Behind The Clinton-Obama Draw

Black And Young Voters Back Obama; Latinos, White Women And The Elderly Support Clinton

(CBS)  CBS News Political Consultant Samuel Best analyzes the Super Tuesday performance of Democrats Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

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Voters split their support nearly equally between Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama in states holding Democratic primaries on Super Tuesday, according to CBS News exit polls.

Nationwide, 49 percent of Super Tuesday voters supported Clinton, while 46 percent supported Obama. Regardless of who wins the nomination, the overwhelming majority of voters would be content with either outcome. Seventy-two percent would be satisfied if Clinton were the nominee, while 70 percent would be satisfied in Obama were the nominee.

Economic concerns continue to weigh heavily on Democratic primary voters. Ninety-one percent of voters said the economy was not good or poor. Nearly half (48 percent) of voters cited the economy as the most important issue facing the nation, with the remaining voters splitting between the Iraq war (29 percent) and health care (29 percent).

Clinton was favored by a majority of voters who thought the economy and health care to be most important, while Obama was the choice for voters most worried about the war in Iraq.

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Voters clearly wanted a new approach to deal with these problems. A majority (51 percent), said they wanted a candidate who could bring about change, as opposed to 23 percent who preferred a candidate with experience.

Fourteen percent wanted a candidate who cares about people like them, and 9 percent wanted a candidate who would win in November. Obama was the choice among voters who sought change, while Clinton was the choice among voters who sought experience or empathy. Voters who wanted a winner were evenly divided between Clinton and Obama.

Coalitions that proved important in earlier primary states such as New Hampshire and South Carolina held once again, and fueled victories in states where these coalitions comprised a disproportionate part of the electorate. Obama did particularly well among blacks and young voters, whereas Clinton won the support of Latinos, white women, and the elderly.

Blacks turn out heavily for Obama

Black voters across the country threw their support overwhelmingly behind Obama. Nationally, 82 percent of blacks voted for Obama, compared to 17 percent who voted for Clinton. The margin was 85 to 14 among black men, and 80 to 18 among black women.

Turnout among black voters was heavy across the country, proving to be decisive in several East Coast states. In Georgia, where Obama defeated Clinton by more than 30 points in the popular vote, blacks comprised 51 percent of the electorate. Obama won 87 percent of their votes compared to only 12 percent for Clinton.

It was the same story in Alabama, where blacks comprised 51 percent of the Democratic electorate. They backed Obama by a margin of 84-15 percent. In Delaware, turnout among blacks was a whopping 12 points higher than in 2004, and comprised 28 percent of the electorate. Obama won the support of 86 percent of black voters in Delaware, compared to only 9 percent for Clinton.

Latinos heavily support Clinton

Clinton drew heavily from Latino voters, who comprised 16 percent of primary electorate on Super Tuesday. Sixty-four percent of Hispanic voters nationwide supported Clinton, as opposed to 34 percent who backed Obama. She won 68 percent of the vote among Latino women and 59 percent of the vote among Latino men.

Latino voters propelled Clinton to victory in two Western states. In California, Latinos comprised a 29 percent of the electorate, up 13 points from 2004. Clinton won Latino voters by a whopping 40 points, 69 percent of the Latino vote, whereas Obama pulled in 29 percent of the vote. In Arizona, Latino voters make up 18 percent of primary voters. Clinton won 55 percent of Latino voters in Arizona, while Obama was supported by 41 percent.

Obama Energizes Young Voters

Obama decisively won voters under 30 years of age. Nationwide, Obama won 56 percent of young voters, while Clinton was supported by 42 percent. Young men supported Obama by a margin of 64 -33 percent over Clinton, while young women supported Obama by 53-45 percent. The margins were similar among young people who attended college and those who did not.

Young people proved to be particularly crucial to Obama’s victory in Connecticut. Obama won voters under 30 years of age by 19 points, receiving the support of 58 percent of this age group, compared to 39 percent who supported Clinton.

The Elderly Support Clinton

Clinton once again performed well among elderly voters, who comprised 28 percent of the Super Tuesday primary electorate. Clinton was supported by 56 percent of voters 60 years of age and older, whereas Obama was supported by 35 percent. Support was similar by gender, with Clinton leading Obama among elderly women voters 59 percent to 34 percent, and among elderly men 53 percent to 38 percent.

Elderly voters powered Clinton’s victories in several key states. In Oklahoma, where Clinton won by more than 20 points, elderly voters comprised 42 percent of the electorate. Clinton won this group by nearly a three-to-one margin, securing 64 percent of their votes compared to 23 percent for Obama.

In Tennessee, elderly voters made up 28 percent of the electorate. Clinton won the support of 65 percent of elderly Tennessee voters, as opposed to only 26 percent for Obama.

White Women Back Clinton

Similar to their behavior in the early primary states, white women once again supported Clinton by a wide margin. White women comprised 35 percent of the Democratic electorate. Fifty-nine percent of white female voters supported Clinton, compared to 35 percent who supported Obama.

