Jan. 30, 2008

Obama: Clinton Represents Step Toward Past

In Response, Clinton Decries Tenor Of Obama's Comments

  • Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., addresses supporters during at a rally at the University of Denver in Denver, Colo., on Wednesday, Jan. 30, 2008. Photo

    Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., addresses supporters during at a rally at the University of Denver in Denver, Colo., on Wednesday, Jan. 30, 2008.  (AP)

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(AP)  Democratic Sen. Barack Obama said Wednesday a Hillary Rodham Clinton presidency would be a step back to the past, turning her husband's image of a bridge to the future against her. The former first lady decried the tenor of his comments in an interview with The Associated Press.

"I know it is tempting - after another presidency by a man named George Bush - to simply turn back the clock, and to build a bridge back to the 20th century," the Illinois senator said in Denver.

"... It's not enough to say you'll be ready from Day One - you have to be right from Day One," he added in unmistakable criticisms of Clinton, who often claims she's better prepared to govern, and her husband, who pledged during his own presidency to build a bridge to the 21st century.

Within hours, Hillary Clinton pushed back in an interview with the AP - and got in her own dig.

"That certainly sounds audacious, but not hopeful," said Clinton, in a play on the title of Obama's book, "The Audacity of Hope." "It's not hopeful and it's not what we should be talking about in this campaign," said Clinton, suggesting Obama was abandoning the core of his campaign.

"I would certainly, through you, hope we could get back to talking about the issues, drawing the contrasts that are based in fact that have a connection to the American people," Clinton said.

In his speech, Obama depicted Clinton as a calculating, poll-tested divisive figure who will only inspire greater partisan divisions as she sides with Republicans on issues such as trade, the role of lobbyists in politics and national security. At the same time, he elevated McCain, fresh off victory in Florida's crucial primary, as the likely Republican nominee.

In the AP interview, Clinton vowed to take the high road and warned that voters in the mega-primaries next week expect that.

"I'm going to continue to talk to people about what we need to do in our country to try to lift people up, to keep focused on the future to be very specific about what I want to do as president because I want to be held accountable," said Clinton.

Obama drew more than 10,000 people to his speech at the University of Denver. They packed a hockey arena and crammed into two overflow rooms and still were lined up outside to get in. Colorado is a caucus state, one of 22 to hold nominating contests Tuesday, and is one of a handful of states where the Obama campaign is predicting victory. Clinton has the advantage in several others, while several are still up for grabs.

"Democrats will win in November and build a majority in Congress not by nominating a candidate who will unite the other party against us, but by choosing one who can unite this country around a movement for change," Obama said, speaking as rival John Edwards was pulling out of the race in New Orleans, leaving a Clinton-Obama fight for the Democratic nomination.

"It is time for new leadership that understands the way to win a debate with John McCain or any Republican who is nominated is not by nominating someone who agreed with him on voting for the war in Iraq or who agreed with him in voting to give George Bush the benefit of the doubt on Iran, who agrees with him in embracing the Bush-Cheney policy of not talking to leaders we don't like, who actually differed with him by arguing for exceptions for torture before changing positions when the politics of the moment changed," Obama said.

"We need to offer the American people a clear contrast on national security, and when I am the nominee of the Democratic Party, that is exactly what I will do," he said.

The two rivals fought hard prior to the South Carolina primary, but the tenor has eased a bit since then.

"I've been trying to keep this on a level where the contrasts and comparisons are certainly fair, this is an election after all," said Clinton. "I've been trying very hard to set the right tone, to be focused on bringing the party together, bringing the country together but around specific goals."

Clinton spent her day in Little Rock, before heading to Atlanta for speeches to the Southern Baptist Convention and a major Democratic fundraiser. She took a colorful diversion on the trip to Atlanta, heading down the aisle of her campaign plane serving peach cobbler to reporters and staffers.

"It was fresh this morning," said Clinton. "I love anything peach."

Obama said he understands voters might feel some comfort at the idea of returning to another President Clinton after eight years of Bush. But he cautioned voters not to buy the argument that Clinton's experience is what the country needs.

"It is about the past versus the future," he said. "And when I am the nominee, the Republicans won't be able to make this election about the past.

"If you choose change, you will have a nominee who doesn't just tell people what they want to hear," Obama told them. "Poll-tested positions, calculated answers might be how Washington confronts challenges, but it's not how you overcome those challenges; it's not how you inspire our nation to come together behind a common purpose, and it's not what America needs right now. You need a candidate who will tell you the truth."

Later Wednesday, Obama gave a 10-minute talk by live broadcast to a joint meeting in Atlanta of four historically black Baptist denominations, where Clinton was to appear in person later. These groups produced some of the most prominent civil rights leaders, including the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.. whom Obama quoted.

