Vt. Lawmakers Want Nat'l Guard Back Home

Bill Says President's Authority To Send Guard Members To Iraq Has Expired

(CBS/AP)  Fed up that Washington hasn't done more to end the war, a group of Vermont lawmakers said this week that the president no longer has the authority to use Guard troops in Iraq.

State Rep. Michael Fisher said the authority to call up Guard members for Iraq duty has expired because that country no longer poses a threat to U.S. national security.

"The mission authorized in 2002 does not exist," said Fisher. "Unless Congress grants a new authorization, the Vermont Guard should revert back to state control."

Fisher introduced a bill Wednesday, backed by 30 colleagues, that called on Gov. Jim Douglas to join the effort.

"Most of us standing here, maybe all of us, have made objections in the past about the morality or wisdom of this war. Today we are limiting ourselves to one vital principle: the rule of law," Fisher said.

"Questions about whether the war is going well or the surge is going well should be left for other days. We have a special interest in the welfare of the Vermont National Guard," said Fisher.

Senate President Pro Tem Peter Shumlin said the Senate would take up similar legislation.

"Bottom line is, if the politicians in Washington aren't going to do the right thing for our troops, let's do the right thing by bringing our Vermont Guard members home," he said.

"If Vermont can make one small step forward, I believe others will follow," Shumlin said.

Several other states, including Maine, Minnesota, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Rhode Island are looking at similar legislation.

There are currently 25 Vermont guard members in Iraq, but the bill would also prevent future deployments of the state's Guard members to Iraq.

A spokesman for Gov. Jim Douglas said Douglas can't stop the use of Guard troops in the war.

"It's clear that's there's no legal basis for stopping the federalization of the National Guard when Congress has authorized and continues to fund a war," said Douglas' spokesman Jason Gibbs. "The bottom line is, this a federal issue."

He said Douglas would rather see Congress develop an exit strategy to bring the troops home as soon as possible.

Maj. Gen. Michael Dubie, head of the Vermont National Guard, refused to comment until he could read the bill.

Shortly after the bill was introduced in the Vermont legislature, a commission on the Army National Guard and Reserves issued a report saying that, in part because of the deployments of guard members and equipment overseas and insufficient training, the U.S. military is ill-prepared to handle a catastrophic event (such as a biological or nuclear attack) within the U.S. homeland.

[iceman_1960]

"Vermont lawmakers want National Guard back home... Several other states, including Maine, Minnesota, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Rhode Island are looking at similar legislation."
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The spirit of America"s Founding Fathers lives on, in many of their native states.

[iceman_1960]

Lets try that without the goofy control character.

Vermont lawmakers want National Guard back home... Several other states, including Maine, Minnesota, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Rhode Island are looking at similar legislation."
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The spirit of America"s Founding Fathers lives on, in many of their native states.

[medwolf-2009]

the sprit of americas founding fathers was to fight for what we want or need

[neobrian-2009]

DOWN with Their KING
Right is Right,..Wrong is W ! Send Them HOME !
Let the Oil Companies send their oWn troops !!

[grazinggoat]

CBS News: '' "Most of us standing here, maybe all of us, have made objections in the past about the morality or wisdom of this war. Today we are limiting ourselves to one vital principle: the rule of law," Fisher said. ''

-The Walking-Liar president is unlawful in many constituents'' eyes. He needs to be accounted for. Start the impeachment process, for the Evil to run away, to give back the country to its constituents.

[oleander8]

I deeply, deeply applaud the Vermont lawmakers.

The people of this country are not going to find closure on the lies, manipulation, and illegalities of this administration until they are brought to account - all of them.

The Democrats are wrong to take impeachment off the table - the country NEEDS it, the WORLD needs it in order to regain their respect again - I don''t care how close we are to the end of this regime.

