Cali Wildfire Victims Ask: Where's FEMA?

Agency Hasn't Kept Promises For Housing And Assistance, Homeowners Say

(AP)  Patty Reedy is still waiting for someone at the Federal Emergency Management Agency to send her the mobile home she was promised before Christmas.

In December, agency inspectors said she wouldn't get a government house to replace the one she lost during last year's wildfires because it would be too difficult to haul the 60-foot, three-bedroom prefabricated home up a winding road to her remote mountaintop property.

Reedy isn't alone. FEMA brought dozens of mobile homes to Southern California after the fires, only to find their own guidelines prevented them from putting them on many properties in rough terrain. San Diego County officials say dozens of applicants were denied homes because their properties were inaccessible to trucks, didn't have connections into the electrical grid or were on hillsides deemed at mudslide risk.

"They don't have any familiarity with these areas so they can't conceive of the needs being different," said Deena Raver, a contractor who was hired by San Diego County to help fire victims. "You're talking about one area with sewage and water and other places that are very rural."

The mobile home delay is another blemish on a beleaguered agency.

When the fires broke out in five Southern California counties, forcing half a million people to flee, many thought FEMA - still bruised from its performance after Hurricane Katrina - had a golden opportunity to repair its image.

But the fires blackened about 800 square miles and destroyed nearly 2,200 homes, a fraction of the 90,000 square miles and roughly 500,000 homes ravaged by the hurricane, and left roads, power lines and sewage systems largely intact.

"FEMA wasn't really tested here," said Paul Light, a professor of public service at New York University. "It really wasn't a dry run for sustained response and recovery."

FEMA spokesman James McIntyre said the agency applied lessons it learned in Katrina to streamline its operations in Southern California - like the need to respond quickly. Two days before President Bush declared a federal disaster, FEMA crews were moving into fire-stricken zones and setting up at San Diego's Qualcomm Stadium.

Within a week, the agency had begun disbursing grants up to $28,800, short-circuiting detailed accounting requirements that slowed relief after the 2003 fires. So far, FEMA has paid more than $13.1 million to 1,973 people, mostly in San Diego County.

But the agency has only distributed 33 mobile homes in the county, including 14 on American Indian reservation land.

In 2003, the agency sent short, adaptable "travel trailers" to house people living in the mountains, but they are being avoided now amid concerns about toxic chemicals; this week the agency said it would move hurricane victims out of more than 35,000 trailers because tests indicate some of the temporary homes contain high levels of formaldehyde.

Instead, FEMA only dispatched three-bedroom modular homes to Southern California - luxurious compared to the 15-foot travel trailers, but, at 60 feet, too long to fit on many properties or be moved up steep roads full of switchbacks. They also require too much electricity to run off generators or solar panels and have to be hooked into the power grid. They have to be on flat land, away from any hills that might be at risk for mudslides.

Grace Yim, a FEMA branch manager in Pasadena, said she didn't know how many eligible fire victims were denied homes.

"We met a lot of challenges with the kind of unit that was available to us - there are canyon areas, mountainous areas so we had a lot of sites that came back infeasible, and then there's just nothing we can do," Yim said.

People who were unable to put the large trailers on their properties were referred to other agencies, mainly Housing and Urban Development, for subsidized apartments, Yim said.

But living far away from isolated lots can slow reconstruction for people who are cash-strapped to begin with, said Bonnie Frede, director of a nonprofit-funded fire recovery center in the mountain town of Ramona, about 35 miles northeast of San Diego.

"These people want to be on their land," Frede said.

Reedy, a lithe 51-year-old, said she already put more than 7,000 miles on her pickup truck driving up and down the mountain, costing her $2,000 in gas out of her $28,800 grant. She had hoped to get the mobile home on her land and eventually use the grant money to buy it.

She said she will keep trying to get the promised FEMA home on her property.

