Republicans Agree To Debate Anti-War Bill

GOP Senators Claim Discussion Will Give Them Change To Hail Progress In Iraq

(AP)  In an about-face, Senate Republicans on Tuesday agreed with Democrats to advance an anti-war bill because they said the debate would give them time to hail progress in Iraq.

The change of heart came after months of blocking similar measures. But unlike most of last year, security conditions in Iraq have improved, and Republicans say they now feel they have the upper hand on the debate.

"We welcome a discussion about Iraq," Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell declared.

The measure, by Democratic Sens. Russ Feingold of Wisconsin and Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, would cut off money for combat after 120 days. It had been expected to fall short of the 60 votes needed to overcome a procedural hurdle and move ahead.

But after Republicans agreed in a private meeting that the debate could help make their case, the Senate voted 70-24 to begin debating it in earnest.

Aides said a final vote could come later this week, but may be pushed into next week.

The White House said the president would veto such a measure.

"This legislation would substitute the political judgment of legislators for the considered professional military judgment of our military commanders," the administration said in a statement.

Democrats said they welcomed the debate, although they accused Republicans of stalling on plans to debate other issues, namely the nation's housing crisis.

Reid said "a civil war rages" in Iraq and shouldn't be the responsibility of U.S. taxpayers.

"Americans need to start taking care of Americans," he said. "We cannot spend a half billion dollars every day in Iraq."

In recent months, violence in Iraq has subsided significantly and the Baghdad government has made small steps toward political reconciliation, including plans to hold provincial elections on Oct. 1.

While Democratic voters remain largely against the war, polls have shown, the security improvement has helped to cool anxiety among Republicans and turned voters' focus to economic problems at home.

Still, Republicans say they have more convincing to do if they are to control the White House next year.

Sen. John McCain, the GOP's likely presidential nominee, said this week that to win the White House he must convince a war-weary country that U.S. policy in Iraq in succeeding.

If he can't, "then I lose. I lose," the Arizona Republican said. He quickly backed off the remark.

McCain was not expected to return to Washington for the debate. But he said he opposes the bill.

"If ever there was a case for precipitous withdrawal from Iraq - and I believe there never was - now is the last time anyone should consider such a step," he said in a statement.

Tuesday's Senate vote came as the Army's top general said he wants to reduce combat tours for soldiers in Iraq from 15 months to 12 months this summer.

Gen. George Casey, the Army chief of staff, told the Senate Armed Services Committee that he would not embrace going back to the longer tours even if Mr. Bush decided to suspend troop reductions for the second half of the year. The Army is under serious strain from years of war-fighting, he testified, and must reduce the length of combat tours as soon as possible.

"The cumulative effects of the last six-plus years at war have left our Army out of balance, consumed by the current fight and unable to do the things we know we need to do to properly sustain our all-volunteer force and restore our flexibility for an uncertain future," Casey said.

Casey, who was the top U.S. commander in Iraq before taking the chief of staff job last spring, told the committee that cutting the time soldiers spend in combat is an integral part of reducing the stress on the force.

He said he anticipates the service can cut combat tours back to 12 months this summer as long as the president reduces the number of active-duty Army brigades in Iraq and Afghanistan to 15 units by July, as planned.

The committee chairman, Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., pressed Casey on whether he could keep tour lengths at 12 months if Mr. Bush decides to suspend the troop reductions after reaching 15 brigades in July.

"We believe it will still be possible, even with the pause," Casey replied. When asked by Levin if that would hold true "regardless of the length of the pause," Casey, replied, "Yes."

However, the number of soldiers retained under the service's "stop loss" policy - which forces some soldiers to stay on beyond their retirement or re-enlistment dates - is unlikely to be reduced substantially.

"We are consuming readiness now as quickly as we're building it," said Army Secretary Pete Geren, who also testified.

Geren urged Congress to pass a $100 billion war spending bill this spring, contending that the Army will run out of money by July.

According to the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service, the Army could probably last until August or September by transferring money from less urgent accounts. Army officials counter that this approach is inefficient and can cause major program disruptions.

