Hillary Hits Obama On Transparency, Style

Politico: Candidate Promises No New Scandals With Husband, Calls Rival's Rhetoric "Abstract"

(The Politico)  This story was written by Mike Allen.

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Senator Hillary Rodham (D-N.Y.) mocked Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) for his high-flown rhetoric, suggesting she would fight important fights when he would back down.

Clinton, speaking on WJLA Channel 7 in Washington and Politico.com, also promised there would be no new scandals involving her husband, former President Bill Clinton.

The senator was asked a question from a Politico.com reader in Santa Monica, Calif., who was seeking assurance that "no new business or personal scandal involving Bill Clinton" could erupt if she were in the White House and give fodder to Republicans.

"You know, I can assure this reader that that is not going to happen," she said. "You know, none of us can predict the future, no matter who we are and what we are running for, but I am very confident that that will not happen."

During the half-hour conversation, she said that when she hears Obama’s oratory about a more civil politics, she wonder what fights he would avoid.

“You never hear the specifics,” Clinton said. “It’s all this kind of abstract, general talk about how we all need to get along. I want to get along, and I have gotten along, in the Senate. I will work with Republicans to find common cause whenever I can. But I will also stand my ground because there are fights worth having.”

Clinton also suggested that she was getting more fair coverage from Fox News than from MSNBC, which recently ran afoul of her campaign when correspondent David Shuster said her daughter Chelsea Clinton had been “pimped” out to help with the election.

“I really am troubled by this pattern of behavior and comments that you hear,” she said.

Despite going 0-5 in recent contests, Clinton said she was winning in the big states where Democrats will need to prevail in the fall.

“I think things have gone well,” she said. “I’ve been around a long time - so, you know, sometimes you’re up, sometimes you’re down. I’ve been through all of that. But I feel

Clinton added: “The history-making nature of my candidacy and Senator Obama’s candidacy - it’s just thrilling to me.”

On other issues:

-About Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), she cracked: “Luckily, I agree with my party more than Senator McCain agrees with his party.”

-She said the delegates she won in Michigan and Florida should count toward the nomination, even though the Democratic National Committee said the states would be punished for moving their contests so early.

Clinton was the only major Democratic candidate on the ballot in Michigan, and she was the only candidate to fly into Florida the night of the election.

“I think that both Michigan and Florida should count, because these are two states we have to carry,” she said. “This is not about so much as the ins and outs of the Democratic National Committee as to whether the Democrats are going to win in the fall.

“In Michigan, all of us had a chance to leave our names on the ballot - I chose to do so,” she continued. “My opponents ran a very vigorous campaign to get people to vote ‘uncontested.’ There was a campaign going on - it was a campaign against me, and I still won a majority.

“I think that the Democratic Party has to be looking very realistically about what it is we’re trying to achieve here. We need to win in November. … I think that both in Michigan and in Florida, the Democratic Party should really give these people who came out and voted - they weren’t involved in the rulemaking. Give them a chance.”

- On Iraq, Clinton called the Bush administration’s plan for a “pause” in planned troop drawdowns “such a disheartening piece of news.”

“There is no military solution and it is time that the Iraqis understood that,” she said after noting that U.S. troops had done everything they have been asked to do.

-WJLA showed back-to-back interviews with Obama and Clinton. Originally, the station had offered a debate, but Obama declined. Obama has accepted one debate in Ohio and one in Texas. Clinton said she hopes he will join her in accepting many more.

“It seems kind of strange because he’s always talking about how we need to, you know, let the voters know where we stand,” she said. “I think the debate really concentrates attention.”

-Clinton said she eats hot peppers because “years ago, I was told that hot peppers would keep me healthy.”

- “Jalapenos, banana peppers - any kind of hot peppers,” she said. “I eat them raw, I eat them cooked. I don’t whether it’s for everybody, but it’s worked for me.

[hillaryin08]

Obama Looks To Ride Wave Of Momentum
Ahead Of 3 Tuesday Primaries, Clinton Dismisses Talk That Her Campaign Is In Trouble

Just wait until the Clintonistas try and seel this away from him via secret delagates at the convention.

What would you call that? Lib on Lib crime?

[realpatriot1]

I find her health plan and Iraqi policies to be abstract.

