JFK Smoking Gun Or B-Movie Proposal?

Odd Transcript In A Box Of Oswald Memorabilia Reads Like A Conspiracy Theorist's Dream

(AP)  A curious transcript purportedly about President John F. Kennedy's assassination has been discovered among boxes of memorabilia that were long forgotten in an old safe at the Dallas County district attorney's office.

While the transcript reads like a conspiracy theorist's dream - Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby plotting to kill Kennedy - the DA's top assistant said it's likely material for a proposed movie.

Other items found in an old safe on the 10th floor of the county courthouse include letters to and from former DA Henry Wade, the now-dead prosecutor in the Ruby trial, The Dallas Morning News reported in Sunday's editions. Ruby shot and killed Kennedy assassin Oswald two days after the president's death.

There are also letters to Ruby, records from his trial, a gun holster and clothing that probably belonged to Ruby and Oswald, said District Attorney Craig Watkins, who planned to discuss the find at a news conference Monday.

Much of the attention is bound to focus on the transcript purporting that Ruby and Oswald met at Ruby's nightclub on Oct. 4, 1963, less than two months before the Nov. 22 assassination. In it, they talked of killing the president because the Mafia wanted to "get rid of" his brother, Attorney General Robert Kennedy.

Says Oswald in the transcript, "I can still do it, all I need is my rifle and a tall building; but it will take time, maybe six months to find the right place; but I'll have to have some money to live on while I do the planning."

Gary Mack, curator of the Sixth Floor Museum near where the president was shot, hasn't seen the transcript but doubts it's real. It is well-documented that Oswald was in Irving the evening of Oct. 4, at a home where his wife was staying, Mack said.

"The fact that it's sitting in Henry Wade's file, and he didn't do anything, indicates he thought it wasn't worth anything," Mack said. "He probably kept it because it was funny. It's hilarious. It's like a bad B movie."

Terri Moore, Watkins' top assistant, said she believes the latest transcript is part of a movie Wade was working on with producers. The former prosecutor wrote about the proposed movie, "Countdown in Dallas," in letters found in the safe.

"It's not real. Crooks don't talk like that," Moore said. "If that transcript is true, then history is changed because Oswald and Ruby were talking about assassinating the president."

The transcript resembles one published in a report by the Warren Commission, which investigated Kennedy's assassination and determined that Oswald was the lone gunman. The FBI determined that conversation between Oswald and Ruby about killing the governor was definitely fake.

The account in the commission report was "re-created" for authorities by a now-deceased Dallas attorney who claimed he recognized Oswald in a newspaper photo as the man he saw talking to Ruby.

It's unknown whether the boxes Watkins and others found in the courthouse about a year ago have information previously undisclosed to the public or the Warren Commission.

The search began after Watkins was told the gun used to kill Oswald was somewhere in the courthouse. They didn't find the gun, which Mack said is privately owned. The boxes probably sat in the safe since being moved when the courthouse opened in 1989.

The items are still being processed and eventually will be donated to an entity that can authenticate them, preserve them and make them available to the public, Watkins said.

"It's interesting, and it's not ours," Watkins said. "It's the public's."

[peacedreamer-2009]

Wow! That''s quite a find. I hope when they are available to the public, someone will transcribe everything to the internet so we can all look at it.

[downtowner97]

Would-be conspiracy fans who don''t like 9/11 conspiracies because they are leveled at Bush can look at news from the day the Oklahoma City Federal Building was blown up. Turns out there were multiple bombs there, and two explosions. Now you can be pro-Bush, anti-Clinton AND have the thrill of looking through conspiracy evidence. Start with a Youtube search under the word "murrah".

If you like Hillary, stick to Oswald, the moon landing and Building 7.

[downtowner97]

When you look at the picture at the top of the article, Oswald looks like the only one who''s surprised. The guy in the light colored suit looks like he''s thinking "I need to lean to the right a little to keep from getting blood on this nice suit".

[inventagod]

It was DlCK CHENEY with his shotgun...