[samthetvcat]

From McCain''s website:

"John McCain agrees with retired Army General Jack Keane that there are SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH AMERICAN FORCES IN IRAQ." (emphasis mine)

I''d prefer to see the slacker do-nothing fat-cats up in Washington actually get something done. But since the Repubs are too busy eating with lobbyists standing up, I look forward to hearing them make pleas for more troops in support of their apparent nominee.

PS McCain''s got a plan for creating jobs - too bad you have to be an Iraqi living in Iraq to benefit.

Republidorks are going down!

[ramos937]

"Sen. John McCain, the party''s probable presidential nominee, said this week that to win the White House he must convince a war-weary country that U.S. policy in Iraq in succeeding.If he can''t, "then I lose. I lose," he said. He quickly backed off the remark. "

McCain was right the first time and he should know. The GOP Senate/House now realizes that over 60% of the USA wants our guys home. How can they vote for the war and then go back home and tell their electorate that the needs of the Iraq people come first before theirs. If they do, then they will be voted out of office in 11/2008.

[brianbwb-2009]

We already know the outcome, the Republicans will posit from ethnic and religious intolerance, hubris, and misplaced pseudo-patriotism, wishing to stay in Iraq for as long as they can steal the war profits, no matter that it is based on a lie, and while professing to be "behind the troops," they actually don''t care at all about how many die for George''s lies, and won''t even consider the logical expression of support, pull them out, now.

The Democrats will also feign hubris, and also profess concern, but will propose to pull out gradually, so they can get their turn at the corrupt war profits.

But neither side will call for the original liars who started it, Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice, and Feith, to be held personally responsible for their treasons and crimes against humanity.

So in the end, no action, just more lies and BS.

[rowdytexan2]

It is so strange that the Neocon conservatives keep talking about how we''re going to have to pull up our boot straps, live within our means, take care of our aging and disabled, pay $1,000 a month for an average family''s insurance premiums, keep America''s infrastructure workable, as they reap huge profits out of our $7-$8 salaries, and foreclose on our homes and yet demand half a billion $''s per paycheck period to support the occupation of Iraq.

Isn''t it time to say, sorry, we don''t have it...and bring our troops home?

Now is the time that the Iraqi''s need to stand up, get a grip and grab the freedom we''ve given them with five years of support and 4,000 young lives and make a better place for themselves. Or, they can decide that they want to live under the rules of some mad Islamic extremist cleric and just get on with it!

[ontheleft]

''they said the debate would give them an opportunity to praise the U.S. military''s progress in Iraq''

The war is not going to be won militarily, but politically. The government of Iraq has to be able to stand on its own and be able to control its own people and keep the peace. The big problem is, the government is dysfunctional.

[ontheleft]

''the Baghdad government has made small steps toward political reconciliation, including plans to hold provincial elections on Oct. 1''

Yeah, very small steps. And we are supposed to keep the peace and wait until after the October 1st election for the Iraqi government to take the steps that matter? This is getting ridiculous.

Far from being a success, the surge has been a FAILURE. Billions of dollars spent since last April and how many lives? What do we have to show for it? How much closer are we to getting out of there? We''re not any closer at all.

[skyk-2009]

The problem with going against the will of the American People is that every 4 years you MUST face them. YOU MUST explain why you have ignored their wishes. That''s why the Republican''s and McConnell have decided to debate this issue. It''s the ONLY chance they have. The people NOW see they were lied to and they see that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Unlike the last election when they were decieved the people are now looking for answers. It is not likely the Republican''s can provide any answers as to why we were lied too. All they can hope for is to create enough fear to hold on. Sad to see this once great party pulled to this level.

[skyk-2009]

"The cumulative effects of the last six-plus years at war have left our Army out of balance, consumed by the current fight and unable to do the things we know we need to do to properly sustain our all-volunteer force and restore our flexibility for an uncertain future," Casey said.

