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    • Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., left, speaks as Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y. listens during a Democratic presidential debate in Las Vegas, Tuesday, Jan. 15, 2008. Photo

      Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., left, speaks as Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y. listens during a Democratic presidential debate in Las Vegas, Tuesday, Jan. 15, 2008.  (AP)

    • Democratic presidential hopefuls, from left, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., and former Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., stand before the audience before a Democratic presidential debate in Las Vegas, Tuesday, Jan. 15, 2008. Photo

      Democratic presidential hopefuls, from left, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., and former Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., stand before the audience before a Democratic presidential debate in Las Vegas, Tuesday, Jan. 15, 2008.  (AP)

    • Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., answers a question during a Democratic presidential debate in Las Vegas, Tuesday, Jan. 15, 2008. Photo

      Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., answers a question during a Democratic presidential debate in Las Vegas, Tuesday, Jan. 15, 2008.  (AP)

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(AP)  Democratic presidential rivals Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama blamed aides and campaign surrogates Tuesday night for fueling a campaign controversy over race, jointly pledging on the birthday of Martin Luther King Jr. to put the matter behind them.

At a debate in which the two sparred almost cordially, Obama suggested Clinton had taken a page from President Bush's political playbook with an earlier statement that the next president could expect to be tested quickly by terrorists.

"When Senator Clinton uses the specter of a terrorist attack with a new prime minister during a campaign, I think that is part and parcel with what we've seen, the use of the fear of terrorism in scoring political points, and I think that's a mistake," he said.

Asked by NBC's Tim Russert whether she had meant to say terrorists would test Obama more than her, she replied, "No, of course not," before adding, "it matters who's president."

Clinton, Obama and former Sen. John Edwards, the only white man among the candidates on stage, settled in for their debate as the former first lady won a meaningless Michigan presidential primary, a contest held in violation of party rules.

The debate also unfolded four days before the party-sanctioned Nevada caucuses, the next for-keeps contest in the wide-open race for the party's presidential nomination.

Race dominated the debate at the outset, after several days of back-and-forth that left many Democrats worried about an adverse impact on the party's prospects for the general election.

Obama said "not only in hindsight, but going forward," he regretted that his staff had prodded reporters to pursue the issue.

"Our supporters, our staff, get overzealous. They start saying things that I would not say," added the most viable black candidate in history.

"We both have exuberant and sometimes uncontrollable supporters," Clinton said in the opening moments of a two-hour, round-table debate televised on MSNBC. "We need to get this campaign where it should be," said the former first lady, seeking to become the first woman to occupy the White House.

She said comments by black businessman Robert Johnson over the weekend were inappropriate, but sidestepped when asked whether she would bar him from playing a role in her campaign. Johnson made an evident reference to Obama's youthful drug use - although he denied that was his intent.

Obama won the kickoff Iowa caucuses less than two weeks ago, and Clinton countered with an upset victory last Tuesday in the New Hampshire primary. Edwards is winless. After Nevada, the South Carolina Democratic primary is Jan. 26, then the campaign explodes with nearly two dozen contests on Feb. 5.

There was a political reason for the pleasantries, underscored when Edwards was asked whether he and Obama had teamed up to attack Clinton in a debate just before the New Hampshire primary.

"I don't think it was that way," he said. "My job as a candidate for president is to speak the truth as I see it."

Clinton won the primary in an upset three days after the debate, carried to victory over Obama by an unexpectedly large turnout by women voters.

At the same time, there were limits to the comraderie, and Clinton, in particular, took several opportunities to challenge her rivals.

Asked whether Edwards and Obama were prepared to sit in the White House, she said "that's what the voters have to decide."

Later, Clinton asked Obama to back her legislation to prevent Bush from unilaterally extending the United States' presence in Iraq beyond the end of his term next January.

"I think we can work on this, Hillary," he replied.

On an issue of particular interest in Nevada, the former first lady stressed her opposition to a plan to develop a nuclear waste repository at Yucca Mountain in the state. She said Obama's campaign drew financial support from a company that favors the project, and in a rare campaign jab at Edwards, said he had twice voted for it.

Obama countered, saying that even though his home state of Illinois has more nuclear power plants than any other, his opposition to the controversial project was unequivocal.

Edwards said he had changed his mind on the issue, citing new scientific evidence about its risks.