[onthenews2]

I watched this segment on the 11 o''clock news tonight and couldn''t believe the newscaster, a woman, wearing a see through dress! On the news she is wearing a black see through dress with a black bra and panties! You could even see her belly button! This is the news people! You are not meant to be movies stars, you are meant to inform daily and worldly events professionally! Please top executives do something! Take pride in being professionals, if your staff wants to be one of the beautiful bodies on TV go into acting. I am a professional woman 40 something with a nice figure but would never attend a meeting in a dress I would wear to join friends for cocktails. People when you are on the news consider yourself speaking at a very large business meeting. Seriously.

[xzonz]

about the you tube video: Does it show Obama swearing under oath?. was he supposed to have had a social life before joining the senate?.I geuss we should also question all the goverment officials of their relationships during college and high school. how pathetic. remember Bill Clinton under oath "i did not have any sexual relationship with that woman". He is fighting hard to come back to the white house. No matter what the clintons try Obama is the lesser evil of the two

[ramos937]

Several things make me think the JFK murder was a conspiracy. One, when Cronkite interviewed LBJ, one interview was shown after LBJ''s death. In it, LBJ is asked if he thought Oswald was solely responsible. LBJ''s response was no.

Two, how can you possibly take the President''s assasin through a basement garage swarming with people? It should have been cleared of everyone but police.

Third, and this has been documented, Oswald''s last words were "Jack, what are you doing here".

[slim1h2o]

I''m not a conspiracy nut,,But I do have some questions on this after reading the article.

1) How did Oswald know (2 months in advance) that Kennedy''s'' motorcade would be passing the Texas Schoolbook Depository? I would think the route would be classified info.
2) And if the Mob had nothing to do with this,,then why was Ruby and Oswald corresponding? And why would Ruby shoot Oswald, if there was no connection to the mob, or no connection to either Oswald, or Ruby?
3) And if he did act alone (which I doubt it) How could an average Joe Blow citizen take out the most powerful man on the planet?

Just too many inconsistencies. We may never know the "hows" and "whys" of this matter.

[slim1h2o]

BTW,,I always thought the Mob was behind this, not because of Bobby wanting to take down the Mob. But because of what Joe Kennedy Sr. did back in the prohibition era. Joe Sr. was the Mobs biggest competitor for bootleg beer and whiskey, in the northeast.

[brianbwb-2009]

"It''s not real. Crooks don''t talk like that," Moore said. "If that transcript is true, then history is changed because Oswald and Ruby were talking about assassinating the president."

So Moore knows how "criminals talk", right? As for history being changed, that is a stupid statement, Kennedy is still dead, and the final verdict on what happened hasn''t been released yet, so there is no "history" to change.

This Moore is like lars008, who pulls his own information from whatever net site that appeals to death worshipers, regardless of whether true or not, then makes statements as if such BS were truth.

[brianbwb-2009]

"i am wrong." Posted by cora1984

If you think your spamming porn sites is welcome here, you are even more wrong.

Reported, just like all the others.

[jerkeedoodle]

Ever wonder why DC and the media offhandedly dismiss,and make light of anything that might point to Oswald having accomplices,or not being the shooter at all?Ever wonder why they seem to go out of their way to slander and smear a man that''s been dead for almost 45 years.Did you know that it was proven by the government itself that there were more than three shots fired.One of the motorcycles had an open microphone(Jamming communications?),and the sounds from it were recorded on a police dictaphone back at the station.Attorney Mark Lane wrote one of the first books that threw doubt on the Warren report.It was published in 1967,3+ years after the assasination,and in the back of the book there is a list of around a hundred people that gave testimony that countered the official "Three bullets,one shooter" position of the government.It is a list of dead people.BTW,check out the guy that was the "peoples''attorney"for the Warren commission."you''re nearly a laugh,you''re nearly a laugh,but you''re really a cry".

[jerkeedoodle]

slim1h2o,The "Mob" wouldn''t have been able to take care of the "logistics" alone.What is interesting though,at that time,the "mob",and the C.I.A. were "intersecting circles".Some of same people were "players" in both "arenas".Media and government make light of the "conspiracy theorists",I think,in the hope that YOU will dismiss them as nuts,and,granted,some of them are "way out in left field".I was 6 when JFK died,and "Big Bros''" explanation of what happened never did ring true.In the late eighties,I received a book as a Christmas present that dealt with the assasination.It led to an extensive study of the subject and the people involved.This led to other books dealing with the C.I.A.,F.B.I.,military intel,I.R.S.,the Federal Reserve,and the influence of the "super rich".There are BB guns that are better made than the "rifle" that Oswald supposedly used,which,by the way,was initially reported by the Dallas cops(What cop doesn''t know firearms?)as a 7.62 Mauser,a world class snipers'' rifle.A fellow might learn a few things checking into the subject.

