Autism Cases Rise Despite Vaccine Change

Study: Calif. Autism Cases Continue To Increase Even After Removal Of Vaccine Preservative

(AP)  Autism cases in California continued to climb even after a mercury-based vaccine preservative that some people blame for the neurological disorder was removed from routine childhood shots, a new study found.

Researchers from the state Department of Public Health found the autism rate in children rose continuously during the 12-year study period from 1995 to 2007. The preservative thimerosal hasn't been used in childhood vaccines since 2001, but is used in some flu shots.

Doctors say the latest study adds to existing evidence refuting a link between thimerosal exposure and autism risk and should reassure parents that the disorder is not caused by vaccinations. If there was a risk, they said, autism rates should have dropped between 2004 and 2007.

The findings show "no evidence of mercury poisoning in autism" since there was no decline in autism rates even after the elimination of thimerosal, said Dr. Eric Fombonne, an autism researcher at Montreal Children's Hospital who had no role in the research.

Some advocacy groups blame thimerosal for the impaired social interaction typical of autism. Nearly 5,000 claims alleging a vaccine-autism link have been lodged with the federal government, which is deciding whether victims should receive compensation from a government fund.

Dr. Daniel Geschwind, a neurologist at the David Geffen School of Medicine at the University of California, Los Angeles, said the focus now should be on exploring the causes of autism such as possible genetic links.

"Something else must be at play and we need to know what that is if we're really serious about preventing autism," said Geschwind, who had no connection with the study.

For their study, California public health officials calculated the autism rate by analyzing a database of state-funded centers that care for people with autism and other developmental disorders.

They found the prevalence of autism in children aged 3 to 12 increased throughout the study period. For example, 0.3 per 1,000 children born in 1993 had autism at age 3 compared with 1.3 per 1,000 children born in 2003. Similar trends were found in other age groups.

"These time trends are inconsistent with the hypothesis that thimerosal exposure is a primary cause of autism in California," the researchers wrote.

Results were published in January's issue of the journal Archives of General Psychiatry. The study did not explore why there was an increase in autism cases.

Federal statistics show about one in 150 children in the United States have autism, higher than previous estimates. Researchers say it's unclear if the increase is due to changes in how the disorder is classified or whether it's an actual spike.

Autism is characterized by impaired social interaction and communication skills. There is no cure, but early therapy can lessen the severity.

[usayesterday]

We all know the onslaught of foods with ****-poor nutritional value are in every Americans'' daily lives, and that has clearly been linked to hundreds of health problems beyond just the typical heart disease.

But perhaps there should be more studies done on how the ****-poor foods are affecting the fetuses of pregnant mothers. When a hunger pang hits a pregnant mother... decades ago, someone had to cook the food themselves. Now, those hunger pangs are curbed by simply taking a trip to the nearest fast food joint (or microwavable garbage from the freezer).

If a discovery was made that links the autism rate (or other childhood disease) with the poor nutrition in foods eaten by the mothers-to-be, would that be the "wake-up call" that America needs to curb their appetite for that stuff?

[susanhelit]

Nice. And I''m sure all the people who bought into the hysteria, read the conspiracy theories and the unscientific studies and ignored science, doctors and all the facts will now learn their lesson? Or will they jump on the next scare tactic to come their way?

[gatogorra]

Thimerosal wasn''t removed from childhood vaccines by 2001, nor 2002, nor even-- by some accounts-- by the end of 2003. Pediatricians continued to use old stock of full-hg vaccines on infants. Furthermore, by the time most old stock had been reputedly used up, somewhere between the end of 2003 and the beginning of 2004, flu shot uptake for pregnant women had began in force and has now reached about 30%.
Most flu shots contain 25 micrograms of mercury-laced thimerosal which, to a newborn, means exposure in one day to an amount of ethylmercury roughly equivalent to the methylmercury in 1,400 cans of tuna. For a six month old receiving two split doses of the flu vaccine over a month%u2019s time, this is still a hell of a lot of mercury. The devastation of this amount of mercury would be most pronounced in children exposed prenatally, as the high rates of autism among the offspring of women receiving the old mercury-laced Rhogam shots attests.
Never mind the fact that pregnant women can be exposed to thimerosal from sources other than vaccines--such as injectable collagen--, since childhood vaccines in California were not mandated to be mercury-free until December, 2006, the issue of whether the removal of mercury has caused the autism numbers in California to go down will not be apparent until 2009/2010, because children under three are not included in the %u201CCalifornia count%u201D.