935 times the Bush Administration LIED to the American People. This is the result of those lies. Now we have a man who wants to take his place trying to make a case to continue this. HOW? Where do we find the Money? Where do we find the Men? We have absolutely ZERO help in Iraq. We have absolutely NO friends left. Where does it come from? How much will you children have to pay so Bush will not have to face the TRUTH? So John McCain will not have to face the TRUTH? IT was a LIE in 2003 and it will be a LIE in 3003, that will NEVER change.

[woodjd42]

We already know the outcome, the Republicans will posit from ethnic and religious intolerance, hubris, and misplaced pseudo-patriotism, wishing to stay in Iraq for as long as they can steal the war profits, no matter that it is based on a lie, and while professing to be "behind the troops," they actually don''''t care at all about how many die for George''''s lies, and won''''t even consider the logical expression of support, pull them out, now.

The Democrats will also feign hubris, and also profess concern, but will propose to pull out gradually, so they can get their turn at the corrupt war profits.

But neither side will call for the original liars who started it, Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice, and Feith, to be held personally responsible for their treasons and crimes against humanity.

So in the end, no action, just more lies and BS.


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Posted by brianbwb

I could not agree more. Both sides are so corrupt and will do or say anything to keep their profits coming into their pockets. I truly believe few if any of these pols truly care about our MIAs, KIAs, WIAs or any soldier or for that matter any of us, only theirselves.

[rowdytexan2]

We currently still have 160,000 soldiers in Iraq! How can the situation in Iraq be any better than it was on the day we went over there?

[mcvet]

Where are all the Bootlickers! They should be on here with all the talking points put out by the Reich... Oh that''s right, they no longer work do they. Oh well.. SIEG HEIL!

[truthspeake2]

This political posturing by the GOP has all to do with the upcoming election this November to help bolster their candidacy, their candidate, and their credibility as a viable party...don''t drink the kool-aid folks!

[downtowner97]

How can we praise the military''s progress in Iraq? We obviously don''t control Iraq. When we beat Germany in WW2, Russian was quick to move in and cut the country in half. This happened because we were spread so thin, we couldn''t stop them from doing so. Now we are spread so thin we can''t keep Turkey from cutting a big piece off of Iraq, and we have bases in Turkey. Turkey, people!

The goal in Iraq, some say, was to change the whole region. Replace the word "change" with "scare", and I think you have a more honest description of our motives. The problem is, we don''t scare them. How can you be afraid of someone who blunders so badly and so consistently? We are telling a nation of savage people who have been hardened by decades of Saddam''s rule that we will leave if they cower before us, while at the same time we build bases more numerous and expensive than Saddam''s palace and send money to our enemies all over the region for oil.

[demslie]

Thats right. IRAN, Al Qaeda and Democrats speak with one voice. After Sen. Harry Reid (d) announced that "The War is Lost", every Democrat alive has been looking for a way for unconditional surrender to the terrorists. Every democrat here is speaking the same "you can''t possibly win" words that Al Qaeda and IRAN have been saying for years. And notice that Democrats say they hate the war but "support the troops". Did you read the support here? It sounds like the Democraps hate the troops as much as any genocidal terrorist. And this is the New Change for America that Saddam Hussein OBAMA, Hitlery and the Democrats have promised us.

[trillion1]

Oh, to have a true third party. The GOP will lose big time due to the most corrupt WH in history. Unfortunatly the Dems are owned by big business too.

[jonsid2]

The Republicans are positioning themselves to later have a vote whereby McCain can vote favorably for a pullout, thus getting him out from under the perception of him as a war hawk. He admits that the Iraq occupation is not doing him any good and the 100 year statement is going to continually haunt him.