White female voters were a key factor in several Clinton victories. In Massachusetts, white women comprised an enormous 50 percent of the electorate. Clinton won these voters by almost a two-to-one margin, securing 65 percent of white female voters as opposed to 34 percent for Obama. In New Jersey, white females made up 34 percent of Democratic voters. A whopping 72 percent of them supported Clinton, compared to only 27 percent for Obama

Looking Ahead

The further strengthening of the coalitions built by Clinton and Obama may provide insights into the upcoming primary battlegrounds. On Saturday, Louisiana holds their Democratic primary. The large number of black voters in the state bodes well for Obama, who scored impressive victories in the nearby states of Alabama and Georgia with similar demographics.

The poll was conducted for the AP and the television networks by Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International as voters left sites in the Super Tuesday primary states. The Democratic poll interviewed 16,290 primary voters. The margin of sampling error was plus or minus 1 percentage point.

Samuel Best is the Director of the Center for Survey Research and Analysis and Associate Professor of Political Science at the University of Connecticut. He holds a Ph.D. in political science from SUNY-Stony Brook.

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The poll was conducted for the AP and the television networks by Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International as voters left sites in the Super Tuesday primary states. The Republican poll interviewed 10,402 primary voters. The margin of sampling error was plus or minus 1.5 percentage points.

[jedi08]

Hillary is in big trouble. She has maxed out her potential. Obama is just scratching the surface. If polls only stay as they are, Obama will have the delegate lead by the time we get to texas which he will win too and then Hillary wont be able to catch up.

Your fake tears didn''t work this time Hillary. Men wont vote for someone who tries to gain votes by faking tears.

[mainemcq6]

Clinton/Obama ticket looking better all the time.

[mistered9]

Jedios better be hungrey, because the crow is being cooked.

[jack3213]

It blows my mind, the audacity and stupidity of the voters who want Clinton back in the WhiteHouse at a time where the USA needs to rebuild its chatacter not continue to be suckers. It is pathetic that she is so popular, she has NO EXPERIANCE running a business or is she qualified. THEY DO NOT DESERVE IT!!! Why do you think McCain won by so much???

[jack3213]

Such selected memories and narrow views of those who only want to hear or see what they want. You want fair and balanced read and listen to the whole story. Go back in time, ask ''''Where are the Clinton papers?'''' Ask about all the illegal activites that should have landed them in jail. Fighting to defend your country is noble, running from terrorists is cowardly. We have no choice, or do you think we do? Wake up and grow up. Experiance and leadership counts. The first priority is the war not the economy. I would much rather have someone who fought in a war than someone who slept next to an adulterer and a liar and claim experiance that way!

[skyk-2009]

It blows my mind, the audacity and stupidity of the voters who want Clinton back in the WhiteHouse at a time where the USA needs to rebuild its chatacter not continue to be suckers. It is pathetic that she is so popular, she has NO EXPERIANCE running a business or is she qualified. THEY DO NOT DESERVE IT!!! Why do you think McCain won by so much???



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Posted by Jack3213 at 07:41 AM : Feb 06, 2008
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I would like for YOU to go to the site of Public Integrity. LOOK at the 935 LIES told to this nation to get us buried in a war that has NOTHING to do with the security of this nation. The people of Iraq were, in no way, involved with the attack on this nation, yet we have spent 6 LONG years and a TRILLION Dollars we do not have fighting there. FIND me one of those lies that was justified and I MIGHT concider voting for another Republican. If you can not, get out of the way!!

[mcvet]

Such selected memories and narrow views of those who only want to hear or see what they want. You want fair and balanced read and listen to the whole story. Go back in time, ask ''''''''Where are the Clinton papers?'''''''' Ask about all the illegal activites that should have landed them in jail. Fighting to defend your country is noble, running from terrorists is cowardly. We have no choice, or do you think we do? Wake up and grow up. Experiance and leadership counts. The first priority is the war not the economy. I would much rather have someone who fought in a war than someone who slept next to an adulterer and a liar and claim experiance that way!




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Posted by jack3213 at 08:18 AM : Feb 06, 2008
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You neocon''s (Nazi''s) are so funny!! Here we are, seven years into this thing and what have we gained? We have our troops bogged down in Iraq, all the while the REAL enemy has completely rebuilt to the strength he was BEFORE the attack on this nation. The Group who protected the Enemy? Well our Secretary of State is in Europe right now BEGGING for help with them. This AFTER we allowed them to escape into a Safe Haven WE created!! Now you fascist aren''t real smart, that''s a give, or you wouldn''t be fascist. But you have to be smart enough to know we need to go in a different direction here. For some reason Stay the Course, while we go Bankrupt isn''t working. Sieg Heil Bush.

[pepperp1]

Yeah Go Hillary big wins , kinda gives Kennedys, Kerry duet a bit of the birdie, and how about that divisive McCaskill all three need to watch their own elections next times seems they have a base problem.......
McClatchy
with a coalition of women, older voters and moderates,
Despite that and palpable momentum, Obama couldn''t derail Clinton''s organizational strength Tuesday. She showed that she had too much support not only from her usual cadre of voters but also from the party establishment.






