BAGHDAD, Feb. 22, 2008

Turkey Launches Incursion In N. Iraq

Ground Forces Chase Kurdish Rebels After Aerial Attack

    • Turkish soldiers head toward Northern Iraq border near Sirnak, southeast Turkey. Turkey has recently bombed Kurdish rebel camps in northern Iraq after Washington shared intelligence about the positions of the rebels in the area. Photo

      Turkish soldiers head toward Northern Iraq border near Sirnak, southeast Turkey. Turkey has recently bombed Kurdish rebel camps in northern Iraq after Washington shared intelligence about the positions of the rebels in the area.  (APTN)

    • Turkish army tanks move along a road near the Turkish-Iraqi border town of Silopi in Sirnak province, southeastern Turkey, Friday, Feb. 22, 2008. Photo

      Turkish army tanks move along a road near the Turkish-Iraqi border town of Silopi in Sirnak province, southeastern Turkey, Friday, Feb. 22, 2008.  (AP Photo/Mehmet Ersoy)

    • Followers of a radical anti U.S. cleric Muqtada al-Sadr carry his portrait during a ceremony to mark a fourth anniversary of the Shiite uprising against the American occupation in Sadr City, Baghdad, Iraq, Thursday, Feb. 21, 2008. Photo

      Followers of a radical anti U.S. cleric Muqtada al-Sadr carry his portrait during a ceremony to mark a fourth anniversary of the Shiite uprising against the American occupation in Sadr City, Baghdad, Iraq, Thursday, Feb. 21, 2008.  (AP Photo/Karim Kadim)

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(CBS/AP)  Supported by air power, Turkish troops crossed into northern Iraq on Friday in their first major ground incursion against Kurdish rebel bases in nearly a decade. But Turkey sought to avoid confrontation with U.S.-backed Iraq, saying the guerrillas were its only target.

The offensive, which started late Thursday after aircraft and artillery blasted suspected rebel targets, marked a dramatic escalation in Turkey's fight with the PKK rebel group even though Turkish officials described the operation as limited.

Turkish military said five of its troops and 24 Kurdish rebels were killed in clashes. At least 20 more rebels were killed by artillery and helicopter gunships, it said.

A military officer of the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq said on condition of anonymity that several hundred Turkish soldiers had crossed the border. The coalition has satellites as well as drones and other surveillance aircraft at its disposal.

CBS News correspondent Allen Pizzey in Baghdad reports Turkey's incursion runs the risk of involving soldiers in clashes with Iraqi Kurdish forces if it continues for any length of time, or expands beyond border areas.

The Kurdish Pesh Merga forces, who Pizzey says are both well-trained and highly motivated, have warned in the past that they would retaliate if Turkish forces attack Kurdish villages.

Pizzey adds that any clash between Turkish and Iraqi Kurdish forces could also prove problematic for the American military, as the U.S. is morally, if not legally bound to help Iraq defend its sovereignty.

Sky-Turk television said about 2,000 Turkish soldiers were in Iraq, operating against rebel camps about two miles in from the border. NTV television said a total of 10,000 soldiers were inside Iraq in an operation that had extended six miles past the frontier. The activity was reportedly occurring about 60 miles east of Cizre, a major city near the border with Iraq.

It was not possible to independently confirm the size or scope of the attack on the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which is considered a terrorist group by the United States and European Union. CNN-Turk television, citing Turkish security officials, said the operation could last two weeks.

The advance was the first confirmed Turkish military ground operation in Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion that toppled Saddam Hussein in 2003. Turkey's army is believed to have carried out unacknowledged "hot pursuits" in recent years, with small groups of troops staying in Iraq for as little as a few hours or a day.

Turkey staged about two-dozen attacks in Iraq during the rule of Saddam, who conducted brutal campaigns against Iraqi Kurds. Some Turkish offensives, including several in the late 1990s, involved tens of thousands of soldiers. Results were mixed, however, with rebels suffering combat losses but regrouping after Turkish forces withdrew.

The PKK militants are fighting for autonomy in predominantly Kurdish southeastern Turkey and have carried out attacks on Turkish targets from bases in the semiautonomous Kurdish region of northern Iraq. The conflict started in 1984 and has claimed as many as 40,000 lives.

