LOS ANGELES, Mar. 2, 2008

Court Upholds Navy Sonar Ban Off S. Calif.

Law To Prevent Use Of Sonar That Harms Whales Is Upheld

  • An appeals court upheld a law banning the Navy's use of sonar within a 12-mile stretch of ocean off Southern California. Environmentalists claim such use harm whales and other marine mammals.

    An appeals court upheld a law banning the Navy's use of sonar within a 12-mile stretch of ocean off Southern California. Environmentalists claim such use harm whales and other marine mammals.  (iStockphoto)

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(AP)  The Navy must abide by limits on its sonar training off the Southern California coast because the exercises could harm dozens of species of whales and dolphins, a federal appeals court ruled.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Friday night rejected the Navy's appeal of restrictions that banned high-powered sonar within 12 nautical miles of the coast and set other limits that could affect Navy training exercises to begin this month.

Also on Friday, a federal judge in Hawaii issued a similar ban for that state's coastline.

In the California case, the appellate judges let stand most of a lower court injunction that set the limits, but altered two restrictions that the Navy argued could harm the readiness of its ships for combat.

Conservation groups that had sued to block the Navy's use of high-powered sonar said the decision was a victory for their side.

"The court is saying that neither the president nor the U.S. Navy is above the law," Joel Reynolds, director of the Marine Mammal Protection Project at the Natural Resources Defense Council, said in a statement Saturday.

"The court found that the Navy must be environmentally responsible when training with high intensity sonar, and that doing so won't interfere with military readiness," he said.

The Navy has argued that additional restrictions would hamper its ability to train effectively.

"In ordering additional mitigation to reduce the risk to marine mammals, the order shifts the risk to sailors and Marines," Capt. Scott Gureck, a Navy spokesman, said in a statement responding to the Hawaii ruling.

Southern California's coastal waters are home to dozens of species of whales and dolphins, seals, and sea lions. Nine species are federally listed as endangered or threatened.

The appellate court said the Navy has acknowledged that high-powered sonar may cause hearing loss and other injuries to marine mammals. The court said the Navy has estimated that its Southern California exercises would expose more than 500 beaked whales to harassment and would result in temporary hearing loss to thousands of marine mammals.

The ban requires the Navy to limit the decibel levels of its sonar under certain ocean conditions and to stop using it altogether when a marine mammals is detected within 2,200 yards of a sonar source.

The Navy said those restrictions would limit its ability to conduct anti-submarine warfare training and possibly prevent certification of some naval strike groups preparing to deploy to the Persian Gulf.

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The court is saying that neither the president nor the U.S. Navy is above the law.

Joel Reynolds, Natural Resources Defense Council
The appellate court staggered the sound-level reductions during certain ocean conditions and tied them to the proximity of a marine mammal. The court also said the Navy can continue to use sonar - although at a lower sound level - when a marine mammal is within 2,200 yards if the sonar is being used "at a critical point in the exercise."

In the Hawaii decision, U.S. District Judge David Ezra ordered the Navy to look for marine mammals for one hour each day before using sonar, employ three lookouts exclusively to spot the animals during sonar use and stop sonar transmission altogether when one of the mammals is within 500 meters, which is nearly 547 yards.

The Navy plans to conduct as many as 12 exercises off Hawaii over the next couple of years. Navy officials say Hawaii waters provide a unique environment that includes both deep and shallow water for training.

The Navy undertakes "extensive measures" to protect marine mammals during training and is considering asking for more review, possibly by the U.S. Supreme Court, said spokeswoman Lt. Cmdr. Cindy Moore.

"We're a country engaged in two wars. When we send America's sons and daughters into harm's way, we must ensure they have the best possible training," she said.

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by rf35 March 3, 2008 3:57 PM EST
"''In ordering additional mitigation to reduce the risk to marine mammals, the order shifts the risk to sailors and Marines,'' Capt. Scott Gureck, a Navy spokesman, said..."

And this guy is an officer? That statement is an outright lie. What happened to the idea of "military integrity?%u201D If really believes that, then no amount of training will help. The ban only extends 12 miles from the coast%u2026so turn the sonar up to max at 13, dimwit! How about we let the Air Force conduct night training flights over major US cities? It%u2019s those cities we%u2019re training to protect anyway, right? Who cares if a few thousand people lose some sleep? If the Navy can%u2019t figure out how to train and test sonar in locations not covered by this ban than they are in serious, serious trouble.
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by luvneverend1 March 3, 2008 11:52 AM EST
LIES. Bush needs to meet the same fate as Saddam.... Hey maybe they could have a private corner in HELL? Sieg Heil Bush!! BTW, I found =====meetwealthyboomer.com===== is a great place for mature adults to meet fun and love. You may check it out! I also signed up the site. Amazing! I will end my single life quickly.
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by luvneverend1 March 3, 2008 11:52 AM EST
LIES. Bush needs to meet the same fate as Saddam.... Hey maybe they could have a private corner in HELL? Sieg Heil Bush!! BTW, I found =====meetwealthyboomer.com===== is a great place for mature adults to meet fun and love. You may check it out! I also signed up the site. Amazing! I will end my single life quickly.
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by caliengineer March 3, 2008 1:51 AM EST
This legislation was pushed through by hippies. No one should be permitted to be politically active, or even to vote, unless they have either: 1.) Served in the military, or 2.) Lived/ traveled abroad for at least two years on at least two continents in at least 3 countries, including one NOT friendly to the United States.