[ki8911]

Hurrah for Vermont!! Maybe they shall be the mouse that roared, inspiring other states to begin the process of bringing our people home. I agree with the one poster who stated "let the oil companies put in their own troops" aka Blackwater. Our people on the front lines and the Iraqi citizens have paid the price. Our governments horrible treatment of not only our vets coming home, but also the way they treated the Iraqis who were brave enough to work with the US, more media light should be shed upon these atrocities. Of course, that would require editors to retrieve their testicles from under the bed and stop fawning over this miserable Bush Admn. Way to go Vermont!!

[piercetheval]

Bring ''em home to your Green Mts. Right on VT. Yankee Lady you''re so good for me!

[king77shaw]

Viva Vermont -- states rights first !!

[misands]

Typical Yankees that want to cut and run. We in the South have a proud military tradition and will stick this out until the end because we understand that for freedom, sacrifices must be made.

[wjneill]

Cut and run? Isn''t that phrase sorta worn out? If there is any reality to the concept of cut and run at this time in the nation''s history, it is to describe the folks who have fled reality, military and political.

Of course, they are PX commandos who would rather use someone else''s son or daughter rather than themselves to kill jihadists for Christ.

[neobrian-2009]

South Is Proud ( a LOSING Tradition )
Slavery,Greed,Nascurge,Do It Again ! LOSE !!!!

[excoachken]

To misands: Apparently the South has more "throw away children" than the North, if you think wasting their lives in Iraq while our own country stays more vulnerable to attack, is, in some twisted way, honorable.

[vt1313]

Typical Yankees that want to cut and run. We in the South have a proud military tradition and will stick this out until the end because we understand that for freedom, sacrifices must be made.


Vermont has lost more guard troops per capita than any other state. We know how to contribute to the freedom of our country, and have always served proudly for our country. This isn''t about our freedom, and I support my legislator and am proud that Vermont is trying to take our citizen soldiers out of an illegal war. I will not have the sacrifices made by my family be disregarded because we, in Vermont, are trying to do something about these awful policies and protect our people. My great uncle''s life was sacrificed for our freedom and he was a proud yankee.

[sandsofchlai]

What do I know about the South??? Well, save your
Yankee rub*bers because the south will get scr*ewed
again!! ROFL

[libsluvsuvs]

what need is to utilize our technology..we have the know how to create and build weapons that would take the place of a 100 soldiers.. titanium made cold and souless killing machine...we need more armaments that would allow a foot soldier to function at a 200% capacity with a nice ratio of survival..WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY...IT IS TIME TO USE IT..

[libsluvsuvs]

The only thing you have in the South is NASCAR comics and 1st cousin lovers....genetically defective bumkins.


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Posted by FloydZepp at 12:06 PM : Feb 02, 2008
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and i dont think you are cut from a prime stock yourself..

[tngreen]

On behalf of all enlightened Southerners who understand that our military is being used to support U.S. investments around the world and extend our empire rather than to defend our borders, I salute Vermont''s state legislature and wish that Tennessee''s would get a freaking clue. Thank you, Vermont, for having the courage to do the right thing in the face of ugly taunts from the unwashed and ignorant masses.

[iceman_1960]

"Typical Yankees that want to cut and run. We in the South have a proud military tradition and will stick this out until the end because we understand that for freedom, sacrifices must be made."
- Posted by misands at 12:03 PM : Feb 02, 2008
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Where, oh where is SEVEN-PESOS when we need him ?!?!

[libsluvsuvs]

we need to keep our national guard here..and we should send more killer drones to the battle fields of middle east..we should deploy more unconventional tactics such as assasinations, infiltrations..selective bombings..

[libsluvsuvs]

since our enemies are using unconventional civilian type warfare within our borders IT IS TIME FOR US TO USE IT in thier own neck of the woods..its time get really dirty..

[iceman_1960]

John F. Kennedy was into unconventional methods like assassination.

He discovered, in Dallas, Texas, that more than one can play that game.

It is now illegal for American Presidents to practice that method.