Turkey's government has complained that Iraqi and U.S. authorities weren't doing enough to stop guerrilla operations. The Turkish air force has been staging air raids on PKK forces in the north since December with the help of intelligence provided by the U.S., a NATO ally.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said that he called his Iraqi counterpart, Nouri al-Maliki, on Thursday night to give him advance warning of the operation. Erdogan said he later briefed President Bush in a telephone call.

"The Turkish armed forces will return after they finish their job," Erdogan said in a televised speech. "The goal of the operation and of operations that will be conducted is just, and only, PKK camps located in the north of Iraq."

Confirming the advance notice, White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said the Bush administration was urging Turkey to show restraint.

"We were notified and we urged the Turkish government to limit their operations to precise targeting of the PKK - to limit the scope and duration of their operations - and we urged them to work, directly, with Iraqis, including Kurdish government officials, on how best to address the threat," Stanzel told reporters.

Turkey's president, Abdullah Gul, issued a statement saying the military would be careful in attacking the guerrillas in tough terrain and weather. "Utmost care is being taken so that innocent civilians living in the region are not negatively affected," he added.

Nihat Ali Ozcan, a terrorism expert with at the TEPAV research center in Ankara, said the operation was likely launched to hit at guerrillas before the traditional start of the fighting season in the spring.

"I think it is aimed to keep the PKK under pressure before the group starts entering Turkey," he said on CNN-Turk television.

The operation was reportedly concentrated in the Hakurk region, south of the Turkish border town of Cukurca.

The Turkish military posted photographs on its Web site that it said were images of the operation. In one photograph, five soldiers in white suits walk up a snowy hill in the dark. Others show a soldier walking with a land mine detector and three military helicopters on the ground.

PKK spokesman Ahmad Danas said two Turkish soldiers were killed and eight wounded in clashes along the 240-mile border, but there was no comment from the Turkish military and no way to confirm the claim independently.

Matthew Bryza, U.S. deputy assistant secretary of state for southeastern Europe, said Bush promised Turkey's prime minister at a Nov. 5 meeting that Washington would share intelligence on the PKK.

"The land operation is a whole new level," Bryza said in Belgium. "What I can say is that what we've been doing until now has been working quite well."

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon expressed concern about the escalation. He said he recognized Turkey's need for security, but appealed to Turkey and Iraq to work together to promote peace.

"The protection of civilian life on both sides of the border remains the paramount concern," Ban said, repeating calls for the PKK guerrillas to end their attacks inside Turkey.

The European Commission, the administrative body of the European Union, appealed to Turkey to act with restraint.

"Turkey should refrain from taking any disproportionate military action and respect human rights and the rule of law," commission spokeswoman Krisztina Nagy said.

"The EU understands Turkey's need to protect its population from terrorism," she added. "We encourage Turkey to continue to pursue dialogue with international partners."


In other developments:

  • A U.S. Marine was killed Thursday in fighting in Anbar province west of Baghdad, the military announced. Three soldiers were also killed Tuesday night in a roadside bombing in northwestern Baghdad, one soldier was killed and three were wounded in a rocket-propelled grenade attack in the northwestern city of Mosul, and a roadside bombing killed a soldier assigned to Multi-National Division-Center, which is responsible for territory south of Baghdad.

  • A bomb hidden under a cart exploded in downtown Baghdad on Friday, killing two civilians and wounding six, police said. The cart was left near a building, and the explosives apparently were detonated by remote-control at about 7:30 a.m., police said, giving the casualty toll. Three cars parked nearby were damaged.

    (AP Photo/Karim Kadim )
    If there was a bright point amid the week's violence, it came as Radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, seen at left on a poster carried by supporters, announced Friday that he would extend a cease-fire order to his Shiite Mahdi Army by another six months, giving Iraq a chance to continue its fragile recovery from brutal sectarian violence.

    The decision was revealed in a message read by clerics during prayer services.

    "According to an order by Sayyid Muqtada, activities of the Mahdi Army will be extended ... for another six-month period," al-Sadr's aide Hazim al-Aaraji said, using an honorific during his sermon at the Kazimiyah mosque in Baghdad.