"Pastors are pushing this movement forward," Obama said of his campaign, "and I need each and every one of you in this fight."

He asked the audience to imagine what it would mean for the country to see him with his hand on the Bible, taking the presidential oath of office.

"Our children will look at themselves differently and their possibilities differently. They'll look at each other differently," he said.

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by rowdytexan2 January 30, 2008 7:39 PM PST
I''d rather take a step to the past with the Clinton''s than a step into the future with you that goes nowhere, street punk!
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by tallafl January 30, 2008 8:06 PM PST
What a Smooth Walkin, dirty Talkin'' man this is. He says he all about being positive and running a positive campaign, yet he does the opposite. Today while he was busy trashing Hillary, she was focusing on HER plan for America''s future. I''ll let the people determine for themselves who''s playing Old-School politics, and who''s ready for REAL Change.
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by realpatriot1 January 30, 2008 8:15 PM PST
"Don''t stop thinking about tomorrow, yesterday''s gone..yesterday''s gone!"
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by andersenme January 30, 2008 8:55 PM PST
Barack Obama''s questioning of the relevance of Hillary Clinton''s type of "experience" in confronting the new challenges the United States faces receives validation from an interesting case in American history.

It also points to why Obama''s outsider status might actually be just what is needed to successfully restore the U.S. to international political creditworthiness.

Lincoln biographer David Herbert Donald showed how what might have been perceived as the Great Emancipator''s serious shortcomings as a war president and commander in chief actually turned out to be some of his greatest assets.

Remember, Lincoln came to the presidency having only meager experience--much less than Sen. Obama''s--in public office, let alone experience in the Executive Branch. (Lincoln''s experience in the military was limited to little more than two months service during the Black Hawk War.)

According to Donald, Lincoln was also fortunately unburdened by convention, precedent, and standard operating procedures in facing war''s challenge. (The parallels with Obama kind of leap from the page, no?)

However, Lincoln was also a quick study who grew into greatness through trial and error in pursuing the most significant of his goals.

Martin Edwin Andersen
Churchton, Maryland
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by gdmoore2 January 30, 2008 9:11 PM PST
Hillary Clinton''s time has arrived. She is more than qualified and experienced, ready to serve from Day 1. The clock will be racing to keep up with Hillary Clinton and her political machine once she is in office. With due respect, Barack is not ready for prime time, yet. With 8 years of experience as Vice President, Barack Obama would make a great successor to Hillary Clinton.

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by tigerjcs January 30, 2008 9:12 PM PST
Obama is whinning when his opponents bashing him. Now, he is too busy bashing Hillary. Hillary is promoting the solutions to the problems that we are currently facing - the economy, the health care, the national security. Obama knows nothing, because he is inexperience. He is too naive about the national security and the economy. He is full of empty talk. We want the prosperous years of the Clinton''s years. The economy and health care problems are not the future problems, they are facing us now. Hillary will be ready to tackle these problems. Hillary will bring the change needed to prosperity. While Obama will bring empty talk of CHANGE to nowhere.
Quit bashing other candidates and show us that you really understand the current issues. All the candidates are presenting their solution or ideas, while Obama is promoting his black race. He is certainly not qualify as a "UNITY" candidate. He is too divisive, too racist and inexperience.
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by papeehara January 30, 2008 9:17 PM PST
THE AUDACITY OF OBAMALOT:

Frightening but true: non of us have a clue about the deeply entrenched Obama alliances to Raila Odinga, the Menyan Islamic Fundamentalist who is responsible for the blood bath in Kenya today and Obama''s half brother, another islamic extremist in Kenya.

".....nothing gives a clearer indication into what drives Obama than his tacit support for the brutal opposition leader Odinga in Kenya.. Aligned with Islamists, Raila Odinga has signed a pact to institute sharia when he takes power after the current bloody coup.

Odinga is a Marxist who reportedly has made a pact with a hard-line Islamic group in Kenya to establish Shariah courts throughout the country.

Curiouser and curiouser is the recent NY Post''s endorsement of Obama: FACT: the disgraced *** MORRIS columnist at the NY POST has a close relationship with OBAMA;s murderous pal Odinga:


"The left wing media has been played by brilliantly by Odinga - this is part of his strategy. *** Morris helped orchestrate that when Odinga hired him. ODM election strategy was overseen by *** Morris

That Obama suports Odinga unequivocally speaks volumes . What a dark glimpse into the soul of Barack Hussein.