[libsluvsuvs]

Posted by rharrin1 at 12:53 PM : Feb 02, 2008
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and honestly the democrats and the liberal masses WOULD LOVE to have an impeachment..BUT THEY CANNOT.the substance behind the case is moot and unfounded..pretty much based of hyped up bullsh*t..SO THEY DECIDED NOT TO..and they decided NOT TO TALK ABOUT IT..anymore because they are already in power at the house..TALKING MORE ABOUT IT WOULD EXPOSE THIER BIG LIE

[libsluvsuvs]

Posted by Iceman_1960 at 12:55 PM : Feb 02, 2008
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you forgot the JFK is a liberal democrat..all it takes it a hit in the head (no pun intended) and the camelot kingdom comes tumbling down..WHY BECASE ITS ALL BULLSH*T and does not have weight behind it.

[iceman_1960]

"the south now beats wisconsin as cheese capitol of america...

[various expletives deleted]

...ha,ha,ha.
war, hate, christian creeps, republican snakes...
nothing good comes out of the south!"
Posted by seven-pesos at 05:22 PM : Aug 26, 2007

[libsluvsuvs]

Posted by ApprovedCBS at 12:57 PM : Feb 02, 2008
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hillary and obama would VOTE TO SURRENDER THIS COUNTRY if it would get them votes.

[edward1975-2009]

You wanna lay blame for the war somewhere, lay it on both parties. And most recently, on the Dems, who control Congress and other then whining and complaining, have passed every vote to continue the war. And it will be status quo when the elections are over. No one is gonna change a thing. It will be inept leadership all over again.

[libsluvsuvs]

Posted by Edward1975 at 01:00 PM : Feb 02, 2008
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WANT TO END THE WAR????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

CONSERVE...

[iceman_1960]

Come on, seven-pesos. Don"t hold back. Tell us how you really feel about the South...

"not one southern state will vote for hillary.
the south prefers upstanding, christian , faith professing republicans
and top notch leadership like george bush, jr.
the south would like to find another prez like george bush. jr.
the southern states are considering drafting rush limbaugh to be the republican candidate.
he has all the qualifications...
fat, bigoted, republican, christian, drug user, demogogue.
oh well, that''''s the south for you, folks!"
- Posted by seven-pesos at 05:55 PM : Aug 26, 2007

[lightbeamer7]

We have moved beyond duality. The two hemispheres of the brain are incapable of acting in wisdom without the unifying guidance of the heart. The old polarity consciousness has ended. The ideas of us vs them, in any context, or of me vs you have been replaced, dissolved, into the cosmic unity of live. The heart reemerges with the power of love to balance the human mind. Within this sacred triangle the center of peace is ignited. The relationship of unity, of all beings, is formed and begins it''s rotation in beauty and power.

"The love you take is equal to the love you make."

[terrorislam6]

vermont prefers to live in slavery under retarded radical fascist nazi terrorislamic jihadist slavers and murderers

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! March 23, 1775 Patrick Henry

USA''s PLEDGE 2 THE WORLD GIVEN BY JFK!!

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty." - John F. Kennedy, Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1961

One ought never to turn one''s back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Winston Churchill

"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." Albert Einstein

[libsluvsuvs]

When the World is not Black and White kooks like you fall apart at the seams.



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Posted by curse914 at 01:13 PM : Feb 02, 2008
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i think it was a clinton who was notorious on ''selling'' things to the chinese FOR PERSONAL WEALTH..

at any rate, isnt the DNC who prefers to have a define line between black and white..THEY LIVE OFF IT..racism is a very lucrative venture for the DNC and liberals for a long time now..THEY DONT TO KILL THE GOOSE THAT LAYED THE GOLDEN EGG.

[libsluvsuvs]

The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." Albert Einstein


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Posted by terrorislam6 at 01:24 PM : Feb 02, 2008
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actually liberals did ''do something''....THEY PLACED WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER bumper stickers on thier SUV''s bumpers..they had concerts where they synchronized condemendation of this country..they had ''flag burning'' nights..name it they done it

[patriotic9]

-The Walking-Liar president is unlawful in many constituents'''' eyes. He needs to be accounted for. Start the impeachment process, for the Evil to run away, to give back the country to its constituents.