    The cease-fire has been one of three important factors that have helped reduce violence since mid-2007. The two others are the influx of thousands of U.S. troops last summer, and emergence of Sunni-dominated groups that are fighting against al Qaeda in Iraq.


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    by brianbwb-2009 February 22, 2008 6:02 AM PST
    Erdogan punks out Bush, who cannot even control the country he occupies illegally. Turkey goes in to finish what the CIA started under Saddam, the genocide of the Kurds, Bush cannot even take responsibility for the protection of those under his occupation.

    Impeach, arrest, and try this lying traitorous coward, for treason, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and corruption.
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    by nwihoosier February 22, 2008 6:22 AM PST
    Peace and Love
    brianbwb, let''s relax a bit a do something nice for someone because it seems like it can do you some good. Get a life and help someone instead of posting uneducated remarks.
    Peace and Love
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    by brianbwb-2009 February 22, 2008 6:43 AM PST
    Posted by nwihoosier

    By uneducated, I presume you disagree, or otherwise believe my statement to be incorrect?

    Please feel welcome to show how any of my statement is not substantiated by factual evidence, in other words, educate us as to how lying about a threat as a pretext for invasion, lying about torture, occupying a country, and then failing to provide protection for those under your occupation, condemning a man because of a chemical gas attack on a group of people, yet saying nothing when another country goes in to complete the genocide against the same people, is somehow an incorrect assessment of the events since the buildup to the invasion of Iraq.

    I would be interested to hear your justification.
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    by brianbwb-2009 February 22, 2008 6:44 AM PST
    "i am wrong." Posted by ella1984

    Correct, you are wrong thinking we want to see your porn spam. Reported, again.
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    by brianbwb-2009 February 22, 2008 6:49 AM PST
    Posted by nwihoosier

    By the way, by opposing the fascist agenda of the current administration, and calling for personal responsibility for his crimes, I am doing something nice for future generations.
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    by formrusmcsgt February 22, 2008 7:02 AM PST
    The administration - like any good adult, chooses not to carelessly shoot their mouth off, like FloydZepp does.

    Posted by ilikecats1 at 06:00 AM : Feb 22, 2008

    Do tell...you mean like dumping the Clinton deal with N. Korea and engaging in name-calling instead for years, which got us nowhere, only to reinstate the Clinton deal with add-ons for having pisssed off the N. Koreans?

    Or maybe ranting and raving for years about an Iranian nuclear weapon program what had been shut down?

    Yeah, this administration has been a marvelous example of statesmanship...lol.
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    by brianbwb-2009 February 22, 2008 7:29 AM PST
    Posted by nwihoosier

    Still out there, Hoos? still waiting for your explanation...

    Chrrrp, chrrrp, (sounds of crickets)
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    by jwind11 February 22, 2008 7:54 AM PST
    Lets do the whiny liberal cheer:

    give me a p, P!, give me t, T!, give me a s, S!, give me a d, D! whats that stand for? POST TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER!!! who has a bad case of it? MCVET!!!
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    by gkc99 February 22, 2008 8:19 AM PST
    One of the lead fantasies of the Darth Bushit regime''s invasion of Iraq was that the Kurds would benefit thereby. AFter all, they were the victims of Saddam''s nerve gas attacks.

    So now the USA unleashes the vicious Turks on the Kurds. Or can''t stop them--after all Bushit gave any potential invader a ready-made excuse and precedent. And the Turks are vicious--ask the Armenians.

    So yet another rationale for the disastrous "W" war evaporates.
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    by crater7 February 22, 2008 8:29 AM PST
    NICE TO SEE THE U S LED COALITION ARE PROTECTING THE SOVEREIGNTY OF THE COUNTRY OF IRAQ.