"I ran into my first FEMA inspector at the grocery store, and he said, 'You pay your taxes, so don't let them tell you no,"' she said. "As long as I know what I'm working towards, I can start to plan, but right now it's just sitting in the bank while I waste gas."

[walt1944-2009]

As reported in the fall of last year, the Great Emperor Bush II visited the people who lost their homes to wildfires in California and said "Don''t worry, I will take GOOD care of you!".

Naturally, of course, just ask the people in New Orleans who are still waiting to get out of FEMA trailers before they are poisoned by their own government (the Great Emperor Bush II and his neocon Fasicst Nazi followers)! The same FEMA trailers that wildfire victims in California and tornado victims in the southwest are living! Ask them all how the Great Emperor Bush II is taking GOOD CARE OF THEM!!

The Great Emperor Bush II and his neocon Fascist Nazi followers are taking VERY GOOD CARE of their "under privileged" citizens and "Bagdad" John McCain promises to do the same thing!!!

Ain''t we lucky???

SIG HEIL, BUSH!!!!

[puzzler125]

What about those mini houses I keep reading about? They''re quite small, not the long 60 feet of the homes in the article but far better than the formaldehyde tainted trailers.

[puzzler125]

What about those mini houses I keep reading about? They''re quite small, not the long 60 feet of the homes in the article but far better than the formaldehyde tainted trailers.

[rowdytexan2]

Why hadn''t FEMA anticipated that these homes couldn''t be towed into those mountainous areas? It''s not like it''s a secret or something!

Why didn''t they immediately start getting prefabs that could be taken in pieces up those roads and be put together on the land?

Could it be because they are incompetents? Is the FEMA head a Bush appointee? If so, I guess that explains a LOT!

Most likely they''re just using the mountainous areas as an excuse for doing NOTHING!!!

Get some prefabs going you idiots!

[ramos937]

In this case, the blame is not FEMA''s. They provided the homes and made a good faith effort to deliver them to the proper addressess. When they could not, it is up to the folks themselves to either do that or find the best possible alternative site they can.

[Netterz]

I am pretty sure if I lost my home here in MI, from natural disaster, FEMA would not send me a free trailer. Last fall over 400 homes were destroyed in a raging tornado storm, spanning over 100 miles. My neighbors got nothing but wrecked homes, lying like tooth picks scattered all over the ground, and calls to insurance co''s burning up the phone lines with alot of empty promises. Drive around MI for awhile,we suffered huge wild fires, storm damages, no sign of FEMA here, but 6 months later, 80% of the homes still lying on the ground, the same way they looked last summer and fall.

[ramos937]

Hard to blame Bush this time. The government provided the lodging and now it is the turn of the people to use the trailers the best way they can. Folks simply have to help themselves.

[inventagod]

Maybe FEMA can just call a Faux Press Conference and tell themselves the problem is solved...

[jamurphy4]

F-or E-mergency M-y A-rse..

They''re still cleaning up the mess under the chair that bush was sitting in, when they told him about the 9/11 attack.

[rowdytexan2]

Hard to blame Bush this time. The government provided the lodging and now it is the turn of the people to use the trailers the best way they can. Folks simply have to help themselves.


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Posted by ramos937 at 04:18 PM : Feb 17, 2008

Bull *****!! FEMA hasn''t provided them with a *** thing they can use! What an assinine opinion!

FEMA knew of the mountainous area! If they didn''t they are totally incompetent!

Somebody on day one should have known trailers were too big, and they needed to explore another avenue!

Or perhaps is the trailer maker a good friend of Bush''s and are the only resource available?

Why can''t they go to a pre-fab manufacturer and get some pre-fabs going up those mountains?

[barbaraf4]

They need to get these people up off of the ground before summer. Otherwise, they are going to be in couger and rattlesnake country.

But I need to ask: Didn''t any of these folks have homeowners'' insurance?