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by papeehara January 30, 2008 9:17 PM PST
THE AUDACITY OF OBAMALOT:

Frightening but true: non of us have a clue about the deeply entrenched Obama alliances to Raila Odinga, the Menyan Islamic Fundamentalist who is responsible for the blood bath in Kenya today and Obama''s half brother, another islamic extremist in Kenya.

".....nothing gives a clearer indication into what drives Obama than his tacit support for the brutal opposition leader Odinga in Kenya.. Aligned with Islamists, Raila Odinga has signed a pact to institute sharia when he takes power after the current bloody coup.

Odinga is a Marxist who reportedly has made a pact with a hard-line Islamic group in Kenya to establish Shariah courts throughout the country.

Curiouser and curiouser is the recent NY Post''s endorsement of Obama: FACT: the disgraced *** MORRIS columnist at the NY POST has a close relationship with OBAMA;s murderous pal Odinga:


"The left wing media has been played by brilliantly by Odinga - this is part of his strategy. *** Morris helped orchestrate that when Odinga hired him. ODM election strategy was overseen by *** Morris

That Obama suports Odinga unequivocally speaks volumes . What a dark glimpse into the soul of Barack Hussein.

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by papeehara January 30, 2008 9:18 PM PST
THE AUDACITY OF OBAMALOT:

Frightening but true: non of us have a clue about the deeply entrenched Obama alliances to Raila Odinga, the Menyan Islamic Fundamentalist who is responsible for the blood bath in Kenya today and Obama''s half brother, another islamic extremist in Kenya.

".....nothing gives a clearer indication into what drives Obama than his tacit support for the brutal opposition leader Odinga in Kenya.. Aligned with Islamists, Raila Odinga has signed a pact to institute sharia when he takes power after the current bloody coup.

Odinga is a Marxist who reportedly has made a pact with a hard-line Islamic group in Kenya to establish Shariah courts throughout the country.

Curiouser and curiouser is the recent NY Post''s endorsement of Obama: FACT: the disgraced *** MORRIS columnist at the NY POST has a close relationship with OBAMA;s murderous pal Odinga:


"The left wing media has been played by brilliantly by Odinga - this is part of his strategy. *** Morris helped orchestrate that when Odinga hired him. ODM election strategy was overseen by *** Morris

That Obama suports Odinga unequivocally speaks volumes . What a dark glimpse into the soul of Barack Hussein.

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by papeehara January 30, 2008 9:19 PM PST
THE AUDACITY OF OBAMALOT:

Frightening but true: non of us have a clue about the deeply entrenched Obama alliances to Raila Odinga, the Menyan Islamic Fundamentalist who is responsible for the blood bath in Kenya today and Obama''s half brother, another islamic extremist in Kenya.

".....nothing gives a clearer indication into what drives Obama than his tacit support for the brutal opposition leader Odinga in Kenya.. Aligned with Islamists, Raila Odinga has signed a pact to institute sharia when he takes power after the current bloody coup.

Odinga is a Marxist who reportedly has made a pact with a hard-line Islamic group in Kenya to establish Shariah courts throughout the country.

Curiouser and curiouser is the recent NY Post''s endorsement of Obama: FACT: the disgraced *** MORRIS columnist at the NY POST has a close relationship with OBAMA;s murderous pal Odinga:


"The left wing media has been played by brilliantly by Odinga - this is part of his strategy. *** Morris helped orchestrate that when Odinga hired him. ODM election strategy was overseen by *** Morris

That Obama suports Odinga unequivocally speaks volumes . What a dark glimpse into the soul of Barack Hussein.

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by papeehara January 30, 2008 9:20 PM PST
THE AUDACITY OF OBAMALOT:

Frightening but true: non of us have a clue about the deeply entrenched Obama alliances to Raila Odinga, the Menyan Islamic Fundamentalist who is responsible for the blood bath in Kenya today and Obama''s half brother, another islamic extremist in Kenya.

".....nothing gives a clearer indication into what drives Obama than his tacit support for the brutal opposition leader Odinga in Kenya.. Aligned with Islamists, Raila Odinga has signed a pact to institute sharia when he takes power after the current bloody coup.

Odinga is a Marxist who reportedly has made a pact with a hard-line Islamic group in Kenya to establish Shariah courts throughout the country.

Curiouser and curiouser is the recent NY Post''s endorsement of Obama: FACT: the disgraced *** MORRIS columnist at the NY POST has a close relationship with OBAMA;s murderous pal Odinga:


"The left wing media has been played by brilliantly by Odinga - this is part of his strategy. *** Morris helped orchestrate that when Odinga hired him. ODM election strategy was overseen by *** Morris

That Obama suports Odinga unequivocally speaks volumes . What a dark glimpse into the soul of Barack Hussein.