How will she force people to buy insurance coverage they can''t afford? Will she garnishee their wages? Will she throw them in jail?

ow will she withdraw from Iraq in 6 months as she''s now promising Will she finally get that exit plan that the Pentagon hasn''t been giving her? Has she developed her own exit plan without the help of the military?

It''s time for Hillary to stop dodging and start fleshing out some detail of her own.

A promise that Bill will be a good boy is not something I place a great deal of confidence in.
I have more faith in Michelle being a good girl and not trying to pilfer FBI files, fire civil servants and political appointees in the White House travel
office, selling the Lincoln bedroom to foreign agents,
or advocating for the pardoning of international fugitives from justice.

[hook1950]

I much prefer transparency to Hillary''s style--lying.

[lorinkundert]

We have Hillary, the pot calling the kettle black, no pun intended.

[shutupnvote]

A Department of Veterans Affairs analysis finds that %u201CNational Guard and Reserve troops who have fought in Iraq and Afghanistan make up more than half of veterans who committed suicide after returning home from those wars.%u201D In 2006, the Army%u2019s suicide rate was 17.3 per 100,000 troops, %u201Cthe highest level in 26 years of record-keeping.%u201D

According to a Rand Corp. report, the U.S. military is seriously deficient in meeting %u201Cthe threat of Islamist insurgencies.%u201D The report states that %u201CU.S. military intervention and occupation in the Muslim world%u201D is %u201Cat best inadequate, at worst counter-productive, and, on the whole, infeasible.%u201D

%u201CAs home prices fall and banks tighten lending standards, people with good, or prime, credit histories are falling behind on their payments for home loans, auto loans and credit cards at a quickening pace, according to industry data and economists.%u201D

Six major U.S. banks %u2014 Bank of America, Citigroup, Countrywide Financial, JP Morgan Chase, Washington Mutual, and Wells Fargo %u2014 have announced that they will be taking part in %u201CProject Lifeline,%u201D which will give homeowners an extra 30 days to renegotiate their mortgage payments.

I Think Progress COULD somone in the Press ask Obama what he would do about any of these this ...or just and watch Dems slughtered in Nov

[jack3213]

Hillary/Obama positions:
1. Surrender Iraq to the terrorists,
2. Raise taxes,
3. Keep the borders open to illegal immigrants (including possible terrorists),
4. Force people to use government-run healthcare, and
5. Prevent people under 35 from ever getting Social Security benefits (even though they pay for it)

McCain/Huckabee positions:
1. Force the terrorists in Iraq to surrender,
2. Lower taxes,
3. Protect Americans by securing the border,
4. Allow people to choose their healthcare provider,
5. Guarantee that people who pay into Social Security will one day benefit from it

There is a clear difference here. Vote with these facts in mind.

[fibonacci_]

Nice spin, Jack3213.

[shutupnvote]

Posted by realpatriot1 at 09:18 AM : Feb 12, 2008

gossip snide remarks anti women anti dem establishment threats charges of racism, is all you Ocyltes seem to come up with

How about some substance buddy


1. Energy where does the waste for his biggest contributor go hopefully Il?

2. Iraq as a source of foreign Oil? What are the impacts when we leave, how will he keep supply coming while America shift green?

3. If not universal, what then is he proposing reinstating Welfare Programs is that why he rails against Bill Clinton are my tax dollars going to be used is a social program bailout for people who wont pay there way? Or is the Senator advocating that the Health industry provide freebies without tax subsidy, or just flat out deny them throw them on the street

[realpatriot1]

shutupNvote,

The press doesn''t need to ask Obama these questions because they''ve gone to his website and already have the anwers.

Maybe you should shut up and check it out yourself.

[realpatriot1]

shutupNvote,

Kindly source your accusations of snide remarks, gossip(that''s funny coming from you), and anti-womanism.

I admit to the anti-Dem establishment part but deny the others.

What you present as substance is so incoherent that I don''t even know what I would be responding to. Energy waste from his biggest contributor? Keeping Iraqi oil supply coming while America goes green?

Huh?

[PulSamsara]

Barack Obama for President of the UNITED States of America.

[shutupnvote]

Maybe you should shut up and check it out yourself.


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Posted by realpatriot1 at 09:35 AM : Feb 12, 2008


Just what I though no answer no clue. But we jsut LLOOOOOOOve O Hillary bad racist.