The cautious optimism that the Clinton camp displayed at the start of Super Tuesday evaporated into downright giddiness when Massachusetts %u2014 whose governor and two U.S. senators had thrown their weight behind Obama %u2014 went to Clinton.
"There was a media-created surge for Obama, but the voters had something else in mind," said Doug Hattaway, a Clinton campaign spokesman.

And don%u2019t kid yourself Hillarys supporters are moderates so have plenty of money instead of Liberal debt.



Indeed

[pepperp1]

with a coalition of women, older voters and moderates,

This should be the headline, the middle mouse, the siletn majoirty, is fighting the wing nuts



Yeah Go Hillary big wins , kinda gives Kennedys, Kerry duet a bit of the birdie, and how about that divisive McCaskill all three need to watch their own elections next times seems they have a base problem.......
McClatchy
with a coalition of women, older voters and moderates,
Despite that and palpable momentum, Obama couldn''t derail Clinton''s organizational strength Tuesday. She showed that she had too much support not only from her usual cadre of voters but also from the party establishment.

And don%u2019t kid yourself Hillarys supporters are moderates so have plenty of money instead of Liberal debt.


It was very refreshing to have CBS and ABC coverage full of information, graphics and limited punditry without having to listen to those awful MSNBC CNN little children...

[l00ker]

So does Clinton carrying the hispanics make her the hispanic candidate, and is her old man now Frito Bandido, instead of soul brother number one?

[l00ker]

Clinton/Obama ticket looking better all the time.


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Posted by mainemcq6 at 04:33 AM : Feb 06, 2008


Only, if Barack wants to destroy his budding and prosperous political career.

[cbsespo]

The Obama campaign is running a very strategic race. Momentum is growing as more Americans learn what Barack Obama is about. I don`t think the flurry of endorsements that occurred recently had sufficient time to impact the vote. These endorsements will continue to come and propel Obama to the nomination.

[l00ker]

The Obama campaign is running a very strategic race. Momentum is growing as more Americans learn what Barack Obama is about. I don`t think the flurry of endorsements that occurred recently had sufficient time to impact the vote. These endorsements will continue to come and propel Obama to the nomination.


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Posted by cbsespo at 10:09 AM : Feb 06, 2008



Indeed, and this is in spite of, the Clinton media spin.

[jedi08]

I voted for Monica''s boyfriends wife.

[jedi08]

Ding dong the witch is dead.

If you add the numbers right now assuming that Obama doesn''t gain at all(we know Clinton wont, she hasn''t moved in the polls in a year) and you assume the remaining super delegates vote for their states overall pick, Obama will go into the convention with a lead of 50 to 70 delegates.

ALl you Billary Cunton supporters should probably go into hiding for the next week. Obama is about to win the NEXT 8 STATES. He is up in all except Virgina by a large margins and in Virgina by a small margin.

The numbers don''t add up for you Billary

[jedi08]

It was very refreshing how CBS and ABC coverage of full information
posted by..... somemoron

Don''t you mean so refreashing for pro Clinton talk from CBS or CLINTON BROADCAST STATION

The media have been spinning for Obama for the last week, but not in this article. Numbers are numbers and to report facts is what we want from the media.

[l00ker]

The media have been spinning for Obama for the last week, but not in this article. Numbers are numbers and to report facts is what we want from the media.


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Posted by sesanders1 at 10:54 AM : Feb 06, 2008


The spin, is coming from the Clintons, the media has just been making the delivery, of the facts indeed.

[keithepike]

Great job on the coverage last night. It was refreshing to get the facts instead spin doctors.Thanks CBS

[walrus15]

In a general election, Obama would get Hillary''s vote, and attract votes from Ind and moderate Republicans. Hillary will not get Obama''s voters, Hillary has reached almost the maximum votes she can get. Many Dems, especially white males have said they''d vote for McCain instead of Hillary and a large percentage of African Americans will sit out. After South Carolina many of Obama''s supporters will not vote for the Clintons. The excitement Obama has generated in his supporters will not carry over to Hillary. The only chance the republicans have is if they are running against Hillary, it may be the only thing that will bring the republicans together and motivate their base.

If Hillary would become President what will happen? All these champaign promises have no chance of ever bearing fruit. The Republican base hates Hillary, they will not work with her and attack her at every turn. They will because it is what the people back home want, by doing so they will be very popular in their home districts and reassure their re-election. Nothing will get done but 8 more years of fighting, bickering and investigations. It is time to end this kind of politics, It is time for a change.

[rowdytexan2]

voted for Monica''''s boyfriends wife.


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Posted by jedi08 at 10:32 AM : Feb 06, 2008


Oh kewl, I did too. Great minds think alike. :)

[wcheeney]

I hate to say it, but the candidates that we have running for president doesn''t do it for me. I don''t think we have a candidate that is running that could actually fill the position of commander and cheif. We need someone in there that actually cares about OUR countries beliefs, morals, and values. Not someone to tell you what you want to here so that they can shine at the time.

If the democrats decide to field Hilary as opposed to the better qualified Obama...guess what..the GOP may reach for Collin Powell as McCain Vice President to exploit the crack among the Democrats. If that happens, the Democrats would have surrendered their winning chance to the Republican.