[maedean]

FEMA is way to busy still paying for the people in New Orleans . Now after 2 1/2 years of putting them in trailors they now have to again pay for them to go into motels. If your not black and your home burnt down you are shiiit out of luck . New Orleans still has there hands out to FEMA and they keep wasting time and money on the loosers...

[rowdytexan2]

Posted by barbaraf4 at 04:50 PM : Feb 17, 2008

Calling on their insurance companies is almost a joke.

[cbsossur]

FEMA is saving money so they can spend it on the endless
Iraq war

[anonbene]

All of the houses lost to fires or hurricanes or tornadoes could be replaced free. Without FEMA. Contact The Benefactor Project at www.thebenefactorproject.com

[barbaraf4]

"Calling on their insurance companies is almost a joke." Posted by RowdyTexan2

Not to sound racist, but I assumed these white families who can afford to live in the mountains of California might get treated a little differently by the insurance.

[macusweil]

When has the Bush government ever been trusted to tell the truth!?

He''s too busy selling abstinence to the Africans to be worried about Cali wild fires, old news.

The formaldehyde tailors are recently available now I understand if anyone needs a place to stay.

[klagerberg]

When you choose to live in RISK areas and something like this happens, you should be prepared to take care of youself. Insurance has gone sky high and the gov. can only help so much. Mountain areas and sea areas are lovely, but when you choose to live there, expect to have problems with high insurance and problems with FEMA getting trailers up the hills. Give me a break, I''m sorry your house burnt down, but you chose to live there and FEMA didn''t tell you to. Don''t blame the gov. for those problems.

[antoniof123]

Posted by klagerberg at 06:43 PM : Feb 17, 2008

Comments like yours amaze me because most of the country and the world lives in some sort of danger zone.

That said I just don''t know what else could be said. Get out and have some fun with people you might find that your neighbor needs help or maybe a friend that you forgot about. Anyway stop saying that you don''t understand. Let me see if this help.

The south faces hurricanes and fires, the west faces earth quakes and fires, the north snow storms and fires, the mid-west torrnados and fires and droughts, let me see that pretty covers the whole country or did I miss some one.

Would you like to try the world.

[calico91]

I live in Ramona and was ordered to evacuate during the recent Witch fire. I did not lose my home. We were not allowed back home for about a week due to lack of water, so got a motel room at a reduced rate for evacuees. Upon returning home Porta-potties and showers were available in town as was bottled water for cooking and drinking. My insurance company would not cover the motel/food due to my deductible, which some insurance companies waived, but not mine. Upon submitting my receipts to FEMA for help they would only cover the days that were during the water outage which was the 3rd thru the 5th day. When asked why they wouldn''t cover the other days, they said "the guidelines had changed on Dec. 10th (the fire started October 21) and "they had no record of there being a mandatory evacuation" (which of course was all over the news) and "no record of road closures" (which there were, manned by armed military). My situation was nothing compared to a lot of others who lost their homes so I can understand the red tape they are up against.

[rudy654-2009]

OH no, the California victims can''t possibly be complaining about FEMA. According to hate radio experts Limbaugh, Hannity and the rest, the only people doing that were the New Orleans people. The rest were just so much better quality of people than those New Orleans people.

Tsk, tsk, hate radio, wrong again.

[rudy654-2009]

Posted by calico91 at 07:15 PM

It is always good to get a first hand report. Thanks.

[megojoe]

When did it become the governments job to provide for everyone during some disaster?

The welfare state will banrupt us all.

[calico91]

The welfare state will banrupt us all.
Posted by megojoe at 08:19 PM : Feb 17, 2008

I agree with you on California being the Welfare state; that''s why the illegals love us.

[cbsblogger]

This is the same FEMA that had a phony news conference with their own people asking the questions posing as a press corp. Is there any wonder why?