Posted by grazinggoat at 11:18 AM : Feb 02, 2008

Catostrophy caused by Bush and his fellow Republicans seems to be irreversible.

[patriotic9]

actually liberals did ''''do something''''....THEY PLACED WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER bumper stickers on thier SUV''''s bumpers..they had concerts where they synchronized condemendation of this country..they had ''''flag burning'''' nights..name it they done it

Posted by libsluvsuvs at 01:37 PM : Feb 02, 2008

Why should we get rid of our SUVs for a NON-AMERICAN CAUSE, NON-AMERICAN GOD-CHOSEN PEOPLE and a NON-AMERICAN HOLY LAND far away from any state or territory of United States.

Why shouldn''t we help Arabs in the destruction of Israel to enjoy OIL in cheaper prices?

Why should we protect existance of Israel on Palestinian map, FAR AWAY FROM THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN GERMANY to buy HATRED, TERRORISM and 9/11 against GOD-NEGLECTED AMERICANS and UNHOLY LAND "UNITED STATES"?

Since CHRISTIANITY is PSYCHOSIS and CHRISTIANS are PSYCHOTICS!!!!

[libsluvsuvs]

Catostrophy caused by Bush and his fellow Republicans seems to be irreversible.


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you know what is so patehtic???

you dont even have the balls to follow up your own CONVICTION..from the sounds of what you just said..it seems you already surrendered even on that "impeachment"..THAT IS WHY YOU GUYS ARE LOOSERS

[libsluvsuvs]

Why should we get rid of our SUVs for a NON-AMERICAN CAUSE, NON-AMERICAN GOD-CHOSEN PEOPLE and a NON-AMERICAN HOLY LAND far away from any state or territory of United States.

Why shouldn''''t we help Arabs in the destruction of Israel to enjoy OIL in cheaper prices?

Why should we protect existance of Israel on Palestinian map, FAR AWAY FROM THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN GERMANY to buy HATRED, TERRORISM and 9/11 against GOD-NEGLECTED AMERICANS and UNHOLY LAND "UNITED STATES"?

Since CHRISTIANITY is PSYCHOSIS and CHRISTIANS are PSYCHOTICS!!!!


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Posted by patriotic9 at 01:42 PM : Feb 02, 2008
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hahahahahahhahahahahahah!!!!!!!!! you know you sound like my 13 year old....you come up with every excuse NOT TO DO.."whatever he said he would do"....

you are a looser BECUASE YOU DONT EVEN HAVE THE DESIRE..THE BACKBONE..THE CONVICTION to get what you want...

I hope you aint lazy enough NOT TO WIPE your arse..

[dowjones20k]

Vermont (vomit) is a nutty state .. give them back thier National Guard and then stop Federal payments .. lets see how the broke vermintins like that?

Interesting how folks seem to have a misunderstanding on how the US government works ..

CONGRESS is the legislative body that makes laws & spends money .. NOT the PRSDIDENT .... so I would ask anyone here to explain to me how Obama, Hillary or any other pol espousing that moniker will CHANGE this country?

CHANGE is a lovely buzzword .. but it aint gonna happen with these two hacks .. or any others who are currently in politics ..

Implement term limits and then force pols to avoid the lobby business for 10 years after they have left office ..... and we stop the payoffs that still happen even though the pelosi and all the oter hacks yak about ethics ..

There are no ethical people in politics .. they are power hungry egotistical idiot who care only about themsleves and lining their families pockets ..

PERIOD !!!!

[patriotic9]

you dont even have the balls to follow up your own CONVICTION..from the sounds of what you just said..it seems you already surrendered even on that "impeachment"..THAT IS WHY YOU GUYS ARE LOOSERS

Posted by libsluvsuvs at 01:42 PM : Feb 02, 2008

Miss Jeanine Garofalo warned before Iraq invasion;

"If United States sends her troops in the middle of Arabia, United Sttaes will be doomed. Name of the guy who attacked us on 9/11 is Osama bin laden, not Saddam Hussain".