[jack3213]

The Clintons remind me of a desperate and saddened old cult that has gone out of style, that too many Americans can''t let go of, that in their feeble attempt to fall for the pie in the sky, once again, they will be sucked into the illusionary scam of fraud and hope to aquire things they will go poor paying for, only to come to the realization they were sadly lied to. SAVE YOUR OWN SOUL!-- "IS" means: Clinton IS DONE!

[roxy000]

Left and right media are beating Clinton, but she is doing great despite of all of these. This is the quality I am looking for in the president of the united stated. Someone can stand tall against of all circumstances. Obama has all the resources from all these retarded medias to her wealthy Oprah and Keneddy family. I think America last night proved the same that they want Clinton. Obama won in Cacauses which does not mean anything. And totally understandable if you are scared of you boss specailly in this bad ecomony you would vote for whoever he voted. Obama won small red states that they do not even vote for Democrate in the general election. Obama simply was the loser last night. No one say anything about how wonderful Hillary won MA, depiste of the fact that Kennedy made a big show for Obama, no one talks about how amazing Hillary won CA, depiste of the fact that dancing Oprah and all kenndy family went to all counties with rich delegates. Hillary showed how wonderful commander of cheif she could be and she is ready to lead this country from the day one.

[burneb]

JOB NUMBER 1 for America is to repair the damages from the Bush administration and their arrogant incompetence.

If the next prez manages to do as much as get America more or less back to Y2K, let alone make progress, that will be near miraculous.

Republican BAD IDEAS and Bush Corp. depredations have had lockstep robovote support from Republican congressmen and party leaders, so no Rep. candidate will be able to do it. I admire McCain personally, but maverick or not, he is still hostage to many of their bad ideas.

Because the next prez will face a nightmare of current issues like Iraq, economy, HEALTH CARE, Social Security, environment, GIANT DEFICIT, international support, etc. PLUS some complex crises not yet on the horizon, I happen to favor Hillary knowledge and abilities over Obama hope and inspirational words.

Either way, if the Dems can overcome their obsession with ripping apart each other, we may survive the Republican slime machine. After all, Dems have TWO good candidates, Republicans have NONE.

[demwatcher]

Let the Democrats fight it out all the way to the convention while the Republicans rally around an early leader.

The Country AND the World will see the Republicans as the stronger party and the Dems as fence-sitting, witless lemmings, waiting for a sign from Harry Reid.

The Dems are shooting themselves in BOTH feet!

[davidlar2]

Interesting that Democrats vote in collectivist blocks- "white women", "blacks", "latinos". I wonder if Democratic voters think of themselves as white women, blacks, or latinos rather than thinking of themselves as individuals. But I guess its hard to come up with one size fits all big government solutions to problems if people are actually individuals that don''t fit neatly into collectivist categories. The Republicans need some payback for their big government neoconservative disaster, but I just can''t put myself in a leftwing frame of mind. Guess I''ll have to vote Libertarian....

[kenmatsum]

Hillary loses to McCain. Experience argument no longer works, surge in youth and African American voters disappears.

[forthepeopl1]

OK WHY WOULD CLINTON HIDE THIS FROM EVERYBODY??THIS WAS SIGNED INTO LAW BEHIND CLOSED DOORS..WHY??

THIS NEEDS TO GET OUT INTO THE MEDIA...AND TO ALL NEWS

CLINTON ALLOWS BUSH TO PARDON HIMSELF
Buried deep inside Military Commisions Act, which was FULLY SUPPORTED by Senators Clinton, and McCain, is a provision which pre-pardons President Bush and all the members of his administration for any crimes which they may have committed all the way back to September 11, 1998. Why that far back? That kind of makes you wonder. Huh? I can''''t help but recall what Nixon said during an interview following the Watergate scandal when he said, "If the President does it, by definition, it''''s not illegal." History never repeats itself, folks. It only rhymes. At least Nixon had enough class to wait for another President to pardon him for his crimes against our country. Bush apparently doesn''''t want to take that chance. He has to consider the risk that A AMERICAN will become our next President.


DAVID A BELANGER,U.S.ARMY VET,[e-mail],978-618-3105

[rayuk-2009]

I remain convinced that Hillary is, by far, the smartest and best qualified individual to lead the country out of the Bush mess.

McCain shoots from the hip far too often and is much like Bush in that regard. Obama has a nice delivery of a vague and by no means specific message. Hillary knows what it will take and she will use every person and tool available to accomplish what needs to be done. We call that experience.

For some reason, a bunch of fools don''t want to give Hillary the chance and credit she deserves. These are small thinking individuals that amount to a block in the road forward. Get over it fools and understand we need action, not words.

[gangesdak]

Hillary is goung through the gauntlet. Neither the right nor the left part of the media has shown any support for her, perhaps because of her gender. Women newscasters are afraid of supporting her, males newscasters either oppose her or show their natural disdain; black newscasters have no such problem- they know who to support. But Hillary has shown enormous stamina and strength. I hope, her suypporters just keep pushing, and put her on top. She will be a fine President.

