Feb. 19, 2008

Why College Women Favor Obama

The New Republic: From Within A Girl-Positive Environment, College Women Are Weighing Other Factors Aside From Gender

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In the Democratic primaries so far, women have voted in larger numbers than men. In the 13 states that Hillary Clinton has won, she owed her victories in no small part to a majority female vote -- a sign that a female president is an important election issue for women overall. Among young women, however, that girl-power momentum evaporates, and Barack Obama is the favored candidate. What happens -- or hasn't yet happened -- to young women that explains this gap? The answer can be found on campus.

Articles on youth voting routinely fail to address gender, focusing instead on how young people are picking the candidate who has their "aspirations" and "attitudes." But it's important to ask why gender, as an issue, is in a position to be ignored. At colleges today, women receive better grades than men and take home more honors degrees; they are more likely to get internships and be involved in campus organizations. They have stronger college applications than men, and have been outnumbering men in enrollment as a result for 25 years. According to Department of Education projections, by 2012, there will be roughly 142 women graduating for every 100 men. In other words, in four dreamy years, women run the show. And that is hurting Hillary Clinton's quest for young female voters.

Unfortunately, there's no exit poll data that singles out young female voters. But there are statistics that suggest how solidly this bloc supports Obama. Even though a majority of young Democratic voters are female, Obama has won the under-30 vote in most of the primaries. Of the 13 Super Tuesday primary states in which of the Center for Information and Research on Civic Learning and Engagement (CIRCLE), a youth civic-participation research group, analyzed the youth vote, ten went for Obama and three went for Clinton. And in Virginia, the most recent primary in which youth voting data has been analyzed, people under 30 gave Obama a thundering 76 percent of the vote.

Obama's support gets even stronger as voters get younger. Among college students, it's even stronger. As far back as April 2007, polls showed Obama with a 17-point lead over Clinton among college Democrats. During that same period, Obama's lead over Clinton was only three percentage points among 18-24 year-olds not enrolled in a four-year school. Fortunately for Obama, this non-college group has abysmal voter turnout. According to CIRCLE, in 2004, the voter turnout for college students and college graduates under 25 was 59 percent; it was 34 percent for non-graduates. In other words, those young voters are mostly college students or recent grads.

Anyone who has graduated in the last decade has anecdotes of guys who come to class late or hungover, while their female classmates seemed to have all their work done. College has become one corner of American life where hardworking females are consistently and fairly rewarded, and they are succeeding there, to a much greater degree than their male counterparts. It's possible, maybe even likely, to graduate college with little sense and zero experience of institutionalized gender discrimination -- with almost complete freedom from the type of covert, daily setbacks that drive blacks to the polls for Obama and older women to vote for Clinton.

In a recent New York Times op-ed, Lorrie Moore used women's progress in academic settings to entreat voters not to choose Clinton. "The children who are suffering in this country, who are having trouble in school, and for whom the murder and suicide rates and economic dropout rates are high, are boys -- especially boys of color, for whom the whole educational system, starting in kindergarten, often feels a form of exile, a system designed by and for white girls," she wrote.

But if you can afford to be there, the college-world of grades and tests is astonishingly more objective than the rest of life -- and that's why women are able to get ahead. The classroom is not political; it's not a popularity contest. Studies show that women earn their school-years dominance by studying more and trying harder than men. The 2005 National Survey of Student Engagement showed that men were significantly more likely than women to say they spent at least 11 hours a week relaxing or socializing, and more men than women said they frequently came to class unprepared.

From within their girl-positive environment, college women are weighing other factors in the primaries aside from gender. Race is one of them. "There's a competition among dueling idealisms," says Yale University political science professor Donald Green, of college voters. "Maybe idealism associated with race is more compelling, has more of a visceral appeal. We're at a moment in our history where there's cause for optimism about gender equality, but less cause for optimism about racial equality. And from [a college student's] standpoint, the real inequality is likely to be racial or ethnic."

