Jan. 10, 2008

It's Not Change, Stupid

CBS's Meyer: "Change" Was Not The Force The Political Elite Thought It Was

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(CBS)  This commentary was written by CBSNews.com's Dick Meyer.

For all the breast-beating and soul-searching being performed by the political elite over why we so badly blew predicting Hillary Clinton’s New Hampshire resurrection, we actually blew something much bigger: understanding the central dynamic of the presidential election.

After Iowa, poll readers, pundits, Republican and Democratic candidates declared the voters wanted “change.” No matter what “change” actually is, no matter that “change” means different things to different people: “change” is what the voters want.

Barack Obama cornered the market on change. After Iowa, John Edwards wanted to get some market share as did Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee and John McCain. Hillary stuck with experience. Contrarian pundits mocked Obama for pushing change without beef, unfairly.

The sorry truth is that “change” was merely a phantom conjured by the political elite - a nano-trend, a shorthand, a figment, a wild goose chase.

In 2008, there have been four elections with four winners: Obama, Clinton, Huckabee and McCain. Go ahead: pick an uber-theme that fits all these winners. It ain’t change.

Sure, Obama talks a lot about change and he had a big win. But he also talks about hope, leadership, health care and opportunity. And he also lost New Hampshire.

It was the Iowa exit polls that gave change mega-buzz. Among Democratic primary voters, the most coveted quality in a candidate was the capacity “bring about needed change.” A whopping 52 percent want change. In New Hampshire, it was the same but more so, with 54 percent opting for change in their multiple choice selections.

Well, use some common sense here. The quality that a candidate “can bring about needed change” can mean he/she will get out of Iraq to one voter. It can mean universal health care to another. Or cleaning up campaign finance, invading Iran, curing cancer or restoring the American Way.

In this context change is just a Rorschach test, not a political diagnosis. It is nearly meaningless.

This has happened before, often. After Bush's re-election in 2004, for example, it became instant conventional wisdom that "moral values" were the key to all politics. Strategists and commentators nagged the Democrats for not having good “moral values.” Republicans knew how to talk about “moral values” so they won.

It turned out that “moral values” were completely in the eye of the beholding exit poll answerer, just like “change” this year. Moral values didn’t equate with family values or Christian values. Lo and behold, moral values played absolutely no role in the 2006 mid-term elections that toppled the Republicans from control of Congress.

It would be very smart to get rid of the bogus change theme early in this election year before it perpetrates more muddy thinking.

The focus on a false “change” story, obviously, obscures deeper truths. Obviously, the victories of Obama, McCain and, to a slightly lesser degree, Huckabee, show that business-as-usual isn’t attractive to many voters and they are looking for a new cast of characters - and a new kind of character. But this isn’t a mega-trend, as Clinton’s win shows.

The dynamic to watch this year involves independent and swing voters, those creatures that we were told were extinct in hyper-polarized, red/blue politics in America. So far, 2008 has been the year of the independent voter.

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We were told that there was no longer any middle - swing voters had disappeared... What's everybody talking about now? Independents.

Morris Fiorina, Political scientist
“We were told that there was no longer any middle - swing voters had disappeared,” said Stanford political scientist Morris Fiorina, author of "Culture War? The Myth of a Polarized America."

"What's everybody talking about now? Independents. Obama is winning independents, McCain is winning independents. Independents can't figure out whether to vote for a 47-year-old liberal or a 71-year-old conservative. All they know is that they're tired of the choices they've had in recent elections,” said Fiorina.

In New Hampshire, 44 percent of Democratic primary voters and 37 percent of Republicans described themselves as independents. Twenty percent of Iowa Democratic caucus-goers said they were independent.

Fiorina’s point is that independent, swing voters never went away, they just had only highly partisan candidates to choose from. Unhappy with such choices, their votes were evenly divided between two bad options. This resulted in close elections. Analysts mistakenly said this meant America was polarized. It wasn’t. Politicians, activists and candidates were partisan and polarized. Most voters were not. They were pragmatic and open-minded.

These voters are looking for a home in 2008 and they actually have some interesting options. Sure, they want “change” from politicians they don’t like, who doesn’t? The deeper theme is that perhaps the myth of polarization is losing steam. A few candidates are doing what all candidates used to do in the days before culture war and wedge issues: running for the middle where most voters live.