[voter1111]

It is a credit to Obama to be able to get so many young voters interested and hopeful, but a mistake, I think, to assume he is the only candidate that ever campaigned on the idea that the American people were ready for change. He has turned less experience into something that is apparently selling. Smart guy. Nonetheless, these may not be times best suited for the trainee. Hillary has a heart of true service, more experience with making change happen, and most of the same ideals Obama has......plus, we''d get Bill as first lady! I think it''s a great deal and I''m voting for her!

[pepperp1]

Hillary Clinton, but said she would not do enough to change Washington....................

Compared to what, say for example how Obama a long time member of the Chicago rough and tumble Pay Go Political machine has changed nothing in his own States corrupt climate of Political gamesmanship in all these years in office. So tell us Senator how you changed politics as usual hmmmmmmmmm how many years does that Obama hope magic take, I think the co purchase of your family mansion with a political patron who was under federal investigation for corruption was a little more than boneheaded Senator and I am not really sure why the Ethics committee isn%u2019t look at this yet maybe waiting for the trial to begin to get the best effect maybe.


Or how about Obamas supposed Exelon Energy Company nuclear leak notification law he bragged on the stump of brokering, his biggest lobby errrrr group or bundlers that NEVER HAPPENED.

[dschellb]

I was a big supporter of Bill Clinton when he was president and only recently changed to Barak Obama. Here is why:

Have such a strong personality like Bill Clinton so close to the proximity of power would be an organizational and constitutional nightmare. I could see him overriding cabinet secretaries right and left.

Hillary is just too cautious, at a time we need more boldness. She criticizes Mr. Obama for being naive about talking to foreign leaders like Hugo Chavez. What if Kennedy had refused to talk to Kruschev (he did much worse things than any of today''s despots)during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

She has got to many scandals in her closet, white water, travel gate. We suffer from Clinton fatigue.

[candide777]

The Country AND the World will see the Republicans as the stronger party and the Dems as fence-sitting, witless lemmings, waiting for a sign from Harry Reid.
Posted by DemWatcher at 03:06 PM : Feb 06, 2008

Yes, the party that gave us GWB, the greatest human catastrophe known to man, is the "stronger" party. Thanks, but we can''t afford to take anything that strong again! Repuglicans are going down, and they should!

[widehipster]

WHO ON THE WORLD WOULD VOTE FOR A LIEING FAILURE FAKE PERSON LIKE HILLARY?

DOES GW BUSH VOTE-COUNT-MACHINE PROGRAMMING-FRAUD MEAN ANYTHING TO ANYONE? IDIOTS!! I TOLD YOU AT EVERY 2 YEAR ELECTION SINCE GW BUSH WAS ELECTED, AND YOU FIGURED IT OUT ON HIS LAST TWO YEARS.

INDUSTRY WHO BACKS REPUBLICANS IS BACKING HILLARY. SHE IS SO STUPID, CONSTANTLY LIEING, AND DOWNRIGHT EVIL, WHO COULD VOTE FOR HER IN MASSES. ONLY A VERY CONFUSED MINORITY.

ITS NOT STUPID BLACK MAGIC LESBIAN LUCK, IT FRAUD!! TIME TO STAND UP PATRIOTS AND VETERANS! DON''T TREAD ON ME (ESPECIALLY WITH THOSE KING SIZE HIPS OF NEVER WORKING A DAY IN HER LIFE).

[widehipster]

WHO ON THE WORLD WOULD VOTE FOR A LIEING FAILURE FAKE PERSON LIKE HILLARY?

DOES GW BUSH VOTE-COUNT-MACHINE PROGRAMMING-FRAUD MEAN ANYTHING TO ANYONE? IDIOTS!! I TOLD YOU AT EVERY 2 YEAR ELECTION SINCE GW BUSH WAS ELECTED, AND YOU FIGURED IT OUT ON HIS LAST TWO YEARS.

INDUSTRY WHO BACKS REPUBLICANS IS BACKING HILLARY. SHE IS SO STUPID, CONSTANTLY LIEING, AND DOWNRIGHT EVIL, WHO COULD VOTE FOR HER IN MASSES. ONLY A VERY CONFUSED MINORITY.

ITS NOT STUPID BLACK MAGIC LESBIAN LUCK, IT FRAUD!! TIME TO STAND UP PATRIOTS AND VETERANS! DON''T TREAD ON ME (ESPECIALLY WITH THOSE KING SIZE HIPS OF NEVER WORKING A DAY IN HER LIFE).

[likeitis5050]

Thanks, but we can''''t afford to take anything that strong again! Repuglicans are going down, and they should!


Posted by Candide777

What a idiotic statement to make. All Republicans have to pay for Bush? He11 3/4 of Republicans don''t like what he''s done either...any more than Democrats like the lousy job the House is doing NOW!!! So all Democrats should slink away in shame? Grow up, for God''s sake. It''s called politics and politicians are, by nature, bottom-feeders. You pick the candidate that most agrees with where you stand on issues...period...not Democrat or Republican...not by race or religion...get it? Fencing yourself in is one thing...but some of us choose to actually weigh the issues with the candidates and go from there, regardless of party. Now if you want to debate where candidates stand and how authentic you think they are...great. I''ll start. McCain and Clinton are both deluded.

