March 4, 2008

Is Clinton Better For Commander-In-Chief?

National Review Online: Ohio Voters Feel Readiness For The Position Is Low Priority To Issues

  • Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y, speaks during a rally at the University of Toledo, in Toledo, Ohio, Monday March 3, 2008. Photo

    Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y, speaks during a rally at the University of Toledo, in Toledo, Ohio, Monday March 3, 2008.  (AP)

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(National Review Online)  This column was written by Byron York.
It’s 23 degrees and snowing hard outside St. Clairsville High School, here in the Appalachian region of Ohio, not far from the West Virginia line. It doesn’t take long to start feeling deeply chilled, but a lot of people have been standing in line for nearly two hours outside the school’s two entrances, waiting to see Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton make her first and only appearance in St. Clairsville. Struggling to take notes with a frozen pen, I ask why they are willing to endure such conditions for Sen. Clinton.

“Because we’re stupid,” one man tells me as everyone begins to laugh.

It’s not a unique sentiment among the males in line. Several aren’t big fans of Clinton but are here because their wives really, really want to see Hillary. “I think we need to put a woman up there,” a woman named Kim tells me. “The men have done enough.”

“She cares a lot about health care, and there are so many people that fall between the cracks right now,” another woman, Jane, says. “I really think she could make a positive change and it’s about time we had a woman president.”

“I like what she does, and how she fights for the people,” a woman named Gloria tells me. “That’s what this country needs, somebody who’s going to fight for us.”

There’s a lot of that feeling in St. Clairsville. Things are not going well here. According to the U.S. census, the median household income in Belmont County, where St. Clairsville is located, was $32,910 in 2004, well below the Ohio median household income of $43,371, which is itself a bit below the national median. College degrees are rare; according to the census, just 11 percent of adults in the county have a bachelor’s degree or higher, and 20 percent never finished high school.

Clinton surely knows that as she promises to lower the costs of going to college, offering debt relief for people who graduate and go into teaching, or nursing, or law enforcement. “And I want to say something about all the other people who don’t go to college,” she adds. “You know, most people don’t go to college and graduate. And these are the people who build the buildings that we live and work in. They keep the economy going. They do most of the jobs in our society. I want to pay more attention to you.” She promises job training and community college programs.

The economy is what people want to hear about, and the economy is what Clinton gives them. Even her relatively brief remarks on the war in Iraq focus on quickly pulling U.S. troops out and providing them more benefits upon their return home. Promising a “21st Century G.I. Bill of Rights,” Clinton pledges more money for veterans to go to college, buy homes, and start businesses.

When it comes time to take questions, they’re nearly all about the economy. The first man to stand up says, “I work in a steel mill. We didn’t get no help last time. Are you going to help us this time? Those Chinese are killing us.” Clinton pledges help. Other questioners want to know about reducing the cost of special education and how to save money installing solar energy systems in their homes.

No one talks about Hillary Clinton’s readiness to be commander-in-chief. But not long after her appearance in St. Clairsville, Clinton will roll out a new attack against Barack Obama, the now-famous phone-rings-at-3-A.M. ad, charging that Obama doesn’t have what it takes to command the nation’s armed services. It’s gotten a lot of attention in the press and put Obama on the defensive. But it’s not what this Democratic race is about, certainly not here in Ohio.

A Washington Post/ABC News poll, finished a couple of weeks ago, asked Ohio Democrats to name the most important issue in their choice of a presidential candidate. Thirty-four percent said the economy and jobs. Thirty percent said health care. Nine percent said the war in Iraq, by which they most certainly meant a rapid withdrawal of U.S. troops. Three percent said ethics and honesty in government. Three percent said “change.” Two percent said education. And one percent said terrorism and national security. (The Post and ABC asked the same question in Texas, and the answers were similar; one percent named terrorism and national security as the top issue.)

Those numbers are supported by the experience of just walking around in Ohio. I ask a lot of people why they support, or don’t support, Hillary Clinton, and no one tells me it is because she would be a better or worse commander-in-chief than Barack Obama.

And it’s hard to believe that it’s a top priority for Sen. Clinton herself. Her event before coming to St. Clairsville was an “Economic Solutions for America Summit” in Zanesville, about 60 miles away. The event was by nature about the economy, but there was a weird, inadvertent moment when one of the participants made a little speech that was a perfect preview of the “3 A.M.” ad the Clinton campaign would release little more than a day later. And Sen. Clinton appeared to have no interest in it at all.