I respectfully disagree with Miss Rosie O'' Donnel who said;
" Radical Christianity is as dangerous as Radical Islam".

I personally believe that Radical Christianity is a lot worse then Radical Islam as it''s the MOTHER OF ALL EVILS.

If Europeans were not brought into Palestine after WWII to occupy the land of those Palestinians by force, who had nothing to do with the actions of Hitler, because Bible said so, Alqaeda would not get enough recruits to fly planes into buildings since Koran says so.

[libsluvsuvs]

Miss Jeanine Garofalo warned before Iraq invasion;

"If United States sends her troops in the middle of Arabia, United Sttaes will be doomed. Name of the guy who attacked us on 9/11 is Osama bin laden, not Saddam Hussain".

I respectfully disagree with Miss Rosie O'''' Donnel who said;
" Radical Christianity is as dangerous as Radical Islam".

I personally believe that Radical Christianity is a lot worse then Radical Islam as it''''s the MOTHER OF ALL EVILS.

If Europeans were not brought into Palestine after WWII to occupy the land of those Palestinians by force, who had nothing to do with the actions of Hitler, because Bible said so, Alqaeda would not get enough recruits to fly planes into buildings since Koran says so.


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Posted by patriotic9 at 01:49 PM : Feb 02, 2008
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Jeanine Garofalo ?????????????Rosie O'''' Donnel ??????????

oh lord!! you not only are stupid, anti-senmite but naive and gullable..
do you even have any INDEPENDENT THOUGHT or any thoughts or ideas or conspiracy or whatever that WAS NOT SOLD TO YOU BY LIBERAL HOLLYWOOD???

[libsluvsuvs]

patriotic9...can I ask you a question....do you really care about the war in middle east?? or do you really care about terrorism??

here is my take..you are currently engaged in a lifestyle that is pretty much frown upon by christianity (that is why you are so defensive)..AND you are using the current event as a way to get back at it..

I really doubht you care much other than you own personal agenda.. YOU KNOW THAT IS TYPICAL AMONG PEOPLE WHO ARE ROSIE ODONELLY AND GERAFOLO TYPE OF PEOPLE..

[patriotic9]

Another example of Christian Family values, after Larry Craig and Foley Scandal;

MILWAUKEE -- A Roman Catholic nun who pleaded no contest to sexually abusing two Milwaukee boys years ago will spend a year in jail. A judge sentenced Sister Norma Giannini, 79, to one year in jail and nine more years on probation She has 60 days to report to the House of Correction in Milwaukee County.Giannini has admitted to a church panel that she also molested a Chicago boy and at least three other minors.
Court documents show that a psychologist told prosecutors in 2006 that Giannini identified other victims to a Milwaukee archdiocese panel, according to a report in the Chicago Tribune. Prosecutors subpoenaed the psychologist, Elizabeth Piasecki, who read into the record the notes she wrote during an interview in 1996 after abuse allegations emerged.
The notes indicate Giannini discussed molesting three other boys in Milwaukee and one in Chicago, where she worked before and after her stint in Wisconsin.
According to a transcript, Piasecki''s notes indicated Giannini described an incident with a 14-year-old that included kissing and petting.

[fishinfool43]

If anyone is waiting for Bush to clean up his own mess, Hell will be froze over. It''s high time for the states to pull out the National Gaurd. Think about the name "National Gaurd". It says it all in the name. Its pathetic that it will have to be done state by state because we have a spineless piece of *** warmongerfor a president. In my opinion he was using this war to stimulate an economy that he has ****** up along with his other cohorts. Do you seriously think he gives a rats *** how many die from his mistakes. Has our military presence slowed the suicide bombings? Have they even came close to stopping the insurgents. Have the decent Iraqi people(non terrorists) gotten a better quality of life. NO!!
These people have been fighting each other since two camels ****** and it will continue long after our military presence is gone.
Everyone wants lower taxes and more $$$ in their own pockets, but as long as this *** idiot is in office and fueling his war machine at the expense of the American citizens, lives will be lost and everyone will be so poor these little pissant 3rd world countries will be way better off than the good old USA.