[realpatriot1]

Change and experience are campaign slogans without examples of results to reinforce the concepts.
They aren''t policies or proposals. They don''t indicate
the ability to make sound decisions and they don''t give us any indication of the character of the individual.

I''ve yet to see any examples from the pundits or Hillary supporters that reinforce the argument that she has the experience to make the tough decisions.

What is this on the job training that Hillary supposedly has already had? Mishandling healthcare?
Voting wrong on the war? Bringing scandal upon the White House by pilfering FBI files and attempting to fire her husband''s appointees?

What has she accomplished that would provide any more confidence that she''s ready than any other candiate?

Anyone?

[wideahipster]

DESPITE REPUBLICAN-VOTE-COUNT-MACHINE PROGRAMMING-FRAUD, OBAMA STILL HAS 10 MORE ELECTED DELEGATES THAN CLINTON!!

AMERICA HAS ALWAYS SOLD THEIR OWN SOULS TO INDUSTRY, AND NOW WE CAN SEE THIS REAL TIME ON INTERNET!

LETS GO BACK TO UNMANIPULATED PUNCH BALLOTS. JUST CLEAN YOUR TABS, AND THEY ARE MORE ACCURATE THAN MANIPULATED PROGRAM DATA BY REPUBLICAN PROGRAMMERS.

HILLARY IS A FAKE SMILE FARST, JUST LIKE HER HUSBAND. BOTH ARE FRONT MEN FOR THE REPUBLICANS WHO LET REPUBES RUN WILD ON THEIR SHIFTS. NEW YORK? LOL, NO REGULATION ON STOCK BROKERS, EVER! HILLARY IS JUST LIKE BILL, BUT THERE WILL BE NO BOOM FOR ABOUT 60 MORE YEARS.

YOU IDIOTS ARE JUST GETTING SUCKED INTO INDUSTRY MACHINE WHILE A FEW INTELLIGENT PEOPLE ARE WATCHING AND GETTING PULLED OVER THE CLIFF IN YOUR MASS IGNORANCE.

FORGIVE THEM FATHER. THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO.

[wideahipster]

DESPITE REPUBLICAN-VOTE-COUNT-MACHINE PROGRAMMING-FRAUD, OBAMA STILL HAS 10 MORE ELECTED DELEGATES THAN CLINTON!!

AMERICA HAS ALWAYS SOLD THEIR OWN SOULS TO INDUSTRY, AND NOW WE CAN SEE THIS REAL TIME ON INTERNET!

LETS GO BACK TO UNMANIPULATED PUNCH BALLOTS. JUST CLEAN YOUR TABS, AND THEY ARE MORE ACCURATE THAN MANIPULATED PROGRAM DATA BY REPUBLICAN PROGRAMMERS.

HILLARY IS A FAKE SMILE FARST, JUST LIKE HER HUSBAND. BOTH ARE FRONT MEN FOR THE REPUBLICANS WHO LET REPUBES RUN WILD ON THEIR SHIFTS. NEW YORK? LOL, NO REGULATION ON STOCK BROKERS, EVER! HILLARY IS JUST LIKE BILL, BUT THERE WILL BE NO BOOM FOR ABOUT 60 MORE YEARS.

YOU IDIOTS ARE JUST GETTING SUCKED INTO INDUSTRY MACHINE WHILE A FEW INTELLIGENT PEOPLE ARE WATCHING AND GETTING PULLED OVER THE CLIFF IN YOUR MASS IGNORANCE.

FORGIVE THEM FATHER. THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO.

[wideahipster]

DESPITE REPUBLICAN-VOTE-COUNT-MACHINE PROGRAMMING-FRAUD, OBAMA STILL HAS 10 MORE ELECTED DELEGATES THAN CLINTON!!

AMERICA HAS ALWAYS SOLD THEIR OWN SOULS TO INDUSTRY, AND NOW WE CAN SEE THIS REAL TIME ON INTERNET!

LETS GO BACK TO UNMANIPULATED PUNCH BALLOTS. JUST CLEAN YOUR TABS, AND THEY ARE MORE ACCURATE THAN MANIPULATED PROGRAM DATA BY REPUBLICAN PROGRAMMERS.

HILLARY IS A FAKE SMILE FARST, JUST LIKE HER HUSBAND. BOTH ARE FRONT MEN FOR THE REPUBLICANS WHO LET REPUBES RUN WILD ON THEIR SHIFTS. NEW YORK? LOL, NO REGULATION ON STOCK BROKERS, EVER! HILLARY IS JUST LIKE BILL, BUT THERE WILL BE NO BOOM FOR ABOUT 60 MORE YEARS.

YOU IDIOTS ARE JUST GETTING SUCKED INTO INDUSTRY MACHINE WHILE A FEW INTELLIGENT PEOPLE ARE WATCHING AND GETTING PULLED OVER THE CLIFF IN YOUR MASS IGNORANCE.