It happened when Clinton called on Florine Mark, who is the CEO of Weight Watchers, Inc. Clinton wanted Mark to talk about health care, weight control, and disease prevention, but Mark seemed more interested in fawning over Clinton and describing what a marvelous president she would be. At the end of her remarks, Mark said, “I will tell you one other thing. I will only feel safe if this woman becomes president of the United States of America. If, God forbid, that phone, that red phone in the White House, rings, I want her there to answer it.”

Nobody paid any attention to it at the time - by the time Mark spoke, the crowd was thinning pretty fast and reporters were checking their BlackBerries - but in retrospect, Mark had hit the Clinton theme for the last days of the Ohio campaign. Except that Clinton wasn’t interested. “We’re going to put a moratorium on compliments,” she said curtly as the remaining crowd applauded Mark’s words. “I’m very grateful for those kind remarks, but I really feel that what you have done to emphasize prevention is key.”

And that is the Democratic race, here in Ohio and in many other places around the country. Clinton can suggest that Barack Obama isn’t ready for the national-security emergencies the next president will face. But go to her events and talk to her supporters. For the voters, it’s an issue that is way, way down the list of priorities, perhaps because they sense it’s low on her priority list, too.

By Byron York
Reprinted with permission from National Review Online.



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by njfilm March 4, 2008 2:43 PM PST
Those who think Hillary will fix the economy should know that in her tenure as NY state senator, NY has lost 30,000 jobs.Those that think she will fix healthcare should realize that she has already had fifteen years, starting with her secret meetings in 1993, and she and bill did nothing. Her thirty five years of experience amount to one + term in the senate from a state she never lived in. Housewife to the president, housewife to the governor, corporate shill for the Rose Law Firm, because her husband was governor, board of Wal Mart, defending a rapist by putting a 12 year old victim on the stand,spending 140 million dollars on a campaign she thought would end in Feb, and complaining about lack of money; none of these count as experience.The Clinton''s are the most dishonest, self serving politicians of our generation. Wake up.
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by chrishh March 4, 2008 2:44 PM PST

This article is junk. Another press person with something against Hillary Clinton. Give up reporting. Try fiction -- you seem good at it.

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by njfilm March 4, 2008 2:48 PM PST
I''m not with the press, and I wish it were fiction. Tell me one citation in my statement which is not true.
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by mistafied187 March 4, 2008 3:00 PM PST
http://youtube.com/user/MISTAFIEDONEEIGHTSEV
Read it and Weep.. I dissolved the US government Last night. Time to wakeup and change. No more Corrupt Globalist Scum. The Government is dissovled!
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by Razzl March 4, 2008 3:03 PM PST
A good piece of field reporting in a source that''s otherwise a propaganda outlet. Hillary''s attempt to use the politics of fear ala George Bush and Karl Rove is disturbing, but apparently not dangerous if there''s no audience for it. My theory that 9/11 is over and that the "war on terror" is a mummified neocon campaign concept seems correct here. The public is done with 9/11, the fear is over, and everybody''s moved on. None of that bodes well for John McCain and if Hillary becomes the nominee we can only hope she won''t try to match him in ginning up the fear machine, which is a losing proposition for her but could be a winning proposition for him if she won''t let it go...
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by ivagrey March 4, 2008 3:11 PM PST
We do know this: HC is ready to be a GW-style commander-in-chief with all the lame fear-mongering she''s up to lately. Thank goodness the majority of Americans have wisened up and rejected this type of reprehensible politicking for 2008. If HC is already getting this desperate, imagine what the rest of the campaign and presidency will be like. Do we really want to sit through 4-years of whining about unfair media treatment?
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by ivagrey March 4, 2008 3:12 PM PST
We do know this: HC is ready to be a GW-style commander-in-chief with all the lame fear-mongering she''s up to lately. Thank goodness the majority of Americans have wisened up and rejected this type of reprehensible politicking for 2008. If HC is already getting this desperate, imagine what the rest of her campaign and presidency will be like. Do we really want to sit through 4-years of whining about unfair media treatment?
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by njfilm March 4, 2008 3:16 PM PST
Hillary''s base has degenerated to the most racist parts of our society. Old woman, who traditionally hate and fear anything unknown, including African Americans, and Hispanics, fanned by the racist flames of Hillary''s divisive politics.Little do the know that, when it''s expedient, she''ll throw them under the bus too.
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by magnetrack March 4, 2008 3:25 PM PST
Obama can''t even call a meeting of his Afghanistan committee, and that''s an easy job. Donald Trump would tell Obama, "You''re fired." You failed to do your job.
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by jcr103 March 4, 2008 3:34 PM PST
Compared to Bush--anything is a step in the right direction.
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by valentin73 March 4, 2008 4:51 PM PST
Would Clinton make a better Commander In Chief?????