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by jedi08 January 30, 2008 9:39 PM PST
Billary Cunton is a liar, fake and part of the problem not the solution. She talks about taking on the Republicans instead of unifying. She has so much anger and hate in her because of what Slick Willy did to her for the last 20 plus years she thinks the Presidencey is owed to her.

No one will chose a former first lady over a war hero. that is laughable.

Obama is the Dems only chance now

She has no shot against McCain.
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by agnim January 30, 2008 9:46 PM PST
riskytime

Striving for a united and harmonious nation DOES NOT mean that we do away with the police force, right?

Striving for a united and harmonious nation means that one IS NEVER inclined to draw ''''first blood'''' against fellow citizens.

However, if ''''first blood'''' is drawn by a citizen, then POLICE ACTION may be warranted; because necessary police action IS part of keeping a united and harmonious nation!

After Iowa''''s crushing defeat, the classless Clintons decided to go desert the important national issues and instead decided to go negative and personal on the real ''''front runner''''.

That misbehavior on the part of the Clintons invited carefully targeted ''''police action'''' by the Obama campaign.
Striving for unity and harmony in a nation DOES NOT mean that good citizens just lay down and allow misbehaving citizens to run all over them!

ABCD = Anyone But Clinton Dynasty!

NOT CLINTON THIRD TERM!
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by elsylee28 January 30, 2008 10:25 PM PST
Everyone has to check out the article %u201CWhite Voters with a Side of Hispanics%u201D on the blogzine Savage Politics. This is an awesome discussion and analysis on the current Democrat and GOP candidates and their eligibility.

www.savagepolitics.com
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by jedi08 January 30, 2008 10:47 PM PST
the guy who wrote that article backs Clinton. Typical propaganda and lies
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by cfin5 January 30, 2008 10:51 PM PST
The Hill''n''Bill campaign reminds me of that Ray Stevens song "Guitarzan",.......shaddup baby Ah''m tryin'' ta sang!
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by b-easy63 January 30, 2008 11:06 PM PST
You''''ve got all kinds of people supporting Hilary: the die hard, party faithful, those who were big fans of Bill Clinton, people who want a return to the old days, those who think Hilary represents the best chance, and those who think she is more experienced etc. But somewhere in there--Hilary seems to be making a big mistake.

For those who do not have blind loyalty or are not ruled by party dogma, Hilary''''s actions in Florida and Michigan give them disquiet: What do you think of a person who does not keep their word or honor their committments? What else is she capable of--is there a line she will not cross to win? Will she really do what she promises or are the campaign pledges something else she will dump or ignore if something better comes along? When rules, laws and promises are a matter of convenience and are discarded or ignored when an agenda demands it--NOTHING is sacred. Such a person has NO loyalty to party or the people in it--they will only help you if it furthers themself.

If this is not what Hilary wanted to reveal--she really should have thought of the ramifications of double dealing the DNC--because those who do not drink her koolaide will certainly rethink this.

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by b-easy63 January 30, 2008 11:07 PM PST
Word to the wise papeehara--if you spam us with lots of the same post--you lose any credibility--we can differ and even debate with other bloggers--but we will not waste too much time on mindless, spamming automatons.
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by papeehara January 30, 2008 11:29 PM PST
Word to the wise papeehara--if you spam us with lots of the same post--you lose any credibility--we can differ and even debate with other bloggers--but we will not waste too much time on mindless, spamming automatons.

Posted by b-easy63 at 11:07 PM : Ja

BEFORE YOU ACCUSE ME OF "SPAMMING" I SUGGEST THAT YOU REQUEST MY INPUT. THE REASON WHY MY COMMENTS APPEARED SEVERAL TIMES WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS NO WAY TO CONFIRM THAT MY COMMENT HAD BEEN PUBLISHED AND THERE WAS NO MESSAGE INDICATING THAT MY COMMENT WAS BEING "MODERATED" AND I ASSUMED THAT MY COMMENT WAS NOT PUBLISHED. SORRY THAT I HURT YOUR HIGH BROW FEELINGS!!!

RATHER THAN WASTE OUR TIME WITH YOUR MINDLESS AND PETTY ABOUT AN ASSUMED INFRACTION ON MY PART, YOU SHOULD HAVE RESPONDED TO THE SUBSTANCE OF MY COMMENTS. YOU WERE RIGHT ON THE BALL AT LEAST ONCE...I AM WISE. THANKS FOR THE COMPLIMENT!!!
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by papeehara January 30, 2008 11:33 PM PST
OOPS...CORRECTION TO Y PREVIOUS POST:
I MEANT MINDLESS AND PETTY "SENSITIVITY AND SENSIBILITY"
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by b-easy63 January 30, 2008 11:35 PM PST
Couric: Harry Truman said, "A man not honorable in his marital relations, is not usually honorable in any other." Some voters don''t feel comfortable supporting a candidate who''s not remained faithful to his or her spouse. Can you understand their position?