[fishinfool43]

FEMA has become a joke that nobody laughs at. As far as I can see (my opinion) it''s too little, too late. I would really hate to have to rely on them for anything. Initally I thought it was a good idea, but maybe this country has outgrown it. If that would be the case, I would be all for shutting it down, and turning it over to the states. It doesnt sit well with me to see people that really need help get caught up in all the red tape that the govt can use. I would hazard a guess, if a disaster ever hit Washinton DC there would be copius amounts of money and support

[clovisbuford]

Re:** Man files Federal Lawsuit against Obama regarding GAY sexual and drug use claims **
TruthBeTold
if the truth was told to you ,you are a web **** and a effing troll, go join the ron paul loons your post has nothing to do with fires in calif . and FEMA''s response.If you arent part of the solution you are part of the precipitate. yah that means you Truth BeTold. Get a dime a post to prostitute yourself to clog up the message boards?

[jt_lancer]

Americans are always looking to the government to provide handouts. What a sad, dependent lot we have become.

[buddhabman]

TruthBeTold- Hey *** you''re gonna need a little better smear cream than that BS. Try again.

Obama 08

[dsr57]

As reported in the fall of last year, the Great Emperor Bush II visited the people who lost their homes to wildfires in California and said "Don''''t worry, I will take GOOD care of you!".

Naturally, of course, just ask the people in New Orleans who are still waiting to get out of FEMA trailers before they are poisoned by their own government (the Great Emperor Bush II and his neocon Fasicst Nazi followers)! The same FEMA trailers that wildfire victims in California and tornado victims in the southwest are living! Ask them all how the Great Emperor Bush II is taking GOOD CARE OF THEM!!

The Great Emperor Bush II and his neocon Fascist Nazi followers are taking VERY GOOD CARE of their "under privileged" citizens and "Bagdad" John McCain promises to do the same thing!!!

Ain''''t we lucky???

SIG HEIL, BUSH!!!!

Posted by walt1944
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What in the hell are you talking about? It''s always easy to blame the boss huh? You know what people call bosses that have their hands in EVERYTHING??? They call them micro managers and most of the time they are hated for it. So all you can do is appoint someone you''ll think can do the job and hope for the best, you can''t really test FEMA until something happens. So how is that Bush''s fault? I''m not really a bush fan but *** you just seem to be blindly B!tching just to be hating on someone

[dsr57]

When you choose to live in RISK areas and something like this happens, you should be prepared to take care of youself. Insurance has gone sky high and the gov. can only help so much. Mountain areas and sea areas are lovely, but when you choose to live there, expect to have problems with high insurance and problems with FEMA getting trailers up the hills. Give me a break, I''''m sorry your house burnt down, but you chose to live there and FEMA didn''''t tell you to. Don''''t blame the gov. for those problems.

Posted by klagerberg

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Dude, You''re exactly right. I''ts like living in North Dakota and not having a winter coat. Listen, if you live in Tornado Alley-- Be ready for a freakin Tornado. If you live in a Coastal area known for Hurricanes then guess what? BE READY FOR HURRICANES. Also, if you choose to live in a place where trees encompass you house by 360 degrees and are exactly 3 foot from your window well then best have a plan for a fire. What ever happened to being self sufficent in our country..
"There was a Fire why oh why hasen''t the Gov''t came yet to bail me out.. I know why the president hates people who knew I''d have to fend for myself.

[tulcak]

surprise, surprise... another screwup by bush''s FEMA? republicans just don''t know how to do government... with the republicans, there''s always an excuse why it CAN''T be done... its too hard, its too expensive, its not possible... wah!!!!!

[tulcak]

and,... the republicans are always making excuses for bush and their party. the bottom line is they don''t want to take any responsibility for anything - like a bunch of selfish bratty children. STOP making excuses. if you can show us any positive results that bush and the republican party have had DOING ANYTHING, post it now. 100% failure rate and you want to blame the democrats. when are you going to get a clue - you are a bunch of screwups...

[runningralph]

tulcak,
You ought to go look at the Gulf Coast. There has been a gigantic recovery there. Taxpayer''s did a lot of it. Private sector did a lot. But most of it was done by private sector using taxpayer money. But really taxpayer money should be reserved for roads bridges, levees, police, military and other infrastructure. Privately owned residences should be handled by individuals and their private insurers.
People should live in closer communities and use more public transportation. Don''t build on the side of a mountain and complain about transportation costs or below sea level and complain when the levee breaks.

[watcher269-2009]

FEMA = F**K Every MisFortunate American

[b-easy63]

Okay. The truth now--after everyone blasted "heckuva job Brownie"--Bush just had no desire to keep FEMA going. ("fine, don''t like his guy--then he won''t play)

He suggests you look under the tablecloth of the next GOP convention--chances are FEMA is with Bin Laden and the WMD. good luck finding any of them

As the word "sympathy" (from the government) is said to exist between the dictionary words "*******" and syphilis ; FEMA can be found between the words "emergencies" and "FUBAR" and for the acronym illiterati, FUBAR means "Fvcked Up Beyond All Recognition"

[b-easy63]

Posted by DSR57 at 04:05 AM : Feb 18, 2008


Your ignorance is astounding. Last year alone, tornadoes hit and destroyed many homes in FLORIDA, Tenn, KY and Alabama. Places that don''t normally get tornadoes. Same thing happened this year with freak winter tornados striking the south. Hurricanes have been known to be so severe, that homes 100s of miles inland have been flooded (as the surge can make any river or tributary to the sea/ocean flood). The largest and most dangerous earthquake zone in the US is under Missouri. Called the Missouri faultline, it is said that an earthquake with just a 7.3 to 8.4 magnitude, could be enough to destroy the delicate continental shelf and indeed plunge most of the east coast into the Ocean. The largest problem is there is no safe place and due to weather shifts, no area where drought, tornadoes or earthquakes and fires can be guaranteed not to occur. IN addition, people do not get to command their own destiny--they go where the jobs are. If that is a coastal city or CA, they will live there--whereever the companies hire and send them. Also, many insurance companies renege on what they said they would cover after a disaster, so buying coverage is not the answer. Insurance companies do not want the loss, so they cancel all policies or deny claims and try to move out.

[b-easy63]

Most Disasters on a magnitude to destory hundreds of homes are not something that can be planned for. In the case of fires, the actual fires that destroy homes actually start several hundred or even thousands of miles away. Many of the homes destroyed are suburbs and have about as many trees as your home does (1 or 2 or none) what they do have is congested building. When a fire has enough fuel and has been burning long enough, or is large enough --it creates its own oxygen tunnel At that point a hyper situation is created in which the fire rushes at astonishing speeds carried by the wind and burning so hot that things are vaporized without even ever getting near the flames. If you don''t live in CA, then this could happen if you live say in Kansas City and a fire somehow makes its way from Denver or Oklahoma City up to you. Often several fires join together to create these amazing wind tunnels and it does not matter WHERE you live--fires need 2 things to burn--Oxygen and fuel. Buildings or trees can provide the fuel but both are not needed --the only necessary thing besides ANY fuel source is Oxygen and time to get large enough ---- Bet that is everywhere you live. If a fire is strong enough and big enough, it keeps its own supply of Oxygen almost like a fire tornado--at that point it is almost impossible for firemen to put out such a fire as long as houses or any fuel source is there. next post

[b-easy63]

So here is the deal--trees and brush can be removed and most people in CA are under ordinances to NOT have any trees or certain types of brush on their land--but in a hyper/super fire situation, it does not matter--the momentum of the fire will simply jump from home to home and this type of fire can happen ANYWHERE which is why last year--it was happening in Florida, Georgia and SC or do you suggest we have no trees? See how long you live without them there to take up all the CO2 and leave you Oxygen to breathe. The government''s actual function is to assist states with any event larger than the state''s resources--that is what states pay taxes to the government for. Until Bush, FEMA appeared to adequately handle disasters as large earthquakes, hurricanes etc have been damaging parts of America for centuries. Only under Bush does all go to hell in a handbasket. This IS an indictment of Bush--if for no other reason, than a mgr IS responsible for choosing incompetent people --as it is a measure of his own acumen and lack of discernment. Bush is a devious but mediocre and not too bright person. He surrounds himself with like personalities.