[alburbooks]

Tes Mrsd Hillary. Florida and Michigan must be all yours, as florida was for Bush. Do you not have shame in try to do the same that Mr Bush did? You do not have shame to ask the democrat party do the same thing that the supreme court did for mR Bush? Do you not have shame to think that because others candidates, acepted and fallow the rules of the democraty party they must be punished and you got the steal price? I will have shame of you as president of this country if you got elected with the votes of Michigan y Florida delegates. And I''m sure those who think honesty and justice must be endorsed for everyone, will never vote for you or for any candidate of the democraty party if that happens. You will kill you dreams of be president and the democrat party will kill the dream of ge majority in congress if the robe of delegates is done. You will see that all around this nation, we will united to punish those who go against the popular vote, in contested elections, no in darkroom elections. Shame of you Mrs Hillary!

[battyellison]

I wonder who Obama will put in his cabinets the new young people for change or someone thats been in his campaign from the old Clinton machine most of his workers are disgruntled Clinton supporters and i wonder how the rah rah speeches will work when we really have to get something done there are problems all around us and you''re telling me you would trust that kind of experience to a young motivational speaker? Wake Up see what''s going around you in this world we live in today and ask yourself Can he really correct some of the problems he faces when he''s in office or can he excite a crowd? Motivate you to do more but can he change the job market can he establish power base ?

[scesq]

Please do the reserch before posting articles ike this. There are pages and pages of PDF fies with detailed explination of his plans on Obama''s website. Policy issues, and updates are posted on particular issues nearly every/every other day in the blog.

Do the research the deails are there.. hours upon hours of details on each and every issue in the speeches... way too much to put into a half hour speech.

Please at least be informed before you post!

[truthradar]

CHELSEA CLINTON BROKE ELECTION LAWS, SO WHY DOES A LAW BREAKER GET TO INFLUENCE AND SMOOGE WITH SUPER DELEGATES?
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4246640

[jncc1701]

think Hillary is right in her assessment of Obama, and his unwillingness to debate her on many of the really important issues, and should tell the people that he is very unsure about where he stands on some of the really important issues.
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how many more debates do you want??? they have debated and debated. do we really think there will be a lot of changes if HRC is president - she will not say that the Constitutional abuses of Bush will stop under her leadership = only that she will reevaluate what he has done.
The bottom line is this, HRC is running on her husband''s achievement (and his money connections, and ad visors) as president - she has no more experience than Obama. So this argument of who has the most experience is a bogus one. We should not be electing people because of the achievements of their daddy (in the case of W) of Hillary her husband.
Anyone who believes that we will not have an investigation redux if Bill and Hillary get back into the White House needs to have their heads checked.
Bill with nothing to do but follow HRC around will self destruct.
The country has too much hard work to do we cannot waste another four years on the Clinton Circus.

and there is no way she beats McCain in a general election - nothing will delight the GOP more than a HRC nomination.

[shutupnvote]

shutupNvote,

Kindly source your accusations of snide remarks, gossip(that''''s funny coming from you), and anti-womanism.

I admit to the anti-Dem establishment part but deny the others.

What you present as substance is so incoherent that I don''''t even know what I would be responding to. Energy waste from his biggest contributor? Keeping Iraqi oil supply coming while America goes green?

Huh?


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Posted by realpatriot1 at 09:41 AM : Feb 12, 2008


Lordy, ...never mind

[shutupnvote]

I think Hillary is right in her assessment of Obama, and his unwillingness to debate her on many of the really important issues, and should tell the people that he is very unsure about where he stands on some of the really important issues. He talks a good line, but doesn''''t understand the real politics of Washington. He, or no other politician has ever agreed
with everything the other party thinks. He (Obama) is a dreamer who believes he can unite people on his way of thinking. That JUST WON"T HAPPEN EVER. He needs to wake up to reality..........Doug


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Posted by az97202 at 09:33 AM : Feb 12, 2008


Yes JFK born again, very inspirational but he dose not instill confidence in his ability to be Commander in Chief or handle terrorist, nice guy though who knows maybe he can inspire Osama to turn himself in%u2026and substance well remember he said he is more of a leader that a COO directing the government institutions wonder if that means the military as well hmmm

[shutupnvote]

CHELSEA CLINTON BROKE ELECTION LAWS, SO WHY DOES A LAW BREAKER GET TO INFLUENCE AND SMOOGE WITH SUPER DELEGATES?
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote200
8/story?id=4246640



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Posted by TRUTHradar at 09:54 AM : Feb 12, 2008


Ya know I am really saddened that the young republican wing nuts dont have a candidate on their side of the Isle why oh why is Ron Paul pulling back

[realpatriot1]

The only reason Hillary is asking for more debates is to keep him off the campaign trail where voters can hear him speak.

stump speaking is his strengh and interrupting and talking around questions without answering in debates is hers.