[aheadofcrowd]

Vaccine articles that are must reads! Educate yourself before you potentially harm your child.



http://www.newstarget.com/autism.html


http://www.newstarget.com/vaccines.html

[susanhelit]

Ah yes, I did forget one option - denial. Find a way to keep the paranoia going - too much to accept that you''ve risked your child''s death at the hands of preventable diseases because you bought into a conspiracy theory.

[fredlester1]

There was a recent study indicating a link between the age of the biological father and prevalence of autism. It seems to make more sense that this area should be looked at since the science is sound. It also seems to make sense since families are started later today than they were 30 years ago. I wish doctors would inform men and women of this risk when they decide to have children later in life.

[kennergirl]

I agree with USAyesterday with the fact that the diets of Americans really stink. I also would like to add that with all the problems with food products containing inferior or downright dangerous "extras". There''s no telling how many animals died last year from the pet food fiasco why couldn''t the same thing happen with food? Just because you don''t get physically ill doesn''t mean it won''t harm you.

How long has mercury been put in vaccines? Anybody know? I''d like to know if mercury has always been in vaccines are was that just started in the 60''s or 70''s?

[mythoughtsr]

A genetic link has already been found and was widely reported. I am pretty confident that most people don''t listen to these LOONS who post their hyped up, fake reports. Autism always has been genetic, always will be. It''s the same as a 90 year old smoker. They weren''t genetically prone to lung cancer. Yet you hear of 35 year old people dying of lung cancer who never smoked a day in their life? Hmmm, genetic!

Sure, people WANT to blame something like this but as the study PROVES, the mercury is OUT. My child never had a flu shot and I specifically ordered ALL thimerisol free vaccines just to prove my theory. Yup, she''s autistic and she''s never eaten 1400 cans of tuna. I wish these fanatics would give up this farce so the REAL research can truly begin and we can get to the cause and look for a cure. Even though Jenny McCarthy swears she''s found one doesn''t mean anyone should actually LISTEN to her.

[susanhelit]

One of the known causes of increased cases of autism should not be forgotten - the definition of autism keeps broadening, and there''s a financial incentive for schools to define children, even merely active and/or introverted children as autistic. This wasn''t even a diagnosis some decades ago, then it was a rare one most doctors didn''t know about, then it became popular, then it broadened out to ASD, which is such a broad definition a huge number of really normal children qualify under it as ASD ''autistic''.

When you see stats about larger and larger numbers of children, remember that.

[mythoughtsr]

Susan, although I understand the theory behind your guesswork, I also know for a fact that certain criteria for ASD contains the BASE criteria when diagnosing. My daughter may be higher functioning on the spectrum, but she is socially withdrawn, seriously rigid with behaviors and spins, walks on her tiptoes and has violent tempers at the simplest change. Most people who see her on a daily basis say, "she doesn''t LOOK Autistic". Although I believe there may be some children slipping through the diagnostic cracks (just like with MR, ADHD and other "popular" diagnoses du jour, I do not believe that the number are that inflated to warrant concern.

[chrzeerose]

The use of thimerosal began in the 1930s. It''s a mercury based preservative that is 49.9% mercury by weight. Any given childhood vaccine could contain as much as 25 micrograms of mercury each. This amount of mercury has been approved safe by the EPA if your a 550 pound man. It is still in most vaccines in "trace" amounts, but it''s low enough it dosen''t have to be mentioned in the ingredients. Thimerosal has NEVER been studied for saftey. No one knows the effects that the amounts injected into children have on their devoloping brains and immune systems. They claim to have removed it in 2000 but there was never a recall and the thimerosal containing shots were still given out in Dr offices because they didn''t expire until 2005. Children with autism all over the country are being found to have high levels of mercury and lead in their bodies and when they get it out, the child recovers.
.....But I''m sure the precious vaccines had nothing to do with the rise in autism cases. It''s just better diagnosis right?

[gatogorra]

Let''s just call the belief that there''s a gene for autism "eugenetics". There''s been no remarkable discovery of a gene for autism. There''s no gene for bipolar disorder, no gene for ADHD, no gene for schizophrenia. They''ve thrown billions of dollars in research grants and decades down the toilet (not to mention risking charges of fraud for brain scan scams, research tampering, etc.) trying to dig up something which could even stand in for genes for environmentally-induced conditions, to no avail.