    I GUESS THE TURK''S INVASION OF IRAQ IS A GOOD THING, RIGHT? HOW FAR WILL THEY BE ALLOWED TO GO BEFORE IT BECOMES A BAD THING?
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    by sgtrds February 22, 2008 8:50 AM PST
    Great. Now we get to be stuck in the middle of a land war between a NATO ally and an Iraqi one, which of course can mean more American deaths in the crossfire. Brilliant! Thanks for nothing Bush, you incompetent ignorant bas*****!
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    by antoniof123 February 22, 2008 8:55 AM PST
    This will only get worst, I know that the neo cons will say the Turks will get in and get out.

    Just like the Iraq war will pay for itself. I still can''t believe that any one fell for that one. That shows how stupid some people are.
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    by glossypan February 22, 2008 8:57 AM PST
    Okay, George & Richard & John.
    Your rationale for staying in Iraq (no WMDs, Saddam gone)is now is that we must prevent genocide.
    The Turks, who you have given billions of US taxpayers dollars to stand down, are invading for the purpose of committing genocide.
    I know there will be no action to protect the sovereign nation of Iraq.
    =?=?=?=?=?=?=?=?=
    What is the NEW reason we are spending $275,000,000 per DAY and losing American lives????????

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    by rowdytexan2 February 22, 2008 8:59 AM PST
    "U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey visited the Turkish capital Ankara last week for meetings with officials. He said America was "committed to stand side by side with Turkey" against the Kurdish rebels of the Kurdistan Workers Party, or PKK, as well as Islamic militants linked to al Qaeda."

    Oh hell, how come they let this stoolie out of the country? Isn''t the Condi Rice''s job? Where is our Princess of Incompetence?

    Since the Iraqi''s wouldn''t honor the fake oil contracts the Kurds signed with Hunt Oil of Texas, Bush is sending the Turks in for a litte Iraqi intimidation. Whatta guy!
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    by skyk-2009 February 22, 2008 9:09 AM PST
    give me a p, P!, give me t, T!, give me a s, S!, give me a d, D! whats that stand for? POST TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER!!! who has a bad case of it? MCVET!!!


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    Posted by jwind11 at 07:54 AM : Feb 22, 2008
    + report abuse

    Do you get some sort of sick satisfaction out of attacking a War Hero? This guy was a Sgt. in the United States Marines. He lead a unit that won the Presidentual Unit Citation amoung a lot of other medals. Now everyone KNOWS why you attack him but is it American. Sure he doesn''t agree with you and yes he does it in a very colorful way but he IS right you know. Maybe you should pick on someone more you size. Sarge is so far out of your class he''ll have you for lunch!
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    by sgtrds February 22, 2008 9:17 AM PST
    Do you get some sort of sick satisfaction out of attacking a War Hero?

    Posted by skyk at 09:09 AM : Feb 22, 2008

    He does it for one simple reason, he''s an as*shole. Some people just are.
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    by rowdytexan2 February 22, 2008 9:19 AM PST
    give me a p, P!, give me t, T!, give me a s, S!, give me a d, D! whats that stand for? POST TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER!!! who has a bad case of it? MCVET!!!


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    Posted by jwind11 at 07:54 AM : Feb 22, 2008
    + report abuse

    Do you get some sort of sick satisfaction out of attacking a War Hero? This guy was a Sgt. in the United States Marines. He lead a unit that won the Presidentual Unit Citation amoung a lot of other medals. Now everyone KNOWS why you attack him but is it American. Sure he doesn''''t agree with you and yes he does it in a very colorful way but he IS right you know. Maybe you should pick on someone more you size. Sarge is so far out of your class he''''ll have you for lunch!


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    Posted by skyk at 09:09 AM : Feb 22, 2008

    Skyk, Jwind11 didn''t serve his country, he can''t understand the passion of one who has served.

    When you''ve literally laid down your life, and lost part of your body for your country, wouldn''t you say that you had a right to speak passionately about it when you see it totally conscrewed up by the Neocon regime?

    Jwind11 hasn''t a freaking clue!
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    by jersupporter February 22, 2008 9:51 AM PST
    When you''''ve literally laid down your life, and lost part of your body for your country, wouldn''''t you say that you had a right to speak passionately about it when you see it totally conscrewed up by the Neocon regime? Posted by RowdyTexan2
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    NO - hate is hate - MCVet continues to throw hateful words such as Nazi, etc, when many persons of Jewish dissent find that outright distasteful and offensive. Just as he should not be allowed to call blacks the N word, etc. I fully respect his position and his circumstances, but his situation does NOT warrant anyone authority or the right to be downright hateful and disrespectful.
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    by sgtrds February 22, 2008 10:30 AM PST
    When you''''ve literally laid down your life, and lost part of your body for your country, wouldn''''t you say that you had a right to speak passionately about it when you see it totally conscrewed up by the Neocon regime?

    Jwind11 hasn''''t a freaking clue!

    Posted by RowdyTexan2 at 09:19 AM : Feb 22, 2008

    Absolutely! There is not a thing wrong with hating someone who has earned that hate. Some here put me down because of the hateful things I say about that as*shole Bush and his puppet-master Cheney, but the truth is they''ve earned that hate many times over. Or are we not supposed to hate a Bin Laden or a Charles Manson?
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    by jersupporter February 22, 2008 10:40 AM PST
    Absolutely! There is not a thing wrong with hating someone who has earned that hate. Some here put me down because of the hateful things I say about that as*shole Bush and his puppet-master Cheney, but the truth is they''''ve earned that hate many times over. Or are we not supposed to hate a Bin Laden or a Charles Manson? Posted by SgtRDS
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    My son was killed by a black man that was drunk at the wheel - do I have the right to HATE all blacks? Can I use obscene language such as the N word? Have I earned that hate? Seriously Sgt, I fully agree with your hatred towards Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and all the other bubbling idiots in this administration, but respectful arguements and statements about their numerous misdeeds can be done in an orderly fashion. I also served my country for 20 years and one of the main reasons I retired was to get away from all this Bushcrap and his unauthorized military war. But your statement is not supportable on merit.
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    by sgtrds February 22, 2008 11:08 AM PST
    nMy son was killed by a black man that was drunk at the wheel - do I have the right to HATE all blacks?

    Posted by JERSupporter at 10:40 AM : Feb 22, 2008

    Of course not, but you certainly do have the right to hate that particular person. For instance I hate Bin Laden, but I don''t hate all Muslims or all Saudi''s. I hate Bush, but that doesn''t mean I hate all phony Texans, just him.
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    by sgtrds February 22, 2008 11:13 AM PST
    Nancy_Naive

    Wish I could, but I can''t. While do all of the other things to get them out of power and hopefully in front of a court of law at some point facing prison, I have to express my hate for them so they or their few remaining supporters don''t ever get the idea that they''re going to get away their crimes. Bush is a mass-murdering SOB and deserves to be hated.
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    by jwind11 February 22, 2008 11:29 AM PST
    all of you dishonor mcvets service to the country by enabling him. he is so full of anger that it is controlling his very being. not a healthy way to go thru life... he needs help, he will never get the help he needs if you all keep enabling him. I am the only one here it appears that cares about his emotional well being..you all say you honor his service to country but sit by and encourage his emotional demise.
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    by sgtrds February 22, 2008 11:58 AM PST
    Let your past go...you will live a better life

    Posted by jwind11 at 11:44 AM : Feb 22, 2008

    Naw, I''m having far too much fun laughing at right wing clowns like you and ilikecats1 and badaxmofo. You guys are nearly as funny as the 3 stooges! I get my daily chuckle reading your posts.
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    by old300d February 22, 2008 12:18 PM PST
    Obama says he will end the war.

    Why it is just getting started ! ! !
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    by old300d February 22, 2008 12:20 PM PST
    Does anyone really believe Obama can end the war in Iraq ?

    I don''t think anyone can ! ! !
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    by old300d February 22, 2008 12:21 PM PST
    They are all just stocking up waiting for us to leave so they can go at it ! ! !
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    by jwind11 February 22, 2008 12:25 PM PST
    Let your past go...you will live a better life

    Posted by jwind11 at 11:44 AM : Feb 22, 2008

    Naw, I''''m having far too much fun laughing at right wing clowns like you and ilikecats1 and badaxmofo. You guys are nearly as funny as the 3 stooges! I get my daily chuckle reading your posts.


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    Posted by SgtRDS

    How is wanting mcvet to get help right wing? explain please
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    by old300d February 22, 2008 12:31 PM PST
    Obama could bring all the troops home and there will still be a war in Iraq and it will be a war that the USA started.

    Obama saying he will end the war in Iraq is about the same as GWB saying the Palestinians and Israel will work it out in 2008.

    Obama is alot like GWB ! ! !

    GWB was all about change and hope too. Remember ?
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    by gkc99 February 22, 2008 1:16 PM PST
    "Obama is alot like GWB ! ! !
    GWB was all about change and hope too. Remember ? "--Posted by old300d


    Except Obama is about 3-4 times smarter than the moronic, dyslexic Bushit. And, he''s not a spoiled silver-spoon rich kid whose powerful daddy greased the skids for him like Bushit''s dad.

    Oh, and Obama can form a coherent sentence, and didn''t have to have a radio receiver strapped to his back in the debates so aides could feed him answers.

    Furthermore, there is no doubt that Bushit is doing all within his power to make it impossible for the next president to reverse Bushit''s disastrous decisions. Bushit is good at putting the t*urd in someone else''s pocket. And good at lying.
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    by mbcsmith February 22, 2008 1:16 PM PST
    Do you get some sort of sick satisfaction out of attacking a War Hero?

    Posted by skyk at 09:09 AM : Feb 22, 2008

    HYPOCRITE! Remember that next time you bad mouth Mccain. Friggin LIBS.
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    by jwind11 February 22, 2008 1:17 PM PST
    Furthermore, there is no doubt that Bushit is doing all within his power to make it impossible for the next president to reverse Bushit''''s disastrous decisions. Bushit is good at putting the t*urd in someone else''''s pocket. And good at lying.


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    Posted by gkc99

    anger is a sign of weakness
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    by jwind11 February 22, 2008 1:18 PM PST
    Do you get some sort of sick satisfaction out of attacking a War Hero?

    Posted by skyk at 09:09 AM : Feb 22, 2008

    HYPOCRITE! Remember that next time you bad mouth Mccain. Friggin LIBS.


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    Posted by mbcsmith

    Its ok for them to do it mbcsmith
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    by old300d February 22, 2008 1:24 PM PST
    Hi gkc99 ,

    Both speak in strange ways about the middle east.

    Both seem to not have a clue or are just telling people what they think people want to hear !
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    by walt1944-2009 February 22, 2008 1:44 PM PST
    The Great Emperor Bush is glad that Turkey has been drawn into the war attacking the Kurds in the north.

    The Kurds, of course, had thought that the Great Emperor Bush II and the USSA were their friend, "liberating" them from Saddam Hussein and allowing them to form a stable, peaceful "almost" country of their own.

    The Kurds simply do not understand that the Great Emperor is not interested in stability and especially peace! The Great Emperor wants war, loves war (while being careful not to get too close to it!) and dreams of the profits to be made from it, no matter who wins, if anyone!

    Now there might be some who, like Harry Truman believed, that the Great Emperor Bush II is acting like the Great War Profiteer instead, and, according to Truman, should be judged a TRAITOR and punished as such. But, as the neocon talk-show motor mouths are so glad to point out, the days of FDR and Truman are gone, dead and buried, and there is a new agenda in the land today and its name is PROFIT!!!!!!

    SIG HEIL, BUSH!!!!
    sig heil, McCain????
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    by old300d February 22, 2008 1:50 PM PST
    Hi walt1944 ,

    If Obama removes US troops then everyone over there will start to use up all their bombs and they will need to buy more ?

    What is Obama''s vision of the middle east after he removes US troops ?
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    by old300d February 22, 2008 1:51 PM PST
    We have done so much to make sure everyone over there has plenty of bombs and goodness knows they have money to buy more !
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    by old300d February 22, 2008 1:55 PM PST
    Right now the middle east countries are getting ready for the big war that will happen if the USA removes troops from IRAQ !

    If Obama follows through and removes troops without care then he could be our leader in the BIG WW3 ! ! !
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    by sgtrds February 22, 2008 2:01 PM PST
    Posted by ilikecats1 at 12:13 PM : Feb 22, 2008

    Why think you for your concern. I''ll be sure to give your post the consideration that it deserves.