[jerkeedoodle]

slim1h2o,tuckerndfw is an example of what I''m talking about when I say "way out in left field".Every credible book I ever read,and I''ve read dozens on the subject,points to domestic culprits.Check out the list of people and institutions that were upset with JFK.The Israelis and their nukes wouldn''t amount to a pimple on most of their *****.

[slim1h2o]

The "Mob" wouldn''''t have been able to take care of the "logistics" alone.What is interesting though,at that time,the "mob",and the C.I.A. were "intersecting circles".

Posted by Jerkeedoodle

While I agree that the Offical explanation has never rang true, at least to me. But the fact is that they blame one individual, yet you say that the mob (with 1000''s of members)(?),,were unable to carry out the murder, due to logistics? Something is screwy, or just plain wrong or being covered up.

I''m not saying that you believe that statement, I''m just saying that the average Joe Blow would also be incapible of taking out the most powerful man on earth.

I do agree with the most of your post, regarding possible perpitraitors. We''ll never know, for sure, the whos, and the whats of this stoty.

[slim1h2o]

Jerkeedoodle at 07:19 AM : Feb 18, 2008

Domestic culprits. Thats what I said ( The Mob) But for different reasons that have been outlined by recent press, and theorists.

I still think, it''s a mob hit, for revenge on Joe Sr. Even though he was dead at the time,,the Mob knows no time frame, when collecting on a debt.

[jerkeedoodle]

slim,When I say logistics,what I''m talking about are things like the parade route being changed,army security being told to stand down,the things that it would have taken some kind of government official to get done.I''m not saying the mafia wasn''t involved,this is what I meant when I said intersecting circles.The "mob"couldn''t have gotten the job done without help.

[slim1h2o]

Jerkeedoodle at 07:32 AM : Feb 18, 2008

Well if the Mob was/is incapable of doing that, then most certainly Oswald is too, by himself anyways.

[slim1h2o]

Jerkeedoodle at 07:32 AM : Feb 18, 2008

I guess we''re agreeing on the same things,,but taking different roads to get there. (Grin)

[jerkeedoodle]

JFK had already angered the military by promising Kruschev we wouldn''t invade Cuba.He was getting ready to pull out of Vietnam when he died.He''d fired the head of the C.I.A. Allen Dulles,(On the Warren Panel,BTW)and was in the process of dis-banding the institution.Him and Bobby were planning to force Hoover into retirement.Big oil was upset with him because of taxes he was supporting.He was planning to do away with the Federal Reserve system,and the I.R.S.,and even went so far as to have the treasury start printing government issued currency.I don''t know if you''re aware,but the bills you have in your wallet are property of the Fed.,which by the way,is NOT a government institution.It is privately owned,and the I.R.S.,and A.T.F. are their goon squad collection agencies.Label me as "over the edge",whatever you like.But,as I said,it might do a fellow some good to look into it.

[jerkeedoodle]

tuck,you need to get your facts straight.The military was supposed to provide extra security that day.They were told to stand down.

[jerkeedoodle]

tuck,some people just can''t be convinced,so i''m not going to waste my time.If you don''t believe me,look into it yourself.If you do,I think it would also dispell your idiotic,anti-jewish,theory about the Mossad.

[slim1h2o]

Posted by Jerkeedoodle at 07:51 AM : Feb 18, 2008

Tucker is right on this. The military does not (on a regular basis) protect the President.

The only time they do is, in a war zone.
And they did provide security before the advent of the Secret Service. But then only at a minimal of personnel.

[j_flood]

Actually the military does provide personal protection for the President when he is in transit - for example aboard a military aircraft. Fighter escorts and military protection go way back. However, the day-to-day protection is the sole responsibility of the US Treasury and the Secret Service.

[jerkeedoodle]

slim,As i told tuck,check in to it if you don''t believe me.They were on tap to provide extra security.Adlai Stevenson had been spit on,the anti- Kennedy flyers that were passed around.The article in the paper calling Kennedy a traitor.They were to have provided extra security.They were told to stand down.

[jerkeedoodle]

My opinion after extensive study?I don''t think there were any shots fired from the TSBD.If there was,they didn''t hit anything.Conally was hit by a shot from the Daltex building.The first shot that hit Kennedy came from behind the fence.The fatal shot?It came from the storm drain in the curb as the limo passed.

[slim1h2o]

Posted by Jerkeedoodle at 08:13 AM : Feb 18, 2008

I think everyone is splitting hairs, when they should be splitting fire wood.

As one poster pointed out, the military does provied a certain amount of security, also as I have pointed out as well. However,,in only certain situations, i.e. extra man power,,in war zones,, or while enroute.

However,,,the SS has sole responsiblty, for the protection of the President.

[jerkeedoodle]

Bash me all you want,tuck.Like I said,look into it if you don''t believe me.Why are you so ardently opposed to what I''m saying?Do I have an agenda?Your silly enough to believe the Mossad thing,It wouldn''t surprise me if thought I had an agenda.I''m going to ignore you now,if you don''t mind.

[jerkeedoodle]

Slim,on the lighter side,check out a guy named Charles Harrelson,Woodys''dad.There are some people that think he was one of the "hobos" that were taken off the train,photographed,and then conveniently released.

[jerkeedoodle]

Sorry tuck,it''s just that your Mossad thing was so laughable,what with all that I''ve read on the subject.I apologize.I will not back down on the military security issue.I''m telling you,they were supposed to provide extra security,and they didn''t because they were told to stand down.Again,CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELF!

[slim1h2o]

Posted by Jerkeedoodle at 08:40 AM : Feb 18, 2008

I heard of something on those lines before,,not sure of its validity though.

[jerkeedoodle]

Tuck,I won''t argue the point.It''s obvious that i can''t convince you that nukes in Israel had nothing to do with it.There were WAY more powerful people here in the U.S. that stood to benefit from his death.So Jack Ruby was a Zionist,I think it''s a side issue.Oswald proffessed to be a communist.You think the Russians had anything to do with it?The institutions I mentioned earlier that were upset with JFK is just the tip of the iceberg.Where did you find y6our info about Mossad?The internet?If so,I think you might like to discount it,since it''s coming to light that info on the internet isn''t always the best place for reference material.And,Yes,it was a day or two before the assasination that the army was told not to bother.Read the books yourself.

[neobrian-2009]

Texas is Known for Snuffing " Freedom "
Greedy Oil Perverts ,..Texas is Your Home
Where corruption and phony justice is known
The place for politicians of disgrace
The oil that binds is just like paste
Somethings never change,only the names
Because all is done the sake of GOP gains
Yes,it`s true,everything is bigger in this land
As long as each slimy pervert extends his hand

[jowand]

Because all is done the sake of GOP gains
Yes,it`s true,everything is bigger in this land
As long as each slimy pervert extends his hand
Posted by neobrian at 09:33 AM : Feb 18, 2008

Spoken by a true ingrate bigot loser.

[jerkeedoodle]

Geez tuck,you''re right!Our institutions here in the U.S. have never attempted to,or been successful at,covering anything up!They couldn''t have possibly put out stories about Mossad,and others,to steer inquisitors down a dead end,thereby removing suspicion from themselves.Your logic is flawed,and for the umpteenth time,READ THE BOOKS!

[cbsblogger]

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/206.html

[jowand]

You claiming the Mossad was not involved is far more ridiculous than the conclusion that they were based on the known facts.

I suppose you think Operation Susannah didn''''t really happen, either. . .

Zionists assassinated JFK to facilitate introducing nukes to the Middle East.
Posted by tuckerndfw at 08:53 AM : Feb 18, 2008

Go drink another bottle of whiskey.

[jerkeedoodle]

jewand,before I thank you on your post to tuck,I think you might like to read some of mine,LOL

[jerkeedoodle]

On neobrians'' comment,I found out recently that sea level is actually a foot higher along the coast of Texas than it is anywhere else in the world.It''s because Texas SUX!

[inventagod]

The CIA/Mafia created conspiracy theories by taking out the Kennedys and having the government cover it up for them...

[offtheback]

"We will do whatever it takes, for as long as it takes, to find those who killed our sailors and hold them accountable."

yahhh right

Posted by terrorislam9

Bush said the same thing about Bin laundry. Didn''t happen either did it?
When are you people going to get it through your thick skulls thea the dem''s and rep''s are just two heads of the same serpent.

[jetlizhan]

i believe this is another case that will never be 100% solved, like marilyn monroe''s death.

[offtheback]

i believe this is another case that will never be 100% solved, like marilyn monroe''''s death.

Posted by jetlizhan

She''s dead too. there, solved ''em both.

[random_radar]

I know someone who met the Senate Judiciary Committee chairman on business, and he asked "Tell me whether there is any truth to all these JFK conspiracy theories?"

All the Senator said was, "Castro did it." and that was the end of the conversation. Personally, I don''t like that conspiracy theory, but I trust the guy who told me the story, and it is interesting.

[antizion]

Kennedy was killed by the Israelis because he opposed their illegal nuclear weapons program. The fact is, the Israelis have the only illegal nuclear program on Earth.

Their is evidence that George HW Bush was involved and perhaps ran the operation. This story and the "evidence" was probably planted. Seems most evidence the feds turn up these days, they planted themselves.

[huanaco]

MY THEORY IS THAT USA KNEW THE RUSSIANS WERE BEHIND ALL THIS, THE SEVERAL TRIPS THAT OSWALD TOOK TO THE RUSSIA MEXICO EMBASSY ARE TRUE , THEREFORE THERE IS THE SMOKING GUN. AFTER THE KILLING USA HAD TWO ROADS : DECLARE WAR ON RUSSIA OR IGNORE AND TAKE THE EASIER ROAD, TO FIND A CULPRIT THAT NEVER EXISTED IN HIS OWN LAND BESIDES OSWALD.

[talkingham]

How is it so well documented where Oswald was on Oct 4? They found all this out in the two days before they had him killed?

And the gun that killed Oswald is not found but instead they put a bogus movie script in the vault- Judas Priest, give me a break!

Sounds like all this stuff has been hidden in plain sight. Hoffa might well have been involved with JFK''s death since he "disappeared too." It''s widely thought Nixon pardoned him so he could be made to disappear - and why would Nixon otherwise pardon Hoffa anyway? Nixon''s ties to the Mafia via BB Rebozo are also well documented, but tricky *** was a good republican so we don''t hear about any of this anymore, just Clinton''s love affairs, a perfect opiate for the press and the people. Who wants to know who shot someone when you can dawdle on who doodled someone?

Obviously we''ll never know. If you can''t arrest a Van der Sloot for admitting to watch a young woman die and dumping the body, and have the "confession" on videotape, I doubt anyone will ever be brought to justice for just one of the many poltiical killings and/or shooting in the 60''s and 70s and 2000''s. Robert Kennedy, JFK, MLK, Hoffa, 911 twin towers, flight 111, and Pentagon 911 employees and others have paid the ultimate price for our freedom to be lied to by a CIA and a government that is as corrupt as any on the planet I''m sad to say.

[gunnerv1]

Bush did it!

[easeup-2009]

"Obviously we''''ll never know. If you can''''t arrest a Van der Sloot for admitting to watch a young woman die and dumping the body, and have the "confession" on videotape, I doubt anyone will ever be brought to justice for just one of the many poltiical killings and/or shooting in the 60''''s and 70s and 2000''''s. Robert Kennedy, JFK, MLK, Hoffa, 911 twin towers, flight 111, and Pentagon 911 employees and others have paid the ultimate price for our freedom to be lied to by a CIA and a government that is as corrupt as any on the planet I''''m sad to say."

Let me guess--you saw proof of all this on an internet site? LOL!!!!!!!!!!

[j-whitman]

gunnerv1,,,, Yep, Bush did it --- They couldn''t find anothe Monica ------- JFK got his own girls