[mcvet]

Posted by demslie at 07:33 AM : Feb 27, 2008
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Are all Nazi''s REALLY this stupid?? 6 years and a Trillion Dollars and Bin Laden is just as fat and happy as he can be... he''s completely rebuilt his forces and is having a blast attacking when and where he wants. So what is the answer? Well I guess these Nazi''s think attacking and LYING about the position of everyone not in the "party" is the answer. We do NOT want to talk about the 935 LIES told by Bush to get us INTO Iraq and they will NOT do that. We do NOT want to talk about the fact that there were NO weapons in Iraq, NOPE that dosen''t help the "party". We do not want to discuss the fact that Iraq had NOTHING to do with any attack on us, that to doesn''t help the "Party". Well how about the INCOMPETENCE of this Administration in dealing with Iraq.. Nope can''t do that either! Got to protect the "Party" and the fuhrer so we HAVE to paint anyone who doesn''t agree with the Party or the fuhrer as being UN-American!! Hitler would be proud of you Swastika Hugging Bootlickers, VERY proud!! Sieg Heil Bush!! Sieg Heil Mein Fuhrer!!

[antoniof123]

These GOP members are dumber than dirt. It is not about the upper hand it is about who decides and we the voters are going to teach you a little lesson on who is the master and who is the slave.

You have awaken the swing voter and we are not pleased with your corruption.

[mcvet]

These GOP members are dumber than dirt. It is not about the upper hand it is about who decides and we the voters are going to teach you a little lesson on who is the master and who is the slave.

You have awaken the swing voter and we are not pleased with your corruption.


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Posted by antoniof123 at 07:51 AM : Feb 27, 2008
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Yes that is a fact!

[antoniof123]

Posted by terrorislam0 at 07:55 AM : Feb 27, 2008

The only slaver I am worried about is you religious neo con cult members you know the kind evil angelical christans.

[mcvet]

Posted by demslie at 07:33 AM : Feb 27, 2008
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Well where are you swastika hugger? Everyone knows you''re out there...come on out you coward! I''d like to know why you called HONEST American''s who''s ONLY "crime" is to point out the failures of the "Party" the names you did! Come on out.. you can keep your swastika if it makes you feel more safe! Sieg Heil Bush!!

[jonsid2]

The Republicans are positioning themselves to later have a vote whereby McCain can vote favorably for a pullout, thus getting him out from under the perception of him as a war hawk. He admits that the Iraq occupation is not doing him any good and the 100 year statement is going to continually haunt him.

[mcvet]

Posted by terrorislam0 at 07:57 AM : Feb 27, 2008
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That''s nice. We now know you are intelligent enough to cut and post statements from old dead Liberals. Let''s see how you do with TODAYS problems. There were 935 LIES told to the American People to get us into Iraq, a nation that posed no threat to us nor had any weapons to use against us, can you find ONE of them that is in fact a truth? Also, I''d like to know what fighting in Iraq does to help catch those who ACTUALLY attacked us and who we NOW admit is in ANOTHER Country. We have grown to expect people like the Marks Brothers to attack the WRONG country but shouldn''t we expect a little MORE out of our leader? HUMM?? Sieg Heil Grand Wizard!!

[antoniof123]

Posted by terrorislam0 at 08:00 AM : Feb 27, 2008

You really need to either go back to high school (if you ever grad) or pick up a history book.

Hitler was a cult member in fact he had the Pope bless his troops because he was such a cult member.

Wait don''t the evil angelicals bless their politicians?

Dumber than dirt.

[antoniof123]

MCVet do you think any of these bootlickers have ever seen a uniform? I mean they are quick to send us off to fight for them saying we support you troops but they never go. You what I mean they get deferrments or they get daddy to get them in the guard while the rest of us get shot at.

[demslie]

Thats right. All the Democrats can do here is call people names who disagree with them. Where is all the intellectual elitism that the left is famous for? All we hear at this post is IRAN, AL Qaeda and Democrats speaking with one voice.

[antoniof123]

And one other thing bootlickers when they bring us home we get called all kinds of nice names and denied benefits and are told their is nothing wrong with us.

Wow, so that is what it means for the Republicans who say support the troops. VoteVets.org and see how many vets are getting really ticked off at you bootlickers.

Dumber than dirt evil angelicals. Never ends they are to stupid to join so they cheer for their masters who never joined either.