Just ask Bill Clinton: Does Hillary wear the pants?

Of course she would!!! She wears the pants!!!
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by erasmus6 March 4, 2008 5:09 PM PST
"Just ask Bill Clinton: Does Hillary wear the pants?" posted by valentin73

Well I can''t speak for Hillary but sometimes in certain relationships, someone has to wear the pants!

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by guysdigdirt March 4, 2008 5:09 PM PST
Compared to Bush--anything is a step in the right direction.
Posted by jcr103

That''s what was said about clinton, the male.
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by magnetrack March 4, 2008 5:30 PM PST
Obama has now gone negative on viability as a candidate. No resume, Rezco, all talk and no action committee chair on Afghanistan (proving what the Hillary camp has said all along), the Joe Wilson article, the Philadelphia Inquirer and Canada/NAFTA. He has watery eyes when he answers questions now; he comes across as weak. Clinton''s tears, and Bush''s, and the other Bush''s, and Reagan''s and all the others have been from caring while Obama''s will be from his first exposure to losing, confusion and being attacked. He''ll be attacked mercilessly by the GOP, as Hillary has been. Remember how Kerry was a war hero at the convention? The Democrats are starting to realize he''s a non-viable, weak, candidate, so the old delegates won''t matter.
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by njfilm March 4, 2008 5:48 PM PST
Those who think Hillary will fix the economy should know that in her tenure as NY state senator, NY has lost 30,000 jobs.Those that think she will fix healthcare should realize that she has already had fifteen years, starting with her secret meetings in 1993, and she and bill did nothing. Her thirty five years of experience amount to one + term in the senate from a state she never lived in. Housewife to the president, housewife to the governor, corporate shill for the Rose Law Firm, because her husband was governor, board of Wal Mart, defending a rapist by putting a 12 year old victim on the stand,spending 140 million dollars on a campaign she thought would end in Feb, and complaining about lack of money; none of these count as experience.The Clinton''''s are the most dishonest, self serving politicians of our generation. Wake up.
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by tbweb March 4, 2008 6:19 PM PST
Is Clinton Better For Commander-In-Chief?

Only in the context that former Pres. Bill Clinton would be within reach and serve as her adviser since he did the job before, otherwise neither Sen. Clinton nor Sen. Obama can claim any meaningful experience never having been President before.
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by albinm March 4, 2008 7:19 PM PST
hillary and obama will not make a good commander an chief. if they win, they will learn the hard way. as for bill helping hillary, that will be a wash. bill was a poor commander an chief as president. at times of war we should have someone who has military experience. civilian polititions generalally make poor commanders an chiefs, but then again bush with his experience has''nt done to well. for the democrates obama seems to have his head screwed on tight, and for the republicans mccain wins hands down.
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by b-easy63 March 4, 2008 8:03 PM PST
an chief as president. at times of war we should have someone who has military experience. civilian polititions generalally make poor commanders an chiefs, but then again bush with his experience has''''nt done to well. for the democrates obama seems to have his head screwed on tight, and for the republicans mccain wins hands down.

Posted by albinm at 07:19 PM : Mar 04, 2008


Why is being in uniform great experience for CIC. There are a lot of people who have been in and out of hospitals all of their lives, but few are ever touted as being able to be great surgeons by dint of their experiences. Case in point: McCAin was a POW. So...shall he teach other soldiers how to surrender intelligently and stay alive in captivity? Or do you imagine, because someone has fought in a war, that they somehow now--know how to plan and strategize and execute a war? That is quite a stretch for anyone. Common sense says what any grunt or officer saw of the big picture in Vietnam or even is this war is very small---it has to be--in order to be effective in their mission--soldiers must JUST do their job, and not harp about or try to second guess the entire operation.
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by b-easy63 March 4, 2008 8:06 PM PST
Those who hate Hillary are:
also the same type of people who hate two faced, duplicitous, waffling, self centered,manipulative, conscienceless, corporate azz kissing, conniving liars.

Posted by IRLiberal at 05:32 PM : Mar 04, 2008
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by kesac4650 March 4, 2008 8:10 PM PST
Hillary would certainly have more respect for our military than Obama has shown, unfortunately, she has lost the nomination, unless the Super Delegates just throwh her a bone, in defiance of the will of Democratic voters.
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by excoachken March 4, 2008 8:13 PM PST
Who really cares what Rush Limpwrist tells his dildoheads to do?
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by erasmus6 March 4, 2008 8:59 PM PST
The rest of the world thinks that Bill Clinton was a very good president but many Americans don''t. I am curious, exactly WHO do you think was a good president?
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by idlepugilist March 4, 2008 9:26 PM PST
Hillary haters actually tend to be men with male-dominance issues. They also tend to associate attributes of an family member as though Hillary was the one who played with the cigar. The trouble is that Barack was the one who tooted coke, and that will be one of the darling issues for the GOP should Barack actually get the votes.
If Hillary doesn''t get the nod, it will be the direct result of unmotivated middle-aged women who would rather sit at home believing someone else will surely step up and vote for their conviction.
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by sharncedar March 4, 2008 9:43 PM PST
Lets hope the sick fiend garbage worthless Clintons only destroy the Democratic party and not the whole country. Meaning - go John McCain! I''ll personally fly to Iraq and torture civilians if it means our country is spared the destructive self-centered Clintons for 8 years. And I''m a anti-war guy.

Hillary Clinton has placed herself as the candidate of anti-hope, of cynicism, of aggression and ambition without regard for her own party or for anything except what the Clintons have always stood for - themselves.

I''ll do whatever it takes to help john McCaim, I''ve given up on Obama, the Democrats make me sick, anyone who would allow a divisve hater like Hillery Clinton to stay in the race deserve to lose, and never deserve to lead America. Thanks, Demoncraps, for waking me up. Never trust a liberal. Even Obama to me now looks like anothe Hillary, a negative, selfish liberal.
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by rational_1 March 4, 2008 9:46 PM PST
Hillary haters actually tend to be men with male-dominance issues. They also tend to associate attributes of an family member as though Hillary was the one who played with the cigar.
Posted by IdlePugilist at 09:26 PM : Mar 04, 2008

I''m glad a professional psychologist finally explained my thought processes to me! LOL.

Right now it''s not looking good for your gal in Texas.
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by sharncedar March 4, 2008 9:47 PM PST
The rest of the world thinks that Bill Clinton was a very good president but many Americans don''''t. I am curious, exactly WHO do you think was a good president?

Posted by erasmus6 at 08:59 PM : Mar 04, 2008

Bill Clinton was a very, very good president - for the rest of the world. He attacked America''s economy and betrayed us to foreign interests, leaving us weak and broke. I''ve explained this so many times to foreign friends of mine. Of COURSE YOU LIKE BILL CLINTON HE WAS A TRAITOR. They can;t get it. Suppose the president of France was LOVED TO DEATH in the US because he gave all the French jobs away to Americans, and betrayed French culture and French interests in favor of Americans. Of course Americans would love him. Do you get it? How dumb are you people? He WAS A TRAITOR. Do you understand? You are a foreigner, you like him, he betrayed the US and helped foreign interest, is this rocket science?
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by sharncedar March 4, 2008 9:53 PM PST
Bill Clinton engineered the great betrayal of the offshoring process that left our economy in ruins and us in an inferior position to countries like China that we once dominated. Is it a surprise the Chinese and Indians love Clinton? He is like a god there, he brokered the secret deals and opened up the offshoring business that allowed them to become wealthy and to punish and dominate the United States, to take our food from us and our oil from us. Of course, foreigners love Clinton. He was THEIR PRESIDENT, NOT OURS. Here, the word "Clinton" is a damned swear word, a word meaning NAFTA-loving scum.

Monica Lewinsky did to Bill what he was doing to big business, and then they did us. And we are now just beginning to reap the benefits of the Clinton "free trade" policies, which is ruination and poverty and chaos.
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by hawksprings March 4, 2008 10:17 PM PST
"Is Clinton Better For Commander-In-Chief?"

No.

Commander-In-Cheat, maybe.
But not Commander-In-Chief.
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by blondie4359 March 4, 2008 10:19 PM PST
Anyone have some kool aid ??