If she would answer the questions she is being asked and allow Obama to answer his the debates might be more meaningful.

No matter how many debates are held we''ll have to wait until the General election to get the details on her healthcare plan and her plans for disengaging from the Iraq mess she got us into. We might see her tax return sooner than we get these details.

[dslowik1]

Hillary, Then why did you sign on last fall when the DNC said FL and MI would NOT count?
Also: History Check:
History check:
Hillary lead the push for health care reform in Congress first year of Clinton administration. Next year Congress was bitterly divided, Newt Gingerich was able to have the Republican revolution which turned power there over to the Republicans. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan
I am afraid Clinton would again be divisive and non-transparent.

[alanrobisch]

and there is no way she beats McCain in a general election - nothing will delight the GOP more than a HRC nomination.


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Posted by jncc1701 at 10:00 AM : Feb 12, 2008

Very well thought out amen

[alanrobisch]

I am afraid Clinton would again be divisive and non-transparent.


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Posted by dslowik1

Yup

[realpatriot1]

SCESQ,

It''s not in the nature of Hillary supporters to be informed before making unsubstantiated accusations. They''re too busy reading from the Karl Rove playbook
to study up on the differences between the candidates.

I''ve been visitng the websites of both candidates for some time and i''ve listened to all the candidates ad nauseum on talk shows and the like and no one is being terribly specific.

Some of the specifics that have been brought out raise questions as to just how viable the plans will be to be enacted.

There''s no way in hell that Congress will approve the Hillary healthcare plan as she''s presented it. The problem isn''t that people choose not to be covered(as she claimed on Meet The Press). The problem is that too many can''t afford coverage. Forcing pople to choose between food and housing and medical care is not a solution and that''s precisely what Clinton has proposed.

She screwed up healthcare in the 90s and she''s at it again.

[jw2008]

Hillary release your tax returns.

[s110478]

Voted for Obama this morning! Go Caroline County Virgnia! Go Obama!! Obama signs and supporters were all over the place. Hillary didn''t have any signs up or any visual supporters down here. I actually looked for her stuff before I votes, because I was thinking about voting for her. But supporters and signs were out of sight therefore out of mind. Only Ron Paul and Huckabee,and Obama supporter were here. GO Obama 08

[dalittle3]

The Clintons will not release their tax records and they are calling someone out for transparency? Barack has released his tax records. Says a lot to me. The Clintons act like Bush and we do not need any more of these type of people.

[dalittle3]

The Clintons will not release their tax records and they are calling someone out for transparency? Barack has released his tax records. Says a lot to me. The Clintons act like Bush and we do not need any more of these type of people.

[aj4321-2009]

Here come the true forms of the Clintons - negative ads and character assassinations!!!

[jerkeedoodle]

Transparency?Now Hill,you know what they say about people that live in glass houses.I think you need to let Bill go again so he can "finish the job".Besides,I was having a blast watching you gettin'' hit in the head by the rocks he was throwin'' at Obama!Hillaryous!

[Ms Clarity]

Well folks, we have a saying in the South and it goes like this. "A fox smells its own hole first." Now is seems to me this Hillary Clinton fox is a invalidator of all values prescious and she never stood up to her husband why then does she say she''d stand up to to the world. Come now folks, we all know that that smile on her face is the same smile she taught her daughter to do, just smile deary they''ll never know what you are really thinking or feeling. Like when she had no respect for the troops even back in her husbands administration. Oh, and picking apart a man of stature and quality, I''m speaking of Mr. Obama. She''s all over the board poor thing. First she says she can and then she can''t then she say she ain''t and then she is. Then she say''s she will and then she won''t. My, my, my, my. Such folly and blowing all that money on a lie of a campain. Such Folly. What''s this all about? Bill Clintons coupe is falling apart because we-all can see the move to the White House for the Clintons would be an embarassment and we''ve had enough of our country being shamed which BClinton began years ago. I wonder what sitting in church, slapping black people on the back really means to this self-imposed "first black president". How insulting to black people. The need to stop Uncle Tomming and vomit. Just because the Clintons have a corner on the slight-of-mouth laced with sly deception market doesn''t mean this nations good folk buy into it.