[b-easy63]

tulcak,
You ought to go look at the Gulf Coast. There has been a gigantic recovery there. Taxpayer''''s did a lot of it. Private sector did a lot. But most of it was done by private sector using taxpayer money. But really taxpayer money should be reserved for roads bridges, levees, police, military and other infrastructure. Privately owned residences should be handled by individuals and their private insurers.
People should live in closer communities and use more public transportation. Don''''t build on the side of a mountain and complain about transportation costs or below sea level and complain when the levee breaks.

Posted by runningralph at 07:59 AM : Feb 18, 2008


Louisiana (ie New Orleans) is part of the Gulf Coast. It is not faring well. This is not the first Hurricane or disaster NO has experienced, this is just the one, under inept Republican rule--that does not seem to go well. Under Clinton, there were many tornadoes, floods and disasters (the huge Mississippi River floods of 1993, that encompassed almost 7 states, Hurricane Andrew, etc) The fact is--Bush is a lousy mgr and so are his cronies--most were awarded jobs due to loyalty not skill--it is never good to hire friends when actual results must be expected. Bush failed in every business he ever owned (as he is failing in managing America) from who he chooses to run things to his assessment on situations--the man bats a zero.

[b-easy63]

Like others have said--Bush was a man born on 3rd base--who thought he hit a triple. The man is an incompetent--naturally his friends are the same--cream is not the only thing that rises to the top. Remember the Peter principle.

[jowand]

The fact is--Bush is a lousy mgr and so are his cronies--most were awarded jobs due to loyalty not skill--it is never good to hire friends when actual results must be expected. Bush failed in every business he ever owned (as he is failing in managing America) from who he chooses to run things to his assessment on situations--the man bats a zero.
Posted by b-easy63 at 09:36 AM : Feb 18, 2008

Fact is it took FEMA three weeks to show up after hurricane Floyd hit N Caroline in the 1990s. They said the water was too deep for them to move in.
Fact is you haven''t got over the fact that Dems have been out of the Whitehouse for 8 years, deal with it.

[jowand]

Called the Missouri faultline, it is said that an earthquake with just a 7.3 to 8.4 magnitude, could be enough to destroy the delicate continental shelf and indeed plunge most of the east coast into the Ocean. The largest problem is there is no safe place and due to weather shifts, no area where drought, tornadoes or earthquakes and fires can be guaranteed not to occur. IN addition, people do not get to command their own destiny--they go where the jobs are. If that is a coastal city or CA, they will live there--whereever the companies hire and send them. Also, many insurance companies renege on what they said they would cover after a disaster, so buying coverage is not the answer. Insurance companies do not want the loss, so they cancel all policies or deny claims and try to move out.
Posted by b-easy63 at 09:26 AM : Feb 18, 2008

Most powerful earthquake EVER recorded in the US took place in 1812 at New Madrid Missourri, by the way the east coast is still with us

[keithle1]

FEMA...what a joke. They haven''t got a clue. You might as well pray to God to help you when a disaster happens. "Emergency Management"...as if. Too bad FEMA isn''t run like the Coast Guard.

[ov442]

Theres always an excuse for why FEMA leaves citizens with unfilled assistance and left homeless with no options.

Last i heard, they were all vacationing in hawaii at a resort for employees and their families all paid for on the tax dollar.

[fredcs25]

With the current record of FEMA it''s time to retire this incoherent and incompetent agency to the trash bin.

[michellem99-2009]

3 days 3 ways ye on yer own. Wa State 3 days 3 ways have a plan, They have a site, NG would be there if Bush would leave them here. Hope people can help ye.