Hey bootlickers and angelicals I hear they droped the standards so you may be able to get in and help fight. What do you say?

[liberalvet]

rightttt watch out for all those christian suicide murderers,,, they want to break off a piece of everybodies country and set up a theocracy,,,

oh, wait a minute,,, that is fascist nazi terrorislam,,,

good one

Posted by terrorislam0 at 08:00 AM : Feb 27, 2008

Hey numbnuts... you remeber the evangelical right wing christian radicals that fire bombed abortion clinics and gunned down doctors that performed abortions. If that is not terrorism then what is. Just like a neocon to point the finger and blame, but turn thier head and ears away from thier own treachery.

[liberalvet]

Posted by LiberalVet at 08:13 AM : Feb 27, 2008

hitler did that???

rightttt

yah,,, there are bombs going off every day all around the world at abortion clinics,,,

good one

you cannot equivocate the two,,, you have no standing,,,

Posted by terrorislam0 at 08:18 AM : Feb 27, 2008

Csn you read or are you just stupid. I did not say anything about Hitler. I made a factual statement about radical evangelicals killing abortion doctors and bombing clinics. It happened in all across this nation less than 10 years ago and is the major reasontight security measures are in place at these clinics today.

So lets coorelate...

Islamic radicals bomb facilities and kill people that equals terrorism.

Evangelical radicals bomb facilities and kill people that equals terrerism.

[liberalvet]

terrorislam0 I bet you feel the bombing of abortion clinics and killing of doctors is ok, since evangelicals did it.

[iceman_1960]

"This legislation would substitute the political judgment of legislators for the considered professional military judgment of our military commanders," the administration said in a statement."
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Another lie by Bush.

It is only for the shabbiest of political purposes that he wants to continue the war.

The Iraqi government has had all the time in the world to get ready to carry the burden without U.S. troops propping them up.

[the74blaster]

The Iraqi government has had all the time in the world to get ready to carry the burden without U.S. troops propping them up.

Posted by Iceman_1960,

That is correct! If the Republicans are hoping to make Iraq as self sustaining nation that can defend itself against Iranian influence they certainly are not ready for it. If thats the level of achievement we better be prepared for another 20 years of troop deployments. Otherwise it will be like Vietnam, the second we leave and its civil war.

The debate really needs to focus on what are we as taxpayers getting as a return on our ivestment?

It is the resposibility of congress to stop presidents from putting our troops in a no-win situation regardless of political affiliation.

It is our responsibility as Americans to vote out those that do not serve us.

Go Obama

I made a factual statement about radical evangelicals killing abortion doctors and bombing clinics. It happened in all across this nation less than 10 years ago and is the major reasontight security measures are in place at these clinics today.
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Posted by LiberalVet


This is quite true. Just a few months ago some nutter here in Austin put a pipe bomb in front of a clinic door. Smart employees though - noticed something not right and called the police.

[grumpas]

According to the Republican spin/propaganda machine Iraq is better! But, there isn''t much that comes out of these people''s mouths that can be believed. They are all pathological liars of the highest order. It''s currently better because we are paying the Sunni insurgents to not fight(it''s nice the Republican''s have all this loose money to spread around while we at home do without)! But, anyone with a brain in their head knows that is a ticking time bomb! That will likely go off when the money stops. Or when they feel like they are strong enough to make a grab for power. More Republican ignorance in action!

[easeup-2009]

"Wow, so that is what it means for the Republicans who say support the troops. VoteVets.org and see how many vets are getting really ticked off at you bootlickers."

Posted by antoniof123 at 08:12 AM : Feb 27, 2008

LOL that site is just an offshoot of moveon.org.

Rest assured the military is overwhelmingly Republican.

[notblue]

liberalvet, first of all "evangelicalls" are not the bombers, nutcases are the bombers. secondly your attempt to compare radical Islamists to clinic bombers is idiotic at best. Why not compare lives lost over the last thirty years and countries impacted? That would shed some light on your comparison.