[shirk3-2009]

Nobody cares about her tax records. Whitewater is over, they found nothing, get over it.

On the other hand Oboma goes to a church that gave Farakkahn a life time achivement award. If Hillary went to a chuch that gave David Duke an award, she''d be over. But Obama gets a free pass. Why?

He has no experience, and he''s a bag of hot air. If MLK were the Beatles, he''d be Oasis...would you vote for Oasis?

[cadreami]

Hillary has clear and defined strategies to get us out of the BUSH years. You don''t hear Obama saying, "I want YOU (the voters) to hold me accountable". The reason is, he has put NOTHING out there to be held accountable to, oh, except all of Hillary''s ideas (hers released may 07; he parroted her in Aug 07). I guess those count, since he has no original ideas of his own. Oh, and CNN has results of a study of their two health care plans and the cost. Hillary is under estimated about fifteen million; Barack is under estimated about FIFTY-TWO MILLION! Will all of you Obama supporters be picking up the difference????

[hawksprings]

CAdreami,
Nice try, but the reality is that if we let the government in to control Health Care, the fact is it will cost TRILLIONS more than we''re ''estimating'' now. Look at Social Security and the ''hidden'' debt there. Look at the Pentagon and the waste there. Look at the Post office and the long lines and lacksidasical attitude you get from them. Look at the IRS and the courtesy and kindness they show you.

And you want the same organization to control and ration your health care?

But in the end, it doesn''t matter which Dembot gets the Nomination, they''re both running on broken, worn-out liberal ideas that have been tried and have failed countless times before.

[oboma2008]

Dems...if you want to beat McCain...you better vote in Obama...it''s the only chance you''ll have of getting back in the Oval office this go-around...

[grazinggoat]

Wake Up see what''''s going around you in this world we live in today and ask yourself Can he really correct some of the problems he faces when he''''s in office or can he excite a crowd? Motivate you to do more but can he change the job market can he establish power base ?
Posted by battyellison at 09:49 AM : Feb 12, 2008

-Here are some answers to your questions:
http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

-good reading!

[formlessness-2009]

No new scandals? really she is making a campaign promise that Bill won''t have an more infidelities? How can she honestly promise somehting like that? How many times has Bill cheated? And what she''s now promising that there won''t be any new scandals?!?!.... Well what about the Uranium Mining Rights in Kazakhstan Scandal? What does that not count as new?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?ex=1359435600&en=23a4d96223965ebf&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all

Borat-Gate as I call it is a prime example of what''s wrong with the Clinton''s they say one thing and do another, we don''t need this kind of self serving political environment anymore. We need a president that is more concerned with the future prosperity of America and Americans. Not a president who will tell us what we want to hear while serving their selfish needs first while ignoring ours.

[karutam]

Just a whisper then-now please tell us the truth about the Kazakh deal with the Canadian businessman. AT the same time, delegates from MI and FL should not be counted since they broke the rules on purpose and having one name in a contest really does not count. Also, saying that votes in the smaller states that went for Obama are really inconsequential is an insult to all those voters. Let''s hope that supporters of Hillary will see the light and know that this kind of rhetoric has really damaged the party.

[chitown639]

Given the scandal plagued Clinton Adminstrations of the 90s, from fundraising scandals and campaign finance crimes to charges of bribery and fraud, it would seem that the Hillary Clinton Campaign would be more transparent.

[cadreami]

So, hawksprings, were you brought up believing you only get ONE CHANCE at a dream? Of course the ideas have been tried before, sometimes it takes trying something several times before you get it right. See, the problem is most of the "anti-Hillary" groups out there are not informed about her 40 years of service to make life better for all ages and races. They only see (or remember) her attempt once in the 90''s to do something about health care and she didn''t get it completely right (oh ***). Do any of you know (or care to know) that MOST of the great achievments of our society were preceded by numerous failures? It takes failures to move forward to success. TOO DEEP for you??