Obama and McCain are appealing to independents. They are trying to use a style and vocabulary that isn’t knee-jerk partisan, that doesn’t demonize all opponents and that isn’t full of coded messages to the parties’ interest groups. It is a style of campaigning the country hasn’t seen for awhile. It may not prevail. So far, anti-polarizing campaigns have won two of four primaries.

The “change” narrative deserves an early funeral. But independent voters, the real silent minority, might commit some real political change this year.




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by cfin5 January 10, 2008 5:45 AM PST
I can''t stand Obama after very early in his campaign he pulled "THEE" race card a couple of times. Looked into it and he ''s a member of some weird "Africa first, God second" church. Then in New Hampshire he starts sounding like some MLK wannabe.....Wondering why Reverend Jesse Jackson and the Reverend Al Sharpton have been VERY quiet this year.
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by hwy71so January 10, 2008 7:29 AM PST
I don''t want change. I want restoration. Our political parties have impaired our government at every angle. The Democrats because they want to take over power. The Republicans because they don''t want to lose power. Where in fact they just need to work equally together to serve the people of this country.
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by gkc99 January 10, 2008 7:41 AM PST
And the media is doing it again, trying to pretend they own the political process, that they somehow control what happens. The media said Obama would win and he didn''t--so now the media mouthpiece is trying to get back on top by explaining why they momentarily lost their illusory control.

Fact is that Obama and Hillary got about the same number of votes in a tiny, out of the way, state.

The media''s preening like it''s all about them kind of reminds of Bill Clinton.
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by hwy71so January 10, 2008 7:46 AM PST
Oh, you KNOW the media is trying to manipulate this country. They''ve got to justify the unwholesome mentality of living they''ve brainwashed Americans into living.
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by hwy71so January 10, 2008 7:57 AM PST
I don''t know about Obama. Everytime I''ve tried to watch him, I just feel like he''s trying to force himself on the people rather than earn their support and respect. I think I made 2 minutes of his last speech before I had to find another channel.
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by prinzowhales January 10, 2008 8:36 AM PST
MORE NEWS ON THE THEFT OF NEW HAMPSHIRE FROM PAUL AND OBAMA!! Real time capture of AP election numbers on Boston.com, the BOSTON GLOBE net vehicle...

http://www.youtube.com/wat
ch?v=qV6qAGigGYY

We are not only dealing with the theft of the election which CBSNBCABCFOXCNN is studiously ignoring but there is the question of no chain of custody for the ballots which obviates the value of a recount!!

THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN--THE MACHINES IN SOUTH CAROLINA ARE EVEN EASIER TO USE TO RIP OFF THE VOTERS!!

Whatever one might think of Obama--and I don''t think much of this War Pig in sheep''s clothing with his stable of CFR, Neo-Liberal, War Pig foreign policy advisors...his message of ''Change''...which includes a call for the invasion of Pakistan and not taking military aggression against Iran off the table--...he still should have all the votes counted that he got.
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by PerryM January 10, 2008 8:41 AM PST
Oh come on CBS %u2013 this has nothing to do with anything but:

%u201CYou can%u2019t hit the girl%u201D.

The next 10 months is going to be nothing but more Political Correctness %u2013 you can%u2019t hit the girl. It will make Americans sick %u2013 the crying the whimpering the sniffling %u2013 barf.

The reason America needs a man to be President is very simple %u2013 this is a bare knuckle world of one thug bashing the brains out of others and that%u2019s exactly what nature had in mind for the male.

You can''t be a superpower with Political Correctness.

So let%u2019s see America squirm for 10 months not really wanting to address this issue - it%u2019s going to be fun to watch.

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by PerryM January 10, 2008 8:42 AM PST
What is it with you chat rooms and your inability to handle special characters correctly?
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by omega39-2009 January 10, 2008 9:17 AM PST
The sorry truth is that %u201Cchange%u201D was merely a phantom conjured by the political elite - a nano-trend, a shorthand, a figment, a wild goose chase.