THEN you can vote and be politically active.
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by jumkey March 2, 2008 9:13 PM EST
US territorial waters are effectively 200 miles, but regardless US laws apply outside as well for US ships - and they certainly apply to the US Navy wherever it is operating.

BTW, I''m still waiting for that citation lewiston14, unless you''re just talking out of you a$$ or course.
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by lorinkundert March 2, 2008 9:04 PM EST
The President cannot assume any special powers nor suspend the Constitution unless there is an insurrection or we have been invaded, Of course the Patriot Act misleads everyone into thinking he can do whatever he wants.
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by lorinkundert March 2, 2008 9:02 PM EST
What happens outside the 12 mile limit is beyond the US court systems jurisdiction.
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by jumkey March 2, 2008 8:50 PM EST
Make WHO stop? Bush?

Come on Mr. DVD Constitutional scholar. For about the 5th time quote me WHERE in the Constitution it says the President is above the law.

You can''t because it doesn''t say that. ANYWHERE.

Or maybe you can''t read?
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by lewiston14 March 2, 2008 8:43 PM EST
Well VET then you hop on over to Washington and make him stop.
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by shanev137 March 2, 2008 8:15 PM EST
Bush would kill all the whales if he could get away with it.
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by mcvet March 2, 2008 7:41 PM EST
Jim1348:
I agree with what you posted. I have a copy of the Constitution on DVD sitting in back of me and have read it. People would be surprised at the vast powers a president has in the name of national defense or in times of war. Lew

Any President



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Posted by lewiston14 at 04:08 PM : Mar 02, 2008

What does it say about a lower that life piece of human scum that starts that war based on LIES. Bush needs to meet the same fate as Saddam.... Hey maybe they could have a private corner in HELL? Sieg Heil Bush!!
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by jumkey March 2, 2008 7:33 PM EST
Again...

Quote the section of the Constitution of the United States where it says the President can "override" the law.

HE CAN''T.
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by lewiston14 March 2, 2008 7:28 PM EST
Go back and read it again except this time read all of it.
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by ontheleft March 2, 2008 7:26 PM EST
Argghh! Not being able to use sonar is going to make us more vulnerable to a terrorist attack! Let Bush do whatever he wants so that we are safe from the terrorists. Be afraid. Hide underneath the covers. Vote Republican. Yippee!
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by jumkey March 2, 2008 7:11 PM EST
Jim1348:

I''ve read the Constitution many times. Have you? Please refer me to the section that says the President is above the law or where he can "override" what the courts have ruled.

Let me give you a hint: there isn''t one and he can''t.

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by lewiston14 March 2, 2008 7:08 PM EST
Jim1348:
I agree with what you posted. I have a copy of the Constitution on DVD sitting in back of me and have read it. People would be surprised at the vast powers a president has in the name of national defense or in times of war. Lew

Any President
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by lewiston14 March 2, 2008 6:56 PM EST
Your not going to like this but all the note has to say is

%u201CIn the better interest of The United States national defense and as the commander and chief of the United States armed forces following my Constitutional duty to fulfill the obligations specified in the Constitution I must %u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u201D

You can fill in the blank
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by Jim1900 March 2, 2008 6:35 PM EST
jumkey,

The President, whether it is W. or otherwise, has a constitutional duty to fulfill the obligations specified in the Constitution. Why don''t you read it some time?
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by Marie Zarankevich March 2, 2008 6:23 PM EST
Has anyone else noticed that when George W. Bush is interviewed, his first response is to act surprised that the rest of America is still there, awaiting his answers ("Oh, YOU people!")? He gets this puzzled look on his face, as if responding to questions was not on his agenda, and now he must indulge this person. That has creeped me out on more than one occasion. mz
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by jumkey March 2, 2008 5:18 PM EST
Bush''s has a Constitutional duties to harm marine life?

Bush has a Constitutional duty to follow the law - that''s it pal. And the law says the Navy can''t do those sonar tests. If he orders the Navy to do otherwise he has broken the law and violated his Constitutional duty.

What a sad state America is in where we have to argue that the President isn''t above the law. Do you think you''re above the law jim1348? How about your neighbors? Friends? co-workers? I''ll bet the answer is "no" - and yet you argue the President is and more frighteningly you argue George Bush is.

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