[theroo4]

Now the Repugs want to discuss the anti-war debate, but only because it would give them time to "hail the progress" there. It figures - the Repugs do what do only for political reasons, and no other.

[mcvet]

liberalvet, first of all "evangelicalls" are not the bombers, nutcases are the bombers. secondly your attempt to compare radical Islamists to clinic bombers is idiotic at best. Why not compare lives lost over the last thirty years and countries impacted? That would shed some light on your comparison.


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Posted by notblue at 09:11 AM : Feb 27, 2008
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I am more concerned with those who attacked this nation. They are not in Iraq and everyone NOW knows we were lied into that war. My question is why do you and all the fascist keep ignoring that fact. The lies are all documented and listed. They can not be denied nor can one of them be called truth. Are our kids to continue to die based on LIES. IF Bush and the fascist wanted to conquer a country for what ever the reason, shouldn''t the families of those to be sacrificed be told the TRUTH? Is it right to invade a nation on LIES and AFTER they are there in that blood bath THEN tell the people the REAL reason. That''s not American and no one can say that it is. Sieg Heil Bush!!

[mcvet]

trying to justify fascist nazi terrorislam are you???

good one


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Posted by terrorislam0 at 08:51 AM : Feb 27, 2008
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You really should think about picking up a class in 2nd grade READING!! WHAT AN IDIOT!! ROFLMAO

[b-easy63]

For McCain, Obama or Hilary should run a commercial like this EVERday:

"Lost your job today?" Well, McCAin wants us to stay in Iraq and just for today--over 1/2 billion dollars will be spent that can''t help you or the economy get back on its feet"


Next day run: "high food and gas prices?--Well, McCAin wants us to stay in Iraq and just for today--over 1/2 billion dollars will be spent that can''t help you or the economy get back on its feet"

And so on--run those ads every day until everyone associates McCain and the war with our failing economy--because no matter what is said, the war in Iraq is not helping our economy or our money problems--not at a clip of 1/2 billion PER DAY being thrown away in the sand, fighting an illegal war of choice.

[singingrick]

Republicans new definition of success in Iraq:

The situation has gone from a state of total chaos to mere chaos.


lol!

[mcvet]

LOL that site is just an offshoot of moveon.org.

Rest assured the military is overwhelmingly Republican.




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Posted by easeup at 09:07 AM : Feb 27, 2008
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THAT is a BALD FACED LIE! What is it with you FASCIST? IS anyone who does not support the Party open for this kind of trash? I''d ask you to show something to support your statement but ANYONE FOOL and no one has ever acccused one of you fascist of being that high up the ladder, can google that and see they have NO connection what so ever to Move On. Org. Hell they weren''t even in existence when Move On was created. SIEG HEIL! Come on Bootlicker... you can LIE like a Nazi so lets get the salute! Ready? SIEG HEIL!!

[walt1944-2009]

The Great Emperor Bush II is angry with his neocon Fascist Nazi followers in the Senate for agreeing with the evil, cowardly Whimpo-crats to debate a bill cutting off money to fight the Iraq war after 4 months, which, if passed and sent to the Great Emperor, the Great Emperor will certainly veto!

The neocon Fascist Nazi GOP, in this instance, are beginning to think of their own skins and how many of them (if any) might survive the November election, thus thinking that by working with the Whimpo-crats, the GOP might save some "face".

Unfortunately for the GOP, this runs counter to what the Great Emperor wants, which is for the war to continue for the next 10 years with no restrictions by Congress or anyone else. And, if John "the Great Pretender" McCain takes the throne in the Oval Office, it gives him the opportunity to continue the struggle for the next 100 YEARS!!!

So, the Great Emperor Bush II has his VETO pen all inked up, has dusted off his "SUPPORT THE TROOPS" speeches, and is ready to use his "alternate forms of persuasion" to influence his GOP followers to return to their stupidly-loyal ways!

SIG HEIL, BUSH!!!!
sig heil, McCain????