Well Dickie, putting aside the question as to whether any of the idiots running can break free of their corporate masters and formant "change". I would like to point out that 76% of the country feels it is on the wrong track. That statistic cannot be marginalized down to a "nano-trend, a shorthand, a figment, a wild goose chase".
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by mudrose-2009 January 10, 2008 9:25 AM PST
I don''''t know about Obama. Everytime I''''ve tried to watch him, I just feel like he''''s trying to force himself on the people rather than earn their support and respect. I think I made 2 minutes of his last speech before I had to find another channel.
Posted by Hwy71So

I liked this article. Remember that favorite line "it depends on what ''Is'' is? Well, now you have the meaning of what change is. I love it. Unless these dudes and dudettes, give us a real clear definition of what they mean by change, change is none other than just a verb.

What I didn''t like is what Bill Clintoid did to Obama. I''m no Obama fan, but it only shows how the Democrats regard the black community. To the Democrats, the democrats are just votes, not people. And the minute they step up tot he plate and declare themselves they get shot down. And quite frankly what is this article telling you right now? Isn''t it similiar to Willie''s "Obama and his Fairy Tales" commentary? Think about it. They hate for the black man to break free of the party. The Irony is that Obama''s in the party. Very interesting, indeed.
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by mudrose-2009 January 10, 2008 9:27 AM PST
To the Democrats, the democrats

What I meant is to the Democrats, the black man...
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by cfin5 January 10, 2008 9:33 AM PST
I see nothing in his voting record that indicates "CHANGE" in the literal sense of the word. Ron Paul has the real "CHANGE" as his voting record walk matches his campaign talk,......and he''s no veiled racist either.
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by homespunlady January 10, 2008 9:33 AM PST
The MSM seem to be whirling like some evildoer in the movies just prior to exploding.
This election process is being stretched out so thin that there''s NO break from nonstop campaign coverage.
Maybe the political machine is just making this so annoying t divert attention from all the economic bad news coming out; or maybe it''s just to turn our politics into another Brittany or Paris saga and BORE the nation into burnout on the subject and NOT voting.

Either way DON''T fall for the BS. The election system needs to be watched for fraud and manipulation and I''m GLAD to see at least SOME people are making an effort to make THIS election LESS of a RIGGED situation that sends the perpetrators to jail YEARS after the fact.

Keep up the GOOD WORK and for the rest of us PLEASE HELP by getting involved, watching the polls and holding Stalin''s favorite part of rigging an election - "those that COUNT the vote" accountable, transparent and with their feet to the fire if they even THINK about trying to misrepresent your vote.
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by ljpitcher77 January 10, 2008 9:35 AM PST
It seems as though the media says what the media want. Maybe I''m just feeling cynical today but since Romney has started emphasizing the change aspects of his campaign now they need to dispute it.

They also left out the fact that he has come in a close second on both the Republican races referenced in this article. And, there have actually been 5 races this election. They conveniently left out the republican Wyoming race where Romney won handedly. (Wyoming is only 10% Mormon for those who don''t know, so this isn''t a "he is one of us" thing.)

I guess I''m just pointing out that the MSM, for whatever reason just can''t let Mr. Romney into the winner circle. Even if he is leading in delegates and has won a race they wont acknowledge even happened. You have to at least wonder about motive here.
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by huanaco January 10, 2008 9:41 AM PST

OBAMA, WHO IS THIS GUY ANYWAY ? IN KENYA THEY ARE HAPPY TO KNOW ONE OF THEIR OWN BLOOD IS DOING WELL IN POLITICS, THAT IS ENOUGH . TO ME HE IS NO MORE THAN A FIFTH COLUMN EMBEDED IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY , IN OTHER WORDS A REPUBLICAN TROYAN HORSE.
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by frankson2 January 10, 2008 9:59 AM PST
THEY''RE NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF SALESMEN (INCLUDING HILLARY) PROMISING TO MAKE YOUR LIFE BETTER IF YOU BUY THIER PRODUCT. IT''S LIKE WALKING INTO A NEW CAR SHOWROOM. MOST OF WHAT THEY SAY IS COMPLETE BS!
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by hwy71so January 10, 2008 9:59 AM PST
mudrose, the thing is I can tell by looking at a person''s face, usually, when they''re talking down to me. So far, I''ve seen this look in these 4 candidates: Guiliani, Romney, Clinton and Obama. Thompson just looks confused all the time, McCain, well he changed his stance on at least one issue that I think is telling and important. Huckabee, I don''t know. But Guiliani, Romney, Clinton and Obama just look like they''re trying to play us.
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by quatrops January 10, 2008 10:12 AM PST
The MEDIA ! ! Right or Left. Religious or agnostic. Poor or wealthy. North or South. Red or blue.

