Jan. 27, 2008

Interrogator Shares Saddam's Confessions

Tells 60 Minutes Former Iraqi Dictator Didn't Expect U.S. Invasion

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    In his first television interview, FBI Agent George Piro tells Scott Pelley how he won the confidence of Saddam Hussein and got the truth out of him in a seven-month interrogation.

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    In his first television interview, FBI Agent George Piro tells Scott Pelley how he won the confidence of Saddam Hussein and got the truth out of him in a seven-month interrogation.

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      George Piro  (CBS)

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      Saddam Hussein, during his trial in Dec. 2006.  (AP Photo/Chris Hondros)

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(CBS)  For a man who drew America into two wars and countless military engagements, we never knew what Saddam Hussein was thinking. But you are going to hear more than has ever been revealed before.

After his capture, Saddam met every day with one man, an American he knew as "Mr. George." George is FBI agent George Piro, who was the front man for a team of FBI and CIA analysts who were trying to answer some of the great mysteries of recent history. What happened to the weapons of mass destruction? Was Saddam in league with al Qaeda? Why did he choose war with the United States?

As correspondent Scott Pelley reports, Piro is the man who came to know Saddam better than anyone, as they sat face to face in a windowless room.



"I purposely put his back against the wall. And then mine against the door, psychologically to tell him that his back was against the wall in the interview room. And that I stood between him and the door, psychologically. Between him whether it's to go back to his cell, freedom, whatever he was projecting to be outside of that door. I was kind of that psychological barrier between him and the door," Piro recalls.

Just weeks after being pulled from a hole in the ground by U.S. Special Forces after a nine-month manhunt, Saddam Hussein was placed in the hands of George Piro.

Piro says he called the former dictator "Mr. Saddam," and that Hussein began to call the agent "Mr. George." "Over time though, in private, it changed to just Saddam and George," Piro remembers.

Asked if Hussein ever knew who Piro really was, the agent says, "No."

Piro is an American success story. Born in Lebanon, his family escaped the civil war there and moved to the States when he was 12. After enlisting in the Air Force, Piro became a policeman in California. He went to night school to earn the college degree required to apply to the FBI. Piro had been an agent only five years at the time, but was chosen for this assignment for his native Arabic and because it was thought Saddam would identify with a young Arab man on his way up.

Piro's first trick was to make himself appear to be much more powerful than he was. "He didn’t know I worked for the FBI, he didn't know I was a field agent," Piro explains.

"If he found out you were a field agent for the FBI, what do you think his reaction would have been?" Pelley asks.

"I think initially he would have been angry. He would feel that I was way beneath him, and would not respond well to the interrogation. Or even to me," Piro says.

"I wonder who did Saddam think you were answering to?" Pelley asks.

"I think he thought, and actually on a couple of occasions talked around the issue that I was directly answering to the president," Piro says.

Piro says Saddam thought "Mr. George" was in direct contact with President Bush, but that in reality he never was.

But Saddam wouldn't have guessed, especially after seeing the charade Piro rehearsed with the guards in the jail. "At times we would rehearse where I would yell out some instructions, and they would literally start running around in panic, trying to accomplish it. And it was all part of our strategy," Piro explains.

Piro says it was all a show for Hussein, and that he established at the very beginning that he was going to be in charge of the dictator.

What did Piro tell Saddam?

"I basically said that I was gonna be responsible for every aspect of his life, and that if he needed anything I was gonna be the person that he needed to talk to," he recalls.

"He would be beholden to you for everything," Pelley remarks.

"Yes," Piro says.

Mr. George controlled the baby wipes that Saddam was fond of. Saddam was a clean freak and he used the wipes to clean his cell and wipe off fresh fruit. Saddam wrote poetry every day, but Mr. George controlled the pen and paper. And in a cell with no windows, Mr. George had the power over day and night.

"We had the guards remove their watches. And the only person that was wearing a watch was me. And it was very evident to him, 'cause I was wearing the largest wristwatch you could imagine. And it was just the act of him asking for the time -- was critical in our plan," Piro says.

"So you controlled time itself," Pelley says.

"Yes," Piro says.