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by blondie4359 March 4, 2008 10:26 PM PST
All those Obama supporters can go and report back to their leader who gives alot of Rhetoric about NAFTA and then does the opposite. MMM. It will be interesting what he has to say in court over his house and the slum lord... like a typical politician.. Hillary is not perfect.. too bad we do not have a decent Independent to vote for. AND NO !! I AM NO A HILLARY SUPPORTER. YOU NEED TO GET SOME FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU START RUNNING YOUR MOUTH...
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by ubrew12 March 4, 2008 10:52 PM PST
"Is Clinton Better For Commander-In-Chief?"

Better than who. Better than Bush? Anyone is better than Bush. The commander doesn''t just order others to die for their nation. He, more significantly, doesn''t order, because he did the tough work of fixing the problem without war. Bush doesn''t do tough work (unless its clearing weeds in Crawford).
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by idlepugilist March 5, 2008 12:21 AM PST
It''s progressives like SharnCedar who create delusional histories, burn books and love war. Sorry you didn''t like Bill Clinton. Let''s step it up several years now, and witness the American rejection of the Republican party for the condescending, falsely righteous and deceitful manipulation of America. And for George''s War, which George''s favorite - McCain - will keep on the front burner for as long is it takes to find a lingering stalemate. Can you say "Gaza Strip"?
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by gogam March 5, 2008 2:11 AM PST
Hillary may not be the best in history but for this lot I think so.

Obama may be a nice guy but he is too opportunistic and full of hyperbole. He''s eloquent, humble but something about him still sticks in my mind. HE HAS NO STAND ON ANY VIEWS, NO CHARACTER-DEFINING MOMENT WHERE HE SHOWED HIS METTLE. His non-vote on the war isn''t defining. It''s just self-serving. He wasn''t the ONLY person NOT to vote. Hell, I DIDN''T vote for Bush because I knew he was a moron --DOES THAT MAKE MY JUDGEMENT JUST AS GOOD AS OBAMA''S JUDGEMENT IN IRAQ. IF THAT''S THE CASE THEN PEOPLE SHOULD CHOOSE MY POINT OF VIEW AND PICK HILLARY.

But that is NOT why I support Hillary. It''s not because she is a fighter or all those things that her campaign has put up as her raison d''etre of the campaign.

I''m voting for Hillary because as a WOMAN she represents change in the real sense of the world. Obama is black BUT he is still a man. Men have too long been in the driver''s seat. How the world will view us now that we have a WOMAN in power is a very interesting alternative. Historically speaking, how many wars have WOMEN waged? Now there is an interesting statistic.

If YOU WILL TRUST MY JUDGEMENT THAT I DIDN''T VOTE FOR BUSH THEN you should pick Hillary lest you want to watch another 4 year train-wreck.
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by gogam March 5, 2008 2:29 AM PST
SharnCedar is obviously not well-educated.

If you have had a clue about economics you would understand that outsourcing low skill, labour-intensive manufacturing jobs to foreign countries have provided HUGE profits for domestic companies. Profits that were taxed by the government that paid for local earmarks in your respective states (oh and the stupid war).

Unemployment is always going to be problem. But Clinton actually created more jobs and grew a surplus in the fiscal budget and that means MORE money to spend on domestic issues.

Get a clue before you argue your points. Better yet, get an education!
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by gogam March 5, 2008 2:29 AM PST
SharnCedar is obviously not well-educated.

If you have had a clue about economics you would understand that outsourcing low skill, labour-intensive manufacturing jobs to foreign countries have provided HUGE profits for domestic companies. Profits that were taxed by the government that paid for local earmarks in your respective states (oh and the stupid war).

Unemployment is always going to be problem. But Clinton actually created more jobs and grew a surplus in the fiscal budget and that means MORE money to spend on domestic issues.

Get a clue before you argue your points. Better yet, get an education!
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by gogam March 5, 2008 2:30 AM PST
SharnCedar is obviously not well-educated.

If you have had a clue about economics you would understand that outsourcing low skill, labour-intensive manufacturing jobs to foreign countries have provided HUGE profits for domestic companies. Profits that were taxed by the government that paid for local earmarks in your respective states (oh and the stupid war).

Unemployment is always going to be problem. But Clinton actually created more jobs and grew a surplus in the fiscal budget and that means MORE money to spend on domestic issues.

Get a clue before you argue your points. Better yet, get an education!
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by gogam March 5, 2008 2:34 AM PST
My apologies for clicking "publish" so zealously resulting in thrice posting of my comments.

At least Bill was smart enough to make money for Americans and make the economy vibrant. Distribution of wealth is another matter altogether.
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by nightwatchdog March 5, 2008 2:50 AM PST
I have Hillary as a Senator - and I honestly don''t believe she''s qualified for that job, let alone the job as president.

Really, I''m a democrat, and there is no way I would support her in her bid for the White House, Obama, McCain, even Nader is more qualified than her.

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by erasmus6 March 5, 2008 2:51 AM PST
Posted by SharnCedar at 09:47 PM : Mar 04, 2008

Is that all you people do is whine?

I don''t think it would matter who you had for a president, you won''t be happy with anyone.
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by erasmus6 March 5, 2008 2:52 AM PST
"Right now it''''s not looking good for your gal in Texas." posted by rational_1

You were saying?

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by knyghtwolf March 5, 2008 3:45 AM PST
As the chimp in charge has so aptly proven, he is the WORST prez to hit history and was ASSIGNED it, never won it. As far as either Hillary or Obama being president by ELECTION, either may turn out to be as great a president polar opposite to the bush(wacker)regime. As far as McCain goes, remove brain, get bush again, here we go again. Set up an embassy at the North Pole and send him there permanently to monitor the polar bears & seals. At no time should any sharp objects be placed in his location, even send cheney with him, along with ten gallons of astro-lube.
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by knyghtwolf March 5, 2008 3:49 AM PST
Obama stands in front of a sign that says BELIEVE, right under the part of the sign that says: LIE, could this be some sort of religious sign, perhaps a warning from someone''s god perhaps? Don''t know, stay tuned. His favorite twilight zone episode is, To Serve Man, makes one wonder does it not?
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by rational_1 March 5, 2008 8:34 AM PST
"Right now it''''''''s not looking good for your gal in Texas." posted by rational_1

You were saying?
Posted by erasmus6 at 02:52 AM : Mar 05, 2008

Yup, nice turn around to narrowly win the popular vote in Texas in the primary. Unfortunately for Hillary the currency in this election process is delegates. Thus far she has a slim lead in TX delegates after the primary but initial results in the caucuses are favoring Obama. So, winning the popular vote while losing or drawing in delegates is a bit like winning the battle but losing the war. Might be a day or two before Clinton can really declare she won Texas. And even if she does, she still has quite an uphill climb to catch up to Obama in the overall pledged delegate count, and she''s rapidly running out of delegates still at play.
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by rdhohenstein March 5, 2008 9:45 AM PST
The only reason Bill Clinton was a good president is that he rode on the coat-tails of Gerorge Bush. By the end of his term he had ruined everthing the rebulicans had built up so he got the credit. Now another Clinton says she will clean up this economy--ya right--big joke. I do not think Clinton or Obama is quailified. Even though I am a democrat I will be voting for McCain!!!!!!!!
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by zendigity March 5, 2008 10:35 AM PST
It''s truly scary just how many women vote for clinton Just because she''s a woman.

Reminds me of how many evangelicals voted for Bush just because he seemed like the kind of guy they could kick back and enjoy a beer with.

PAY ATTENTION PEOPLE...Clinton represents the SAME Corporate interests that Bush does.

America may very well be doomed.

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by relee42 March 5, 2008 11:06 AM PST
So much for the red phone and the guilt by association strategy. A point and a half in Texas and 5 points in Ohio, isn''t going to win the nomination. So far it is Clinton, who is using the Rove play book.
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by erasmus6 March 5, 2008 11:21 AM PST
Posted by rational_1 at 08:34 AM : Mar 05, 2008

Your voting system is pathetic. It should be what the majority of people want.
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by erasmus6 March 5, 2008 11:29 AM PST
"It''''s truly scary just how many women vote for clinton Just because she''''s a woman." posted by Zendigity

What is truly scary is just how many men are not voting for Hillary because she IS a woman.

A lot of women are voting for her not because she is a woman but because she will make the better president. And the ones that are voting for her because she is a woman, well that is because they have seen what a man can do and figure that a woman could probably do a whole lot better. A man''s focus is on POWER and MONEY. A woman will be more likely to focus on other things like family and healthcare. A man generally thinks of himself before others and a woman usually thinks of others before herself.

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