A less cynical explanation may be that, with sexism off the table, females in college feel less conflicted than other women about their vote. Gloria Steinem, in a now-legendary New York Times op-ed published the day of the New Hampshire primary, wrote that what "worries" her is that "some women, perhaps especially younger ones, hope to deny or escape the sexual caste system." Steinem's gloom-and-doom picture of a larger world full of everlasting sexism hasn't seemed to affect the votes of young women. Still, the advantage women have in college quickly slips away in the working world. Women get paid a lot less than the men they graduate with, no matter how much extra work or hours they put in. One year out of school, women working full-time are earning 80 percent of what their former male classmates are making, according to a 2007 study by American Association of University Women Educational Foundation. And this fact hasn't budged over the past ten years -- despite the advances women have made on campus.

But would a woman who votes for Obama today rethink her choice after graduation, when she sees a man getting ahead in the workplace, or when she has to make a choice between a higher-level career and kids? Americans usually aren't so if-A-then-B with picking candidates, and Obama's popularity with voters in their thirties and forties has grown in recent weeks. But, interestingly, Clinton has won 25- to 30 -year-olds in a few primaries, such as New Hampshire, where the under-24 vote went to Obama. It gives weight to the idea that post-grads might shift their preferences after a few years away from campus, but given the minimal data collected during exit polls, it's impossible to say for sure.

Young people are going to continue to impact this election in unprecedented ways -- a force of history that leaves me simultaneously in love with young people's fervor and optimism and unnerved by their lack of interest in Hillary. For the candidate, the parallels between college and the real world are striking. She has worked hard and done what's expected of her, but may very well get passed over by a less qualified guy when payday comes.

By Elizabeth Cline
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by hillaryis44 February 19, 2008 5:41 PM EST
It sure seems like the much maligned average white American male is turning out to be a lot less sexist and racist than assumed and blamed by the feminist and minority voices of the past.

My wife will vote for Obama. Her mother already voted for Hillary. One big difference between them is that her mother is battling sexism - she sees it everywhere she looks (and I mean everywhere!). I also know a couple of older educated women that have literally established "old girl" networks. They only use women doctors, women lawyers, and patronize women run businesses. They are blatantly sexist in action, deed and philosophy. It is lost to them that they have actually created a real-life version of the largely fictional world that supposedly has been victimizing them. It''s actually pretty sad.
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by amber2485 February 19, 2008 6:38 PM EST
As a young woman, a mere 5 months out of college, and as a very serious feminist, I''m upset by this article. To over-simply and imply that by supporting Hilary you support women and by supporting Barack you support race is ridiculous. Both have taken strides in both fronts, and neither of the two issues are the only at stake. What about GLBT rights? What about foreign policy?

The picture painted of naive and ignorant college women is also a little disheartening. I think we''re all fully aware of the challenges we face as women. If you don''t think a college campus where girls continually throw up their food and "play dumb" to receive attention from guys is another place where unattainable ideals are fostered, maybe you should pay a visit.

I would hope that my support of Barack Obama wouldn''t garner criticism from my feminist peers, and I would hope that women aren''t stupid enough to create their own double standard where they vote for a woman simply because she is a woman.
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by karutam February 19, 2008 6:46 PM EST
Right on! Not only are the young women of today are more educated, confident and independent, they see themselves increasingly able to challange anyone in the world today. They want to be judged on their own merits and know that they can make it regardless. I see it in my daughter and her friends, just as I see a different attitude in my mother and her friends. They see the past, where women were not on an equal footing with men, and the reason they are voting for Hillary is that it''s time for a woman, thus justifying the inequalitiies of long ago. Younger women, many of whom are more educated today, weigh the aspects and vote for whom they think provide the better leadership in moving ALL of them forward. The days of women being subservient to anyone are gone and a young woman''s choice is no longer subjected to "payback" policy, a choice determined by emotions and not intellect. That is also why we see so many older women say that while their head says "Obama", their heart says "Hillary". If we, as women are unable to embrace the new and accept the old just because it''s more comfortable, it will forever hold us back. So salute these young women who embrace the new while forging ahead on their own.
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by amber2485 February 19, 2008 7:02 PM EST
By the way, I think this is the exact polarization that Obama stands against.

I didn''t know we couldn''t care about race AND gender issues. I wonder where black woman would stand in your theory...
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by denn034 February 19, 2008 7:08 PM EST
Women that make gender an issue in voting are guilty of gender bias. Democrats that vote for race over gender are no better. Race and gender should have no part in this race.
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by andrews3232 February 19, 2008 7:19 PM EST
The reason college kids vote for Obama over Hillary is because Hillary is their mother. She is not cool. She is old. She wears pantsuits. She''s been around for 35 years doing the same old thing.

Or, as you say, maybe it''s because of the reduced gender bias on college campuses. NOT! Keep it simple, talking heads.
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by baycbs February 19, 2008 7:49 PM EST
Younger women take pride in their self respect. We don''t want women to be harrased in the work places. How can we in good conscience vote for Billary to the missery of the white house interns.

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by davidtoo2 February 19, 2008 8:21 PM EST
"It''s possible, maybe even likely, to graduate college with little sense and zero experience of institutionalized gender discrimination". ONLY if you are a woman! Men are systematically discriminated against in our culture, from programs designed to give young girls "self esteem" (at the expense of boys) in grade school, to harsher punishments for young boys for exactly the same infractions as girls in grade school and junior high, to selective service registration for males only at 18 years of age, to hiring quotas for women in traditionally male jobs (engineering, police, fire), it is very clear that boys and men are discriminated against all through their entire lifecycle. To state otherwise is completely blind of the fact that young men commit suicide at 4X-5X the rate of young woman!! Why are you not writing about this??!! There is a womans office of health in the federal government and there is no similar organization for men, and yet men die 5-10 years, on average, earlier than women.
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by gkc99 February 19, 2008 8:33 PM EST
"Race and gender should have no part in this race"--Posted by denn034


Although they have always mattered in America, maybe until the White Male Christians ceased to be able to command every last little thing.
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by gkc99 February 19, 2008 8:34 PM EST
Educated women may like Obama because they get tired of seeing Hillary''s "startled baby" wide-eyes look.
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by paris1969 February 19, 2008 8:43 PM EST
Let''s remember this is an "opinion" piece ... I think one of the reasons young college women might consider Obama is because they do not value experience ... because like him, they don''t have much of it yet.
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by valentin73 February 19, 2008 9:20 PM EST
So, they don''t have a need to vote based on gender (women, that is), is that any reason to become a man - dependent woman, again. Here we go again, back to square roots. Young independent women may be successful, but politically-minded they are not. If they are so successful, compared with men, why don''t they run for President of the US themselves? Women should stick together, on issues that affect their gender, all ages and financial positions alike.
Thanks!
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by Syndicate February 19, 2008 10:04 PM EST
davidtoo2: You said it brother. Men are the only group that can be singled out and discriminated against legally. Listen to Hillary she does it every now and then. No one would get on stage and tell a bunch of women they should stay home and barefoot. Nobody goes in front of a bunch of blacks and says you people. Yet time and tiem again from advertising to political candidates to talk show host men are fare game for stereo types and insults.
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by douglasrh February 19, 2008 10:48 PM EST
@ denn034 - I agree. @ valentin73, voting for someone because of their gender is itself a sexist act.

The reason many young people support Obama is that they are idealistic and still have hope for the future. The reason many elders vote for Clinton is that they are cynical and no longer very concerned with the future. Also, they (elder white women) identify with Mrs. Clinton, or want to see any woman president (this is sexist, but then again Obama''s black support is racist).

Also, and I hope this isn''t taken badly, but it seems wrong to me for feminists to support someone who claims experience as their main strength, but who in fact has little experience or fame outside their role as a man''s wife.

Finally, @ Elizabeth Cline (the author), you say "Obama''s lead over Clinton was only three percentage points among 18-24 year-olds not enrolled in a four-year school. Fortunately for Obama, this non-college group has abysmal voter turnout." This makes no sense. It would be in Obama''s favor for as many of this group to vote as possible since they vote more for him than Clinton (regardless of whether this spread is smaller than college students in the same age group).

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by douglasrh February 19, 2008 10:48 PM EST
@ denn034 - I agree. @ valentin73, voting for someone because of their gender is itself a sexist act.

The reason many young people support Obama is that they are idealistic and still have hope for the future. The reason many elders vote for Clinton is that they are cynical and no longer very concerned with the future. Also, they (elder white women) identify with Mrs. Clinton, or want to see any woman president (this is sexist, but then again Obama''s black support is racist).

Also, and I hope this isn''t taken badly, but it seems wrong to me for feminists to support someone who claims experience as their main strength, but who in fact has little experience or fame outside their role as a man''s wife.

Finally, @ Elizabeth Cline (the author), you say "Obama''s lead over Clinton was only three percentage points among 18-24 year-olds not enrolled in a four-year school. Fortunately for Obama, this non-college group has abysmal voter turnout." This makes no sense. It would be in Obama''s favor for as many of this group to vote as possible since they vote more for him than Clinton (regardless of whether this spread is smaller than college students in the same age group).

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by samthetvcat February 19, 2008 10:50 PM EST
"Anyone who has graduated in the last decade has anecdotes of guys who come to class late or hungover, while their female classmates seemed to have all their work done."

Wow, that wasn''t what I saw when I looked at the guys in class, at least not by grad school. I think they feel a tremendous amount of pressure to try and measure up to the standard that society sets for them and to prove their worth as men, especially when so many cute girls are holding their own.

I sense a real lack of acceptance of what makes men tick in the women who support Hillary. Like the other day I was pointing out how Hillary steals peoples'' words more than Barack and just out of the blue the woman I was talking to starts slamming *** Morris saying he''s a mysogenist . . . just crazy talk.

I think the difference between the older Hillary supporters and the younger Hillary supporters maybe socioeconomic rather than lack of so-called ''wisdom'' as the author likes to call it. If you''ve succeeded in achieving the same level of accomplishments as Hillary, it''s not that impressive to hear she failed the bar twice and had to move to Arkansas to pass.

It''s like how many of us hold McCain up on a pedestal, whereas all the other VietNam veterans make jokes about him needing Depends . . .
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by douglasrh February 19, 2008 10:50 PM EST
@ denn034 - I agree. @ valentin73, voting for someone because of their gender is itself a sexist act.

The reason many young people support Obama is that they are idealistic and still have hope for the future. The reason many elders vote for Clinton is that they are cynical and no longer very concerned with the future. Also, they (elder white women) identify with Mrs. Clinton, or want to see any woman president (this is sexist, but then again Obama''s black support is racist).

Also, and I hope this isn''t taken badly, but it seems wrong to me for feminists to support someone who claims experience as their main strength, but who in fact has little experience or fame outside their role as a man''s wife.

Finally, @ Elizabeth Cline (the author), you say "Obama''s lead over Clinton was only three percentage points among 18-24 year-olds not enrolled in a four-year school. Fortunately for Obama, this non-college group has abysmal voter turnout." This makes no sense. It would be in Obama''s favor for as many of this group to vote as possible since they vote more for him than Clinton (regardless of whether this spread is smaller than college students in the same age group).

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by douglasrh February 19, 2008 10:53 PM EST
@ denn034 - I agree. @ valentin73, voting for someone because of their gender is itself a sexist act.

The reason many young people support Obama is that they are idealistic and still have hope for the future. The reason many elders vote for Clinton is that they are cynical and no longer very concerned with the future. Also, they (elder white women) identify with Mrs. Clinton, or want to see any woman president (this is sexist, but then again Obama''s black support is racist).

Also, and I hope this isn''t taken badly, but it seems wrong to me for feminists to support someone who claims experience as their main strength, but who in fact has little experience or fame outside their role as a man''s wife.

Finally, @ Elizabeth Cline (the author), you say "Obama''s lead over Clinton was only three percentage points among 18-24 year-olds not enrolled in a four-year school. Fortunately for Obama, this non-college group has abysmal voter turnout." This makes no sense. It would be in Obama''s favor for as many of this group to vote as possible since they vote more for him than Clinton (regardless of whether this spread is smaller than college students in the same age group).

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by drband36 February 19, 2008 10:55 PM EST
If Hillary and her surrogates continue to insist that women should vote for her simply because they are women, then they should immediately cede all votes from people with a Y chromosome immediately to Obama.

Please! What kind of logic is this? Feminists come in all shapes, sizes, races, and SEXES. Take a look at the Obama marriage and you will see feminism personified --- truly a union of equals.

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by tibu987 February 19, 2008 10:59 PM EST
Congratulations to all the young, intelligent, idealistic, young college women out there.

To all the Obama naysayers out there, I say this:
I would rather have an idealistic young person who recognizes many of the wrongs in this country, than more of the same from the Clinton twins and McCain.
Most of our Washington pols are tired old men and women who have been in office too long and no longer
feel any closeness, any obligation, to the people of this country. Many of these Washington old-timers are more concerned with their positions of power, arrogance, and feathering their own and their cronies nests than meeting their obligations to the electorate.
I, for one, am tired of seeing and hearing these old goats and their blathering oratory.
I welcome the presence of more young idealistic people in Washington.
Incidentlally, I am a 72 year old white, male, veteran. and I''ve seen it all.
I''m voting for Obama
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by douglasrh February 19, 2008 11:01 PM EST
@ denn034 - I agree. @ valentin73, voting for someone because of their gender is itself a sexist act.

The reason many young people support Obama is that they are idealistic and still have hope for the future. The reason many elders vote for Clinton is that they are cynical and no longer very concerned with the future. Also, they (elder white women) identify with Mrs. Clinton, or want to see any woman president (this is sexist, but then again Obama''s black support is racist).

Also, and I hope this isn''t taken badly, but it seems wrong to me for feminists to support someone who claims experience as their main strength, but who in fact has little experience or fame outside their role as a man''s wife.

Finally, @ Elizabeth Cline (the author), you say "Obama''s lead over Clinton was only three percentage points among 18-24 year-olds not enrolled in a four-year school. Fortunately for Obama, this non-college group has abysmal voter turnout." This makes no sense. It would be in Obama''s favor for as many of this group to vote as possible since they vote more for him than Clinton (regardless of whether this spread is smaller than college students in the same age group).

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by erbandera February 19, 2008 11:06 PM EST
For 12 years I volunteered and mentored undergraduate college women in the field of Engineering.
Based on their experiences in entering the workforce, they felt their college education failed to prepare them for the real world. The real world being that co-workers and managers can be difficult people and have prejudices. Equal Education doesn%u2019t mean Equal Pay or Equal Promotional Opportunities. I have empathy for Hillary Clinton knowing that she had more barriers to over-come compared to a man. Both Obama and Hillary are similar on issues. They are both qualified Democratic candidates. My preference is for the person that had to work harder and has a longer service record.
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by akg96 February 19, 2008 11:08 PM EST
It''s not about race or ***. It''s more about if you believe in yourself vs. having some "experienced expert", like some media talking-head on (Out)Fox(ed) make our decision for us (based on greed, fear, separation, hypocrisy, manipulation). Could it be that people in a female body get paid less because they have a choice - a choice to disable themselves from the work force by allowing themselves to get impregnated & dropping out to be a mother? No obvious choice for men. Ah, the perks of modern society, but it''s not politically correct to go against the feminist adgenda. And ultimately that works against all women. A woman (like Nancy Pelosie, etc.), yes. A Hillary, no! Hillary is making women, feminist, Bill C., & the Democrats look bad! Bill is know for his calculating trangulation, & Hillary has the positions down, but how can you trust that. Just because her handlers get you to tear up, doesn''t mean she''s got any soul, or aloha spirit. She''s not the "One" in any matrix.
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by akg96 February 19, 2008 11:08 PM EST
Sorry girls, your time is now, but it''s just now with Clinton 2. Enough! No 30 yrs. of Bush/Clinton running U.S. Edwards could not compete against the excitement of Hillary & Barack. And Hillary is NOT the "One" at this time (or any time). Do you want more partisan bicering, social division? Or maybe a Democratic Party permanently demolished because the superdelegates vote opposite the will of it''s consituents & the one candidate that can most surely win in the general election? Is that Bloomberg''s candidacy stirring? Party loyalist killing off their own party - wow! The party that adopted G.H. Bush''s anti-labor, anti-American jobs that send our jobs overseas! Good riddance. Or is it time for a permanent flight out of the county yet?
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by shirlin1-2009 February 20, 2008 3:33 AM EST
Who has had to work harder? Hillary Clinton from a middle-class white family who was a Nixon/Goldwater girl and then was married to the Pres of the US after decades working for a corporate law complany? Or Obama, the son of a teenage mother whose father abandoned them when he was two, who as a black child was raised by white grandparents and was a scholarship student in an elite school for rather well-to-do non-black kids? Who has done more legislatively? Check Hillary''s Senate with its thin p.r. record with Obama''s Illinois legislative record and Senate record with its ethics reforms, nuclear non-proliferation policy, etc. Be informed before making conclusions. A claim to experience does not mean experience in success. A fresh voice does not mean absence of experience.
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by davidlar2 February 20, 2008 4:00 AM EST
This article demonstrates exactly what is wrong with left wing thinking and why I will have a hard time voting Democratic in the fall, even if Obama seems to have some things going for him.

Why is it about group identity- race, gender, ... rather than issues? Why does the New Republic think that people should vote based upon this rather than making a more responsible choice about whom is best to lead America? Why can''t women and blacks be individuals with brains instead of part of the female or black collective voting reflexively?

The modern world is not about racism and sexism and 60s concepts of social justice. It is about understanding the global economy, about science, about things that are much more transcendant.
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by shirk3-2009 February 20, 2008 10:03 AM EST
I can answer that!
a) they''re drunk a lot.
b) they don''t really know the issues.
c) they grew up in mostly white suburbs and have never seen black people up close.

So Obama would be their guy. He doesn''t have to make sense or say anything. Truth be told he''s to the right of Clinton on many issues, yet because he''s black, that means he''s about ''change''. Sure, if your a ***.
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by February 20, 2008 10:50 AM EST
"I also know a couple of older educated women that have literally established "old girl" networks. They only use women doctors, women lawyers, and patronize women run businesses. They are blatantly sexist in action, deed and philosophy. It is lost to them that they have actually created a real-life version of the largely fictional world that supposedly has been victimizing them. It''''s actually pretty sad."
Posted by hillaryis44
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I just can''t help mentioning the admonition:
"Chose your hatreds carefully, for they are what you become".
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by barbjc1 February 20, 2008 12:09 PM EST
I am not voting for Obama because the man is not trustworthy. Are none of you noticing there is absolutely nothing negative being said about him. I am not a big fan of Hillary Clinton and I trust her but the problem is I don''t trust her husband. She unfortunately has lost a lot of votes because of him.
On the subject of young college voters, I completed my degree 2 years ago. I was a non-traditional student, those young college women are extremely liberal, most of them don''t have the sense to come out of the rain and they will believe anything they are told. Especially if they think it will show how diversified they are.
The % of mixed race children is up, but the minority group father is nowhere to be found. Now who does that sound like and who raised the child?
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by old300d February 20, 2008 12:37 PM EST
Obama is doing what Rush and all them could not.

Stop Clinton and the democrats from winning the white house in 2008.

The first time in US history a good womwn had a chance and Obama broke up the Clinton army.

A vote for Obama is a vote for McCain !

The lefty lefts will not take the white house !
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by rowdytexan2 February 20, 2008 12:40 PM EST
"Also, and I hope this isn''''t taken badly, but it seems wrong to me for feminists to support someone who claims experience as their main strength, but who in fact has little experience or fame outside their role as a man''''s wife."

You are so definitely fulla krap! Hillary has had a career outside of being her husband''s wife ever since adulthood! What sexist pig school did you go to?

Older women are not voting for Obama because he is a windbag that can''t even articulate his stance on anything. He didn''t even have a stance until he was finally booed at the debates for not having a *** thing to say except trying to bring his opponent down. He took everyone elsees plan, jiggled it around a little, then claims he''s the ONLY one with a plan! He claims he was against the war...he made one speech about the war when he wasn''t even a senator, and he had to be somewhere ''important'' when the vote on Iran was taken. Other than that his record is exactly like Hillary''s!

If you want a windbag with no cluse in the White House, go for it!
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by old300d February 20, 2008 12:43 PM EST
This election will be about the good people of the USA rejecting the righty rights and the lefty lefts !

The Dems don''t get it !

Be gone righty rights and lefty lefts.

A new day with change and hope is coming and the lefty lefts and the righty rights old ways of thinking will be gone !

Goodby Obama and your outdated tried and failed lefty left ideas !
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by kaviz February 20, 2008 1:19 PM EST
Old300, your lefty left and righty right talk sounds to me like you might need to loosen your tighty whiteys
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by old300d February 20, 2008 2:47 PM EST
Hi kaviz,

I love seeing the lefty lefts and the righty rights go down ! It is about time !

You may not see it now but it is happening !

Change is coming !

Rush, Ted, Obama, all of you righty rights and lefty lefts, take a hike !

You know what is the difference between a righty right and a lefty left ! Nothing ! They are both screwed up with old ideas ! Nothing new from either of them ! Nothing ! ! !
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by talkingham February 20, 2008 2:56 PM EST
Well let''s see, between getting nails done, eyebrows plucked, purchasing the latest sherpa boots and backing out into traffic while talking on the cel phone I guess they have time get deep into politics.
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by old300d February 20, 2008 2:59 PM EST


Do people really think Obama is the one who can make lefty left ideas work ?

Why are they saying he is like JFK ?

JFK, he would never got busted getting a BJ in the oval office like Clinton did !

He knew how to work it ! ! !
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by briannorwood February 20, 2008 3:01 PM EST
Why do college women support Obama?

That''s an easy one...BECAUSE THEY''RE SMART!
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by old300d February 20, 2008 3:02 PM EST
Hi briannorwood ,

Right ? Did you see the DVD ?
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by old300d February 20, 2008 3:03 PM EST
They have gone wild ! ! !
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by briannorwood February 20, 2008 3:06 PM EST
RowdyTexan2:

Please tell me of just one accomplishment Hillary has had in the Senate after 6 years. I can''t name one.
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by old300d February 20, 2008 3:07 PM EST
Hi briannorwood ,

She atayed out of jail ! That is better than some !
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by old300d February 20, 2008 3:08 PM EST
I remember Rush saying she was going to jail for sure !

I bet alot of people tried to get her busted and sent to jail !
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by briannorwood February 20, 2008 3:08 PM EST
old300d:

Yeah. Given the sleaze and slime of the Clinton''s, I guess that really is an accomplishment worth noting!
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by old300d February 20, 2008 3:12 PM EST
She is slick for sure.

She is in a league of her own ! ! !
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by old300d February 20, 2008 3:20 PM EST
No one has made Rush feel more pain than the Clintons except maybe John McCain !

For that they have a special place in my heart ! ! !

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by old300d February 20, 2008 3:31 PM EST
I really believe Obama is enjoying his 15 minutes.

They will be writing and talking about Sen. Clinton 100 years from now !

She is way ahead of her time !
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by inventagod February 20, 2008 3:32 PM EST

Why college women favor Obama?

Stereotypes???
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by random_radar February 20, 2008 5:10 PM EST
Who would have thought that college-educated women would be smart enough to consider other criteria than gender when voting? I mean, considering that college-educated men do not seem to be able to see past gender when they vote...
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by rr12343 February 20, 2008 11:28 PM EST
To the person who wrote that "college-educated men do not seem to be able to see past gender when they vote..." seem to imply that men are biased. What utter nonsense. Read the whole article and there''s no mention of college educated men being biased. It''s an insult and an outrageous remark. How dare a woman or man assume that we are not able to see past gender. Too bad if Clinton is losing. It might be a result of smart college educated men not tolerating the failed politics of the Clintons. She''s a loser! Also, Clinton''s healthcare policies, ideas on the economy and the war are laughable. So if a man votes for Obama is he a sexist or is he smart (could it be that men are following someone who can accomplish their issues)? what about women voting for Clinton? According to the comment above, one might assume that they are a bunch of sexists too (women voting for a woman)? This kind of argument is what makes me angry. I believe female centered educational programs have disenfranchised males in the school system. In addition, when you degrade men, fathers, sons in the media, books, news papers, talk shows, what do you expect (they are called stupid, immature, moronic)? less men will consider going to school. I believe Clinton is a selfish self centered candidate who will do anything to secure a nomination. She''s losing her base with women, low income earners, adult whites etc. Stop blaming smart men! We are tired of the sexist rants of women. Stop the MISANDRY!
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by rr12343 February 20, 2008 11:34 PM EST
Hillary Clinton is the biggest sexist in Politics. Just look at her website and you''ll see that she supports only women''s issues (at large). It''s no surprise that men are smart in voting for McCain or Obama! It''s not because men are sexist, it''s because we don''t want this loser in the White House being a Misanderer!
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