[iceman_1960]

"Rest assured the military is overwhelmingly Republican."
- Posted by easeup at 09:07 AM : Feb 27, 2008
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Too many resting ***** "rest ***-ured" without checking the facts.

The career military, the officers, are predominantly Republican.

The rank and file are about evenly distributed among Republicans, Democrats and Independents.

[iceman_1960]

Rest assured that "easeup" was relying on out-of-date figures when he said "Rest assured the military is overwhelmingly Republican."

From the Military Times 2006 Poll:

"In the three previous polls, nearly 60 percent of the respondents identified themselves as Republicans, which is about double the population as a whole.

But in this year"s poll [2006], only 46 percent of the military respondents said they were Republicans. However, there was not a big gain in those identifying themselves as Democrats - a figure that consistently hovers around 16 percent. The big gain came among people who said they were independents."

Source:

http://www.militarycity.com/polls/2006_main.php

[mcvet]

Okay all you Neocon''s get ready to line up for your Kool Aid. ROFLMAO Talk about a dog and pony show folks this could top them all!! ROFLMAO

[jersupporter]

If this sets conditions whereby we can downsize our military force in Iraq, then that is all that matters. The biggest concern to me is not politics, but an answer of solution to bring our sons and daughters home soon.

[notblue]

McVet, your right, while those terrorists in Iraq NOW did not take down the twin towers are you aware of what Osama Bin Laden says about Iraq. Remember Al Qaeda? Remember recently the Sunnis turning against Al QAEDA IN IRAQ, and joining American forces to remove them.Why do you ignore these facts? It is immaterial NOW if they were not there before, they are there NOW, so why must we leave when progress is being made? You are a veteran, please explain why it is so important for you socialists to abandon Iraq and let chaos ensue when the progress reported by all news outlets, even CBS claims is undeniable? Is it because you hate Bush and republicans soo much that failure is the only option? You call fellow Americans NAzi''s everyday because they are not in agreement with your political ideology, isn''t that what makes America great? Isn''t this a country where everyone can have and state an opinion without fear? Yet somehow hipocrites like yourself vilify the other side with idiotic comparisons to the most brutal and savage group in the history of mankind and the world. Intollerant people like yourself are the number one cause for the divisive polarization in this country. THe differnce between you and I is I don''t have to cherry pick my facts or redefine the true enemy, namely radical Islam, just to support a political stance, unlike you I''m not blinded by utter hate and intollerance, I''m able to see the big picture and the enemy at large which does not include fellow Americans.

[mcvet]

THe differnce between you and I is I don''''t have to cherry pick my facts or redefine the true enemy, namely radical Islam, just to support a political stance, unlike you I''''m not blinded by utter hate and intollerance, I''''m able to see the big picture and the enemy at large which does not include fellow Americans.


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Posted by notblue at 10:51 AM : Feb 27, 2008
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No sir you are wrong there. The difference between YOU and I is I am an AMERICAN who cares about my fellow AMERICAN''s. The NEXT difference is that I have heard the sounds of an AMERICAN fall at my side and that sir is a sound you will NEVER forget... ever. Now you can dance all you like but the most basic reality of Combat is that YOU go after your enemy.. he''s in Pakistan, then after you have accomplished that then you clean up. Again you can be a nazi as long as you like but those kids died because of LIES PURE AND SIMPLE. That is just fact and that is TRUTH, something your fuhrer has NOT given us, NOT ONCE, about Iraq!! Sieg Heil Bush

[skyk-2009]

Posted by notblue at 10:51 AM : Feb 27, 2008
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Sarge is right you know! You want a good example of fascism go pull up that video of the "Talk" show host in Ohio last night. The message sent out was as loud and pure as anyone in the Third Reich ever sent out. IF you DARE oppose the Party, IF you DARE oppose the leader of that Party, THIS will happen to you. Why? Because we''re all American''s, which means that we all have something or someone in our background that can be used against us in that way. He''s also, right about Iraq and ANY Vietnam Vet can tell you that. We can no more "give" those people our system than we could the RVN.