Pharmacogenetics has major motives to fund research for and discover genetic underpinnings of conditions which effect cognitions and behavior which would justify continuing to peddle supposedly corresponding psychotropic drugs. If they can''t find the various genes before proof of environmental cause is eventually substantiated (whether from environmental toxins, parental toxic burden, from emotional environment or from the drugs themselves-- it doesn''t matter because proven preventability cuts into market niches), they stand to lose billions a year. Yet still, with all the incentives, nearly limitless resources and all that''s at risk, they can''t do it.

Anyone claiming that there''s been definitive genetic discoveries for these conditions, post the study citations and researchers.

[mennowoman]

One reason the occurance of autism might be going up is that the definition of autism keeps getting broader. Under the latest definition, children who were once considered shy would now be classified as autistic, and kids who don''t have a strong drive to join groups could be diagnosed as autistic, too.

I don''t believe that mercury is at the root of autism, but you need to compare apples to apples. If you look at kids with the same definition as was used 20 years ago, is there an increase in autism in the US? Or is there a decrease now that mercury has been banned? The flimsy stats quoted in this article can''t tell us much.

[lucasnico]

Susan.....you said, "and there''''s a financial incentive for schools to define children, even merely active and/or introverted children as autistic."

You could not be more wrong. In the state of California, public schools get paid by how many butts are in classroom seats at the beginning of each school day. Many autistic students are taken out of public school for part if not the entire day for home tutoring....that means less money for schools, Susan. Plus, the schools are NOT the ones providing the analysis for these children.
I once had a public school special education teacher tell me that if she could spend 15 minutes with my autistic son, she could fix him. I didn''t know whether to laugh or hit her.

[susanhelit]

Nope, there is a financial incentive. School districts get money for each autistic or ASD student they have. And ASD is a pretty easy diagnosis to use - it''s so broad as to be near meaningless. So, a slightly figity student becomes ADHD, an introvert is ASD and thus ''autistic'' (at least when it comes to funding and to making autism seem like a huge problem), and for each of these children, the school gets more money.

Now, for a truely autistic child - there are costs - but it''s easy to classify all kinds of children as ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorders) and get money. But - that makes an apparent growing number of autistic kids to freak out parents.

[aheadofcrowd]

Vaccine articles that are must reads! Educate yourself before you potentially harm your child.



http://www.newstarget.com/autism.html


http://www.newstarget.com/vaccines.html

[lucasnico]

Susan....you miss the point. If a public school cannot meet the educational needs of an autistic student, they don''t get credit for that student.... therefore no money. And it is NEVER the school who provides the diagnosis. They aren''t professionally qualified. They can suggest, but they cannot diagnose. Again, you show your ignorance....then again, you are BIG PHARM SUE!!
And tell any parent with a child challenged by ASD that it''s meaningless......dumba$$!

[susanhelit]

No - the school can''t diagnose - they can just suggest and push. And ASD may be meaningless - but it''s the label used to say there is a huge increase in autism, with the small print showing they''re talking all ASD, not just autism.

ASD is so loose it is meaningless. It could be a child challenged by Aspergers of a severe degree, or it could be a child who is merely slightly introverted.

Nice namecalling - obviously meaning you have no actual point, no actual data? Here''s a nice article showing how the doctors, medical establishment, independent and FDA studies from the last 20 years have been absolutely right - there is no link between vaccines and autism - and that doesn''t matter, if you can think of a nickname for me? Funny.

[lucasnico]

You continually trivialize kids who need help....shame on you. And your nickname....didn''t give it to you. It''s been used on this board time and time again, and it fits. You can find article after article for either side. But, until you''ve walked a mile in a parent''s shoes who has a child with autism....sat in a doctor''s office....pleaded with schools for IEPs.....all while watching your child being tossed around by this system that refuses to even consider, despite considerable amounts of data.....much of it documented repeatedly...that there is no good reason for mercury in vaccines and a very real possibility that in some kids it triggers autism....then shut the hell up!

[lucasnico]

Here''s more for you, big Pharm Sue.... the article states, "during the 12-year study period from 1995 to 2007. The preservative thimerosal hasn''t been used in childhood vaccines since 2001, but is used in some flu shots."