Continued



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by terrorislam6 January 31, 2008 7:27 AM EST
Posted by RexProphet at 12:29 AM : Jan 31, 2008

hahaha

you believe soros paid liars LOL

hahaha

AP Reports ''Bush Lied'' Study Funded by Ultra-leftist George Soros
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/01/23/ap-bush-lied-study-not-revealed-funded-george-soros

bush did tell the truth, choke on it bush haters hahaha

Top Secret: Bush Told the Truth About WMD
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=26457045-1E9E-4795-9D31-0E5B73E74EE9

Foreign Intel Had Identified WMD Sites
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/007528.php

Saddam, Nikita and Virtual Weapons of Mass Destruction:
A Question of Threat Perception and Intelligence Assessment
David B. Rivkin, Jr., and Lee A. Casey
http://www.inthenationalinterest.com/Articles/Vol2Issue23/Vol2iss23RivkinCasey.html

THE SECURITY COUNCIL, 27 JANUARY 2003:
AN UPDATE ON INSPECTION
Executive Chairman of UNMOVIC, Dr. Hans Blix
http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/Bx27.htm
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by sgw01 January 31, 2008 3:10 AM EST
[...and then they took us to an illegal war!]

War was not illegal because it was authorized by Congress, therefore you lied.
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by rowdytexan2 January 31, 2008 1:06 AM EST
Posted by speakinup at 08:13 PM : Jan 30, 2008

Again, Clinton was cautious and did not take us into an illegal war.

BUSH DID! Get it?
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by speakinup January 30, 2008 11:13 PM EST
Rowdy - what the matter - can''t you handle the truth ?

If Bush had lied to get us into a war, why would he not have placed a WMD in Iraq to vindicate himself ?

And, guess what, Clinton made the same remarks BEFORE bush did. But it didn''t make it into Soros'' articles, did it. Gee, I WONDER why ?

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by rowdytexan2 January 30, 2008 10:35 PM EST
Posted by speakinup at 06:36 PM : Jan 30, 2008

As usual the typical republiCON will point their finger at someone else.

President Bush''s regime lied 935 times...and then they took us to an illegal war!

Not the Clintons, not any other politician mislead by their lies, the responsibility for this war lies directly on the Bush administration.
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by speakinup January 30, 2008 9:36 PM EST
yeah Rex, we know all about the Soros funded ''non-profit'' reports that were supposidly ''news'' last week.

You know the 535 references to the Republicans carefully told ''false statements'' which then the far left translated to mean ''lies'' to get us into Iraq.

Funny thing is, Bill and Hillary Clinton weren''t listed as to how many times they said the same things. In FACT, no Democrat was listed. Does that mean they didn''t say these things - nope - it means they weren''t in the ''news''.

Gee, how did that happen.

A little bias reporting by those Soros Puppets maybe ?
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by shingles1 January 30, 2008 4:29 PM EST
Scott Pelley has a major problem with the truth.

It''s simple. We demanded, under threat of force, that the inspectors be let back in. Saddam allowed the inspectors back in. And then because we didn''t believe Saddam was being truthful or that the inspectors would find anything, we invaded. In other words, it was entirely the US''s decision to invade.

This doesn''t mean that Saddam was blameless...after all, if he had clearly complied with his obligations after the 1st Gulf War none of this would have happened. However, Scott Pelley is completely distorting and being dishonest what happened back in 2002/2003.

Scott Pelley has a history of being "creative" with the facts...meaning that you guys, CBS, really need a special Public Editor just to keep Scott Pelley in line. Otherwise his light grasp of the facts is going to really kick you in the bus someday.
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by sandy2497 January 30, 2008 4:09 PM EST
Hubba Hubba. He can interrogate me anytime. Whatever the goverment is paying him, it isn''t enough.
I can see why Saddam Hussein was so taken with him.
I''ve read some of the comments that were made and how this was all propaganda put out by the Bush White House. I want to know one thing, were you in the room during the interrogating? Have you read George Tenete''s book about the CIA? If you think they are lying to cover up something, then why don''t you see if you can''t join up and maybe you can do a much better job than they can. I don''t agree with a lot of things that they do also, but to say that this gentleman is nothing but a Bush spokesman is carrying it a little too far. It didn''t take a rocket scientist is know that Saddem Hussein wouldn''t crawl into bed with Bin Ladden, but I guess there are a few in Washington that aren''t rocket scientists, and we know who they are.
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by janiceke January 30, 2008 3:41 PM EST
How dare Pelley perpetuate the lies of the Bush Administration! At one time 60 Minutes was a respected TV news magazine -- no longer. It makes me sick to think our country has come to this -- invasion of a country that could not harm the US and had nothing to do with 9/11. My fear is that "journalists" like Pelley will repeat the lies enough and continue to be given a public venue so that they will be able to change the perception of the world at large and the truth will be lost for future generations.
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by terrorislam6 January 30, 2008 9:37 AM EST
bush did tell the truth, choke on it bush haters hahaha

Top Secret: Bush Told the Truth About WMD
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=26457045-1E9E-4795-9D31-0E5B73E74EE9

Foreign Intel Had Identified WMD Sites
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/007528.php

Saddam, Nikita and Virtual Weapons of Mass Destruction:
A Question of Threat Perception and Intelligence Assessment
David B. Rivkin, Jr., and Lee A. Casey
http://www.inthenationalinterest.com/Articles/Vol2Issue23/Vol2iss23RivkinCasey.html

THE SECURITY COUNCIL, 27 JANUARY 2003:
AN UPDATE ON INSPECTION
Executive Chairman of UNMOVIC, Dr. Hans Blix
http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/Bx27.htm
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by gslinger3 January 30, 2008 8:05 AM EST
Saddam Hussein is no more! Thank You George W Bush! History especially will thank you!