Biden: Look, this is really dicey territory. Let me say it this way. I think that one''s character, one''s honesty, one''s integrity, is a habit of the mind. I don''t think people can be dishonest in one aspect of their life, and compartmentalize it and be viewed as being honest in other parts of life.

If the tendency is to cut a corner; if the tendency is not to tell the truth; the probability is, that in a moment of crisis, where that person''s interests are at stake, they''re likely revert to the bad tendencies. If the habit of the heart and the habit of the mind is, that whether you''re dealing with promising the parking attendant you''re gonna be back in 20 minutes. Or you''re telling your wife something, or you are going to the nation and making a commitment.

There is -- habits are habits. And they all relate to, seems to me, how an individual values what they say as being important and relevant.

Wonder what this means for who Hilary will d1ck next?
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by b-easy63 January 30, 2008 11:40 PM PST
RATHER THAN WASTE OUR TIME WITH YOUR MINDLESS AND PETTY ABOUT AN ASSUMED INFRACTION ON MY PART, YOU SHOULD HAVE RESPONDED TO THE SUBSTANCE OF MY COMMENTS. YOU WERE RIGHT ON THE BALL AT LEAST ONCE...I AM WISE. THANKS FOR THE COMPLIMENT!!!

Posted by PAPEEHARA at 11:29 PM : Jan 30, 2008


Ahhhh yes. Yet another uncouth and arrogant supporter of Hilary--whose lack of decency, manners, decorum and honor is reflected in the type of people who support her. Word again to the wise: If you take as much time dialoguing as you obviously do trying to see your words in print, you would have known it was being posted repeatedly--there is some understanding for your lack of knowledge--but whereas many who find out they are posting too much, apologize and explain the discrepancy--that is too much to ask from Hilary''s group. They are the neo cons of the Democratic party, --blind, super loyal, apologists for their flawed version of a goddette. Just sheeples with blue dresses instead of red--but still koolaide drinkers and mindless, lockstep automations. LMAO
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by b-easy63 January 30, 2008 11:46 PM PST
RATHER THAN WASTE OUR TIME WITH YOUR MINDLESS AND PETTY ABOUT AN ASSUMED INFRACTION ON MY PART, YOU SHOULD HAVE RESPONDED TO THE SUBSTANCE OF MY COMMENTS.
Posted by PAPEEHARA at 11:29 PM : Jan 30, 2008

Your comments were obviously a type of emotional masturbation. Though your continual spamming indicate you yearn for an audience, the tenor and rant indicate it was all about you and your view of everyone that is not a Hilary lover--that said, understand that masturbation is a singular activity and is best done sans audience. You are new to these boards (its obvious) you appear to also be new to the idea of decorum and discourse, as well. I try not to waste my times with emotional masturbators--participation from others is not what is really needed...LOL Oh yes--and Hilary is a lying opportunist too--great series of attributes being collected by the Hilary crowd--those of us who are not drinking koolaide, may not even notice the blip from the neo con days to the Hilary winning at all cost reich. lmaoay
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by b-easy63 January 31, 2008 12:05 AM PST
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/3
0/opinion/pollpositions/main3769985.shtm
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"The Hart-Mondale contest divided Democratic voters by age and by commitment to the party, much like the Clinton-Obama divide today. Younger voters, better educated voters, and voters who thought of themselves as independents were more likely to support Hart (as they do Obama this year), while older voters, less educated white voters and those who identify as Democrats were more likely to support Mondale (and now Clinton)."

Now why, does this come as absolutely no surprise at all? One would have to be somewhat mentally challenged or lack certain cognitive skills, to not note the discrepancies in Clinton''''s rhetoric and performance and to not see the deviousness of her particular campaign approach. Sort of like the way, we noted that Bush supporters must all hail from La-la land. Who knew that was where Clinton supporters dwelt also? If Clinton wins the election, get ready for 4 more years of la-la land fall out, while the Republicans crow and the Hilary supporters bleat: "who knew". Why, everyone but all of YOU--that''''s who. lmao
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by papeehara January 31, 2008 12:10 AM PST
There is something to be said about informed decision making: more imperative since we are trying to decide on the best presidential candidate. Questioning the premise and veracity of Obama''s policies and ideologies is the first logical step in the decision making process.

Emotional masturbation!!!!!??..coming from a verbose dried up psychological PRUNE that''s just so classic.
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by hillarynow January 31, 2008 1:01 AM PST
At a time when our country is in peril there are far too many risks in electing a struggling newcomer like Obama. There is no time for learning the ropes or rookie mistakes. We need to elect someone who doesn%u2019t have to learn on the job. We need a president who can immediately hit the ground running, and Hillary Clinton can do that. Hillary is ready for realistic change starting on day one, Hillary all the way!
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by b-easy63 January 31, 2008 1:02 AM PST
Emotional masturbation!!!!!??..coming from a verbose dried up psychological PRUNE that''''s just so classic.

Posted by PAPEEHARA at 12:10 AM : Jan 31, 2008

congrats on the improvement. We see you finally learned how to turn the caps lock off, AND stop posting 10 times or more--now if, you finally learn how to behave civilly and combine that with actual intelligent dialogue, someone other than myself, might actually converse with you. Gotta love those Hilary supporters--the neo cons might fade into obscurity, but we''ll have reasonable surrogates in the "ends justify the means mindset" of the new Hitleryites.

Like I posted-- a win for Hilary will be like a continuation of the Bush years--this time with blue tints. Same mentality, different godette. Odds are, you''ll be one of the first ones bleating when ol'' Hil betrays her promises to you. ROTFLMAO
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by b-easy63 January 31, 2008 1:08 AM PST
We need a president who can immediately hit the ground running, and Hillary Clinton can do that.
Posted by HillaryNow at 01:01 AM : Jan 31, 2008


Most of us have no doubt that Hilary can make snap decisions on day one. But the resistance comes from her record. Snap decisions are not necessarily great decisions or even right ones--we submit to you that after 4 years, Bush could claim a lot more experience in the White House than he had in 2000, and we would also submit that he made a bigger mess in the next 3 years than he had in the first 4. Experience in and of itself means nothing. We would also note, that Obama has had 10 years in the Senate which is greater than Hilary''s time in the Senate and that given her not so great votes to give a meglomaniac the option for war, to expand FISA despite the obvious compromise of the FBI and the DOJ, and to endorse torture--Hilary''s experience does not guarantee either rational or prudent thought. As an aside, we should note:

"If time in the Oval office could be counted as validation of a candidate running, Monica could run, as well as Hilary. " One hopes we think beyond the mantle of experience--for without wisdom, "experience" is just a continual series of unrelated events that a person never learned from.
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by b-easy63 January 31, 2008 1:21 AM PST
Well, on the other hand, if Hillary would end up with the Democratic nomination, this dog and pony show might help her then. Who the heck knows what is going to help you or hurt you in politics. The littlest things, like Howard Dean''''''''s yell, can derail you, and the biggest things, like Jennefer Flowers, and no one pays any attention.

Politics is not for sissies!! :o)

Posted by kansas1946 at 08:35 PM : Jan 30, 2008


One other good thing about Hilary''''s "stunt" if she gets the nomination then turns around and ***** her Dems supporters in order to appeal to or court the Republicans--it is not as if she is not being consistent and they should have seen it coming.

Just like the neo cons who now bleat they were hoodwinked by Bush--Dems who blindly follow this person will be shown the same amount of sympathy. There was once a pilgrim marching up a mt, who crossed the path of a venomous snake. The snake asked for the pilgrim to take him to the top of the mt. The man said No, because the snake was poisonous. The pleading and refusal went back and forth, but finally the man picked the snake up and carried him up the mt. When they got to the top, the snake bit the man and as the man lay dying he asked why the snake had done that--after all he did for the snake.

This is what the snake said, as he slithered away: "You knew what I was, when you picked me up" good luck Hilary supporters......LOL
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by croft777 January 31, 2008 1:24 AM PST
b-easy63
Wonder what this means for who Hilary will d1ck next?

Are you talking about yourself again?
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by croft777 January 31, 2008 1:29 AM PST
b-easy63
There is -- habits are habits. And they all relate to, seems to me, how an individual values what they say as being important and relevant.


presidents and leaders who have had extra-marital affairs
John F Kennedy, Franklin D Roosevelt, Martin L. King, Jesse Jackson, John McCain, Rudy Giuliani, Grover Cleveland, Gary Hart, Newt Gingrich, Wendell Wilkie, .....want me to go on....give it a rest, we don''t care what you think.
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by croft777 January 31, 2008 1:36 AM PST
No one will chose a former first lady over a war hero. that is laughable.

Obama is the Dems only chance now

She has no shot against McCain.

jedi08

Your scared, just admitt it. Where have you been shes winning by a long shot, next week Obama will bne crying and kicking like a two year old. Hillary has the best chance of beating the Republican party. Obama has no chance, they rub his face in his own dirt.
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by croft777 January 31, 2008 1:43 AM PST
It seems like all Obama talks about , besides talking about Hillary is this unity thing in the house (Congress) whats he gonna do tell them all to play fair and then have a big group hug in the white house, lol,lol,lol,lol,lol, he''s a joke. Sounds like Bush all over again.
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by croft777 January 31, 2008 1:49 AM PST
Remember, Lincoln came to the presidency having only meager experience--much less than Sen. Obama''''s--in public office, let alone experience in the Executive Branch. (Lincoln''''s experience in the military was limited to little more than two months service during the Black Hawk War.)andersenme

yeah but Lincoln wasn''t a racist. Obama is, I laugh every time I here Obama talking about Uniting this country. Hows he gonna do that when he belongs to the most racist church in the US. They only help the African Americans and their mother country Africa. Unite my ***. There is a racial devide in this country now because of his race card game. Believe as you will, but he started it.
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by jedi08 January 31, 2008 2:37 AM PST
War hero and commandar vs cheated on wife who failed her bar exam the first time she took it.
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by sjbj2322 January 31, 2008 3:20 AM PST
I don''t get it. Obama keeps talking about the past like it was some pariah. It was the past that made it possible for this bi-racial young man raised by a single mother and her parents to get him scholorships that afforded him an education far exceeding what most of our children receive. It was the past that made it possible for him to go on to college, law school, be elected to state office and then national. No, the past was not perfect but it wasn''t as bad as he would like to make it out to have been. The problem is NOW - TODAY. True foresight, knowledge, and experience will provide a leader that can take what has worked in the past and adhere it to the future while doing away or remolding those things that haven''t. This notion that our government is "fundamentally broken" is little more than hype. It needs new focus and a willingness to tackle the job but Obama scares me because everytime you try to pin him down on how he''s going to actually accomplish that, he never has an answer. Its simply not enough to eloquently give rehearsed speeches. What is he going to do when confronted with the really tough questions....UH - Let me get back to you on that!
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by jedi08 January 31, 2008 3:24 AM PST
What is he going to do when he gets a really tough question.

you mean a question like "who does your hair in the morning?" i bet he doesn''t cry at least.
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by eddynewhope January 31, 2008 3:37 AM PST
Croft77 - You have stooped to new Clinton/Rove lows by calling Senator Obama a racist. Your position flies in the face of the truth. Google race and Dem election and see for yourself who cynically used race to TRY to win an election. The Clintons have divided this country in the past, and they are in the process of dividing the Democratic party now. For that reason alone, I will never vote for another 4 years of Clinton/Bush divisive politics.
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by jedi08 January 31, 2008 4:26 AM PST
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by jaykay221 January 31, 2008 5:46 AM PST
We know that Bill and Hillary are going positive at the moment - that is the latest tactic - so Obama needs to go positive too. They are using elements of his message in their talk now. Their position now is different to what it was last week, and who knows what it will be next week. For any of us that have been watching closely, we know there will still be devious stuff going on behind the scenes by the Clinton people, but if their current thing is to act angelic then Obama needs to not let himself be played off against that either. If they are honest about keeping it clean and proper from now on, then Obama can go back on message now.
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by jack3213 January 31, 2008 8:05 AM PST
I see there are several supporters of Clinton, though I do not understand it, I am more annoyed that those supporters are narrow minded thinkers who do not wish to see the truth about her. They do not have a problem seeing the truth in others, yet, their denial of her lack of character and lack of experiance is ridiculous! Clinton is deceiving and the most perfected scam artist there is. She lies about anything to get votes and is certainly not sincere, no amount of tears will convince me. I am sickened by her display of self indulgence and self interest.
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by latina4obama January 31, 2008 9:08 AM PST
OBAMA HAS MY VOTE!
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by latina4obama January 31, 2008 9:12 AM PST
OBAMA SERA MI NUEVO PRESIDENTE!
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by cptdeuce January 31, 2008 9:20 AM PST
All Obamas camapign is negative. It is truly disgusting. Just as his views are coincided with his segregational church, this man has brought the 2008 Presidential Democratic Party to its knees. Shame on Obama for all his negative campaigning. It is saddening that many of his supporters continue to research data, but rather decide based off of celebrity status and the color of his skin. SHAME - SHAME - SHAME.
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by bec67 January 31, 2008 9:36 AM PST
If the story running in the Sun-Times proves to be true, Obama''s connection to Tony Rezko''s shady real estate deals just proves he is not for CHANGE, but politics as usual. Many questions need to answered before the election.
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by voteonpaper January 31, 2008 9:53 AM PST
"I''ve been trying to keep this on a level where the contrasts and comparisons are certainly fair, this is an election after all," said Clinton. "I''ve been trying very hard to set the right tone, to be focused on bringing the party together, bringing the country together but around specific goals."