Why didn''t they use the years 2001 on?? If thimerosal wasn''t taken out until 2001 (with a six month shelf life, meaning those were still available and used in half of 2002), why didn''t they look at just those years?? Because the number of cases dropped, that''s why.

[kennergirl]

My son was diagnosed last year with PDD-NOS which is an autism spectrum disorder. We learned this after the school was having trouble with him getting along with other kids his age and saying improper things. After two days of testing and months of waiting he was "diagnosed" with ADHD and PDD-NOS. Everyone has or wants a reason for why a child has whatever disorder they have. Maybe blaming it on something would make it easier to accept. My husband had a hard time accepting it so I know how it feels to know that your child might not be quite right. As for this being caused by a vaccine I''m not 100 percent sold on that. There are so many things that were developed within the last fifty years probably more things than any other time in the history of mankind. There''s no telling what we''ve been exposed to. X-ray therapy for a skin rash my mom had as a child(luckily this was a treatment grandma passed on).

Other countries have banned thimerosal for longer periods than the US but still have increased Autism diagnosis. In Denmark they have banned it in vaccines 10 years longer than here so they should have experienced some wane in the amount of autistic children but they haven''t if fact they have had an increase. Whats up with that? That''s why I''m not 100 percent sold on it being vaccines and not something else.

[antizion]

But... Autism is completely erased when parents do not vaccinate their children. I didn''t even have to read this garbage story to tell you they would have left that inconvenient truth out of the story.

[antizion]

Nice....


Here''''s more for you, big Pharm Sue.... the article states, "during the 12-year study period from 1995 to 2007. The preservative thimerosal hasn''''t been used in childhood vaccines since 2001, but is used in some flu shots."

Why didn''''t they use the years 2001 on?? If thimerosal wasn''''t taken out until 2001 (with a six month shelf life, meaning those were still available and used in half of 2002), why didn''''t they look at just those years?? Because the number of cases dropped, that''''s why.

Posted by lucasnico

[mythoughtsr]

AntiZion that is the worst put bunch of made up stuff I''ve ever heard. Autism diagnoses are on the rise because doctors are more and more educated on what to look for number one and MANY unvaccinated children are showing up with ASD. People are SO DESPERATE to hang on to this false vaccine theory. If it wasn''t so serious it''s almost comical, but instead, it''s quite pitiful. Wake up people! Give up your thimerisol theory, it''s debunked and the stuff of urban legends.

[mythoughtsr]

Gatogorra, here''s your GENETIC STUDY for Autism. It''s called common sense, SCIENCE and for the millions of us who KNOW it''s not caused by an additive that NO LONGER EXISTS...PROOF. It is a five year study and NAMES THE GENES INVOLVED. You people need to give this up, you are making fools out of yourselves. There is plenty of proof in the brain, documented proof over and over about the changes in the brain. Look at the MRI studies. You are SO WRONG.

http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSN1623067120070219

[drinuk]

On each and every occasion controversy regarding Big Pharma emerges on these pages Susan Helit sticks her head above the battlements. He/She is part and parcel of the Big Pharma scam, paid to scan these and other pages misinforming the public. Simply ignore her comments as being part of a well oiled lobby machine whose only interests is Big Pharma stockholders and thinning out the population. They are scum and will pay very dearly come the day of reckoning.

[drinuk]

You can include "Mythoughtsr" to my comments too.

As for the various Phd''s denying Big Pharma links to many serious health problems, simply check on their stockholdings and sponsorships. Most of ''em are on the take!

[mythoughtsr]

drinuk, THANK YOU. I get so incensed about this topic. Having more than one child with Autism and specifically paying high dollar for fresh, thimerisol free vaccines to prove my *** point, I get very angry that these vaccine "conspiracy theorists" keep going at it. It''s like beating a dead horse over and over. Sure, big pharm companies yeah, they are going to fund studies and those who swear it''s the mercury are going to fund studies. However, more and more it''s emerging with stark and glowering proof that there are NO connections with the mercury whatsoever.

I will NEVER say that genetics are the ONLY cause for it because I cannot prove that. I will say though that those who used the incorrect mercury angle need to let it go. Science is making fools out of people. It''s like saying that going outside with your hair wet is going to give you a cold.

The vaccine theorists need to start thinking outside their impermeable box.

[annabellee2]

A lot of parents are simply angry their child has this and they must blame someone. If you really want to help your child, start focusing on treatment and STOP focusing on causes. However, let''s be logical. You want to find a cause? There IS proof, hard evidence, showing (from other countries so there goes your "big pharm" conspiracy theory)that there are 5 specific genes that cause autism when they mutate. They also have found significant brain differences in infants at birth (by studying families carrying these genes). AT BIRTH!! Did you give them a vaccine in utero? They have far more white matter, less myelin covering, an underdeveloped cerebellum and amygdala, as well as other brain differences.
You need to accept that your child is autistic because of something they were BORN with. You want further proof? I have Aspergers. I have 5 children. 3 of them are on the spectrum. That is NOT coincidence and certainly not vaccines. I was not blind. I saw my children were different from very early on. The shots that you claim caused this? Infant shots do not have thimerisol. The MMR shot does, but that isn''t given until after age 2. You want more proof? Japan stopped ALL vaccines from 1990 to 2000 due to concerns. Their autism cases? Rose significantly in that time. Use your logic. It was one crazy researcher who did flawed research that claimed a connection in the 1930''s. He''s been disproven and has actually rescinded his project as flawed. When are you going to accept the truth?

[pcal5]

We had an autistic child many years back and disagree with all the standard understandings of its causes because the onset of the symptoms in our daughter were so obvious. I am PhD, biophysics, not a psychologist or a medical, but a scientist with enough of a brain not to have missed the cause and effect nature of what happened to our daughter. Very simply, she was beaten at age three up during visitation by my wife''s ex-husband and his relatives during a bitter divorce proceeding. And rather instantly had all the symptoms of autism, social withdrawal, generalized mistrust, mean behavior and she stopped talking for three years. I would guess that most autism derives from parents bashing their own kids terminally which is why nobody "knows" the reason for it. In our case, we "obeyed" her and pampered her as part cure and the rest was done by nature after she started having kids of her own, this cure evident in photos of her & kids on matrix-evolutions DOT com.

[excoachken]

My own, unscientific, observation of autistic children, is that they all seem to have had to deal with at least one event in their early life that was so emotionally draining that it was necessary for them to "adopt" a safer place for their personality. I would like to see more done in research via interviewing third parties, about their observations of family stress within the household of the child.

[pcal5]

This is the same biophysicist talking. Autism is caused, from our sense of what happened, by sudden traumatic fear on a youngster. The connection with vaccines is quite possibly, the pain and treatment by American doctors in the injections. Having worked in hospitals in my younger days, we would never allow kids or grandkids to be vaccinated, no big deal. The other source of such traumatic fear has to parents frightening their own kids, on the rise in America, as is aggression in general, the schoolyard mass murders deriving basically from the same etiology, emotionally stressed parents from work, etc., treating their own kids poorly. And as said earlier, nobody can mention this "social causes" as causes because it runs up against ideology and the American Dream joke.

[mythoughtsr]

pcal5, people like you realllllly scare me. Your child did not get autism from being beat up. As sick and terrifying as that must have been, my gosh, to believe that. Wow, for once, I''m speechless.

annabellee2, your clarity and your educated analysis is REFRESHING and WELCOME! Thank you for posting so logically!

[searingtruth]

Unfortunately Dictator Bush has declared that all reports from all public agencies be "approved" (which of course means modified) by representatives of his fascist government before release.

You know, to protect national security, wink wink, not fascism and their love of profit over human life.

So unfortunately Bush has never allowed the release of any actual "unprocessed" "scientific data", for anything, since he assumed power.

So I wish you the best of luck, and can only offer this advice.

If I were concerned about my child the first thing I would do is demand the impeachment of Bush, if for no other reason than to get to the actual research results, if they haven''t already been destroyed. But I must admit, they most likely have been.

So then you would simply be requesting his impeachment of behalf of your nation, and the uncounted crimes he has committed against it.

Either way, you, and your country, win.
ST


It''s not "You have nothing to fear unless you''re doing something wrong."
It''s "You have nothing to fear unless the government is doing something wrong."
SearingTruth

A Future of the Brave - www.searingtruth.com

[pcal5]

To exCoachKen: You are certainly correct. But to change things, you havew to ask what the cause of the child''s trauma is, from whom, and why? Most broadly understood, autism is a marker for our decaying American society, a good part of which derives from unhappy parents taking our their unhappiness on vulnerable young children, the only cure for which, going back to the most basic cause, is a good revolution.

[pcal5]

To MyThoughtsr: Stupid people who rationalize life and don''t understand cause and effect just make life worse for their children. What I am saying is that I OBSERVED clear symptoms of autism. by the book, suddenly come on, as the result of an OBSERVABLE cause. I am also telling you that the reason the "disease" is such a mystery is because the real causes are not ideologically allowed to be spoken: a.) parents who go to church on Sunday and are "good" peple corporally beating up their kids and b.) a decadent American society that makes the bizbrained parents miserable enough and cranky enough to do that to their kids to begin with. More on matrix-evolutions.com. Easy to read and understand than these sound bites.

[excoachken]

To nfynvk74769: Thanks for the info on diathesis... I will investigate.

[pollroller1]

I''m no doctor, but it seems to me that there may be any number of things that could cause autism. Did the mother drink or smoke while pregnant? What kind of medications did she take? How about drugs? And then there''s the genetic aspect.

[pcal5]

A behavioral cause for a behavioral disease is not speculation, but entirely sensible. The problem is that parents who may batter their children, more or less accidently, have a heavy load of guilt to carry, so heavy, it is also common sense that another cause is looked for and readily accepted. The real problem is the stress put on people in their lives tht causes them to effectly destroy their own kids to begin with. matrix-evolutions.com

[dogsoul]

Boy, what idiots on this board... and the lug nut who is blaming BUSH for THIS too??? My God, there''s not an issue OUT there liberals won''t try to pin on Bush - the man, they seem to think can summon hurricanes to attack black people & cause autism in children,...

[allunknowing]

CURE FOR AUTISM:

Remove your fatass from the couch and get some exercise. Exercise makes your brain function better. After you are no longer a lazy, worthless, type-II claiming diabetic, then you may procreate.


It''s not the food that makes you fat, it''s the mind of the body the food goes into that makes you fat. Stop living in a nanny-state where you think you can pawn your blame on someone other than your self for all of YOUR problems.

[pcal5]

If stress causes autism, and all agree that it does, at least to some extent, then whaty causes sress? Certainly social conditions, specifically work conditions and the governmental underpinnings that affect work conditions. Hence it is hardly absurd to blame emotional problems like autism, divorce, mass murder and the like on the people who determine what society will be like. And if not Bush, specifically, the people who make the rules generally.

[pollroller1]

I don''t care much for Bush, but to say he is the cause of autism, is kinda over the top don''t you think?

[pcal5]

Indeed there''s a study out today that clearly links heart attacks and anxiety/stress. Fear kills you one way or the other. And who are we afraid of, most terrified of, other than our boss''s at work and losing our jobs. They make it that way for getting maximal production out of us. And you are telling me that this stress does not affect the way that parents deal with their kids? And that this stress is no part of the "stress" that is a factor in autism? Logic. Use your heads and not your hearts in the argument.

[pollroller1]

pcal5 I agree with what you are saying about stress, but to blame the President? Come on.

[maurine91]

We continue to hear that the thimerosal/autism theory is resolved. How many more lies are we going to hear about this nonsense as the government, CDC, pharmaceutical companies continue to put out false information? First, as your report stated this morning-thimerosal was not out of vaccines in 2001. In 1999 -only a recommendation was made for its removal. It took years and was still in many vaccines through 2005(even vials sitting on shelves good until 2006 existed and were used in doctor''s offices.) If cases went up in Calif.---the flu vaccine (90% of them) has 25 micrograms of thimerosal and is recommended for pregnant women and babies. In utero---injected with meercury-devastating to the developing fetus. STOP believing these false reports put out by our government and stop protecting those responsible for poisoning our children. The media, journalism has turned into a mouth piece for big money in this country.

[pcal5]

To pollrollert: Am not blaming Bush for autism. Am blaming our selfish greedy society for stress which is a major factor in autism, a society which Bush and company have played a major role in shaping over the last ten years in which autism and other stress related condistions have increased.

[pollroller1]

Well pccal5 when you put it that way, I can see where you are coming from.

[aheadofcrowd]

Vaccine articles that are must reads! Educate yourself before you potentially harm your child.



http://www.newstarget.com/autism.html


http://www.newstarget.com/vaccines.html

[susieq_13]

I agree with aheadofcrowd...vaccines are not always a good thing in my opinion. My 16 yr old daughter has the mind of a one month old baby due to her very first set of immunizations.