Edwards, given a chance to question his rivals, pointed out the huge sums that Clinton and Obama have raised from drug and insurance companies. "Do you think these people expect something or are they just interested in good government?" he asked.

Obama quickly replied that he did not accept donations from federal lobbyists or political action committees, and Edwards just as quickly pointed out that applied to him as well.

All three also agreed they would not seek creation of a national gun registry, a shift in position for Clinton.

The Michigan primary was an election in name only, where Clinton was the only major candidate entered. She faced competition principally from the "uncommitted" line on the ballot, an option that some supporters of Edwards and Obama advocated to embarrass her.

Returns from 87 percent of the state's precincts showed her with 56 percent of the vote, and uncommitted gaining about 39 percent.

Pre-caucus polls in Nevada make it a close race among the three, an event spiced by a lawsuit filed by several Clinton supporters hoping to challenge the ground rules.

Their objective was to prevent several caucuses along the Las Vegas Strip, where thousands of Culinary Workers Union employees - many of them Hispanic or black - hold jobs.

The rules were approved in May, when Clinton was the overwhelming national front-runner in the race. But the union voted to endorse Obama last week, and the lawsuit followed.

Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich had hoped to have a seat at the table, but the Nevada Supreme Court ruled shortly before the debate began that MSNBC was legally entitled to prevent him from participating. It promptly did.

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by missmiiimi January 15, 2008 4:14 PM PST
this article forgets to mention that they had previously invited kucinich to join in the debate.
And less than 48 hours later decided to Un-invite him.

Do you think the corporate media has a role here in why he ranked so low in NH and Iowa?

YES...because both decided to EXCLUDE Kucinich from their debates...
why?
maybe because he has NEVER taken corporate donations!

LET DENNIS BE HEARD!
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by katg21 January 15, 2008 10:25 PM PST
Hillary has won Michigan by LANDSLIDE against those who are "uncommitted" to that State.... Congrats, Hill.... :)Posted by metroduck75

She won because there wasn''t anyone else on the ticket. POP...there goes your bubble. Dems will regret *** with Michigan, it''ll go red all the way.
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by katg21 January 15, 2008 10:30 PM PST
UserVerified,

Good post. Bill Clinton thanks God every day for the dot-com boom of the 90''s, had nothing to do with him but he took the credit for the boom anyway. Everyone also forgets that he was responsible for it''s demise.
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by taotxzen January 15, 2008 10:40 PM PST
Hillary Rove??

Swift Boat 101:

Attack your opponent%u2019s greatest strength.

Appear to remain above the fray while your supporters, Slick and Rev. Billionaire, sling mud at your opponent.

Use inaccurate charges to get your opponent off message and on the defensive addressing baseless allegations.

Dij` vu
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by tbweb January 15, 2008 11:18 PM PST
Sen. Obama has attracted a lot of newer, younger Voters to the Democratic Party, many who never participated in the political process before. Sen. Obama has also attracted many Republicans and Independents who have crossed party lines to support his candidacy. Sen. Obama is the future of the Democratic Party and is spurring its growth! Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama must find a way to join forces, joining the old with the new. Both Senators are vitally important to the Democratic Party and must find a way to reconcile their differences and get on the same page! It would be a big mistake to support one at the expense of the other, both are needed.
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by sgtrds January 15, 2008 11:33 PM PST
This whole supposed race/gender fight was dreamed up by the media. Some networks took some comments out of context because it made for a more exciting story. Once that happened the other networks covered the candidates denying there was a problem (which there was not) and now the story has run it''s course. Much ado about nothing.
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by samthetvcat January 15, 2008 11:36 PM PST
"Later, Clinton asked Obama to back her legislation to prevent President Bush from unilaterally extending the United States'' presence in Iraq beyond the end of his term next January."

? I''m confused - shouldn''t an incoming President herself have the power as Commander in Chief to decide how long the US will stay in Iraq ?

PS In the spirit of mending bridges, please note that I''ve made an effort not to say anything critical about anybody''s character - I''m just not sure about the extent of an outgoing President''s power to extend into the incoming Presidents''. Thx :)
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by nearl4511 January 15, 2008 11:38 PM PST
The networks are all about sensationalism.

As expected....This is what the candidates had to do because this type of riff is bad for the overall Party.

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by lawyertom1 January 15, 2008 11:41 PM PST
I am glad to see that this issue is being put to bed. They were both right. The nation needed the inspiration and dogged determination of MLK to make the public aware of the monstrous inequities that needed to be addressed. The nation also needed the flawed LBJ, master of Hill politics [especially a Senate controlled by the deep south senators], to force through legislation that attacked and to a large degree corrected the inequities imposed by law, custom, and practice in the South [and which we all now realize has existed elsewhere]. This is one episode of American history that I am proud to talk to my kids about, and to compare the radical differences that existed then and now. It is far from perfect, but it is a much, much better than it was. Amen.
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by nearl4511 January 15, 2008 11:41 PM PST
By the way, the divide and conquer scheme is what Newt Gingrich has in mind when he promotes a "change" agenda for the President to read in the SOTU address.

His change issues are ALL divisive...and mostly divide the Democratic Party.

Not the kind of change this country needs, I''m afraid.
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by nearl4511 January 15, 2008 11:44 PM PST
And what harm would it have been to have Dennis Kucinich in this debate?

I know the fellow has no chance but what real difference in views exist between the top three? Not a hill of beans.
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by buddhabman January 15, 2008 11:52 PM PST
LawyerTom1 - Well Said!
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by tbweb January 16, 2008 12:12 AM PST
Senator Obama is funny in many ways, he is like an unexpected pregnancy! A future that has come too soon for comfort, maybe even before its time and the old hands in the Democratic Party don''t know what to do with this upstart! LOL I think Senator Obama jumped out there a little too soon, but even still, this experience will serve him and the Democratic Party well and prepare him for future battles. Sen. Obama would be wise not to underestimate the Baby Boomers though, the Boomers still have one good run left in them and have a lot of tricks up their sleeves and know how to win! :)
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by cfin5 January 16, 2008 12:18 AM PST
Eh, whatever,....Headlines next week will probably show them pretending to smooch up on the drug issue the Clinton''s keep gouging on. I don''t like Obama either, but I think he laid his cards down alright on that. Those two kinda remind of of the old "Eye Spy" cartoon books I used to read as a kid,.....no pun intended.
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by andersenme January 16, 2008 12:22 AM PST
Post-debate update:

Before the debate another Democratic candidate got all spun up trying to drive a wedge between Barack Obama''s inspirational message and politics of hope and the examples of JFK and Martin Luther King.

However, Obama''s efforts yesterday and the day before to bind up the wounds of a bitterly divided Democratic Party actually bring to mind the example of another American icon: Abraham Lincoln.

Today Hillary tried her own brand of the politics of fear by suggesting that she, by dint of her purported "experience," was the safest bet on the Las Vegas stage to confront Queda.

However, Lincoln biographer David Herbert Donald showed how what might have been perceived as the Great Emancipator''s serious shortcomings as a war president and commander in chief actually turned out to be some of his greatest assets.

Remember, Lincoln came to the presidency having only meager experience--much less than Sen. Obama''s--in public office, let alone experience in the Executive Branch or in the military.

According to Donald, Lincoln was also fortunately unburdened by convention, precedent, and standard operating procedures in facing war''s challenge. He was also a quick study who grew into greatness through trial and error in pursuing the most significant of his goals.

Martin Edwin Andersen
Churchton, Maryland
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by cfin5 January 16, 2008 12:26 AM PST
Sorry,.....I meant "SPY vs. SPY" cartoons. It''s late, gotta hit it.
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by sgtrds January 16, 2008 12:36 AM PST
LawyerTom1 - Well Said!

Posted by buddhabman at 11:52 PM : Jan 15, 2008

I agree. Let''s put this phony tabloid story behind us and deal with real issues only. Leave the backbiting, backstabbing and swift-boating lies to the republicans.
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by feelfree1 January 16, 2008 12:41 AM PST

Too bad MSNBC excluded the only qualified Democrat from the debate, Dennis Kucinich.
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by sgtrds January 16, 2008 12:49 AM PST
Too bad MSNBC excluded the only qualified Democrat from the debate, Dennis Kucinich.

Posted by FeelFree1 at 12:41 AM : Jan 16, 2008

I like Dennis too, but his candidacy is in the same place as Ron Paul''s, dead.
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by l00ker January 16, 2008 12:57 AM PST
Whether the Dems want to except the facts of it all, Barack came out the better, although Hillary made nice and did good; and Edwards, he did good. But, if Hillary is the nominee, the Dems are done. Why are the Republicans so hard on Romney? He''s a good man.
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by agnim January 16, 2008 1:01 AM PST
Economics 101

Understanding how the self-absorbed and self-destructive Clintons helped to build and then initiate the destruction of the US economy to this day.

1. Every intelligent mind should know by now that THE UNPROVOKED & ARROGANT BUSH WAR IS THE MAJOR CAUSE OF THE PRESENT DESTRUCTION OF THE US ECONOMY?

2. The huge depletion of the US treasury gives rise to inflationary pressures, weakening of the dollar and a huge loss of confidence in the fundamentals of the US economy by business people THE WORLD OVER.

3. Every alert American must have known that bush wasn''t qualified to lead the nation, and that Al Gore would have continued the successful economic policies of his and the Clintons'' administration.

4. So why were the American people so careless and mindless in allowing the bungling bush over Gore?

5. The American people allowed the bungling bush over Gore because they were disgusted by the Clintons misbehavior, which fouled the White House, destroyed what marriage they had and undermine the US Presidency.

6. That self-destructive behavior by the self-absorbed Clintons was what initiated the undermining of the US Presidency and allowed the bungling bush to get a chance to mindlessly wage a foolish, UNPROVOKED war that subsequently empty the national treasury and destroyed the US economy.

7. Only the most ASLEEP/careless Americans would want/wander into another round of the Clinton destructiveness. NO CLINTON THIRD TERM! END THE SELF-DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA!
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by l00ker January 16, 2008 1:05 AM PST
I concur...
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by samthetvcat January 16, 2008 1:08 AM PST
Did some of the posts just get erased?
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by samthetvcat January 16, 2008 1:16 AM PST
* * * Testing to see if this post gets erased * * *

"At the same time, there were limits to the comraderie, and Clinton, in particular, took several opportunities to challenge her rivals."

Typical! :D

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by brianbwb-2009 January 16, 2008 1:48 AM PST
"Every alert American must have known that bush wasn''''t qualified to lead the nation, and that Al Gore would have continued the successful economic policies of his and the Clintons'''' administration..." Posted by Agnim

Careful on that one, Agnim, think for a moment, why would someone spend millions of dollars on a campaign which he won, then surrender to the loser? After all that money, all he need was to put his signature on the complaints of "Black" representatives, calling for investigations of vote fraud, just his signature on a piece of paper. Gore always struck me as a "reluctant politician", only in it because his father set it up for him, bit there is something more underhanded going on here.

I believe that Gore and the Clintons knew what was coming, including the 9/11 false flag event, they knew that forces more powerful than the president had this mess already planned, and he knew that if he tried to do anything about it, he would find a lot of trouble, even possibly death, so if it was to happen anyway, he didn''t want the blood on his hands.

Now Hillary speaks as if she supports Bush''s insanity, and will continue it, there must be some foulness behind it...
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by brianbwb-2009 January 16, 2008 1:55 AM PST
"6. That self-destructive behavior by the self-absorbed Clintons was what initiated the undermining of the US Presidency..." Posted by Agnim

You must be a young person.

Again, one has to go back much farther than the Clintons to see the undermining, even before Nixon used his office to cause burglary, and cover ups of crimes. Even farther than Johnson, who probably Killed Kennedy so the war machine could continue the misadventures in sout east Asia.

The fact that US senator Prescott Bush was selling fuel to the Germans during WW2 is an indication of government corruption even then, but the tactics used to goad Japan into attacking Pearl Harbor, thus providing the excuse to enter WW2, show that the president''s office was compromised even then.
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by samthetvcat January 16, 2008 1:57 AM PST
I''m listening to the debate - did Hillary just rationalize a bankruptcy vote she made by saying she was happy the bill she voted FOR didn''t get passed?

I do agree that administration is a strong component of leadership, but I also agree with Obama that it''s one that can be delegated.

The problem with somebody who doesn''t have accurate judgment is that they don''t really have the judgment to realize their judgment isn''t accurate. Thus you don''t really see ppl ever hiring somebody to compensate for their lack of accurate judgment.

You know whether somebody has accurate judgment by looking at their record of predicting the consequences of their actions and of making the ''right'' choice for any given situation (if one exists).
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by samthetvcat January 16, 2008 1:58 AM PST
PS Or else they realize that they don''t have great judgment and then hire ppl who are just like them rather than hiring ppl who compensate for their weaknesses.

An example of this would be Bush hiring Cheney and Rove :o
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by brianbwb-2009 January 16, 2008 1:59 AM PST
Too bad MSNBC excluded the only qualified Democrat from the debate, Dennis Kucinich.
Posted by FeelFree1

Dennis is better off where he is, from his perch he can continue to call for impeachment, and if it finally happens, he will get the credit. A grateful America would easily give him two terms.

But as president, he would be controlled by the same people controlling the current one, (Bechtel, Halliburton) Raytheon, General electric, etc.) and would himself be forced to participate in impeachable offenses and treasons.
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by samthetvcat January 16, 2008 2:07 AM PST
"Later, Clinton asked Obama to back her legislation to prevent President Bush from unilaterally extending the United States'' presence in Iraq beyond the end of his term next January."

? I''m confused - shouldn''''t an incoming President herself have the power as Commander in Chief to decide how long the US will stay in Iraq ?

PS In the spirit of mending bridges, please note that I''ve made an effort not to say anything critical about anybody''''s character - I''m just not sure about the extent of an outgoing President''s power to extend into the incoming Presidents''. Thx :)"

Posted by SamTheTVCat

Sorry I''m quoting myself - lol. Obama just answered my question, and didn''t VERY NICELY. He validated Hillary''s sentiment, added how undemocratic Bush''s attempt to pass an executive order would be, then pledged that in his first days in office he would get to work on devising a plan to get the troops out responsibly.

I guess Hillary''s acting on the assumption that a Republican will win the Presidency (?) Which also wouldn''t matter if McCain were to win . . .

?
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by brianbwb-2009 January 16, 2008 2:12 AM PST
"I''''m listening to the debate - did Hillary just rationalize a bankruptcy vote she made by saying she was happy the bill she voted FOR didn''''t get passed?" Posted by SamTheTVCat

"It happens a lot in DC, part of the corruption is the trading of votes as favors, "you vote for my bill, and I owe you one". Later the IOU is called in, and she votes opposite her true wish, while silently hoping the bill still won''t pass, even calling in a few IOUs of her own to make sure it doesn''t pass, then the IOU is null and void, but the bad stuff still didn''t happen."

I can understand her statement in the context of the corruption that is DC, the fact that she is so deep into it that she sees it as "the normal way it works here" is the sad part, but all the others on both "sides" also see it this way. This is why we are in danger of imminent collapse, the politicians simply cannot comprehend any other way.
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by feelfree1 January 16, 2008 2:16 AM PST

SgtRDS,

Re: "I like Dennis too, but his candidacy is in the same place as Ron Paul''s, dead."

I disagree. They are not dead until they quit, in my opinion.

Congressman Kucinich represents my views as well as any other politician, and he IS managing to get those views heard on a national level.

That is a major victory for me, and much more significant and meaningful than whether AIPAC-loving-Obama or Killary end up being crowned as pilot of the sinking empire.
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by samthetvcat January 16, 2008 2:21 AM PST
"I can understand her statement in the context of the corruption that is DC, the fact that she is so deep into it that she sees it as "the normal way it works here" is the sad part, but all the others on both "sides" also see it this way. This is why we are in danger of imminent collapse, the politicians simply cannot comprehend any other way."
Posted by brianbwb

Oh wow, yeah I could see that! She is really good at that game - no matter what hole she finds herself in, there''s always some astoundingly powerful ppl she is able to get to come out and rally on her behalf at a moment''s notice. But yeah, you have to figure it all comes at a price. Like what is Rupert Murdoch expecting from Hillary in return for his endorsement? And why is she offering heating oil subsidies as part of her $70billion stimulus package when the money will go straight into the pockets of big oil and the Saudis?

The stakes in this ''gameplay'' are just mind-boggling! Hillary claims the system can''t be changed but the fact that Barack was able to pass ethics reform legislation gives me hope. It''s something, even if lobbyists can still eat standing up . . . incidentally Hillary was apparently only 1 of 10 ppl who voted against the ethics reforms . . .
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by brianbwb-2009 January 16, 2008 2:22 AM PST
"I''m confused - shouldn''t an incoming President herself have the power as Commander in Chief to decide how long the US will stay in Iraq ?" Posted by SamTheTVCat

Something deeper going on here, Sam, let me translate,

Clinton; "As President, I am going to let Bush walk away scott free from any responsibility for his crimes and treasons, and I won''t even work for his impeachment. If you back me, Mr. Obama, you can be vice president, I''ll break you off a piece of the action, and we will both be richer than you can imagine"

Obama; "OK, but bear in mind, I do have quite a vivid imagination..."
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by brianbwb-2009 January 16, 2008 2:26 AM PST
"Like what is Rupert Murdoch expecting from Hillary in return for his endorsement?" Posted by SamTheTVCat

Don''t forget, we''re going digital soon, and all that analog bandwidth, worth billions, if not trillions will be up for grabs...

"And why is she offering heating oil subsidies as part of her $70billion stimulus package when the money will go straight into the pockets of big oil and the Saudis?" Posted by SamTheTVCat

Does the "finder''s fee" of 3.5% and a bonus commission of x-million sound good to you?
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by samthetvcat January 16, 2008 2:29 AM PST
"Something deeper going on here, Sam, let me translate,

Clinton; "As President, I am going to let Bush walk away scott free from any responsibility for his crimes and treasons, and I won''''t even work for his impeachment. If you back me, Mr. Obama, you can be vice president, I''''ll break you off a piece of the action, and we will both be richer than you can imagine"

Obama; "OK, but bear in mind, I do have quite a vivid imagination..." "
Posted by brianbwb

LOL omg that''s spot on with Hillary . . . I feel like Obama''s been in the Senate long enough to learn some ropes, make some important contacts, and do some good without being corrupted :)
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by samthetvcat January 16, 2008 2:45 AM PST
You know what, Hillary''s talking about gun control and there''s a HUGE difference in her when she''s GENUINELY passionate about a cause. HUGE. She really cares about gun control - I think she''s passionate about the ''home and hearth'' issues like most of us women are (crime, healthcare, education), I don''t get the sense that she''s all that jazzed about confronting terrorists.

Also, it''s refreshing to see her stop talking with the general election in mind . . . up to now she''s debated as if she''s already running against the Republicans.

I wasn''t really sure she was capable of being ''herself'' while campaigning but yeah, maybe having that win in NH has calmed her down a little bit . . .

Still got a big problem with her political gamesmanship and stuff, but she''s okay . . .
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by alphaa10-2009 January 16, 2008 2:45 AM PST
brianbwb-- I share your concerns about any candidate who so freely channels money from the very people who have been among the worst enemies of a national healthcare plan. This, unfortunately, applies to both Clinton and Obama.

The idea of Clinton and Obama "splitting the action" is not out of the realm of possibility, but Obama boosters want change, not more Clinton machine politics. They have not forgotten the drug references from two "misguided cannons" of Clinton-- one to make the remark, the other to remake it, in apologizing.

I looked carefully at Obama for a while, but remember he pointedly skipped the Senate vote to allow American seniors to purchase drugs over the border from Canada. It later was revealed Obama is getting money from some pharmaceuticals. The Senate vote failed by only a few.

I am more interested in Edwards-- he was the first to introduce a comprehensive, thorough approach to national healthcare, a plan which appears to have been a while in formulation (always a good sign). Edwards also has the most substantial understanding and policy address of all to the contributing causes of American poverty.

As the only seasoned attorney among the candidates, Edwards is at least as conversant as Clinton with the politics of who gets what in Washington-- and why.

Rep. Kucinich has been a strong voice for reform, as well.
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by samthetvcat January 16, 2008 3:03 AM PST
OMG Chris Matthews is hillarious! What time is his show on? LOL
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by brianbwb-2009 January 16, 2008 3:07 AM PST
I feel like Obama''''s been in the Senate long enough to learn some ropes, make some important contacts, and do some good without being corrupted :)
Posted by SamTheTVCat

Oh, were I not so jaded as I am. Were talking a guy who had "holes in his car, and holes in his shoes" becoming a billionaire within the first year. I think even I would find that very hard to resist, especially when the alternative is missing members, family or otherwise, we''re talking serious money here.
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by brianbwb-2009 January 16, 2008 3:29 AM PST
Will the code jockeys at CBS PLEASE find a way to stop echoing our apostrophe? This('') is an apostrophe, this (") is a quotation mark.

If a particular post is included and repeated as reference for a discussion, it is a bit strange to read something like "it doesn''''''''''''''''''''t matter", or "Bush''''''''''''s illegal war".

Come on, guys, its called SQL, I can do better than this...
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by piercetheval January 16, 2008 4:34 AM PST
EDWARDS COMPARES TAKING $ FROM A COMPANY THAT WANTS TO BURY NUCLEAR WASTE IN YOUR BACKYARD TO TAKING MONEY FROM DRUG AND INSURANCE COMPANIES? HEY! You guys can bury all the drugs and money you want in my backyard and you won''t have to pay me a dime!
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by piercetheval January 16, 2008 4:37 AM PST
CAN YOU FEEL THE LOVE??
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by samsel3 January 16, 2008 6:44 AM PST
We can all talk about the past, but what about now and the future ? Presently the CNP Council for National Policy is planning your future. This secretive organisation of several hundred of the richest men in the USA put Bush & Cheney in office to accomplish their global agenda. In September 2007 they met again in Salt Lake City. Cheney & Mitt Romney were keynote speakers. Romney wants their backing. The CNP wants to continue their agenda in global market control for BIG OIL & allied industry in the next election. National media outlets are owned by their members. Who will expose them? Who will stop their insanity and destruction of constitutional freedom ? Who will stop their misuse of the military to promote their global agenda ?
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by tbweb January 16, 2008 8:00 AM PST
OMG Chris Matthews is hillarious! What time is his show on? LOL

Posted by SamTheTVCat at 03:03 AM : Jan 16, 2008,,,

Chris Matthews is definitely hilarious! No matter how hard his guest on Hard Ball try to maintain their composure he finds ways to make them uncomfortable, shake them up, get them to say something unscripted and then put their mistakes on full blast! Chris is a riot! The Jerry Springer of Journalism, only not quite that bad, but close! LOL
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by formrusmcsgt January 16, 2008 8:03 AM PST
January 16, 2008

Potentially troubling news for Clinton in Michigan ''win''

(CNN) %u2014 Hillary Clinton faced a grim statistic in Michigan tonight, despite her primary "win" there: results revealed that she may have reason to worry about her grasp on the African-American vote.

The Michigan primary vote was essentially meaningless: the national party stripped the state of its delegates because it held its contest too early in the election season, and Clinton was the only major Democratic contender whose name appeared on the ballot.

Even so, roughly 70 percent of Michigan%u2019s African-American voters %u2014 a group that makes up a quarter of Michigan%u2019s Democratic electorate %u2014 did not cast their votes for Clinton, choosing the %u201Cuncommitted%u201D option instead. Yet these voters weren%u2019t uncommitted at all: in fact, according to CNN exit polls, they overwhelmingly favored Barack Obama, whose name did not appear on the ballot.

Had Obama%u2019s name been on the Michigan ballot, CNN exit polls show that he would have won an overwhelming 73 percent of the African-American vote, in contrast to 22 percent who say they would have voted for Clinton under those circumstances. If South Carolina%u2019s large African-American community votes as Michigan%u2019s, Hillary may not be feeling much %u2018southern hospitality%u2019 in that state.
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by mike71067 January 16, 2008 8:07 AM PST
Headline: "Clinton, Obama Agree To Bury Racial Spat"

Ha ha! It''s too late! This thing has legs and it''s not going away. The party who plays the race card and panders to people based on race has now been exposed as racially divided. This has been a long time coming.
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by hwy71so January 16, 2008 8:23 AM PST
Well, that''s what the Democrats are about isn''t it? Divisiveness? When are they going to wake up and learn to be UNITED.

Doesn''t surprise me a bit they try to keep the wound open.

Bury? I give it a month. They''ll dig it right back up!
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by realpatriot1 January 16, 2008 8:38 AM PST
mike71067,

The Republicans have been pandering on race for 40 years.

Why don''t you go fly a Confederate flag with Rudy!

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by mudrose-2009 January 16, 2008 8:46 AM PST
Well, that''''s what the Democrats are about isn''''t it? Divisiveness? When are they going to wake up and learn to be UNITED.

Doesn''''t surprise me a bit they try to keep the wound open.

Bury? I give it a month. They''''ll dig it right back up!
Posted by Hwy71So

It was the gutless hag''s intent to be divisive. She wanted to divide the black vote. In any event, both the gutless hag (on her commentary of Bush in the ME requesting an infusion of gas into the markets), and the empty vessel known as loose change, will now make this a hallmark moment. Madam Entitlement, just told the little half-black boy, that she''s the one who''ll take care of them. Thing is, the little black boy don''t need massa any more.
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