Filibuster Threatened Over Wiretap Law

Senate Debates Competing BIlls Overseeing Surveillance Of Americans

(CBS/AP)  Yesterday, Vice President Dick Cheney, in a speech before a conservative think tank, warned that if telecoms were not given immunity for past surveillance, they would hesitant to assist the government in the future, and is vital "to help us prevent another 9/11 down the road."

His comments did not take into account that future cooperation with government intelligence agencies would be contingent upon obtaining legal warrants as provided under the new bill, which would be protected against lawsuits.

"This is entirely appropriate," Cheney said of immunity to the Heritage Foundation.

But Sen. Russell Feingold, D-Wis., who sits on both the Intelligence and Judiciary Committees, said he spent a year and a half studying what happened at the National Security Agency with regards to wiretaps, and comes down strongly against immunity, which he called unjustified.

He said the Intelligence Committee's version of the bill was "flawed."

Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., came down both ways: he said he opposed immunity, saying, "I'm not sure that the telecommunications companies were tending to their knitting as to whether they were getting legal orders from the United States government" as to getting warrants as part of a surveillance program, even many years after the shock of the September 11 attacks.

He said his judgment was based on classified documents which he could not discuss on the Senate floor, but that he "had a problem" with granting immunity.

But Nelson also said, at the end of the day, he would a support a FISA bill even if it did include immunity, hoping that the question of telecom liability for past actions would at least be put under review of the FISA court.

Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama have both expressed support for Dodd's filibuster, as has fellow Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards, who said immunity would "let corporate law-breakers off the hook and hamstring efforts to learn the truth about Mr. Bush's illegal spying program.

"It's time for Senate Democrats to show a little backbone and stand up to George W. Bush and the corporate lobbyists," Edwards said. "The Constitution should not be for sale at any price."

Last week, the ACLU released results of a poll in which it nearly two-thirds of voters (63 percent) favored the government requiring a warrant before wiretapping the conversations U.S. citizens have with people in other countries, even higher than was found last October (61 percent). And 57 percent of voters reject granting immunity for phone companies that may have violated the law, preferring to let courts decide the outcome of any cases.

Meanwhile, the White House relented,after months of resistance, in allowing members of the House Intelligence and Judiciary Committees to see secret documents relating to its warrantless wiretapping program.

The House recently passed its update to the FISA bill, which does not include immunity for telecoms.

The administration had consistently refused to allow House members to see classified documents (including the president's authorization of the program and the administration's correspondence with telecom companies), even after Intelligence Chairman Rep. Silvestre Reyes, D-Tex., and ranking Republican Rep. Pete Hoekstra of Michigan said they could not support immunity without seeing them.

[hhkeller]

The Senators phones and email is already tapped by the White House. The NSA probably has the Courts tapped now too.

[kansas1946]

Well we can see by the Republicans behavior, as usual, they are putting party before country. If any Democratic president was doing, or trying to do, what Bush is doing, stomping all over the constitution, spying are American citizens without warrants, etc., the Republicans would be screaming bloody murder, as they should be. But no, since it is their president, (certainly not anyone else''s) they just go along. Anyone who supports their party over their country is a traitor, and that is exactly how I view any Republican that would support Bush on his unConstitutional grab for power.

[enoughya]

Good for Chris Dodd. It is good to hear we still have some true patriots in power, albeit far too few and far inbetween. Vote all other senators out of office.

[slpdisk]

Thank you senators and congressmen alike who still believe in the U.S. Constitution and are willing to oppose illegal attempts perused by this corrupt administration to create a police state based on lies and fear.

[be_thechange]

Bush has been a control freak since he first robbed the presidency from Gore to play king of the world. His corporate princes love to extract any information on consumer habits to use for their marketing, while Bush''s war-freaks want to erase anyone who isn''t a bible-toting neo-con praying for an apocalypse to justify the years they''ve spent on their knees. But the key to this issue is having control of you and me.
The best way to avoid terrorist attacks is to have the IQ to listen to warnings (such as pre September 11) and act on the intelligence from world experts.

[billof_right]

Get back to basics!
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

[billof_right]

In the news:

Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Tex. . . . . told of one telecom''s CEO who told her, "''I don%u2019t think that I should be put in jeopardy, or my shareholders or consumers, [for being] a patriotic American."