FORGIVE THEM FATHER. THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO.

[wideahipster]

DESPITE REPUBLICAN-VOTE-COUNT-MACHINE PROGRAMMING-FRAUD, OBAMA STILL HAS 10 MORE ELECTED DELEGATES THAN CLINTON!!

AMERICA HAS ALWAYS SOLD THEIR OWN SOULS TO INDUSTRY, AND NOW WE CAN SEE THIS REAL TIME ON INTERNET!

LETS GO BACK TO UNMANIPULATED PUNCH BALLOTS. JUST CLEAN YOUR TABS, AND THEY ARE MORE ACCURATE THAN MANIPULATED PROGRAM DATA BY REPUBLICAN PROGRAMMERS.

HILLARY IS A FAKE SMILE FARST, JUST LIKE HER HUSBAND. BOTH ARE FRONT MEN FOR THE REPUBLICANS WHO LET REPUBES RUN WILD ON THEIR SHIFTS. NEW YORK? LOL, NO REGULATION ON STOCK BROKERS, EVER! HILLARY IS JUST LIKE BILL, BUT THERE WILL BE NO BOOM FOR ABOUT 60 MORE YEARS.

YOU IDIOTS ARE JUST GETTING SUCKED INTO INDUSTRY MACHINE WHILE A FEW INTELLIGENT PEOPLE ARE WATCHING AND GETTING PULLED OVER THE CLIFF IN YOUR MASS IGNORANCE.

FORGIVE THEM FATHER. THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO.

[wideahipster]

DESPITE REPUBLICAN-VOTE-COUNT-MACHINE PROGRAMMING-FRAUD, OBAMA STILL HAS 10 MORE ELECTED DELEGATES THAN CLINTON!!

AMERICA HAS ALWAYS SOLD THEIR OWN SOULS TO INDUSTRY, AND NOW WE CAN SEE THIS REAL TIME ON INTERNET!

LETS GO BACK TO UNMANIPULATED PUNCH BALLOTS. JUST CLEAN YOUR TABS, AND THEY ARE MORE ACCURATE THAN MANIPULATED PROGRAM DATA BY REPUBLICAN PROGRAMMERS.

HILLARY IS A FAKE SMILE FARST, JUST LIKE HER HUSBAND. BOTH ARE FRONT MEN FOR THE REPUBLICANS WHO LET REPUBES RUN WILD ON THEIR SHIFTS. NEW YORK? LOL, NO REGULATION ON STOCK BROKERS, EVER! HILLARY IS JUST LIKE BILL, BUT THERE WILL BE NO BOOM FOR ABOUT 60 MORE YEARS.

YOU IDIOTS ARE JUST GETTING SUCKED INTO INDUSTRY MACHINE WHILE A FEW INTELLIGENT PEOPLE ARE WATCHING AND GETTING PULLED OVER THE CLIFF IN YOUR MASS IGNORANCE.

FORGIVE THEM FATHER. THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO.

[wideahipster]

DESPITE REPUBLICAN-VOTE-COUNT-MACHINE PROGRAMMING-FRAUD, OBAMA STILL HAS 10 MORE ELECTED DELEGATES THAN CLINTON!!

AMERICA HAS ALWAYS SOLD THEIR OWN SOULS TO INDUSTRY, AND NOW WE CAN SEE THIS REAL TIME ON INTERNET!

LETS GO BACK TO UNMANIPULATED PUNCH BALLOTS. JUST CLEAN YOUR TABS, AND THEY ARE MORE ACCURATE THAN MANIPULATED PROGRAM DATA BY REPUBLICAN PROGRAMMERS.

HILLARY IS A FAKE SMILE FARST, JUST LIKE HER HUSBAND. BOTH ARE FRONT MEN FOR THE REPUBLICANS WHO LET REPUBES RUN WILD ON THEIR SHIFTS. NEW YORK? LOL, NO REGULATION ON STOCK BROKERS, EVER! HILLARY IS JUST LIKE BILL, BUT THERE WILL BE NO BOOM FOR ABOUT 60 MORE YEARS.

YOU IDIOTS ARE JUST GETTING SUCKED INTO INDUSTRY MACHINE WHILE A FEW INTELLIGENT PEOPLE ARE WATCHING AND GETTING PULLED OVER THE CLIFF IN YOUR MASS IGNORANCE.

FORGIVE THEM FATHER. THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO.

[wideahipster]

DESPITE REPUBLICAN-VOTE-COUNT-MACHINE PROGRAMMING-FRAUD, OBAMA STILL HAS 10 MORE ELECTED DELEGATES THAN CLINTON!!

AMERICA HAS ALWAYS SOLD THEIR OWN SOULS TO INDUSTRY, AND NOW WE CAN SEE THIS REAL TIME ON INTERNET!

LETS GO BACK TO UNMANIPULATED PUNCH BALLOTS. JUST CLEAN YOUR TABS, AND THEY ARE MORE ACCURATE THAN MANIPULATED PROGRAM DATA BY REPUBLICAN PROGRAMMERS.