As far as what VT is doing, iI say HELL YEAH!!! I support their thought.

[libsluvsuvs]

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and what do you think about a liberalized family values???

[patriotic9]

I care about United States, her interests and her people unlike Conservative Republican Talibans who care about Battle of Armagaddon and 2nd coming of Christ, who are willing to sacrifise GOD-NEGLECTED AMERICAN MONEY, GOD-NEGLECTED AMERICAN LIVES and UNHOLY LAND UNITED STATES for a NON-AMERICAN CAUSE, NON-AMERICAN GOD-CHOSEN PEOPLE and a NON-AMERICAN HOLY LAND. These Christian traitors are the worst enemies of our country and nation. They oppose HOMOSEXUALS'' RIGHT OF MARRIAGE just like OSAMA BEEN FORGOTTEN, they oppose WOMEN''S RIGHT TO CHOOSE ABORTION just like OSAMA BEEN FORGOTTEN, they are against SECULARISM just like OSAMA BEEN FORGOTTEN.

Why shouldn''t we help Arabs in the destruction of ISRAEL to enjoy OIL in cheaper prices?

Why should we protect existance of ISRAEL far away from the CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN GERMANY to buy HATRED, TERRORISM and 9/11 against our nation?

libsluvsuvs
If you really care about terrorism, why do you support Bush in giving our TAX DOLLARS in the name of REBUILDING IRAQ and our WEAPONS in the name of ARMING IRAQI SECURITY FORCES to an IRANIAN BASED ISLAMIC RADICAL "MALIKI" for the killing of our finest men and women in uniform?

Why do you support CHENEY in transferring the HEAD OFFICE and CEO of HALLIBURTON to DUBAI, UAE (A country whose Royal family members were having lunch with OSAMA BEEN FORGOTTEN when SIR CLINTON planned to execute him).

[libsluvsuvs]

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i have seen the kind of sexual items a liberal would like to enjoy..trust me abusing boys and girls is just a teaser...
MY POINT HERE IS..if you dont like christians THEN HELL..you have every right NOT TO LISTEN (what was it that most liberal athiest say?? if you dont like whats on tv turn the channel?) TO IT...

you dont have to justify what you want to do AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT HURT ANYBODY IN THE LONG RUN..

[walt1944-2009]

The Great Emperor Bush II is UNMOVED by attempts by Vermont to have its National Guard return home.

The Great Emperor Bush II does not care if Iraq was, is, or ever will be a threat to the national security of the US(SA). All the Great Emperor wants is that the troops stay there, OFFICIALLY to
fight "terrrrrrrrorists" there, not here, but in reality to protect vital US(SA) interests in the region which is why he is building PERMANENT military bases there (against the will of Congress, but what do they know!). That they will also be protecting BIG OIL interests there is beside the point!

After all, the Great Emperor has the "support" of all the stupidly-loyal neocon Fascist Rupublicans in government and the 25-30% of Fascist citizens out there who believe the Great Emperor is 2nd coming of Christ and has the ability to raise the dead!

SIG HEIL, BUSH!!!!!

[j-whitman]

libsluvsuvs,,,, What about the war in the Middle East ??

You certainly don''t appear to know how to fight & win it afer 4 years in Iraq there is little to no progress & that is in jepordy
-- Afaganistan, the Forgotten War is about to become a Failed State

Our National Guard needs equipment, manpower & training, They can no longer protect our country from an attack.

[libsluvsuvs]

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I think its more of "terrorists" trying to kill us..than Cheney trying to push a christian agenda..STOP BEING STUPID.

[j-whitman]

libsluvsuvs,,,, Maybe if you pray hard enough -- Jesus Saves