution to the debate.
God Bless America...

[jimmyc1955]

rushlimpdrug - have a safe flight I hope you get home safely (sincerly).

If you give up nothing gets better. But to understand the issue is the first step in correcting it. Most choose not to work hard enough to understand it. I believe you will.

What happened in the past in some way effects policy now, but in others it does not. Columbia isn''t all good, I have known many Venezuelans and work with 2 and find them good people.

But a group that randomly kiss civilians, murders judges, makes and sells addictive drugs to pay for the war adn is so highly unpopular they must hide in the jungle is not a good cause. Chavez''s support of them is illustrative of his ambitions and disregard for others.

Just keep reading - you may find you might change your mind. We must address the future with an eye on the past.

[rushlimpdrug]

Posted by jimmyc1955 at 08:43 PM

Whatever dude.
Cause you''re stupid I will tell you that I have worked with several colombians.
Some had master degrees all had degrees.
But of course I don''t know what I''m talking about.
You do.
You are the master.
Visit colombia one day.
Take your wallet and see how safe it is.
Venezuela isn''t that much better.
I''m just saying one jackazz laughing about the other jackazz'' predicament is foolish.
For colombia to go with forces into Ecuador or any other country because they don''t want BAD to come into their country. Right.

Gotta go.
Early plane flight tomorrow.
Skrew the freakin sekurity
Gotta make sure I''m not taking ANYTHING that will make me suspicious.
I''m sick of it all.

[jimmyc1955]

rushlimpdrug - Your command of facts and information are breath taking. Your comprehensive knowledge of regional politics and motivations is stunning in it''s scope.

Your only point is the US sent money to Columbia - so in the reasoning your so fond of - that means Columbia must be wrong and anybody opposing Chavez must be right.

You would prefer to see Columbia under the boot of a local marxist dictator who can''t feed his own people (despite the vast wealth brought in the those US oil dollars) just so you can blame US foreign policy failures.

You play loose with the lives of so many people just to satisfy your ego. It must be nice to be that sure of everything that you just don''t need any evidence to support it.

[rushlimpdrug]

Pretty much true of all leftists. Big mouths but no stones.
Posted by lorinkundert at 08:27 PM : Mar 04, 2008

RushLimpdicck is Barbotransex
He has different names for his Male-Moron days & her female-moron nites,..the opinions are the same,.Idiotic!
Posted by neobrian at 08:19 PM


Being such an idiot and moron sometimes I wonder how "leftist" and "independent thinkers" have survived your higher edumikated intelligint brain.
Show me the way Lord.
I am here to serve you.
May I wash your feet?

[rushlimpdrug]

rushlimpdrug - So all Columbians are stupid?? Kind of stupid thing to say isn''''t it?

Groups all over the globe have existed for decades without being eradicated. Your leap of assumption is that Columia could eliminate FARC if it wanted to. Can you prove that?

Having made a false assumption you then build on that false, unproven assumption to state the government of Columbia is the source of the drugs. Again - can you prove that? Or is that another data point that just allows you to insult an entire nation without any knowledge or experience.

2 miles into Ecuador isn''''t an invasion. . .
But then maybe that thinking thing isn''''t your strong suite. Maybe its linking unrelated things claiming there is a causal relationship (you might want to look that word up) and then assigning blame for no valid reason.
Yup - you are good at that.
Posted by jimmyc1955 at 07:58 PM


Yeah, everything anyone else post is an assumption.
Well, I guess venezuela is processing and making sooo much cocaine and whatever that Chavez gladly gives them a minimum 300 million on top of the fact that they get to keep profits from the drugs.
Oh, and also Chavez SPENDS BILLIONS to protect these thugs.
Poor little colombia, can''t do a thing about it.
Bwha!
Let''s feel pity for colombia they are sooo SMART!
Yeah, I made bad assumptions
I stand corrected.
I bow to you and the brains you and all the colombians have amassed.
1 BILLION
2 BILLION
3 BILLION
4 BILLION
5 BILLION

[lorinkundert]

Chavez A "Barking Dog That Doesn''t Bite"

Pretty much true of all leftists. Big mouths but no stones.

[neobrian-2009]

RushLimpdicck is Barbotransex
He has different names for his Male-Moron days & her female-moron nites,..the opinions are the same,.Idiotic!

[jimmyc1955]

Or maybe the drugs are coming out of Venezuela

Per the above article:

"Colombia has long complained about this (terroist escaping from Columbia) to both Ecuador and Venezuela, which have done little to confront the issue. According to rebel deserters recently interviewed by the AP, Venezuela allows FARC fighters to get rest, medical attention and process cocaine for unhindered export to the United States and Europe.

"The rebel presence has made many Venezuelans who live near the border uneasy. Chavez''s threats have only made these people more anxious. And war fever seemed absent from the streets of Caracas."

[jimmyc1955]

Barbarossa_t Yes - the US has a very bad history in the region. Going all the way back to Teddy Roosevelt. That doesn''t mean the money to Columbia is for any purpose other than the stated purpose unless you can prove otherwise.

BTW - there are some documents (though how valid they are is not understood) that says Chavez gave FARC $300 Million - pretty good money for a band of kidnappers hated by the people of Columbia
Sites about FARC and Columbia for your reading pleasure

http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/terror_99/latin.html

And FARC has no popular support in Venezuela either.

http://daniel-venezuela.blogspot.com/2008/02/no-mas-farc-in-caracas-no-more-farc.html

[jimmyc1955]

Barbarossa_t - I think if you look back you will find every administration since Jimmy Carter has been sending money and guns to Columbia. GWB didn''t invent that.

[jimmyc1955]

Barbarossa_t - I think if you look back you will find every administration since Jimmy Carter has been sending money and guns to Columbia. GWB didn''t invent that.

[jimmyc1955]

rushlimpdrug - So all Columbians are stupid?? Kind of stupid thing to say isn''t it?

Groups all over the globe have existed for decades without being eradicated. Your leap of assumption is that Columia could eliminate FARC if it wanted to. Can you prove that?

Having made a false assumption you then build on that false, unproven assumption to state the government of Columbia is the source of the drugs. Again - can you prove that? Or is that another data point that just allows you to insult an entire nation without any knowledge or experience.

2 miles into Ecuador isn''t an invasion. Love the way you picked up the Marxist party line without asking any questions. That leaves you kind of vunerable don''t you think?

But then maybe that thinking thing isn''t your strong suite. Maybe its linking unrelated things claiming there is a causal relationship (you might want to look that word up) and then assigning blame for no valid reason.

Yup - you are good at that.