Two Days Of Deadly Gun Violence Nationwide
Apparent Murder-Suicide At La. College Is Latest Of Four Incidents, Leaving 15 Dead
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A lone gunman opened fire on a city council meeting near St. Louis Mo. When the rampage was over, six were dead, including the gunman. Cynthia Bowers reports.
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The gunman who killed 5 people in Kirkwood, Mo. City Hall before being killed by a cop had been involved in a dispute with the city council. Jennifer Miller reports.
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"CBS News RAW": Six people, including two police officers, died after a lone gunman opened fire on a city council meeting in Kirkwood, Mo. Charles Lee Thornton was then shot and killed by police.
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Elizabeth Reilman, left, hugs Louisiana Technical College staff member Buffy Brinkley after Brinkley left the campus Friday, Feb. 8, 2008 in Baton Rouge, La. A 23-year-old woman killed two fellow students then killed herself Friday morning police said. (AP Photo/Tim Mueller)
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In the latest incident on Friday, a young woman killed two female students in a college classroom at a Louisiana vocational college, then killed herself, police said.
The students apparently were shot in their seats in the second-floor classroom at Louisiana Technical College, Sgt. Don Kelly said.
The incident came on the heels of three other deadly attacks nationwide. In a St. Louis suburb, six people were killed when a gunman stormed a city council meeting. In Ohio, a man fired a gun and stabbed his wife in a school classroom, before killing himself. And in Los Angeles, a gunman killed four people before police shot him to death.
In Friday's Louisiana shooting, officers ran into the building within four minutes of the first 911 call, which came at 8:36 a.m., Kelly said.
"There was mass pandemonium, people running," he said. "One officer - the first into the classroom - told me he could still smell gunpowder."
One of the victims, 27-year-old Taneisha Butler, was a mother of three. Her husband, who arrived on the scene, told Anna Adair of CBS affiliate WAFB that his wife was a nursing student. The couple's three children are 4, 9, and 12 years old.
The school offers classes in a dozen subjects including early childhood education, practical nursing, drafting and welding.
Students had to stay in their classrooms for about two hours before being released for the day, said Louis Davis. He said he was taking a test for an automobile technology class when a teacher "said to stay in the classroom because there's been an incident."
He said they were allowed to leave after a police officer asked them brief questions.
School administrators and campus police did not return calls or e-mails.
Meanwhile, in Greenville, S.C., a student was shot in the leg at Greenville Technical College, but told police it was a self-inflicted accident, a campus official said. The wound was not life-threatening, said Brad Majors, the college marketing director. Majors said campus police and city police would continue to investigate.
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See all 441 CommentsSorry, but more guns are used in crimes than self defense! It''s time to do something about this gun crime and we can start by enacting strict gun controls and banning criminals and insane from owning fire arms.
Posted by darkmeat4 at 02:52 PM : Feb 08, 2008
-did you go on NRA website? or is it IDF Site?
Great Stats Schoollord! :-)
Thankx ;-)
The right of the people to keep and bear arms does not grant across-the-board access to everyone for guns. There is nothing in the bill of rights that states that this right cannot be regulated or restricted. The "people" is very vague...
on a new topic... darkmeat huh? ;-)LoL! sorry couldn''t resist.
Gun violence is on a sharp rise. There isn''t a sharp rise in the number of guns.
"It''s the economy stupid"
The same thing happened in the 1980''s when people were alienated/pauperized by an elitist government that gave them no hope. The atmosphere has been set to "mean and retribution" and many have simply snapped.
I''d like to see a chart comparing gun violence numbers versus the economy, or homelessness, or even yes, a Bush in the White House.
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Unfortunately, this falsehood is actually believed by a lot of people.
Any and all studies ever made on the subject can only use REPORTED incidents.
In today%u2019s high-speed MSN, Stories like this make the news almost every time they occur, but self-defense incidents, which seldom involve actual killings, almost never receive national publicity.
But, all that aside, what makes the statement more wrong is the mere fact that American%u2019s freedom to own and keep arms/guns in their homes, protects both those with guns in their homes and those without, because potential invaders do not know which homes have guns and which do not.
I feel a great deal safer in my home because of this right and that feeling alone is very valuable to many Americans.
BTW, I do not recall ever seeing a sign in anyone%u2019s yard proclaiming that there are no guns inside.
2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.
3. Gun control is not about guns; it''s about control.
4. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.
5. If you don''t know your rights, you don''t have any.
6. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.
7. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?
8. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.
9. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.
10. Guns only have two enemies; rust and politicians.
11. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.
12. You don''t shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.
13. 911: Government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer.
14. Assault is a behavior, not a device.
15. Criminals love gun control; it makes their jobs safer.
16. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.
17. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.
18. You have only the rights you are willing to fight for.
19 . When you remove the people''s right to bear arms, you create slaves.
20. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.
"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not."
~ Thomas Jefferson
It was 1980.
I was in London
On reading the posts by the gun lobby over the past couple of days, one can only say that they are now becoming desperate, attempting to defend the totally indefensible.
They are dragging out all of the pathetically weak reasons we have seen so many times in the past, to protect their masters, that murderous N.R.A and the firearms industry.
In a way, they themselves are partly responsible for many of these deaths, as their actions ensure that any person with a problem can easily obtain a gun and carry out his/her intent.
Of course why should that person not be able to obtain a gun, there is a dollar in it for the manufacturer, and another potential member for the N.R.A.
The right of the people to keep and bear arms does not grant across-the-board access to everyone for guns. There is nothing in the bill of rights that states that this right cannot be regulated or restricted. The "people" is very vague...
on a new topic... darkmeat huh? ;-)LoL! sorry couldn''''t resist.
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schoollord, what part of "shall not be INFRINGED. do you not understand?
was on the balcony of my hotel room and watched a police car chase what turned out to be bank robbers. The bank robbers were shooting back at the police.
It was 1980.
I was in London
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Posted by newsjunky5 at 03:26 PM : Feb 08, 2008
So what is your point, this would happen many times in the U.S. for each time in Britain.
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If this happens, criminals will start carrying knives - to cut off your hand.
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I don''t care who wrote it first, read it for it''s merits. And when you resort to name-calling, I know you''ve no point to stand on.
Blaming guns is a simple solution for a simple mind.
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Posted by SgtRDS at 03:30 PM : Feb 08, 2008
That is strange, here in Australia we put a virtual stop to these events with the introduction of gun control.
But of course you would know better, living in a society that has a much higher rate of gun deaths than just about all other western n ations.
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That claim wasn''''t false. There are more gun crimes than DGUs!~
"Any and all studies ever made on the subject can only use REPORTED incidents."
That''''s a falsehood. DGU reports are ESTIMATES and they include reported and unreported!~ Notice the term "estimated" in this quote from the DoJ!~
" During the same period an estimated annual average of 62,000 violent crime victims (approximately 1 percent of all violent crime victims) used a firearm in an effort to defend themselves. In addition, an annual average of about 20,000 victims of theft, household burglary or motor vehicle theft attempted to defend their property with guns."
Posted by schoollord at 03:25 PM : Feb 08, 2008
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An estimate is merely a GUESS. And even those guesses do not include violence/crimes prevented by the fact that homes indeed have guns inside.
Have there ever been studies made to show the number of any/all violent crimes committed in countries that ban guns, involving weapons other than guns, after guns were banned?
All I have ever read gave statistics showing lower gun violence, not lower violence in general
Posted by schoollord at 03:35 PM : Feb 08, 2008
Until you deal with WHY people are killing each other it''s useless to blame guns. The one thing all of these cases had in common is mental health issues, not gun issues. The gun is just a tool and these murder suicides would have happened anyway if they had a gun or not.
It was 1980.
I was in London
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And I''ve been in Germany the past 7 years and I can remember only one incident that a student walked into a school and shot people. How many times in just the past 7 years has this sort of thing happen in our country??? How many times in just the last year has this sort of cr@p happen? I would like to see the comparison between America and anywhere in Europe or Europe as a whole. They have real gun control laws that work for the most part. They may not be 100% perfect but they sure are better than what we have.
And everyone talks about giving up their freedoms if we change our gun laws. Well, how free are we if people have to live in fear of being gunned down at a mall or school or at work or at a town hall meeting. Thats something to think about!
Posted by rheola at 03:37 PM : Feb 08, 2008
I can promise you that the rate of murder suicides did not go down, just the ones that used guns to do it with.
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Posted by SgtRDS at 03:47 PM : Feb 08, 2008
We dealt with it in Australia, the introduction of gun control laws made an immense difference.
.. a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen...
Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C.App 1981) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)
Davidson v. Westminster, 32 Cal.3d 197, 185, Cal. Rep. 252; 649 P.2d 894 (1982) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)
Stone v. State 106 Cal.App.3d 924, 165 Cal Rep. 339 (1980) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)
Morgan v. District of Columbia, 468 A.2d 1306 (D.C.App. 1983) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)
Sapp v. Tallahassee, 348 So.2d 363 (Fla. App. 1st Dist.), cert. denied 354 So.2d 985 (Fla. 1977); Ill. Rec. Stat. 4-102 (no liability for failure to provide police protection)
Keane v. Chicago, 98 Ill. App.2d 460, 240 N.E.2d 321 (1st Dist. 1968) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)
Jamison v. Chicago, 48 Ill. App. 3d 567 (1st Dist. 1977) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)
Chapman v. Philadelphia, 290 Pa. Super. 281, 434 A.2d 753 (Penn. 1981) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)
Morris v. Musser, 84 Pa. Cmwth. 170, 478 A.2d 937 (1984) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)
"Are your skills lacking employability in this new high tech age? Well, enroll now at the Funeral & Forensics Technical Institute to meet the challenges of our changing world. Are you aware that 7 in 10 jobs by 2009 will be in the forensics and funeral industry? 9 in 10 by 2011? Did you know that this is a perminant domestic field that will never be sent over seas? So enroll now! Government help and low cost loans for you new career are available immediatly! Posted by zootallures2
Zoot is almost this honest in his other posts.