    ;-)
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    by sgtrds February 22, 2008 2:03 PM PST
    How is wanting mcvet to get help right wing? explain please

    Posted by jwind11 at 12:25 PM : Feb 22, 2008

    Because it''s obvious from your posts that you don''t give a sh*it about him and any veterans that disagree with your far right wing view, which pouts you in the same place as Bush and Cheney. Clowns who think people actually believe them.
    Reply to this comment
    by sgtrds February 22, 2008 2:04 PM PST
    anger is a sign of weakness

    Posted by jwind11 at 01:17 PM : Feb 22, 2008

    Wrong again. Righteous anger is not.
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    by edward1975-2009 February 22, 2008 2:23 PM PST
    Does anyone think, no matter who get elected, that the Iraqi thing is going to change. Please, get a clue. The ranting from the uniformed is almost comical, if it weren''t so pathetic. Who are you going to point fingers at next. Both sides of the aisle are responsible, and neither will change the status quo. As is shown each time a vote comes up to fund the war. Get used to it, we are there for a long time to come. Better hope that whoever gets in has at least a strategy to handle this flaw filled mess we have now.
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    by inventagod February 22, 2008 2:38 PM PST

    Anyone else want to invade Iraq?
    Please register with the USA, it''s free!
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    by glossypan February 22, 2008 2:58 PM PST
    *** 3970 US military dead in Iraq
    *** $275,000,000 per DAY borrowed from China and Saudi Arabia to fund the US occupation of Iraq
    Why? WMDs - a lie
    Why? Saddam - gone
    Why? to protect Iraq''s sovereignity and prevent genocide - Turkey invades Iraq to eliminate the Kurds, genocide
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    And a large slice of the budget for training and equipping the Turkish army is from US taxpayers
    ** ** **
    "100 years in Iraq, FINE with me", says John McCain
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    by jwind11 February 22, 2008 3:38 PM PST
    Does anyone think, no matter who get elected, that the Iraqi thing is going to change. Please, get a clue. The ranting from the uniformed is almost comical, if it weren''''t so pathetic. Who are you going to point fingers at next. Both sides of the aisle are responsible, and neither will change the status quo. As is shown each time a vote comes up to fund the war. Get used to it, we are there for a long time to come. Better hope that whoever gets in has at least a strategy to handle this flaw filled mess we have now.


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    Posted by Edward1975

    making childish comments about Bush gives them temporarily relief from their pathetic angry lives.
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    by ajmarine1 February 22, 2008 3:46 PM PST
    The Kurdish problem is very similar to the Kosovo case, but the political situation does not favor the Kurds. For the most part, they live in four countries - Turkey, Iraq, Iran, and Syria. No matter how much Washington would like to get at Damascus and Tehran, it will not undermine the interests of Ankara, its long-standing ally and partner. Moreover, the Americans do not even interfere with Turkey''s military operations against the "Kurdish separatists." As for the Iraqi Kurds, they themselves need U.S. support that guarantees security and brings tangible political and economic benefits. This is why the Kurds are not rushing to follow Kosovo''s scenario, and Ankara has boldly recognized Kosovo''s independence.

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    by sgtrds February 22, 2008 3:52 PM PST
    Find anything right wing that i have posted

    Posted by jwind11 at 03:37 PM : Feb 22, 2008

    Shoo troll, shoo. You only exist here to be made fun of. So shoo.
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    by jwind11 February 22, 2008 3:56 PM PST
    Shoo troll, shoo. You only exist here to be made fun of. So shoo.


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    Posted by SgtRDS

    And you are how old?
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    by jwind11 February 22, 2008 3:59 PM PST
    Shoo troll, shoo. You only exist here to be made fun of. So shoo.


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    Posted by SgtRDS

    And you are how old?


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    Posted by jwind11

    5 year olds talk more maturely than you
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    by jwind11 February 22, 2008 4:04 PM PST
    explains why sgtrds depends on government to take care of him... who would give someone a good paying job that would go around saying "Shoo troll, shoo. . So shoo. " thus
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