HILLARY IS A FAKE SMILE FARST, JUST LIKE HER HUSBAND. BOTH ARE FRONT MEN FOR THE REPUBLICANS WHO LET REPUBES RUN WILD ON THEIR SHIFTS. NEW YORK? LOL, NO REGULATION ON STOCK BROKERS, EVER! HILLARY IS JUST LIKE BILL, BUT THERE WILL BE NO BOOM FOR ABOUT 60 MORE YEARS.

YOU IDIOTS ARE JUST GETTING SUCKED INTO INDUSTRY MACHINE WHILE A FEW INTELLIGENT PEOPLE ARE WATCHING AND GETTING PULLED OVER THE CLIFF IN YOUR MASS IGNORANCE.

FORGIVE THEM FATHER. THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO.

[wideahipster]

DESPITE REPUBLICAN-VOTE-COUNT-MACHINE PROGRAMMING-FRAUD, OBAMA STILL HAS 10 MORE ELECTED DELEGATES THAN CLINTON!!

AMERICA HAS ALWAYS SOLD THEIR OWN SOULS TO INDUSTRY, AND NOW WE CAN SEE THIS REAL TIME ON INTERNET!

LETS GO BACK TO UNMANIPULATED PUNCH BALLOTS. JUST CLEAN YOUR TABS, AND THEY ARE MORE ACCURATE THAN MANIPULATED PROGRAM DATA BY REPUBLICAN PROGRAMMERS.

HILLARY IS A FAKE SMILE FARST, JUST LIKE HER HUSBAND. BOTH ARE FRONT MEN FOR THE REPUBLICANS WHO LET REPUBES RUN WILD ON THEIR SHIFTS. NEW YORK? LOL, NO REGULATION ON STOCK BROKERS, EVER! HILLARY IS JUST LIKE BILL, BUT THERE WILL BE NO BOOM FOR ABOUT 60 MORE YEARS.

YOU IDIOTS ARE JUST GETTING SUCKED INTO INDUSTRY MACHINE WHILE A FEW INTELLIGENT PEOPLE ARE WATCHING AND GETTING PULLED OVER THE CLIFF IN YOUR MASS IGNORANCE.

FORGIVE THEM FATHER. THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO.

[wideahipster]

DESPITE REPUBLICAN-VOTE-COUNT-MACHINE PROGRAMMING-FRAUD, OBAMA STILL HAS 10 MORE ELECTED DELEGATES THAN CLINTON!!

AMERICA HAS ALWAYS SOLD THEIR OWN SOULS TO INDUSTRY, AND NOW WE CAN SEE THIS REAL TIME ON INTERNET!

LETS GO BACK TO UNMANIPULATED PUNCH BALLOTS. JUST CLEAN YOUR TABS, AND THEY ARE MORE ACCURATE THAN MANIPULATED PROGRAM DATA BY REPUBLICAN PROGRAMMERS.

HILLARY IS A FAKE SMILE FARST, JUST LIKE HER HUSBAND. BOTH ARE FRONT MEN FOR THE REPUBLICANS WHO LET REPUBES RUN WILD ON THEIR SHIFTS. NEW YORK? LOL, NO REGULATION ON STOCK BROKERS, EVER! HILLARY IS JUST LIKE BILL, BUT THERE WILL BE NO BOOM FOR ABOUT 60 MORE YEARS.

YOU IDIOTS ARE JUST GETTING SUCKED INTO INDUSTRY MACHINE WHILE A FEW INTELLIGENT PEOPLE ARE WATCHING AND GETTING PULLED OVER THE CLIFF IN YOUR MASS IGNORANCE.

FORGIVE THEM FATHER. THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO.

[wideahipster]

DESPITE REPUBLICAN-VOTE-COUNT-MACHINE PROGRAMMING-FRAUD, OBAMA STILL HAS 10 MORE ELECTED DELEGATES THAN CLINTON!!

AMERICA HAS ALWAYS SOLD THEIR OWN SOULS TO INDUSTRY, AND NOW WE CAN SEE THIS REAL TIME ON INTERNET!

LETS GO BACK TO UNMANIPULATED PUNCH BALLOTS. JUST CLEAN YOUR TABS, AND THEY ARE MORE ACCURATE THAN MANIPULATED PROGRAM DATA BY REPUBLICAN PROGRAMMERS.

HILLARY IS A FAKE SMILE FARST, JUST LIKE HER HUSBAND. BOTH ARE FRONT MEN FOR THE REPUBLICANS WHO LET REPUBES RUN WILD ON THEIR SHIFTS. NEW YORK? LOL, NO REGULATION ON STOCK BROKERS, EVER! HILLARY IS JUST LIKE BILL, BUT THERE WILL BE NO BOOM FOR ABOUT 60 MORE YEARS.

YOU IDIOTS ARE JUST GETTING SUCKED INTO INDUSTRY MACHINE WHILE A FEW INTELLIGENT PEOPLE ARE WATCHING AND GETTING PULLED OVER THE CLIFF IN YOUR MASS IGNORANCE.

FORGIVE THEM FATHER. THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO.