Racial Tensions Roil Democratic Race

Comments From Clintons On Obama, MLK Jr., Have Infuriated Some African Americans

(Politico)  This story was written by Ben Smith.

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A series of comments from Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, her husband, and her supporters are spurring a racial backlash and adding a divisive edge to the presidential primary as the candidates head south to heavily African-American South Carolina.

The comments, which ranged from the New York senator appearing to diminish the role of Martin Luther King Jr. in the civil rights movement - an aide later said she misspoke - to Bill Clinton dismissing Sen. Barack Obama’s image in the media as a “fairy tale” - generated outrage on black radio, black blogs and cable television. And now they've drawn the attention of prominent African-American politicians.

“A cross-section of voters are alarmed at the tenor of some of these statements,” said Obama spokeswoman Candice Tolliver, who said that Clinton would have to decide whether she owed anyone an apology.

“There’s a groundswell of reaction to these comments - and not just these latest comments but really a pattern, or a series of comments that we’ve heard for several months,” she said. “Folks are beginning to wonder: Is this really an isolated situation or is there something bigger behind all of this?”

Clinton supporters responded to that suggestion with their own outrage.

“To say that there is a pattern of racist comments coming out of the Hillary campaign is ridiculous,” said Ohio Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones. “All of the world knows the commitment of President Clinton and Sen. Clinton to civil rights issues - and not only the commitment in terms of words but in terms of deeds.”

Referring to the King quote, Sheila Jackson Lee, another Clinton supporter, said Clinton was trying to contrast King and Obama, not to diminish King: "It really is a question of focusing on the suggestion that you can inspire without deeds - what is well known to the child who studies Dr. King in school is that yes, he spoke, but he also moved people to action."

But other black Clinton supporters found themselves wincing at the Clintons’ words, if not questioning their intent.

A Harlem-based consultant to the Clinton campaign, Bill Lynch, called the former president’s comments “a mistake,” and said his own phone had been ringing with friends around the country voicing their concern.

“I’ve been concerned about some of those comments - and that there might be a backlash,” he said.

Illinois State Senate President Emil Jones, a prominent Obama supporter, echoed those sentiments.

"It’s very unfortunate that the president would make a statement like that," he said of Bill Clinton's criticism of Obama's experience, adding that the African-American community had "saved his presidency" after the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

"They owe the African-American community - not the reverse," he said. "Maybe Hillary and Bill should get behind Sen. Barack Obama."

Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., through a spokesman, used even stronger language. "Following Barack Obama's victory in Iowa and historic voter turnout in New Hampshire, the cynics unfortunately have stepped up their efforts to decry his uplifting message of hope and fundamental change.

"Regrettably, they have resorted to distasteful and condescending language that appeals to our fears rather than our hopes. I sincerely hope that they'll turn away from such reactionary, disparaging rhetoric."

Many analysts think Clinton won New Hampshire on the back of a feminist backlash against criticism from her rivals and the media, and now, after his own defeat, it’s Obama’s turn. Race is particularly complicated turf this year, however, in a contest that features two towering figures who pride themselves for breaking racial barriers in American politics.

The first is Bill Clinton, sometimes referred to as “the first black president,” who now finds himself on the same uncertain ground as any other white politician speaking dismissively of an African-American rival.

He was expected to call into the Rev. Al Sharpton’s radio show, which airs in South Carolina, Friday afternoon, to explain his “fairy tale” comment.

And the second is Obama, whose 1995 book - subtitled “a story of race and inheritance” was hailed as one of the most astute examinations of race in America. He has played the question of race with remarkable dexterity in this campaign, leaving little doubt among African-Americans that he’s a member of their community, while delivering a message that excludes no one. To whites, he’s made clear that he’s a bearer of racial redemption, not racial grievance, even extending public absolution during a televised debate to a rival, Sen. Joe Biden, for past racially-charged remarks. Tolliver said Obama had no personal reaction to Clinton’s remarks, and was focused on his own message of “hope.” But he’s spoken in the past of the risk of falling into old narratives of racial division.

“I think America is still caught in a little bit of a time warp: The narrative of black politics is still shaped by the '60s and black power,” he told Newsweek this summer. “That is not, I think, how most black voters are thinking. I don't think that's how most white voters are thinking. I think that people are thinking about how to find a job, how to fill up the gas tank, how to send their kids to college. I find that when I talk about those issues, both blacks and whites respond well.”

Now, though, some of those old patterns are reasserting themselves.

The series of comments Clinton critics’ cite began in mid-December, when the chairman of HIllary Clinton’s New Hampshire campaign, Bill Shaheen, speculated whether Obama had ever dealt drugs. In the final days of the New Hampshire campaign, however, the discomfort of some black observers intensified as Bill Clinton dismissed the contrast between Obama’s judgment on the war and Clinton’s as a “fairy tale” and spoke dismissively of his short time in the Senate. And the candidate herself, in an interview with Fox News, stressed the role of President Lyndon Johnson, over Martin Luther King Jr., in the civil rights movement.

“I would point to the fact that Dr. King's dream began to be realized when President Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, when he was able to get through Congress something that President Kennedy was hopeful to do, the president before had not even tried, but it took a president to get it done,” she said, in response to a question about how her dismissive attitude toward Obama’s “false hopes” would have applied to the civil rights movement. “That dream became a reality, the power of that dream became real in peoples lives because we had a president who said we are going to do it, and actually got it accomplished.”

An aide later said Clinton didn’t intend to diminish King, and later that day she went out of her way to stress his accomplishment and courage in leading a movement.

Then, when Obama lost New Hampshire, the first question on black media outlets like the Tom Joyner Show was whether white racism had defeated him, and when a Clinton supporter, New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo, said - though not directly in connection to Obama - that politicians can’t “shuck and jive” in early primary states, it only added fuel to the fire.

Thursday, a key player in black South Carolina politics, Rep. Jim Clyburn, told The New York Times he’d consider endorsing Obama in response to what he considered a lack of respect in the Clinton campaign’s approach to Obama.

“For him to go after Obama, using a ‘fairy tale,’ calling him as he did last week. It's an insult. And I will tell you, as an African-American, I find his tone and his words to be very depressing,” said Donna Brazile, a longtime Clinton ally who is neutral in this race, on CNN earlier this week.

Asked in an e-mail from Politico about the situation Friday, she responded by sending over links to five cases in which the Clintons and their surrogates talked about Obama, along with a question:

“Is Clinton using a race-baiting strategy against Obama?”

The black blogosphere was even less diplomatic, with the widely read site “MediaTakeOut” calling Clinton’s comment on King “explosive” and the blog Jack and Jill Politics saying it “pretty much solidified the image that whatever happened in the '90s, you are now some out of touch rich white folks.”.

“There’s a concern about that kind of stuff - especially in the black community,” said Bill Perkins, a New York state senator who is among Obama’s leading supporters in Clinton’s home state. “The dynamic changed in New Hampshire, and all these little mistakes contribute to the general sense that this isn’t a mistake.”

Clinton’s supporters dismiss the hubbub as the Obama campaign’s strategy to woo African-American supporters in South Carolina.

“Some of the Obama people are clearly trying to use Hillary’s comments about Martin Luther King and distort them into something she did not say, which is outrageous,” said former Pennsylvania Rep. William Gray. “It’s a hot issue in South Carolina, and they’re spreading the word all over. I hope that the good senator will make sure that none of his people are doing that. We don’t need to have a debate about race or gender.”

Obama’s national spokesman, Bill Burton, wouldn’t comment on Gray’s assertion.

“Voters have to decide for themselves what they think about those comments,” he said.

Clinton’s campaign also released a statement from a deputy campaign manager, Bob Nash, defending the senator.

“The stress of the political season can lead people to say outlandish things and we assume that this was the case here. With Dr. King’s birthday upon us, it’s important to keep in mind that his legacy is about the things that bring us together as one people,” he said.

But Lynch, the Clinton consultant who is advising Clinton’s South Carolina campaign, said he wouldn’t advise Clinton to fight on this terrain.

“The more you kind of defend it, the worse it gets,” said Lynch.

[samthetvcat]

Did Obama accuse Hillary of ''playing the gender card''? When was that?

And when Obama responded to Clinton, he addressed the distortion of his quote.

But I highly doubt ppl who are supporting Hillary have much of an ear for truth and fairness.

[denn034]

Racism among Democrats? What that''s shocking!

[dinslc]

Obama hasn''t been "playing the race card", metroduck.

Obama hasn''t gotten involved in any of this stuff.

The Clintons and their supporters have pulled this *** all by themselves, so leave Obama out of it.
(Since Obama has tried to stay out of it.)

To recap the Clinton campaign''s stupid mistakes;

-2 of Hillary''s volunteers quit after they were caught forwarding the emails of the "Obama is a muslim" lies.

-the co-chair of Hillary''s campaign suggested Obama was a drug dealer because he did drugs as a teen.

-Hillary suggested that while black folks can be inspirational, (like M.L. King) their place is not the whitehouse (like LBJ).

-Bill saying nominating Obama was a "roll of the dice"

-the Clinton supporter (mentioned above) saying that Obama can''t "shuck and jive" his way to the whitehouse.

These things have been going on for months, without comment from Obama. Obama has tried not to get dragged into the Clinton''s muck, so i think the statement Obama''s camp released, after being asked directly about it, is pretty reasonable.

I don''t think the Clintons are racists.
They do, however, seem to have a condescending attitude towards african americans...but then again, their attitude of superiority has been directed towards everybody, not just black folks.

[johnfrost-2009]

Sen. Obama is running on a platform of "Change" (100% Baloney)

Senator, what are you running on?
a.- On a platform of %u201CChange%u201D
Change from what to what?
a.-We have to change it to %u201CHope%u201D
Hope from what?
a.- We need %u201CChange%u201D
Change from what?
a.- We need Hope
Hope from what?
a.- We need Change
Change from what?
a.- A policy of Hope
How do you do that?
a.- With Change
Change from what?
a.- A change to Hope.

[rowdytexan2]

Oh, this is priceless! The racial card! The gender card! He said, she said, they said! Now what???

Again as on the post on the other page about the Tiger Woods incident---if you are going to go looking for racial slurs you will find them! Just like if you are looking for trouble you will find it!

This is the biggest load of krap I''ve ever heard!

Barak Obama is starting to look like the total piece of work I thought he was. He couldn''t get the black vote away from Hillary so now he''s getting racial fantics to make up racial slurs!

Are we going to have to listen to this kind of krap for 8 years???

[rowdytexan2]

Everytime he makes a boo boo while he''s in the White House are we going to be told how much Americans hate blacks?

In the beginning I thought this young man had some merit! And I thought he himself was above racism!

But apprently NOT!!!!!

[mcsummit]

Of course the race card will always be milked for what it''s worth.
But Obama another Martin Luther King or a JFK? That''s a fairy tale.
He will be exposed-this Obama guy if not by his own party by the Republicans.
An eloquent Orator, a sweet sweet talker but HOLLOW!!

[mcv57]

Barak Obama is starting to look like the total piece of work I thought he was. He couldn''''t get the black vote away from Hillary so now he''''s getting racial fantics to make up racial slurs!

Are we going to have to listen to this kind of krap for 8 years???

Posted by RowdyTexan2

Its ALL Krap, ALL lies, ALL deception, ALL politics. They will tell you anything that will win a vote. And yes, racism is growing everyday and has attacked harmony and corrupt the judgment of many states in this country. If you don''t believe that, ask the black man who got shot in the back for a hairbrush in his pocket, or sit down and talk to that black man who spent 23 years in prison for a rape the black man did not do (DNA cleared and freed him).

Yes, the race issue is a low political tactic, but it STILL EXISTS!

[samthetvcat]

"%u201CI would point to the fact that Dr. King''s dream began to be realized when President Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, when he was able to get through Congress something that President Kennedy was hopeful to do, the president before had not even tried, but it took a president to get it done,%u201D she said, in response to a question about how her dismissive attitude toward Obama%u2019s %u201Cfalse hopes%u201D would have applied to the civil rights movement. %u201CThat dream became a reality, the power of that dream became real in peoples lives because we had a president who said we are going to do it, and actually got it accomplished.%u201D"

I know some of you feel like men have ''done you wrong'' in the past, but how do you all feel about Hillary''s statement above. It DOES sound to me like she IS comparing Barack to MLK and saying that blacks would be nowhere without white ppl which is why you need to vote for her instead of a black person.

Is that unfair of me to say? How do you guys see it?

[downsteamjim]

To dinsinc: Don''t forget about the comment that Obama hasn''t done enough ''spade work.''

[flreason]

Hillary and Bill said what they said. It doesn''t matter how you slice it and dice it, their comments were stupid and will end up costing Hillary votes. There are going to be things said by both sides in the campaign that are ambiguous and can be taken as condescending or inaccurate. However, I think the Clintons'' comments push the boundaries of unintended or spontaneous gaffes. It''s sad to see competitiveness expose a mean streak in otherwise tolerant people. It''s not surprising that the years of Republican attacks have made them defensive, but its too bad that they succumbed to a knee jerk response to campaign pressure. That''s the ugly side of ambition.

[samthetvcat]

Wow that''s very wise - that was very well said flreason. Although honestly, ppl seem to love the Clintons so maybe it won''t cost her in the end (?)

[pepperp1]

"They owe the African-American community - not the reverse," he said. "Maybe Hillary and Bill should get behind Sen. Barack Obama."


cards are on the table....the Clintons are not black enough

[downsteamjim]

To flreason: The Republicans made the Clinton''s do it. That''s one of the greatest stretches I''ve ever heard.

[jn122736]

Prejudice exists in America today almost as strongly as in the past. It is evident on both sides of the, black vs. white, racial issue.

In my opinion, Obama is, realistically speaking, unelectable, at this time in our history, simply because he is perceived as being black.
The fact that he is of Muslim decent doesn%u2019t help either.

The more he, or his campaign, stirs the race issue the less chance he will have to win the nomination and, rest assured, his republican opponent will use the race card far more effectively in the general election.

It also exists in the gender issue. Hillary Clinton, if she becomes the democratic nominee, will face almost insurmountable odds in the general election simply because she is a woman.

My wish right now is that Edwards can somehow win the democratic nomination, not only because he offers much of what I believe we need right now, but also because he will stand a far better chance of actually being elected in 2008.
He would need to choose a near perfect running mate if such a person could be found.

[kansas1946]

I don''t think either Bill or Hillary are racists, far from it, but I am surprised with their combinded experience in politics that they would make those kinds of missteps. Heck, it only took a big "yahoo" to derail Howard Dean. This is probably going to be a serious issue for Hillary, because this will be repeated over and over, and will probably become worse in the retelling. Lord I would hate to be involved in politics in this instant replay age!

I am a big Obama fan, but I would never accuse the Clintons of being racist.

[kansas1946]

jn122736,
I think (and hope) you are 100pct wrong. I think a black or a woman can easily be elected if they have the right message, enought money, and a little luck, which is what any candidate needs. The last two elections have been razor thin wins because no one has been enthused about the candidates. There is great enthusiasm for both Obama and Clinton, and John Edwards is very well liked. There is absolutely no enthusiasm for any of the Republican candidates and no matter which one the Republicans choose, he already starts out with majory problems.

Have faith in Americans that they will elect a woman or a black man if they think they can lead our country. I do.

[pepperp1]

Here let me help, new Dem Party Theme


If you don%u2019t support Senator Obama you are an old guard racist


repeat after me you NEED Obama, you NEED Obama, you NEED Obama, you NEED Obama why because you NEED Obama, wha you NEED Obama but I you NEED Obama, but I like Clinton well then your an old guard racist arent you, you NEED Obama.........................

stupid...stupid....stupid

[pepperp1]

think anyone who has brain would know that someone behind the scene is trying to "stir the pot".

It''''s possible that the Republican Pundits start this to DIVIDE Democrat Party.

If you want to VOTE for Obama as a black person, good for you. I cannot argue with your sense of Pride.

But I also encourage you to seriously consider the Record of Hillary and the Policies that she proposes in order to pushing to move the Country forward.


It''''s really SAD that some people would still want to play Racial Card at this time of age.

As a Minority, I truly RESENT that.



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Posted by metroduck75 at 07:57 PM : Jan 11, 2008
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Me TOO and yeah what a great natural Wedgies its very much like Religion Sexualityyy its a code word intended to inflame passion cant be defended but Its looking like it%u2019s a real strategy look at the Senator Osama%u2019s Spokesperson claim and it%u2019s the new club all over cable now%u2026.


its up to all of us to stay together.........I will be the first to claim Senator Clinton is not Black enough no fight from me on that one.............

[chirumbolo]

Wow.

America is so tired of black America playing the role of the victim.

Once again we see the adherents of screwball racial politics - where up is down and wrong is right - trying to hijack the political process by laying the tired old race card.

Sadly, it appears that the most racist sector of America is the black community itself.

Get over it. Psychotherapy helps.

[flreason]

To downsteamjim:

I wasn''t suggesting that Republicans made the Clinton''s do it. They''re both fairly mature adults and can take responsibility for their acts. But I do think that the years of being a high profile Republican target have taken their toll on the Clintons. I think it also explains some of Hillary''s prickly side. It''s impossible to survive years of personal attacks unscathed.

As for Obama playing the race card--so far all he has done is to suggest that he''s ready for a rough and tumble campaign. The strongest response has been from African Americans not associated with the Obama campaign, who were both surprised and offended. They didn''t speak out at Obama''s request, but rather as surrogates because he chose not to comment directly, and they feel the Clinton campaign''s comments shouldn''t be allowed to go unchallenged.

[samthetvcat]

"I think it also explains some of Hillary''''s prickly side. It''''s impossible to survive years of personal attacks unscathed."

Okay, that part I disagree with because Hillary put together an exploratory committee to test whether Arkansas would be receptive to her seceding Bill to the Governor''s office and the feedback was very negative. So that would seem to show that she''s always rubbed ppl the wrong way.

[pepperp1]

I hope this is NOT because Obama desperately wants to WIN South Carolina''''s Primary.


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Posted by metroduck75 at 08:10 PM : Jan 11, 2008

WHoaaa this is politics after all a blood sport intended to wound if not figuratively kill now with that said...................................

Senator Clinton does have to accept in this race she is not black enough compared to Senator Obama ......Obama is Blacker period,


Juts like if Senator Obama tried to be the Woman candidate compared to Senator Clinton he would not be Woman enough again move on

She has nothing to apologize for and the raging charges of racism are unconvincing%u2026%u2026



Oh and former Governor Dean Chairman of the DNC really good choice you made their moving up the powder keg to the beginning of the primary with the promise of neutrality that was dumb in hind sight, yeah sucker%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026.

Its up to us to rise above manipulating marketing we can overcome this too...

[likeitis5050]

While I can''t stand the sound or sight of Hillary, I also have to point out that Obama is not the one crying foul. It''s the media playing up what ever they can to create doubt that Obama will be able to lead without Al Sharpton calling someone to the carpet every other day. The vast majority of blacks do not bow to all his phony balogny outrage over knit-picky slips and adopted phrases from the black vocabulary that whites use along the way. This is a form of emotional bullying and blackmail that Al Sharpton uses to gain control over white-dominated professions. Every time they quiver or cave in to his demands, he gains control. His own sermons are peppered with racial slurs against whites and no one dares back him down and call him a racist to his face...which is exactly what he is from the inside, out. Sharpton has elected himself watchman over all that is white, and he is not qualified to be any such thing. Obama is not playing that game, but I find it absolutely delicious that the Clintons have been caught back-dooring an opponent, which they are notorious for doing any time they feel the slightest pressure. Maybe she can work up another tear-fest to ward off any doubters that she is the only truly qualified candidate to be president...gag.

[flreason]

Sam,

I wasn''t aware of the Arkansas succession exploration, but I do think that the Presidential years exacerbated the situation. And I don''t think Hillary''s personality was the sole reason Arkansans rejected the prospect of Hillary as Governor. I think there''s also an American ambivalence to political dynasties. We gravitate to familiar names, and yet there is always an element of distrust because of the corruption that so often dogs entrenched political machines.

[donbl1]

Kind of different to see the Democrats tied in knots over racial comments.....

[donbl1]

metroduck, the article is about Democratic divisions........

[samthetvcat]

O''Reilly was loving our Democratic in-fighting because he knows it''s weakening us. It sounds like Hillary''s base doesn''t see themselves voting for Obama, but I don''t know whether Hillary or her base appreciate the fact that she''s alienated a large part of Obama''s base who are independents and who are more likely to connect with Republicans once the general election hits.

I just heard about her $70billion ''economic'' plan which is going to turn off independent fiscal conservatives in a big way because it''s not a stimulus package.

I would like to think Obama is electable, although maybe I''m too optimistic. What everybody thinks except for Hillary''s supporters is that she''s unelectable - and that''s like 55% of us, so you know I''m not sure how on earth she''s going to ever win.

Maybe Howard Dean needs to step in and set some standards here for the Democratic primary contest . . .

[donbl1]

Metro, there is nothing honest in politics. The Clintons just want to win. If that means maximizing the majority vote, then so be it.

BTW, more women and minorities in top jobs in the Bush administration than in the Clinton administration.

[prinzowhales]

This is too pat...It looks as though the Neo-Con element of the Democrat Party is discovering a new way to self-destruct....what else is happening?--There is the chitty-chat amongst the Establishment talking heads to form a ''bipartisan'' party for ''unity''...How can one increase the demand for unity...and an end to ''partisanship'' that is allegedly killing our country?--By creating enmity and strife....by increasing tensions with Iran and one more more...

It has been said that our ships in the Gulf are sitting ducks for the Iranian land to sea missiles...Will the Regime--or its troll, Israel--provoke war...another "New Pearl Harbor"?

What better way to sell unity than by sowing dissension?...what better way to sell unity than by external threat?

The enemy is in Washington! It is on Wall Street! It is on Madison Avenue! They will make mountains out of mole hills and you will allow yourselves to be deceived!

[samthetvcat]

PS Meaning 55% of us think she''s unelectable because we already know there''s no chance in hell she''s ever going to get our votes.

Romney ''08

[flreason]

At the risk of repeating myself ad nauseum, Obama isn''t the one playing the race card!

One of the problems with campaign coverage is that reporters comb through every comment by the main players looking for something that might allow them a unique insight/perspective that hasn''t already been beaten to death by every other analyst. When network TV ruled, its coverage was limited to brief references during the evening news. With 24/7 news on cable, every word is nuanced and repeated ad infinitum, making small verbal slips snowball into huge controversies.

Having said that, there were enough questionable Clinton campaign comments to warrant further scrutiny.

[donbl1]

Metro, I can just see it.....

Hillary wins in November and sends Bill on a good will trip and then,,,,there is this picture of Bill in Le Monde ,,,,,and he is,,,you know,,,,,,and then we just go through it all over again.

Bubba Bill, great guy at the bar but don''t let him near your young daughters or wives.

[samthetvcat]

"O, another NOTE to the Republicans:

The more you HATE Hillary, the Higher Chance she will get elected.

Mark my Word, as GOD is my witness... :-)


Here is the NOTE to the Republicans:

Never EVER EVER understimate the Clinton''''s ability to Come Back.

Consider yourself WARNED! :-)"

Posted by metroduck75

It''s threats like these that make conservative Democrats and Independents not want to have anything to do with a divisive figure like Hillary. Who wants to be fighting the next 4 years with somebody so abrasive?

[flreason]

Of course, there''s always the possibility that some people are genuinely offended by the Clinton comments and the Obama campaign is only the context in which those comments were made.

[rowdytexan2]

In the first place, what Bill said was true...

Lyndon Johnson did help Martin Luther King realize his dream. Dr. King was not a legislator, he had no way of getting his dream legislation passed without it being introduced by SOMEBODY!

How can you make a reacial slur out of that???

If Barak Obama is playing up to this krap, then he is certainly less of a person than I thought he was. If he has sicked the racial fanatics out to get the black votes this way, then he is trash!

[donbl1]

Metro, on Florida, the rest of the country knows Floridians can not punch the right holes........

[samthetvcat]

"SamTheTVCat, I live in FLORIDA... I can assure you that Conservative Democrats, Republican Women and the Independent VOTERS here LOOOVE Hillary.

As a Swing State, We voted for the Clintons. If Hillary becomes the nominee, you Republicans can surely watch how Florida will turn BLUE again."
Posted by metroduck75

Well then go with that - it sounds like you''ve got the election in the bag and won''t be needing my vote.

[rowdytexan2]

Why wouldln''t blacks vote for Hillary, she is obviously the best candidate out there supporting issues that affect all of us!

[samthetvcat]

"It''s okay if you want to VOTE for Obama as you take Pride in your blackness.... But playing Racial Card by His Supporters in hoping to win more VOTES is simply OUTRAGEOUS."
Posted by metroduck75

Actually most of Barack''s supporters are white so the only posts of yours which really speak to us are the threats.

[prinzowhales]

Its not too late for Democrats to unite under Kucinich--the Democratic candidate who has demanded a recount of the fraud tainted felon tabulated New Hampshire primary--even though he will gain little or nothing from it...Obama saw his totals shaved and he accepts it-- like Kerry accepted the theft of Ohio in 2004.

[rowdytexan2]

Posted by UserVerified at 09:09 PM : Jan 11, 2008

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

[rowdytexan2]

Prinz, good grief!!!

There was no fraud in New Hampshire! The polls were wrong! There was a record breaking turnout for voting more so than in years and years. The polls didn''t accomodate that!

The fraud krap is just that!

[incog-nito]

Somepeople are still too *** sensitive.

[samthetvcat]

"Prinzowhales is correct in that if Barak is perceived by the Clintons as being easily pushed around in the NH recount, then the Clintons are going to be emboldened in other states."

Posted by UserVerified

Um, nice try stirring the pot - NOT! You die-hard Republicans are going to have your own bruising battles soon enough the way things are going on your side :P

[rowdytexan2]

Posted by UserVerified at 09:14 PM : Jan 11, 2008

Don''t put words in my mouth that aren''t there, Sir. I said if he is promoting the racial fanatics, then he''s trash!

Just like I think Huckabee is evangelic trash!

[rowdytexan2]

Posted by UserVerified at 09:21 PM : Jan 11, 2008

And some people just see and hear what they want to hear! Just like those numb nuts promoting racial slur where there is NONE!

[prinzowhales]

RowdyTexan2--A convicted felon--a narcotics trafficker was responsible for programing the chips that tabulated 81% of the NH vote--there were statisically large discrepancies between the areas where votes were hand counted and machine counted. In some townships like Sutton, Paul, for instance, was given ''0'' votes and investigation revealed that he actually had ''31'' by the clerk Ms. Call. Other townships gave him ''0'' and well and some registerd hundreds of votes for ''Other''--Who is ''Other''?

Look at blackboxvoting.org and see what the real danger to democracy is--the Establishment''s corrupted system of voting...Wasn''t Florida and Ohio enough for you or do you just enjoy the process of standing in line and working for a candidate and then see a Bush or a Hagel steal the election?

[incog-nito]

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson together must have set the civil rights movement back several decades just by their incessant whining.

[rowdytexan2]

Posted by UserVerified at 09:24 PM : Jan 11, 2008

Your arguments have been proven null and void so many times it''s not worth another word.