While Mrs. Clinton''s "tries" have been effective at dividing party and country, her "tries" have done little else. At every turn she demonstrates why she should return to private practice. She is not a person "of the people". In her total of seven years of elected office, Mrs. Clinton has only passed one bill; that being a million dollar monument in upstate NY for Woodstock. As of now, one of McCain''s commercials shows the entire Republican panel of candidates laughing at his conversation over that piece of legislation.

Mr. Obama has served twelve years in elected public office, more than Mrs. Clinton ever has. Since serving as a United States Senator, he has gotten two bills to the President''s desk and signed; one a lobbyist reform bill, the other usaspending.gov, a bipartisan piece with Senator Tom Coburn who will barely speak to Democrats, which illuminates ALL earmark spending and what legislator sponsored it.

While Mrs. Clinton "tries", Mr. Obama takes action.


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by mavric_979 January 31, 2008 10:40 AM PST
Obama please don%u2019t say a work %u201CChange%u201D people are sick of it and any way you can never can never win over John McCain/Romnie. Why do democrats will vote for you? Super Tuesday will tell the truth. I bet you will loose big time and then you will be whining, look at the way you turned back at state of union that%u2019s your real character you are a kid and you need to grow up. You are saying you will get a change in Washington but what change you will get those former 43 presidents couldn''t get. Some of the people may not know how government works but the rest of us know how government works and are tired of your inspirational preaching %u2013 Obama please tell us how you are going to get that change and what changes you are going to get. Unless you say that please shut you mouth and don%u2019t mislead public with your inspirational which buy nothing
NOTE: - This is not a time to fall for inspirational preaching think wise before you vote and your vote counts. We all need a leader who can take us to the future with understanding how to deal with this economy, war, health and on other issues that bush left for this great country. I think he is another Kerrey who said he makes America better by making America better but never said how and this lead to his defeat. Do democrats want to select another looser?
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by mavric_979 January 31, 2008 10:46 AM PST
Obama please don%u2019t say a word%u201CChange%u201D people are sick of it and any way you can never can never win over John McCain/Romnie. Why do democrats will vote for you? Super Tuesday will tell the truth. I bet you will loose big time and then you will be whining, look at the way you turned back at state of union that%u2019s your real character you are a kid and you need to grow up. You are saying you will get a change in Washington but what change you will get those former 43 presidents couldn''t get. Some of the people may not know how government works but the rest of us know how government works and are tired of your inspirational preaching %u2013 Obama please tell us how you are going to get that change and what changes you are going to get. Unless you say that please shut you mouth and don%u2019t mislead public with your inspirational which buy nothing
NOTE: - This is not a time to fall for inspirational preaching think wise before you vote and your vote counts. We all need a leader who can take us to the future with understanding how to deal with this economy, war, health and on other issues that bush left for this great country. I think he is another Kerrey who said he makes America better by making America better but never said how and this lead to his defeat. Do democrats want to select another looser?
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by themagic07 January 31, 2008 1:00 PM PST
Some people are getting fooled by this salesman. This rookie is a phony. Why?
--.what this rookie and REZKO have in common? Muslim%u2019s brother are for life. Blood is sticker than water. You can run but you can not hide.
..refused to say the Pledge of Allegiance. He did not want to offend ISLAM so he refused.
..claims he%u2019s running on his record.. He did not even know how to cast a %u201CYes%u201D or %u201CNo%u201D vote. He voted %u201Cpresent%u201D more than hundred times.
.. had 17 years%u2019 old unpaid outstanding parking tickets. He should spent sometime in jail.
.insisted that his health care provides care to everyone, does he know what universal means?
..a fabulous orator, but we need more than words; we need a doer not a talker
..he says one thing and does another
..will meet with enemies without preconditions
..he said that he was not taking money from the Lobbyists. How about the Rezko connection?
..playing old politics as usual, after he promised hope and change%u2026.
..used to be a drug addict or a pusher?
%u2026inexperienced, lack of accomplishments

Please don%u2019t waste your vote to a salesman! Please be smart.
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by rrcampbell1 January 31, 2008 1:38 PM PST
President John F. Kennedy himself once said:

"Change is the law of life. And those who look only to the past or present are certain to miss the future."

Thanks to Carolyn, Ted and Patrick Kennedy for helping us to look towards the future in their endorsements for Senator Barack Obama for President of the United States.

The scandals of the Clinton administration are the elephant walking in our living rooms during this primary campaign.

We do not want to go back to that kind of intern intrigues and Whitewater.

As Michelle Obama has said: "If you can''t run your own house, you can''t run the White House."

Let''s go for change!
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