[urhoour]

HRC is disingenuous in her call to have Michigan and Florida reinstated. She said nothing when the DNC ruled them out; she said nothing when those states voted to move up their primaries in violation of DNC rules. Now she wants to promote herself as the hero of those two states, champion of the little people. As for Obama not giving specifics, that''s all HRC spin. Read his site and his speeches. There''s just as much detail as in hers. She just lacks his ability to inspire and, in true Karl Rove fashion, seeks to attack him where he''s strongest, suggesting his oratory is a mask. She''d have said the same about MLK if she''d been running against him for office.

[cadreami]

I guess, if you all REALLY want to put a novice in office who will "learn on the job" we can all look forward to at least another 4 years of what we have had in the last eight. At least Obama can turn a phrase intelligently, maybe he can INSPIRE us out of war, debt, and joblessness. McCain is BUSH reincarnate, not much of a choice for rational thinkers.

[sjc_1]

They should challenge him on his No Vote record in the Senate. Make him explain why he refused to vote on so many issues. That does not show any leadership to me!

[kba0011]

I agree with Hillary. Obama has yet to show us specifics. Hillary has a proven track record of fighting the tough battles. She has fought for her causes and did not back down. Obama makes a great motivational speaker (or perhaps a vice president) but motivational/inspiring words only get you so far. Obama needs to show the American people what specifics are behind all of those words. Hillary has done that on health care, education, taxes, foreign policy, etc. etc. Think about it. Go Hillary!

[urhoour]

HRC is disingenuous in her call to have Michigan and Florida reinstated. She said nothing when the DNC ruled them out; she said nothing when those states voted to move up their primaries in violation of DNC rules. Now she wants to promote herself as the hero of those two states, champion of the little people. As for Obama not giving specifics, that''s all HRC spin. Read his site and his speeches. There''s just as much detail as in hers. She just lacks his ability to inspire and, in true Karl Rove fashion, seeks to attack him where he''s strongest, suggesting his oratory is a mask. She''d have said the same about MLK if she''d been running against him for office.

[sierra20071]

Just Stop! The negative aspect of all campaigns will come out. Would people rather know of ills before or after they vote - me, before. Obama, it seems, is going to be the next President of the United States, but I will not hold my nose and vote for him. Especially when Johnnie Mac, like Hillary, has experience in all aspects of our Government - they''ve both been in the trenches. Even with that, the American People seem to be content with voting for the Boy Wonder and that is going to be the downfall of the Democratic Party for the following eight years. When this inexperienced young boy gets through playing GI Joe and Boss Man, and it is noted to be at real peoples lives & expense, we will only have ourselves to blame. This is an important election in our Country and we are going to give the Community Organizer the baton, like Chicago did and what did he do - NOTHING. He was bought by the shysters, made sweet deals for himself and his wife. Obama will sell us out or be too intimidated to stutter this country to a favorable world opinion. Of course the rest of the world is salivating in hopes that this upstart will win the election.

[cadreami]

The MI and FL delegates WILL be seated. The DNC cannot control the state''s election processes. It can not disenfranchise those voters either...it''s unconstitutional! The had an election and the DNC "wanted" them to have it another time? This is the basis for denying the voters a voice? Oh, they want to have a CAUCUS now and discount the election? Backing this policy is only SOCIALISM people! The states are right to stand their ground.

[creeper00]

The "leadership thing" is what keeps me from being an enthusiastic Obama supporter.

I was one after his keynote speech at the 2004 Democratic convention. "Man," I thought, "here''s a guy who can get it done."

Obama left that convention with political capital to burn and then wasted it all calculating everything he did or said against his chances of winning the nomination this year. He''s effectively been on "hold" for four years. At a time when the nation desperately needed leadership Barack Obama was tiptoeing through the issues afraid to raise objections to the trashing of our country and its constitution.

This is not leadership.

Now, if I could just get past Hillary''s vote on AUMF...

[mike71067]

Why is Hillary still refusing to make public her tax records? It''s right here on CBS:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/12/politics/main3820259.shtml

Instead, she throws mud at Obama. I won''t be voting for either of those two idiots.