God Bless America!
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by drgarya January 30, 2008 4:45 AM EST
As usual, CBS keeps us in the dark about the central part of this story: Saddam Hussein told the truth about his long-gone WMD''s, and Bush decided to wage war, anyhow.

Here''s a great dissection of CBS''s nonsense, from the award-winning, non-compromised journalist, Robert Parry:

CBS Falsifies Iraq War History

By Robert Parry
January 28, 2008

There%u2019s a cynical old saying that the victors write the history. CBS%u2019s %u201C60 Minutes%u201D demonstrated how that process works on Jan. 27 in airing Scott Pelley%u2019s interview with the FBI agent who de-briefed former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.


In a world of objective reality, a reporter might say that the United States launched an unprovoked invasion of Iraq on March 19, 2003, under the false pretense that Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction, even after Iraq had repeatedly %u2013 and accurately %u2013 announced that its WMD had been destroyed in the 1990s.

On Dec. 7, 2002, Iraq even sent to the United Nations a 12,000-page declaration explaining how its WMD stockpiles had been eliminated. In fall 2002, Hussein%u2019s government also allowed teams of U.N. inspectors into Iraq and gave them free rein to examine any site of their choosing ...

See the rest of Robert Parry''s demolition of "60 Minutes" nonsense at: http://www.consortiumnews.com/2008/012808.html
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by judyschroede January 30, 2008 3:13 AM EST
It''s fascinating that even 60 Minutes could jump so far off track in what was otherwise a great interview. Mr Piro was candid and straightforward, strengths that served him well even as those strengths attracted Saddam into a trap. However, such strength also refutes blind, ideological biases - like Pelley''s and George Bush''s - which will ignore or distort the facts in order to defend an unprovoked war (Iraq), and torture. These Bush policies cannot be justified by your revision of history! Shame on you.
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by robertjearle January 30, 2008 1:54 AM EST
nostinkinid- it''s your brain that''s an orwellian nightmare. Thank God you are an impotent ranter and have no power. Saddam said he had them, then that he didn''t, etc. He screwed around with the inspectors, kicked them out, and made a thorough inspection impossible. If he had just done what he agreed to do in the treaty at the end of the first war, he''d still be alive and in power. Too bad.
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by stddating January 30, 2008 12:12 AM EST
People can say repeatedly that people lied but I looked at that website about the Administration lying and found out something really wild those "nonprofit" Journalists were "paid" to bring these allegations and their points to the forefront!! Journalists have ethics and anytime that a story is "paid" for it is not considered to be ethical journalism...

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by stddating January 30, 2008 12:04 AM EST
We must clearly purge the intelligence processing, this is what happened to Germany ... England undermined their intelligence systems, in particular the Abwehr agency structures.

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by samael2014 January 29, 2008 11:30 PM EST
(CBS) For a man who drew America into two wars and countless military engagements, we never knew what Saddam Hussein was thinking. But you are going to hear more than has ever been revealed before.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE. GEORGE W. BUSH DREW AMERICA TO INVADE IRAQ... THIS IS THE FREAKING LYING AMERICAN PRESS AT ITS FINEST. YOU BIG FREAKING LIEING SACKS OF $HIT AT CBS HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO INTEGRITY WHATSO''*** EVER AND NO PLACE IN OUR DEMOCRACY. AND THEY HAVE NO SHAME IN DOCUMENTING THIS FOR EVERYONE TO SEE.
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by pensacola88 January 29, 2008 11:24 PM EST
Secretary of State Condelezza Rice failed us.
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by rowdytexan2 January 29, 2008 11:08 PM EST
Posted by deemsnyd at 12:36 PM : Jan 29, 2008

We have approximately 160,000 soldiers that have covered that country from one piece of sand to another. They have not found one single shred of evidence that there were WMD''s, and maybe one place where they might possibly have been making biological weapons. Plus, don''t you think an Iraqi somewhere wouldn''t have come out by now and pointed to exactly where they were??? Our government would''ve paid MEGA bucks to anybody that could show them such evidence of WMD''s.

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