100,000-250,000 murders/year... Freedom Fries!
Posted by schoollord at 03:51 PM : Feb 08, 2008
But people have the right to commit suicide without any intervention from the government. However taking someone else with them indicates a mental health issue, not a gun issue.
can promise you that the rate of murder suicides did not go down, just the ones that used guns to do it with.
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Posted by SgtRDS at 03:49 PM : Feb 08, 2008
Appears to be a very knowledgable statement.
It is of course, is that not so.
Of course in your country, the crime rate does not nor never increases.
The facts are, the rate of gun related deaths fell heavily here. that cannot be disputed, our overall death by criminal actions remains far lower than that of the U.S.
Do not try using "Red Herrings"
Posted by schoollord
Yes, the police do save lives, and they do use guns to do so. People who use guns ILLEGALLY are the ones who cause crimes and most deaths.
Posted by rheola at 03:56 PM : Feb 08, 2008
I prefer my herrings pickled........
Posted by dredre2k at 02:45 PM : Feb 08, 2008
Felons and mentally insane people are banned from legal gunownership.
Yes, the police do save lives, and they do use guns to do so. People who use guns ILLEGALLY are the ones who cause crimes and most deaths.
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Posted by gunownerdan at 03:57 PM : Feb 08, 2008
Then, surely the most logical thing to do, is to make it a bit more difficult for those who use guns ILLEGALLY, to obtain them, by introducing some form of gun control.
"However taking someone else with them indicates a mental health issue, not a gun issue."
Taking someone else with them indicates a grudge most of the time!~
Posted by schoollord at 03:58 PM : Feb 08, 2008
I don''t have a daughter, I have 4 sons. All of them are adults and as adults if one of them choose for whatever reason to take their own life then I have no say in the matter. That''s a personal decision.
A grudge IS a mental illness. It indicates a person who is not in control of their faculties. It''s like the DI in "Full Metal Jacket" said, "A weapon is just a tool. It is a hard heart that kills". To me a hard heart is a indication of a disconnect with reality. A mental illness.
Posted by dredre2k at 03:03 PM : Feb 08, 2008
What do you think "not infringed" means?
Felons and mentally insane people are banned from legal gunownership.
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Posted by Klingon69 at 04:01 PM : Feb 08, 2008
Then from your statement as above, we can assume these attrocities are being carried out by normal everyday gun owners, and members of the NRA.
MOST criminals are not insane, they want to live thru the crime. I propose that if a gun is used in the commission of a crime, the criminal be forced to choose which appendage of theirs gets shot if they are found guilty. With each successive crime, they may not select the same appendage again. Kind of a five strikes and you are out law.
I don''t believe it to be cruel and unusual punishment if known about before hand. If it is, make an amendment to the constitution to allow this punishment for gun crimes.
OR WE CAN DO THIS...
we can deal with the people who ABUSE THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS and the RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH..at the full extent of the law....THEN NOT ALL WOULD SUFFER..
so if one gets caught using a gun....you get what you deserve AND NOT SOME SYMPATEHTIC..''cruel and unusual punishment'' argument..
Posted by soldierboy37 at 03:16 PM : Feb 08, 2008
Well, that and the SECOND ADMENDMENT.
The fact is, that criminals will always have guns. It is very easy to obtain a firearm. In NYC in the 50''s and 60''s, the gangs used zipguns. Zipguns are a homemade firearm that used a piece of pipe.
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Posted by rheola at 04:04 PM : Feb 08, 2008
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only a few people would ASSUME..arses and you.
your reasoning is childish..
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Posted by rheola at 04:02 PM : Feb 08, 2008
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************WE HAVE TONS OF GUNC ONTROL*********
it is just bleeding heart liberals WOULD NOT ALLOW our system to fully implement laws when it comes to criminals or cirminal activities...
For example, in Philadelphia a young man was arrested for attemtped murder when he shot and injured someone. He was out of jail a week later!
Locking up criminals who illegally use guns for long periods of time can certainly help to reduce the number of gun crimes.
Locking up criminals who illegally use guns for long periods of time can certainly help to reduce the number of gun crimes.
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Posted by gunownerdan at 04:11 PM : Feb 08, 2008
As would reducing the number of guns in circulation, even more so, as it would greatly lower the numbers killed by non known criminals and others.
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