This CEO sounds to me like the kind of person who would pressure a law enforcement officer to let his or her kid off the hook for a drunken driving arrest because, %u201Chis future is at stake, you don%u2019t want to jeopardize a young person%u2019s future for a silly mistake would you?%u201D

Are we a nation of laws or not? Breaking the law is breaking the law. The telecom CEO who broke the law, and his company, knew the law; they are accountable for their actions. Even people who are ignorant of a law they break, are still held accountable for breaking the law in this country last I checked.
Based on the quote above reported by Ms. Bailey, Jack Ruby could have used the same argument about killing Oswald, %u201CI don%u2019t think I should be put in jeopardy for being a patriotic American.%u201D

How sloppy are we going to get in enforcing rule of law? What kind of precedent is being set?

[rudy654-2009]

Posted by downsteamjim at 09:12 PM

Gee, it must be nice to be able to add to other people''s comments like that. How else can you make yourself right? Sheesh!

[fiteit1]

downsteamjim, you brought up Saddam and I just compared Saddam to your hero Bush. Your right the issue is about political points, mine would be that protecting our rights has nothing to do with terrorists. when we lose our rights in the name of terrorism the terrorist win and the Republicans and our president are seeing that they win.

[fiteit1]

Sen. Kit Bond, R-Mo., said the legislation providing immunity to telecoms was to protect them from lawsuits he dubbed "frivolous."

Answer, let the court decide. The truth is they don''t want joe public to know just who was being watched.

[downsteamjim]

To fiteit1: So in your logic there was no difference between FDR, Stalin, and Hitler. I guess Pol Pot was a hero. He was just trying to lower greenhouse emissions by killing a large portion of his population. A little perspective would do you some good.

[downsteamjim]

Here on planet earth, the issue is to make political points. To these people protecting the U.S.Constitution or the U.S. irrelevant.

[fiteit1]

downsteamjim, Bush is as bad as Saddam, Bush calls it patriotism and Saddam called it protecting my tribe. They both killed people (sorry, had them killed), stockpiled weapons of mass destruction (oh, that was just us), spied on there own people, tortured there enemy (we export for torture), hoarded money (Saddam''s was in gold and cash, Bush''s was in energy contracts and Halliburton, banking favors for future trade), invaded a country (Saddam was Kuwait, Bush was Iraq)

I can''t see a difference.

[fiteit1]

Once again the Democrat leadership is working to make the lives of terrorist easier. Posted by downsteamjim

What planet are you on? This is America where freedom and protection of my privacy is equal to life it''s self. There are special courts, warrants, rules and laws that can protect our freedom and privacy and still reduce the terrorist from freely moving money, arms, explosives and communications. Bushism has eroded all Americas rights, privacy and way of life. It is possible to not lose our rights, freedoms and privacy without jeopardizing safety, it just isn''t the current administration that can do it, that has been proven.

[downsteamjim]

Dear McVet: I''m sorry for you that your great heroes like Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, his buddy during the destruction of Poland, Hitler [I guess that''s where you get your constant Seig Hiel from], and Saddam are dead. Next time try to get a decent hero.

[mcvet]

Once again the Democrat leadership is working to make the lives of terrorist easier.


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Posted by downsteamjim at 07:41 PM : Jan 24, 2008
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How''s that? Somehow I don''t see how protecting Corporations against law suits as helping the enemy? Now I know you fascist are tied to your fuhrer and your party''s view of things but you HAVE to be smarter that this... It''s probably the dumbest statement I''ve heard out of one of you bootlickers through all the LIES on top of LIEs told by Sir LIES-A-Lot. Try... try very hard to think for yourself... I know it''s new to you nazi''s but TRY!! Sieg Heil Bush!!

[downsteamjim]

Once again the Democrat leadership is working to make the lives of terrorist easier.

[rowdytexan2]

This article is distorted. We demonize AT&T, but they were only acting under the orders of our government. The telecom companies aren''''t at fault, the federal government is. I agree with granting immunity. The government wiretapping ordinary people without a warrent is clearly a violation of privacy. The government needs to be sued, not Verizon. Make the FBI defend their actions in front of a judge!


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Posted by mcharlton4 at 05:12 PM : Jan 24, 2008

These telecom CEO''s knew what the law was! It''s their job to know the laws. They didn''t abide by them!

[rowdytexan2]

If the telecoms wanted to be patriots, they should''ve required the government to get the warrants like the Constitution says they have to do!!!

They don''t deserve immunity! They have violated the law!

[rowdytexan2]

CBS/AP) Yesterday, Vice President *** Cheney, in a speech before a conservative think tank, warned that if telecoms were not given immunity for past surveillance, they would hesitant to assist the government in the future, and is vital "to help us prevent another 9/11 down the road."

They won''t have to be hesitant!!! Just get a warrant and prove up the case! Takes a judge less than two minutes to sign a warrant!