It seems everyone, including most of us posters, want to blame the MEDIA when events aren''t to our liking. Frequently, we suggest the MEDIA has a hidden political agenda (which it occasionally does, but we put FAR too much emphasis on guessing what that agenda is).

The media''s main objective, like all corporate institutions, is to sell its product or service. Whether it''s the right-leaning owners or the slightly left-leaning writers/reporters/pundits, their motivation is, above all else, financial.

And they all know that the best way to achieve their goal is to report (or, sometimes create) CONFLICT or CONTROVERSY. That is what we, the readers/viewers, want to pay (directly or indirectly) for.

So lighten up on the media, folks. If you don''t like their product, stop paying attention! 98% of what they report is inconsequential anyway. In the time we save, we can do something nourishing and constructive with our lives.
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by infidel_us January 10, 2008 10:31 AM PST
Change. All Ubama ever says is ''change'' but nary a word as to what KIND of change! This guy is all mouth (and ears) and no substance.
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by hwy71so January 10, 2008 10:58 AM PST
And John Kerry backs him. He who was also all talk and no substance. But a traitor to this country in trying to incite dissention in the military.
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by classicdoc January 10, 2008 11:28 AM PST
Running for president takes real talent. Too bad it''s not the same talent as needed to BE a good president. Top candidates are so primped and primed and quick with smooth soundbites and perfect body language. They position and market themselves to appeal to special interests and constituencies as revealed by polls and focus groups. They speak all the popular words, like "change." They get in power and they trash the Constitution, tax more, spend more, control us more, get us into more wars.

Then there''s Ron Paul. Think about it.
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by oleander8 January 10, 2008 11:44 AM PST
"For all the breast-beating and soul-searching being performed by the political elite over why we so badly..."

I couldn''t be more pleased by the ''political elites'' embarrassment. The pontificating, pompous pundits need to back-off and let the process play itself out. The polls and the pundits are harmful to our election process. They both raise expectations, and encourage complacency.
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by classicdoc January 10, 2008 11:45 AM PST
I think Paul has done remarkably well, considering that his positions on the issues (individual liberty, obey the Constitution, non-intervention abroad) have been outside the political "mainstream" for quite awhile. It takes time to get the message out and get a hearing for it. On a third-party run, I think it depends on the Dem candidate. If we get Clinton vs, say, McCain, then you have two war-mongers and Paul would be a clear choice for many. If Obama gets the nod, he is sufficiently anti-war that there would be less of a niche for Paul, and if Paul did take enough votes from Obama we''d end up with Bush-on-steroids.
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by taddles-2009 January 10, 2008 11:57 AM PST
"They both raise expectations, and encourage complacency.

Posted by oleander8 at 11:44 AM : Jan 10, 2008"

Bravo! Well put.

The pundits and media with their no-brainer polls are a joke. Stop posting foolish pre-election polls, stop with the juvenile "sound-bite" mentality of reporting, start doing your job! Just the facts please!
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by taddles-2009 January 10, 2008 11:59 AM PST
"But a traitor to this country in trying to incite dissention in the military.

Posted by Hwy71So at 10:58 AM : Jan 10, 2008"

You''re an idiot. You''re still spouting that bull$hit "swiftboat" *** from ''04. Grow the f*&k up you pin-head.
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by Samjia January 10, 2008 12:08 PM PST
Great, now the news medias are working for the campaign hacks for Obama, who was polled that he would win are living in Iowa or Mars!!

People are not fooled by the " Change" word. Obama teamed up with Edwards to defeat Hillary, and they lost. So what has changed, its the gang mentality of men beating up on one single woman. What strength have they shown by this?

The old boy''s club is back and the fellas had to gang up on the one woman who represents leadership because they were too weak indivually to take her on.

Shows me how insecure they are. I don''t like Edwards, he kinda dragged his poor wife who was supposed to have cancer treatments along his campaign trail.

What was more important to him family values!! yeah right or his own political ambitions, he did not stop his campaign for one women ...his own wife...so how would he treat his opponent who happens to be a woman the same chauvaistic ..egotistical way.

Obama, has some shady real estate deals to explain, and he is sitting under Oprahs skirt, what a sissy.
He has a diploma with no experience, and now Kerry another loser is backing him. Hummm....that makes 2 losers. Hillary has the brains to run this country, not tweedle dumb and tweedle dee.

Edwards is accepting big bucks from his lawywers association and has had an affair, its in the news.

Kerry is a loser....so is Obama.
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by nottellin1 January 10, 2008 12:20 PM PST
Oh, you KNOW the media is trying to manipulate this country. They''''ve got to justify the unwholesome mentality of living they''''ve brainwashed Americans into living.


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Posted by Hwy71So at 07:46 AM : Jan 10, 2008

Yeah, and has anyone else noticed that so much of our news is no longer new? Lately, again and again I am hearing reports for the first time about something that happened 2 days earlier. Sup with that.
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by nottellin1 January 10, 2008 12:26 PM PST
I wonder if Ron Paul would consider an independent run if he does not get his party''''s nomination...Too bad he has not done well in Iowa and New Hampshire...but if by some miracle an independent won the presidential election then perhaps "DCHANGE" would be hammered into the two mainstream parties!


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Posted by ozilot at 11:40 AM : Jan 10, 2008

Let us hope that he doesn''t run independent, That would split the Republican vote and ensure another Clinton in office. Just like RP #1.
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by nottellin1 January 10, 2008 12:27 PM PST
Anyone knows the link to it? Let us see what kind of bull$hit they all are trying to feed us.




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Posted by nikosk1 at 11:54 AM : Jan 10, 2008

usa.gov
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by clovisbuford January 10, 2008 12:55 PM PST
"I don''''t like Edwards, he kinda dragged his poor wife who was supposed to have cancer treatments along his campaign trail." and "Edwards is accepting big bucks from his lawywers association and has had an affair, its in the news." You have obviously never heard elizabeth Edwards speak or hear her conviction on how she is gonna live her life. #2 You are supporting Clinton becaue of a rumor that Edwards has had an affair? I leave the logic of that one to you(ponders glass houses). As far as independents go ,if one runs it will probably be mayor bloomberg with Chuck Hagle as a running mate.I only know one thing at this point I won''t vote for any continuation of what has been a republican disaster .Corrupt government ala Abramoff, a doubled deficit in 8 years, the Katrina response, an elective war in Iraq, an overstretched military,a vanishing middle class, the rise of corporate power, the cost of health care, the number of unisured,etc. One should never trust the media blindly, they all have some inherent bias,some blatant, some by the nature of we are all human and marked by our personal experiences.

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by clovisbuford January 10, 2008 12:55 PM PST
"I don''''t like Edwards, he kinda dragged his poor wife who was supposed to have cancer treatments along his campaign trail." and "Edwards is accepting big bucks from his lawywers association and has had an affair, its in the news." You have obviously never heard elizabeth Edwards speak or hear her conviction on how she is gonna live her life. #2 You are supporting Clinton becaue of a rumor that Edwards has had an affair? I leave the logic of that one to you(ponders glass houses). As far as independents go ,if one runs it will probably be mayor bloomberg with Chuck Hagle as a running mate.I only know one thing at this point I won''t vote for any continuation of what has been a republican disaster .Corrupt government ala Abramoff, a doubled deficit in 8 years, the Katrina response, an elective war in Iraq, an overstretched military,a vanishing middle class, the rise of corporate power, the cost of health care, the number of unisured,etc. One should never trust the media blindly, they all have some inherent bias,some blatant, some by the nature of we are all human and marked by our personal experiences.

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by houser123 January 10, 2008 12:56 PM PST
I do hope that we do not get caught up in these ''BUZZ WORDS" this election cycle. ''Change'' what does that mean exactly. It means absolutely nothign without hard concrete statements say what they will change, in what direction the change is planned and how the change will occur. My money is on experience everytime. The new kids on the block can have the best ideas, but its the experienced people who know how to take those iedeas from only plans to reality. Hopefully I will be able to vote for Obama in 2016. This year it is for Clinton. Passioned, experience and capable of running our great nation.
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by hwy71so January 10, 2008 1:07 PM PST
Since 1981, Congressman Duncan Hunter has served on the House Armed Services Committee, as Chairman from 2002-06, and currently as the Ranking Minority Member. Hunter has championed a strong military, border security, and protecting America''''''''s workers and small businesses against unfair trade competition by opposing schemes like NAFTA and the North American Union. He understands that protecting jobs in U.S. defense, aircraft, ship repair, machine tools, textile, steel and titanium industries are essential for maintaining the surge capacity of the U.S. industrial base. Since 9-11-01, Hunter has led the fight to secure our borders against transnational terrorists and lawless elements; and to release two unjustly convicted border guards, Ramos and Campion.

Hunter earned the Combat Infantryman''''''''s Badge and Bronze Star in Vietnam and demands that the U.S. Government keep its promises to Veterans. His efforts to provide tax relief for working families, protect Social Security, and promote strong family values earned him 100% ratings from Eagle Forum, the American Conservative Union, the Concerned Women of America, the Christian Coalition, and the Campaign for Working Families; a 92% from the American Conservative Union; and an A+ from the NRA.

Vote for Duncan Hunter.
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by walt1944-2009 January 10, 2008 1:19 PM PST
The Great Emperor Bush II and all his neocon allies are happy to see that there are so many "anti-change" comments pouring in after the New Hampshire primary.

Because of these comments, the Great Emperor feels that everyone out there would rather have 8 more years of "STAY THE COURSE" from the neocon Fascist Republicans than from the evil, cowardly Whimpo-crats. Eight more years of "STAY THE COURSE" would achieve most of the Great Emperor''s and the Fascist GOP''s objectives of complete destruction of the middle class, a worthless currency resulting in run-away inflation, oceans of debt, continual war, a disintegrating infrastructure, and continued huge profits for businesses and unimagined wealth for the elite.

So, let us continue to STAY THE COURSE!!!!!!!!

SIG HEIL, BUSH!!!!
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by matter77 January 10, 2008 1:34 PM PST
God article - I totally agree. Many are now seeing that the change mantra is empty retoric. But there''s more, too.
What is the ''middle''? Is there such a thing. As you know, if you take a bunch of numbers and their average, none of them may equal the average.
So, is the middle, whatever that is, not satisfying to anyone?
Behold the rise of populism in America.
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by nottellin1 January 10, 2008 1:50 PM PST
Its all about Hillary trying to prove to herself that her "co-presidency" wasnt just a sham marriage to Bill (which it was).


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Posted by NameVerified at 01:23 PM : Jan 10, 2008

Let us not forget Hilary''s famous quote from 1993 "WE ARE THE PRESIDENT", voting for Hilary is a two for one deal. Like she''d ever let Bill say word one during ''her'' presidency. Yikes!!!
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by clestes-2009 January 10, 2008 2:00 PM PST
For God''s sake!! These political pundits spend too much time analyzing and have wrapped their brains into a ball of spagetti!!

How the hell can ANYONE know anything yet?? There have been 3, count them now, 3 states that have had caucus or a primary. That is not even 1% of the American public.

Idiots!! They make up nonsense about what they THINK we think and don''t comment at all on the FACTS of the voters.

There are only a couple of KNOWN FACTS at this point.

1. Turn out has been very high.

2. So far the rep race is wide open and the dem race is close.

That is it!
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by greeneyes222 January 10, 2008 2:05 PM PST
I agree, "change" is just the latest patent medicine, covers everything and cures nothing.

Now, why won''t your fellow media types ask some hard questions instead of pushing this stuff?
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by classicdoc January 10, 2008 2:21 PM PST
To Matter77: Yeah, you know, the middle can be a very satisfying place to be, until you find that the herd of cattle you''re centered in is going over a cliff. This country was founded on priciples of limited government and non-interventionist foreign policy, from which the political pack has strayed far. Strange how a presidential candidate like Ron Paul who says obey the Constitution and stay out of foreign entanglements can be painted as some sort of extremist or kook.
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by hologram5 January 10, 2008 2:56 PM PST
If people want change then vote for Ron Paul, he will change the presidency back to what it was and what it is supposed to be. States running their own show with minimal Federal involvement. What the constitution states. VOTE RON PAUL for peace and freedom!!
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by lindacohen7 January 10, 2008 3:27 PM PST
Obama,
Are you that desperate to ask John Kerry who has lost once before, to support you?
Oh %u2026.. Sorry doesn%u2019t work!

Is that kind of the president you wanna be? Keep making WRONG CHOICES!
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by realpatriot1 January 10, 2008 3:33 PM PST
The change mantra may be empty but it''s still the job of the candidates to fill the vacuum, not abandon it.

The media and the Washington political establishment is lashing out at the concept of change because they don''t want to change a thing. They lie when they say the people don''t want change-voters want change, special interests do not.

The candidate who best fills the vacuum between now and the election in November will win. It will be about change because staying the course is not an option.
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by cbs_oliver January 10, 2008 3:39 PM PST
My experience is that Meyer always claims to be in the middle - to be independent - to be pragmatic.

He likes to assign each story a three point narrative with two discredited extremes and a powerful middle where he claims to hang out.

But his middle is always aligned with McCain or Bloomberg or some other right leaning and sort of elitist personality.

He makes a good argument that binary world views and conservative versus progressive models are usually wrong. He could even argue that they are sometimes dangerous.

But just once, I would like to see Meyer get off the fence and show some committment to something.
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by cbs_oliver January 10, 2008 3:40 PM PST
Committment to something that he doesn''t claim is in the middle.
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by lawyertom1 January 10, 2008 4:07 PM PST
When will the commentary class stop with the ridiculous generalizations and rationalizations? Get a life, and maybe a little scientific rigor to your analysis. This is pathetic.
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by cfin5 January 10, 2008 5:33 PM PST
To Matter77: Yeah, you know, the middle can be a very satisfying place to be, until you find that the herd of cattle you''''re centered in is going over a cliff. This country was founded on priciples of limited government and non-interventionist foreign policy, from which the political pack has strayed far. Strange how a presidential candidate like Ron Paul who says obey the Constitution and stay out of foreign entanglements can be painted as some sort of extremist or kook.

Posted by ClassicDoc at 02:21 PM : Jan 10, 2008--------------I see Ron Paul as the only true "centrist" candidate. When someones public servitude behaves according to what the Constitution and Bill of Rights says and votes true to their constituency. I see nothing in a claim against that person as being some kind of crook, kook,...you name it. When our rights that we retain by these great documents are twisted by someones pet interpretation, this results in the rights being slowly confiscated. This very deed is in fact UNCONSTITUTIONAL!.......The 9th. Amendment says,.....The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.......Which of the candidates own voting record adheres to this rule?
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by pakaal January 10, 2008 6:45 PM PST
Right, it''s not change the voters want, it''s more of the same! That''s why after two terms of a Republican administration with a Republican Congress lock-stepping with them, we see results like this:

Total Votes New Hampshire
Clinton 110,550
Obama 102,883
McCain 86,802
Romney 73,806

Total votes Iowa
Obama 87,220
Edwards 72,980
Clinton 70,488
Huckabee 31,228

Sure, Democrat candidates are jumping ahead because America DOESN''T want change. Riiiiiight....
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by gretagreen January 10, 2008 7:44 PM PST
I like all the Democratic candidates. It''s going to be difficult to choose. I''m sorry Richardson dropped out and I sure do wish we''d see more of Edwards, but I really like Obama and think Hillary would do a good job. This is the best field of Dems we''ve had in years, and we need one of them badly. Sure hope we choose the right one.
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by starleo146 January 10, 2008 8:01 PM PST
We will see if John Edwards can take his home state, I do not believe he will, and if he does not, he needs to stop being a spoiler and get out of the race. If he wanted to do so much for the country, he is so passionate about as he says, why did he leave the senate after one term and start running for president. He is a good lawyer, but as a politician he is still wet behind the ears.
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by karutam January 10, 2008 8:04 PM PST
when we get another republican president, we will be asking ourselves "what went wrong?" Okay, so we made Hillary the nominee, knowing full well that she''s not electable. Many democrats will not even vote if she''s the nominee. As AC360 says, "what are they thinking?". Open your eyes now and use your head, and not your heart. Let''s not commit another folly. Hillary is NOT Bill, and never will be. She simply cannot be elected, so let''s not squander this opportunity.
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